Re: Deterministic delays in POSIX shell scripts (Was: Re: notify via virtual terminal available packages)
On Fri 25 Sep 2020 at 12:28:31 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 07:49:19AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 07:44:25AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > > "hostid" tends to return a hexadecimal representation of the first > > > IPv4 address (but isn't guaranteed to). > > > > unicorn:~$ hostid > > 007f0101 > > > > Doesn't look very useful. That's just 127.0.1.1 in a 16-bit little > > endian format. > > Oh, none of mine do that, it seems to pick the other IP address for > me. But if it's a problem there are other sources of "machine" ID as > I mentioned. There's some more here: > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/ids.html IIRC Debian's recommendation is that a machine's own hosts entry should be: 127.0.0.1 localhost […] 127.0.1.1 axis.corp axis# 192.168.1.14 (The comment at the end is there because I generate my hosts file with a script that puts the 127.0.1.1 into place.) That might explain the monotonous 007f0101. Perhaps you don't set you hosts files that way. > > You know what else works really well? Just putting a different start > > time in each system's crontab. > > If that works for you, great, but I have quite a few machines, VMs > and containers provisioned identically and would rather not have to > change the scripts or configuration on a per-host basis. I don't know what scaling you require, nor the time resolution you can detect, but the last octet of the IPv4 address × 10 seconds gives you delays of up to ~42 minutes, unique on what was once called a "Class C" network. (15 seconds will go just over the hour.) Cheers, David.
Re: Deterministic delays in POSIX shell scripts (Was: Re: notify via virtual terminal available packages)
Hello, On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 07:49:19AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 07:44:25AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > "hostid" tends to return a hexadecimal representation of the first > > IPv4 address (but isn't guaranteed to). > > unicorn:~$ hostid > 007f0101 > > Doesn't look very useful. That's just 127.0.1.1 in a 16-bit little > endian format. Oh, none of mine do that, it seems to pick the other IP address for me. But if it's a problem there are other sources of "machine" ID as I mentioned. There's some more here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/ids.html > You know what else works really well? Just putting a different start > time in each system's crontab. If that works for you, great, but I have quite a few machines, VMs and containers provisioned identically and would rather not have to change the scripts or configuration on a per-host basis. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Deterministic delays in POSIX shell scripts (Was: Re: notify via virtual terminal available packages)
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 07:44:25AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > "hostid" tends to return a hexadecimal representation of the first > IPv4 address (but isn't guaranteed to). unicorn:~$ hostid 007f0101 Doesn't look very useful. That's just 127.0.1.1 in a 16-bit little endian format. > On a systemd system one > could instead use /etc/machine-id. On Linux there is also > /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id (but needs dashes removed). > > Systemd timers can do this sort of thing themselves, so no need > there for this sort of scripting. You know what else works really well? Just putting a different start time in each system's crontab.
Deterministic delays in POSIX shell scripts (Was: Re: notify via virtual terminal available packages)
Hello, On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 08:49:07AM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:38:55 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > So you're just doing "sleep 1" every time. > > Ah, thank you. Yup. Which is weird, because it worked when I first > wrote that many years ago. In cron scripts where I want a "random" delay, I actually tend to not really want it to be random, but just different for that host as opposed to other hosts, otherwise deterministic. I like it if the delay is the same every time on that host as long as it is a different delay on different hosts. So what I tend to do is something like: sleep $(( $(printf %d "0x$(hostid)") % 60 ))m; /some/command which will sleep for some amount of time between 0 and 59 minutes, the same amount every time, but different on different hosts. (Obviously change the "60" and the "m" to different values for different things, like you might want "1440" and "m" for minutes in a day.) Note that in a file parsed by cron you do need to escape both the '%' (like '\%'). The printf is needed to turn the hexadecimal value from the "hostid" command into a decimal number. Is there a way to do that with pure shell internals that isn't very verbose? "hostid" tends to return a hexadecimal representation of the first IPv4 address (but isn't guaranteed to). On a systemd system one could instead use /etc/machine-id. On Linux there is also /proc/sys/kernel/random/boot_id (but needs dashes removed). Systemd timers can do this sort of thing themselves, so no need there for this sort of scripting. > But I will move toward more use of unattended-upgrades, which > handles the original problem differently. Yup, I use apticron and unattended-upgrades for solving these problems these days. Cheers, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. — John Levine
Re: Why does Debian not include POSIX-specified commands like bc and ed by default?
