Re: Opera is faster, but...
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: Firefox in Windows is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox in Debian and Ubuntu. Firefox in Windows is faster than Swiftfox in Debian/Ubuntu. Firefox in Zenwalk is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian.(may be it is because of Zenwalk's low mem usage). Opera in Debian is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian. Opera in Windows is fastest! *Why?* Please clarify! I doubt that the reasons can be given unless they are very obvious. This whole question of faster depends so much on feelings and specific applications/sites. I know opera in Debian is faster on my two-seater than iceweasel. But that is when it reads my wordpress blog. But in most other sites the advertisements get in the way and then it is slower again. Have you considered setting up squid and adzapper for your network? No matter how small, it's hard to not get some improvement from squid, especially when using adzapper. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 07:20:10AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I know opera in Debian is faster on my two-seater than iceweasel. But that is when it reads my wordpress blog. But in most other sites the advertisements get in the way and then it is slower again. So for me it might just be faster regarldess since I go through a Squid proxy with ad/popup blocker? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Opera is faster, but...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 tejas yazmış: Firefox in Windows is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox in Debian and Ubuntu. Firefox in Windows is faster than Swiftfox in Debian/Ubuntu. Firefox in Zenwalk is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian.(may be it is because of Zenwalk's low mem usage). Opera in Debian is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian. Opera in Windows is fastest! *Why?* Please clarify! Is it related with Qt vs. Gtk vs. win32something? Or is it related with special optimizations? Today, I have tried Iceweasel with XFCE, and it was faster than Iceweasel in GNOME. Mert -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBRpfL43Cg+7fCe3L1AQJvpggA5vfe5rxrbgQfGnIDHzVq2HEKvD0CWYjS RGfn8WJQUilWWjqnD86+UcdO7UT8NeeocKaRjiYo3bZzn0AgANkAsWq9GtdUStr4 XaCVDTQrQQMzhV0zk+CVK6mv7qS9SVlQbyorkbQ6pz2KYYjfhUs34KP6W49givjb GdZ3AK2J6+53p20PWECIqTVxxSiRrFNw+QfSbUScONHMx1YXTdTOovGD9Bt0KqZK EyObBwttUna13QvLh+xI9Q5osex3dzXyujLo3pykt+6oJ+YrUBr3Cdm6CKe8Vvmb GlBc8WxuYwJzMzXUAkL3C0Hx10s2mslDW3VXJnff9V6Y0OTRO6Y8hQ== =d1Pb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tejas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firefox in Windows is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox in Debian and Ubuntu. Firefox in Windows is faster than Swiftfox in Debian/Ubuntu. Firefox in Zenwalk is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian.(may be it is because of Zenwalk's low mem usage). Opera in Debian is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian. Opera in Windows is fastest! *Why?* Please clarify! I doubt that the reasons can be given unless they are very obvious. This whole question of faster depends so much on feelings and specific applications/sites. I know opera in Debian is faster on my two-seater than iceweasel. But that is when it reads my wordpress blog. But in most other sites the advertisements get in the way and then it is slower again. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: tejas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firefox in Windows is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox in Debian and Ubuntu. Firefox in Windows is faster than Swiftfox in Debian/Ubuntu. Firefox in Zenwalk is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian.(may be it is because of Zenwalk's low mem usage). Opera in Debian is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian. Opera in Windows is fastest! *Why?* Please clarify! I doubt that the reasons can be given unless they are very obvious. This whole question of faster depends so much on feelings and specific applications/sites. I know opera in Debian is faster on my two-seater than iceweasel. But that is when it reads my wordpress blog. But in most other sites the advertisements get in the way and then it is slower again. Hugo I think it is a common complaint that FF in linux starts up slower than in windows. Took me awhile to get used to it. Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:20:10 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know opera in Debian is faster on my two-seater than iceweasel. But that is when it reads my wordpress blog. But in most other sites the advertisements get in the way and then it is slower again. Then block the adverts using Block Content in Opera (right-click on the page, etc). You can use some simple regular expressions in the Block Content configuration to remove some usual suspects, too. I hardly see any ads when using Opera. Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: tejas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firefox in Windows is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox in Debian and Ubuntu. Firefox in Windows is faster than Swiftfox in Debian/Ubuntu. Firefox in Zenwalk is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian.(may be it is because of Zenwalk's low mem usage). Opera in Debian is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian. Opera in Windows is fastest! *Why?* Please clarify! I doubt that the reasons can be given unless they are very obvious. This whole question of faster depends so much on feelings and specific applications/sites. I know opera in Debian is faster on my two-seater than iceweasel. But that is when it reads my wordpress blog. But in most other sites the advertisements get in the way and then it is slower again. E.g. with a stopwatch: reloading my blog page (displays all posts) in Opera takes 4 secs. In iceweasel takes 12 secs. All the time. That is not a very scientific test but that is the reason I say it's faster. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sam Leon yazmış: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: tejas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firefox in Windows is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox in Debian and Ubuntu. Firefox in Windows is faster than Swiftfox in Debian/Ubuntu. Firefox in Zenwalk is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian.(may be it is because of Zenwalk's low mem usage). Opera in Debian is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian. Opera in Windows is fastest! *Why?* Please clarify! I doubt that the reasons can be given unless they are very obvious. This whole question of faster depends so much on feelings and specific applications/sites. I know opera in Debian is faster on my two-seater than iceweasel. But that is when it reads my wordpress blog. But in most other sites the advertisements get in the way and then it is slower again. Hugo It's not about page's render time. Menus, scrolling, start up, and even closing. Evertythin is slow. I think it is a common complaint that FF in linux starts up slower than in windows. Took me awhile to get used to it. Sam Believe me, it's not only startup. It eats a lot of cpu while using it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBRpTtNXCg+7fCe3L1AQLnNwf+IDKydynBPk+TGkIu7yWXVBYEn+4LzfXx q6InRyrLD4+TbsfEJ/g8XLyE/YQa8WmXhvqxPzaGbPwVUyLbtKrXIWM8+TtiZl3i rW+wfrHMzV/iDOJhWdg89E/HaYyCwGHeEkGb5aa89PEHKxsa3z0rDxrhmrvGsEc0 81wnd5p46C0ZCQuQoCJ5Dcmq2LULgHQB3uh7+VsmrmPZq5wUOXTeF0oHfZFCVD9I FRv4JhdxYhPLx8cJicvDrZnzGIyTj7VGWpU4vkHefJzp1BkUKaV1wyHLw7hXRrx0 BjnxqEicBQHEwns/a3DV139BdXBZPh1MvQJRJZ43K/S87Vm7ybiDQg== =/foO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opera is faster, but...
tejas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sam Leon yazmış: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: tejas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firefox in Windows is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox in Debian and Ubuntu. Firefox in Windows is faster than Swiftfox in Debian/Ubuntu. Firefox in Zenwalk is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian.(may be it is because of Zenwalk's low mem usage). Opera in Debian is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian. Opera in Windows is fastest! *Why?* Please clarify! I doubt that the reasons can be given unless they are very obvious. This whole question of faster depends so much on feelings and specific applications/sites. I know opera in Debian is faster on my two-seater than iceweasel. But that is when it reads my wordpress blog. But in most other sites the advertisements get in the way and then it is slower again. Hugo It's not about page's render time. Menus, scrolling, start up, and even closing. Evertythin is slow. I think it is a common complaint that FF in linux starts up slower than in windows. Took me awhile to get used to it. Sam Believe me, it's not only startup. It eats a lot of cpu while using it. Yea I know. Sam
Re: Opera is faster, but...
