Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote: myhost$ adduser ricky dialout Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000) is automatically in this group. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512080630.GB27051@debian
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:39:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: (...) I just installed Debian 6.0.4 using Synaptic to add gnome-ppp. My first attempt to configure my modem failed *SILENTLY* (but's another gripe;) Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. Then executed gnome-ppp. All went fine. You call that paranoia but it can be a simple bug. That established I had a permissions issue : I then did man gnome-ppp Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!* That's also something historical. Programmers are not usually very much interested -nor have the time- in documenting their babies. I'm the _*ONLY*_ person to have physical access to the system. How do I force Debian to achieve functionality of CPM-80? [me date self ;/ LOL! You better force yourself to find a solution for your problem in the proper way. Greetinsg, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/joldtt$s0$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Sat 12 May 2012 at 05:02:31 +0100, elbbit wrote: As wvdial uses a system-wide configuration file, I should imagine that a regular system user just needs to be added to the dialout group, with command: myhost$ adduser ricky dialout Why does a user need direct access to the serial port to run a script? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512112151.GC19943@desktop
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Sat 12 May 2012 at 09:06:30 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote: myhost$ adduser ricky dialout Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000) is automatically in this group. I'd be inclined to say she isn't. If ppp is installed she'd be in group dip. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512112453.GD19943@desktop
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:39:49 -0500, Richard wrote in message 4faddb85.3060...@cloud85.net: I understand that historically Linux's roots are in a *MASSIVELY* multi-user environment. ..correct. *BUT* I'm a single user on an inherently physically secure ..you occupy Bouvet Island??? ;o) single user laptop. ..wrong, you have a multi user system on your laptop. ..and, you're getting useful support for free from people who knows how to debug ppp and gnome-ppp, which is the only _useful_ fact in my post here. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512172337.4e7db...@celsius.lan
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:24:53PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Sat 12 May 2012 at 09:06:30 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:02:31AM +0100, elbbit wrote: myhost$ adduser ricky dialout Furthermore, the user created by the debian installer (uid 1000) is automatically in this group. I'd be inclined to say she isn't. If ppp is installed she'd be in group dip. You are probably right: my desktop user is in dialout and I don't remember adding them but I must have done. A fresh squeeze install on a mac mini yesterday yields a user in dip but not dialout. Thanks for correcting me! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120512155007.GA4377@debian
Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
I understand that historically Linux's roots are in a *MASSIVELY* multi-user environment. *BUT* I'm a single user on an inherently physically secure single user laptop. [As an aside to an ongoing thread, my primary internet access is via a analog 56K dial-up modem ;] I just installed Debian 6.0.4 using Synaptic to add gnome-ppp. My first attempt to configure my modem failed *SILENTLY* (but's another gripe;) Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. Then executed gnome-ppp. All went fine. That established I had a permissions issue : I then did man gnome-ppp Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!* I'm the _*ONLY*_ person to have physical access to the system. How do I force Debian to achieve functionality of CPM-80? [me date self ;/ LOL! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4faddb85.3060...@cloud85.net
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On 12/05/12 04:39, Richard Owlett wrote: Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. Then executed gnome-ppp. All went fine. That established I had a permissions issue : I then did man gnome-ppp Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!* As wvdial uses a system-wide configuration file, I should imagine that a regular system user just needs to be added to the dialout group, with command: myhost$ adduser ricky dialout HTH, elbbit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fade0d7.8090...@gmail.com
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On 12/05/12 13:39, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm the _*ONLY*_ person to have physical access to the system. How do I force Debian to achieve functionality of CPM-80? [me date self Basically you need to (as root) add your user to the dialup group. grep dialout /etc/group man addgrp --gid ??? your-user Even on a dialup system, it is advisable not to break the basic system security. it isn't so long ago that dialout malware was common (albeit no on *nix). While you are at it, try less /etc/group and see what other groups you might also want to add your-user to, e,g audio, cdrom, floppy, tape, sudo, scanner, saned. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fade14c.3080...@woa.com.au
Re: Overcoming Debian(Linux?) paranoia - a gnome-ppp example
On 12/05/12 13:39, Richard Owlett wrote: I understand that historically Linux's roots are in a *MASSIVELY* multi-user environment. *BUT* I'm a single user on an inherently physically secure single user laptop. [As an aside to an ongoing thread, my primary internet access is via a analog 56K dial-up modem ;] I just installed Debian 6.0.4 using Synaptic to add gnome-ppp. My first attempt to configure my modem failed *SILENTLY* (but's another gripe;) It may be relevant - it would be useful if you could post any relevant output, info from logs etc. Being inherently suspicious, I chose 'root terminal'. Then executed gnome-ppp. All went fine. That established I had a permissions issue Could you be more specific please? Generally your user should be in the dip group (and the dialup group for connection scripts). : I then did man gnome-ppp Received *NO _USEFUL_ info!!!* Sorry, can't help you there (no GNOME). When I'm stuck for local documentation I try locate (mlocate as a user whos a member of the group). eg. $ mlocate ppp | grep /share/man $ mlocate ppp | grep README | grep /share/doc snipped If you could tell us what your modem[*1] is some of the GNOME users could help you get gppp configured. Or there's wvdial, or pon/poff, if you don't need a gui tool. I promise, despite the unfortunate experiences of a few - for many dialup networking in Debian is simple and reliable. :-) Most cases like yours - where setting up a connection wasn't simple to begin with, are usually fairly simple to resolve. [*1] make and model, interface (eg, serial, pci/internal, USB), ISP, wireless/PSTN. If it's a wireless modem (3G) has it been initialised, does it use a PIN, and, is it prepaid or postpaid? Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fade8c0.90...@gmail.com