On Sat 12 Sep 2020 at 07:41:19 (-0500), Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2020 12 Sep 02:06 -0500, Lone Learner wrote: > > POSIX.1-2001 Utilities[1] and POSIX.1-2008 Utilities[2] both list the > > commands "bc" and "ed" to be part of POSIX. > > > > Yet, in a brand new Debian installation (version 10 for example), > > these commands are missing by default: > > > > […] > > > > Why does Debian not include these commands by default? > > It's likely because the focus of the Debian Project is not that of > shipping a strict POSIX compliant system out of the box. > > > Of course, I can install them with "apt-get" and I did that. > > > > apt-get install bc ed > > I believe that 'apt' is preferred over "apt-get" these days. Simple > "apt" works well for me. Some might prefer it for interactive use, but apt-get has a more stable command line interface, so is better for scripting when, say, installing all one's preferred packages on a new system. Cheers, David.
Re: Why does Debian not include POSIX-specified commands like bc and ed by default?
* On 2020 12 Sep 02:06 -0500, Lone Learner wrote: > POSIX.1-2001 Utilities[1] and POSIX.1-2008 Utilities[2] both list the > commands "bc" and "ed" to be part of POSIX. > > Yet, in a brand new Debian installation (version 10 for example), > these commands are missing by default: > > $ bc > bash: bc: command not found > $ ed > bash: ed: command not found > > Why does Debian not include these commands by default? It's likely because the focus of the Debian Project is not that of shipping a strict POSIX compliant system out of the box. > Of course, I can install them with "apt-get" and I did that. > > apt-get install bc ed I believe that 'apt' is preferred over "apt-get" these days. Simple "apt" works well for me. > The "bc" binary is only 87K in size. The entire package including the > man page and documentation is only 209K in size. > > Similarly the "ed" binary is only 55K in size. The entire package is > only 93K in size. > > What good reason is there not to include these tiny packages even > though they are specified in POSIX? Debian has an opt-in survey of the most used packages/files via the "popularity-contest" package: https://popcon.debian.org/ It likely shows that the utilities in question are not used often so why include something that is seldom used? Those that need them know how to install them and packages that depend on them will install them. Including them by default apparently does little to further the goals of the Debian Project. Of course, as one interested in Debian, you are free to create your own spin that is as POSIX compliant as you can make it. Good luck! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Why does Debian not include POSIX-specified commands like bc and ed by default?
On 9/12/20 9:05 AM, Lone Learner wrote: > POSIX.1-2001 Utilities[1] and POSIX.1-2008 Utilities[2] both list the > commands "bc" and "ed" to be part of POSIX. > > Yet, in a brand new Debian installation (version 10 for example), > these commands are missing by default: > > $ bc > bash: bc: command not found > $ ed > bash: ed: command not found > > Why does Debian not include these commands by default? Of course, I > can install them with "apt-get" and I did that. > > apt-get install bc ed > > The "bc" binary is only 87K in size. The entire package including the > man page and documentation is only 209K in size. > > Similarly the "ed" binary is only 55K in size. The entire package is > only 93K in size. > > What good reason is there not to include these tiny packages even > though they are specified in POSIX? > > [1]: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/idx/utilities.html > > [2]: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/idx/utilities.html > Why should it include? POSIX is just a standard and Debian is even not POSIX compliant AFAIK :) Also the certification is kind of costly. But looking from the technical point of view, obviously none of reverse dependencies of ed or bc are installed on your system and thus theses packages are not needed. See apt-cache rdepends ed for example. Best, Alex
Re: Why does Debian not include POSIX-specified commands like bc and ed by default?
12 sept. 2020 09:06:19 Lone Learner : > Why does Debian not include these [posix] commands by default? > I guess many debian users don't care about these commands, so it would be rude to impose something wanted by only a part of the users. And there's the case of tiny embedded scarce systems too. If posix compliance is needed, these packages (and maybe others) can be easily installed, though an additional POSIXLY_CORRECT global setting would need to be done also. Maybe we could decide to create a package called "posix" that woult depend on all of them, if really needed and someone cares to spend time on that. But if you need to use software that need e.g. bc, the package certainly already depends on bc anyway. Best regards Fabrice
Why does Debian not include POSIX-specified commands like bc and ed by default?