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. You mean being a proprietary alternative to something well-represented by free software didn't make it a nonstarter? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. You mean being a proprietary alternative to something well-represented by free software didn't make it a nonstarter? See, you got me again ;-) *I meant to say* that being a proprietary alternative to something well-represented by free software makes it a nonstarter. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firefox in Windows is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox in Debian and Ubuntu. Firefox in Windows is faster than Swiftfox in Debian/Ubuntu. Firefox in Zenwalk is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian.(may be it is because of Zenwalk's low mem usage). Opera in Debian is faster than Iceweasel/Firefox/Swiftfox in Debian. Opera in Windows is fastest! *Why?* Please clarify! Is it related with Qt vs. Gtk vs. win32something? Or is it related with special optimizations? Hugo Vanwoerkom yazmış: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBRpOVKnCg+7fCe3L1AQJWsAgA4ijrKJqujsyV6xa/YrHH6wB6pD8rOWdS 8eg7PDPtq3h1L5yi3AAWYLmu/6+b55hWga29IanMi5Ui3nQfTjzwWodUQaXx9Ngb 8D2om9Dac2EZB8MFsmtKzhYhUvqPxs0s6ysb+klHWqfq6TsAh2QUZ73oJlDTZq/4 52sq2rvBHgROJRrtKdH9wmkEC3vz15IkvuQ5JNHw4d373X0v7Fm+Uz1ryC8zLGwu TR1SdXVpS2jRTFcNN5iUQb4ylRQgAEFlQeus4YJzj2zIXyBSaYjXwNo/x+7NKjRD 58wPFfDtrz+YHtrpoPxhLnyO6Fs/6vcr8ztEndUi23pODfXxOBpgvA== =c6sY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opera is faster, but...
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:39:41 + steef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo no no no. seamonkey is the fastest. steef yeah, s.e.a.m.o.n.k.e.y it's the fastest/eficient of the Graphical browsers today. Ore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opera is faster, but...#
Why are you so anti-tabs? I find tab browsing to be a lot faster and easier to switch between tabs then trying to open multiple windows/instances. Perhaps his window manager handles tabs for him. It can then be confusing to be faced with three paradigms: which window, then which tab in that window, then which tab in that browser. I wrote a plugin for epiphany to disable tabs for that very reason: http://alcopop.org/code/epiphany/ -- Jon Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tuesday 10 July 2007 1:58 pm, Jon Dowland wrote: Why are you so anti-tabs? I find tab browsing to be a lot faster and easier to switch between tabs then trying to open multiple windows/instances. Perhaps his window manager handles tabs for him. It can then be confusing to be faced with three paradigms: which window, then which tab in that window, then which tab in that browser. I wrote a plugin for epiphany to disable tabs for that very reason: http://alcopop.org/code/epiphany/ -- Jon Dowland Epiphany can use plugins? News to me. /me investigates Dowland's code. -- Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: GA, USA Web: http://matthewpoer.freehostia.com GnuPG Public Key: 4DD0A9A6 Keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net pgpsG02Bby5fK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Opera is faster, but...
Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 09 July 2007 1:06 pm, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo Are you *begging* for a flame war? I have always thought that FireFox was faster than Opera. Did you use safe mode (no extensions)? -- Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: GA, USA Web: http://matthewpoer.freehostia.com GnuPG Public Key: 4DD0A9A6 Keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net pgpDqXTtRGZKl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Opera is faster, but...
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:05:11 -0400 Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 09 July 2007 1:06 pm, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo Are you *begging* for a flame war? I have always thought that FireFox was faster than Opera. Did you use safe mode (no extensions)? What? Seamonkey it's the fastest. Best, Orestes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:17:45 -0700, Orestes leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:05:11 -0400 Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 09 July 2007 1:06 pm, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo Are you *begging* for a flame war? I have always thought that FireFox was faster than Opera. Did you use safe mode (no extensions)? What? Seamonkey it's the fastest. None faster than elinks. ;-) -- Octavio. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opera is faster, but...
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:19:12AM -0700, Octavio Alvarez wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:17:45 -0700, Orestes leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:05:11 -0400 Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 09 July 2007 1:06 pm, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo Are you *begging* for a flame war? I have always thought that FireFox was faster than Opera. Did you use safe mode (no extensions)? What? Seamonkey it's the fastest. None faster than elinks. ;-) Hah. I *real* geek could mentally render the raw HTML faster. :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Opera is faster, but...
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 12:06:35 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Privoxy does a decent job of filtering ads, web bugs and other nasty things. I have the impression that it is not quite as efficient in blocking ads as the combination of adblock and filterset.G, but privoxy is certainly much better than nothing and it works with any browser. (It is just a PRIVacy enhancing prOXY that you can run locally on your desktop computer.) -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 01:32:04PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:19:12AM -0700, Octavio Alvarez wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:17:45 -0700, Orestes leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:05:11 -0400 Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 09 July 2007 1:06 pm, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo Are you *begging* for a flame war? I have always thought that FireFox was faster than Opera. Did you use safe mode (no extensions)? What? Seamonkey it's the fastest. None faster than elinks. ;-) Hah. I *real* geek could mentally render the raw HTML faster. what is the browser thing of which you speak? there is something other than telnet www.google.com 80 ?? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Opera is faster, but...
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo I really want to use opera but I can't because it seems to force you to use tabs _ Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 09 July 2007 3:14 pm, Sam Leon wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo I really want to use opera but I can't because it seems to force you to use tabs _ Sam Alright, although I cannot imagine why in the world you would not want tabs... In Opera's menu bar, click under Tools and select Preferences. Click on the Advanced tab. Near the bottom of the Tabs section there is a setting called Open windows instead of tabs. That's Opera 9.21, at least. -- Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Location: GA, USA Web: http://matthewpoer.freehostia.com GnuPG Public Key: 4DD0A9A6 Keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net pgp2KGGnVEdSH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Opera is faster, but...
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:19:12 -0700 Octavio Alvarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:17:45 -0700, Orestes leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:05:11 -0400 Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 09 July 2007 1:06 pm, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo Are you *begging* for a flame war? I have always thought that FireFox was faster than Opera. Did you use safe mode (no extensions)? What? Seamonkey it's the fastest. None faster than elinks. ;-) Is elinks faster than links and links2 (serious question, I don't have any idea) ? Octavio. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:26:32 +0200 Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 12:06:35 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Privoxy does a decent job of filtering ads, web bugs and other nasty things. I have the impression that it is not quite as efficient in blocking ads as the combination of adblock and filterset.G, but privoxy is certainly much better than nothing and it works with any browser. (It is just a PRIVacy enhancing prOXY that you can run locally on your desktop computer.) We discuss this every now and then (I use privoxy), but is there any convenient way to easily add stuff that privoxy misses to its config files? Also, the default Debian privoxy runs once as root; adblock can obviously be configured on a per-user basis. Of course, I suppose one could run multiple privoxies, on different ports, for different users ... Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 03:25:40PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
[...]
We discuss this every now and then (I use privoxy), but is there any
convenient way to easily add stuff that privoxy misses to its config
files? Also, the default Debian privoxy runs once as root; adblock can
obviously be configured on a per-user basis. Of course, I suppose one
could run multiple privoxies, on different ports, for different
users ...
I've never seen a good reason for per-user ad blocking. If it's an ad, I
want it blocked and I'm not clear on why anyone wouldn't. On the rare
occasions when there is a false positive, privoxy has a link right in its
block page for go there anyway. If it's a false negative, it should be
added, of course.
As for adding stuff easily, I have an /etc/privoxy/adblock.action file
separate from any other action files (and referenced in /etc/privoxy/config).
It's very simple:
{+block }
.247realmedia.com
.2o7.net
.adbrite.com
.adbureau.net
[ 90 more lines ]
/(.*/)?adv/.*
/(.*/)?ads/
/(.*/)?adx/.*
When I run across a new ad server, I edit the file (sudoedit, actually,
though I don't think there is any reason it couldn't be user-owned) and add
another domain or pattern. I don't even have to restart privoxy, since it
is smart enough to reread changed config files.
Celejar
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Re: Opera is faster, but...
Matthew K Poer wrote: On Monday 09 July 2007 3:14 pm, Sam Leon wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo I really want to use opera but I can't because it seems to force you to use tabs _ Sam Alright, although I cannot imagine why in the world you would not want tabs... In Opera's menu bar, click under Tools and select Preferences. Click on the Advanced tab. Near the bottom of the Tabs section there is a setting called Open windows instead of tabs. That's Opera 9.21, at least. Yes played with that. It would open in a new window but if you clicked the home button on that new window it would go to a blank page. The other thing that drove me up the wall with opera was the fact that I can't have more than one instance up. I guess they just want you to use one page and fill it up with a whole bunch of tabs?? Sam
Re: Opera is faster, but...
Octavio Alvarez wrote: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:17:45 -0700, Orestes leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:05:11 -0400 Matthew K Poer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 09 July 2007 1:06 pm, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo Are you *begging* for a flame war? I have always thought that FireFox was faster than Opera. Did you use safe mode (no extensions)? What? Seamonkey it's the fastest. None faster than elinks. ;-) IE6.0 :p -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opera is faster, but...