POSIX.1-2001 Utilities[1] and POSIX.1-2008 Utilities[2] both list the commands "bc" and "ed" to be part of POSIX. Yet, in a brand new Debian installation (version 10 for example), these commands are missing by default: $ bc bash: bc: command not found $ ed bash: ed: command not found Why does Debian not include these commands by default? Of course, I can install them with "apt-get" and I did that. apt-get install bc ed The "bc" binary is only 87K in size. The entire package including the man page and documentation is only 209K in size. Similarly the "ed" binary is only 55K in size. The entire package is only 93K in size. What good reason is there not to include these tiny packages even though they are specified in POSIX? [1]: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/idx/utilities.html [2]: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/idx/utilities.html
Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On 8/22/2020 6:33 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 21 aug 20, 21:06:05, john doe wrote: When I can not get the command I want, I break it down to the simplest command as possible then I build from there to the command I realy want. Have you considered that solution(s) found might not be usable in the bigger context, basically wasting your time (as well as of those trying to help you)? Actually, Greg has provided me with what I was looking for. So thanks to Greg and to you for your input. -- John Doe
Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On Vi, 21 aug 20, 21:06:05, john doe wrote: > > When I can not get the command I want, I break it down to the simplest > command as possible then I build from there to the command I realy want. Have you considered that solution(s) found might not be usable in the bigger context, basically wasting your time (as well as of those trying to help you)? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On 8/21/2020 9:00 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 08:51:44PM +0200, john doe wrote: Okay, it uses the same syntax as for a subshell '$()'. No, one of them is $'' and the other is $(). They have nothing in common. One of them is a form of quoting. It acts just like '' except that it performs various backslash expansions. The other is a command substitution. Next step is to find a way in which I can use variable substitution. THIS IS WHY YOU SHOW THE **ACTUAL** COMMAND instead of this obufuscated bullshit. When I can not get the command I want, I break it down to the simplest command as possible then I build from there to the command I realy want. Thanks anyway. -- John Doe
Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 08:51:44PM +0200, john doe wrote: > Okay, it uses the same syntax as for a subshell '$()'. No, one of them is $'' and the other is $(). They have nothing in common. One of them is a form of quoting. It acts just like '' except that it performs various backslash expansions. The other is a command substitution. > Next step is to find a way in which I can use variable substitution. THIS IS WHY YOU SHOW THE **ACTUAL** COMMAND instead of this obufuscated bullshit.
Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On 8/21/2020 8:37 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 02:35:35PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
No. Use $'...' instead of '...'.
sed '/line1/{N;N;a line-to-add\n}' input-file
Crap. Of course I meant to write
sed $'/line1/{N;N;a line-to-add\n}' input-file
Okay, it uses the same syntax as for a subshell '$()'.
Next step is to find a way in which I can use variable substitution.
I appriciate your help Greg.
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Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 02:35:35PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> No. Use $'...' instead of '...'.
>
> sed '/line1/{N;N;a line-to-add\n}' input-file
Crap. Of course I meant to write
sed $'/line1/{N;N;a line-to-add\n}' input-file
Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 08:09:26PM +0200, john doe wrote:
> On 8/21/2020 7:51 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > If you're doing this from bash, you could use bash's special $'...'
> > quoting to pass a newline encoded as \n .
>
> So something like the following:
>
> $ sed '/line1/{N;N;a line-to-add$'\n'}' input-file
No. Use $'...' instead of '...'.
sed '/line1/{N;N;a line-to-add\n}' input-file
> > Otherwise, put an ACTUAL newline inside the quotes. You know, by
> > pressing the Enter key. That's portable to every sh family shell.
>
> Actually, I do not know, that is why I'm asking in here! :)
The Subject: header is a bit ambiguous, because you mention "POSIX
compliant sed", but you're asking on debian-user, where sed is not
necessarily POSIX compliant (GNU sed is notorious for having many
extensions).
Morever, it's not clear whether your operating environment is also
a POSIX *shell*.
Using a literal newline inside the single quotes is POSIX shell
compatible. $'...' is not.
Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On 8/21/2020 7:51 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 07:49:07PM +0200, john doe wrote:
Hello all,
I'm trying to use the command provided at (1):
$ sed '/pattern{N;N;a try\d10}' input-file
sed: -e expression #1, char 0: unmatched `{'
Are you missing a second / character after the pattern?
Why are you obfuscating the command? Why not SHOW the actual command?
Yes, I'm missing a '/'.
the command is:
$ sed '/line1/{N;N;a line-to-add}' input-file
As I understanded, I should make a newline before the right brace.
I thought that '\d10' should do it but as shown above it does not.
I have no idea how you came up with that.
If you're doing this from bash, you could use bash's special $'...'
quoting to pass a newline encoded as \n .
So something like the following:
$ sed '/line1/{N;N;a line-to-add$'\n'}' input-file
Otherwise, put an ACTUAL newline inside the quotes. You know, by
pressing the Enter key. That's portable to every sh family shell.
Actually, I do not know, that is why I'm asking in here! :)
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Re: POSIX compliant sed making newline character
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 07:49:07PM +0200, john doe wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm trying to use the command provided at (1):
>
> $ sed '/pattern{N;N;a try\d10}' input-file
> sed: -e expression #1, char 0: unmatched `{'
Are you missing a second / character after the pattern?
Why are you obfuscating the command? Why not SHOW the actual command?
> As I understanded, I should make a newline before the right brace.
> I thought that '\d10' should do it but as shown above it does not.
I have no idea how you came up with that.
If you're doing this from bash, you could use bash's special $'...'
quoting to pass a newline encoded as \n .
Otherwise, put an ACTUAL newline inside the quotes. You know, by
pressing the Enter key. That's portable to every sh family shell.