On Jul 9, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Sam Leon wrote: Matthew K Poer wrote:On Monday 09 July 2007 3:14 pm, Sam Leon wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo I really want to use opera but I can't because it seems to force you to use tabs _ Sam Alright, although I cannot imagine why in the world you would not want tabs... In Opera's menu bar, click under Tools and select Preferences. Click on the Advanced tab. Near the bottom of the Tabs section there is a setting called Open windows instead of tabs. That's Opera 9.21, at least. Yes played with that. It would open in a new window but if you clicked the home button on that new window it would go to a blank page. The other thing that drove me up the wall with opera was the fact that I can't have more than one instance up. I guess they just want you to use one page and fill it up with a whole bunch of tabs?? Sam Why are you so anti-tabs? I find tab browsing to be a lot faster and easier to switch between tabs then trying to open multiple windows/instances.
Re: Opera is faster, but...
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:45:06 -0400
Gregory Seidman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 03:25:40PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
[...]
We discuss this every now and then (I use privoxy), but is there any
convenient way to easily add stuff that privoxy misses to its config
files? Also, the default Debian privoxy runs once as root; adblock can
obviously be configured on a per-user basis. Of course, I suppose one
could run multiple privoxies, on different ports, for different
users ...
I've never seen a good reason for per-user ad blocking. If it's an ad, I
want it blocked and I'm not clear on why anyone wouldn't. On the rare
occasions when there is a false positive, privoxy has a link right in its
block page for go there anyway. If it's a false negative, it should be
added, of course.
I suppose you're right, but in principle, browsing control should be
available to normal users. I'm also not sure whether you're really
right that no user will ever want to see any ad. As for the 'go there
anyway' links, I notice them when an entire page is blocked, but not
always when individual images are, especially small ones. Am I missing
something?
As for adding stuff easily, I have an /etc/privoxy/adblock.action file
separate from any other action files (and referenced in /etc/privoxy/config).
It's very simple:
{+block }
.247realmedia.com
.2o7.net
.adbrite.com
.adbureau.net
[ 90 more lines ]
/(.*/)?adv/.*
/(.*/)?ads/
/(.*/)?adx/.*
When I run across a new ad server, I edit the file (sudoedit, actually,
though I don't think there is any reason it couldn't be user-owned) and add
another domain or pattern. I don't even have to restart privoxy, since it
is smart enough to reread changed config files.
I agree that it can be done fairly simply, but right-clicking and
selecting 'block this' is still, at least for some, much more
straightforward than the following sequence: copy the ad server's url,
switch from the browser to an xterm, open an editor, move to the
desired location within the file, paste in the url, save the file. I
know that some of this can be automated, and that cli gurus can do it
all quite quickly, but still ...
Celejar
--Greg
Celejar
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Re: Opera is faster, but...
ArcticFox wrote: On Jul 9, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Sam Leon wrote: Matthew K Poer wrote:On Monday 09 July 2007 3:14 pm, Sam Leon wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo I really want to use opera but I can't because it seems to force you to use tabs _ Sam Alright, although I cannot imagine why in the world you would not want tabs... In Opera's menu bar, click under Tools and select Preferences. Click on the Advanced tab. Near the bottom of the Tabs section there is a setting called Open windows instead of tabs. That's Opera 9.21, at least. Yes played with that. It would open in a new window but if you clicked the home button on that new window it would go to a blank page. The other thing that drove me up the wall with opera was the fact that I can't have more than one instance up. I guess they just want you to use one page and fill it up with a whole bunch of tabs?? Sam Why are you so anti-tabs? I find tab browsing to be a lot faster and easier to switch between tabs then trying to open multiple windows/instances. I don't know. I have never liked tabs Sam
Re: Opera is faster, but...
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. But because it hasn't got the ease of the adblock extension, that turns out to be a wash. Hugo no no no. seamonkey is the fastest. steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opera is faster, but...
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:20:33 -0700, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On an unrelated matter I installed Opera on Sid. It *is* faster than iceweasel. I have always thought that FireFox was faster than Opera. Seamonkey it's the fastest. None faster than elinks. ;-) Is elinks faster than links and links2 (serious question, I don't have any idea) ? I really don't know... -- Octavio. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