POSIX compliant sed making newline character
Hello all,
I'm trying to use the command provided at (1):
$ sed '/pattern{N;N;a try\d10}' input-file
sed: -e expression #1, char 0: unmatched `{'
As I understanded, I should make a newline before the right brace.
I thought that '\d10' should do it but as shown above it does not.
What am I missing?
The idea is to be able to append a line two lines after a match while
being POSIX compliant.
1)
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30099736/sed-insert-line-after-x-lines-after-match
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Re: Archiver supporting POSIX ACLs, file caps and xattrs?
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:30:02 +0400, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: > I'd like to dump an ext3 filesystem which might uses xattrs and might > use file capabilities. I'd very much like to pipe its output to another > machine (via netcat or some other means) which frames out fsarchiver [1] > which requires lseeks() on the file it generates. So I'd like to use > something like tar, cpio or pax. > > Unfortunately, it seems that tar did not support any extended file > properties yet [2], [3] even though it seems there are patches around > [5]. Can anyone please suggest a tool which could do *full* archival of > an ext3 filesystem and which supports dumping its output to stdout? Have you considered "bsdtar/bsdcpio"? They're both packaged for Debian and seem to support acl and extended attributes (at least up to certain level): https://github.com/libarchive/libarchive/wiki/TarExtendedAttributes > Please Cc me as I'm not subscribed. Sorry, I can't ;-( Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jqqobg$dr8$1...@dough.gmane.org
Archiver supporting POSIX ACLs, file caps and xattrs?
I'd like to dump an ext3 filesystem which might uses xattrs and might use file capabilities. I'd very much like to pipe its output to another machine (via netcat or some other means) which frames out fsarchiver [1] which requires lseeks() on the file it generates. So I'd like to use something like tar, cpio or pax. Unfortunately, it seems that tar did not support any extended file properties yet [2], [3] even though it seems there are patches around [5]. Can anyone please suggest a tool which could do *full* archival of an ext3 filesystem and which supports dumping its output to stdout? Please Cc me as I'm not subscribed. 1. http://www.fsarchiver.org 2. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-tar/2008-12/msg4.html 3. http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/#TOCreleases 4. http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/07/02/tips-from-an-rhce-tar-vs-star-the-battle-of-xattrs/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120605223002.99245eed.kos...@domain007.com
Re: LDAP and POSIX groups
Alex Samad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > plus I started to use libnss-ldapd, found it a bit more stable I gave libnss-ldapd a try and it's now working fine without changes on the configuration. Thanks. Ansgar -- PGP: 1024D/595FAD19 739E 2D09 0969 BEA9 9797 B055 DDB0 2FF7 595F AD19 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LDAP and POSIX groups
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 03:19:11PM +0100, frank wrote: > On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 15:48 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > > > I'm having problems setting up LDAP with POSIX groups. I can see groups > > and members with "getent group mygroup", but am not a member after > > logging in. > > > > To configure LDAP, I added > > > > nss_base_group ou=Group,dc=example,dc=com?sub > > > > to /etc/libnss-ldap.conf and pam_ldap.conf. This made the "getent" > > command work. The LDAP entry for the group looks like this: > > > > dn: cn=mygroup,ou=Group,dc=example,dc=com > > objectClass: top > > objectClass: posixGroup > > cn: mygroup > > gidNumber: 1000 > > memberUid: ansgar > > > > In online documentation, I also read about the object classes > > groupOfNames and groupOfUniqueNames, but have no idea how to use them > > (only posixGroup seems to have the gidNumber property and all three > > classes are structural). > > The ldap documentation is very rare. Have you modified you > nsswitch.conf? could also be ldap security, I found when I getent it would work but not when I did a id plus I started to use libnss-ldapd, found it a bit more stable > > Regards > Frank > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- The sum of the Universe is zero. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: LDAP and POSIX groups
Hi, frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 15:48 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> I'm having problems setting up LDAP with POSIX groups. I can see groups >> and members with "getent group mygroup", but am not a member after >> logging in. > The ldap documentation is very rare. Have you modified you > nsswitch.conf? Yes, it says group: files ldap right now. The getent program also works just fine (I think it uses the functions provided by nsswitch). Regards, Ansgar -- PGP: 1024D/595FAD19 739E 2D09 0969 BEA9 9797 B055 DDB0 2FF7 595F AD19 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LDAP and POSIX groups
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 15:48 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > I'm having problems setting up LDAP with POSIX groups. I can see groups > and members with "getent group mygroup", but am not a member after > logging in. > > To configure LDAP, I added > > nss_base_group ou=Group,dc=example,dc=com?sub > > to /etc/libnss-ldap.conf and pam_ldap.conf. This made the "getent" > command work. The LDAP entry for the group looks like this: > > dn: cn=mygroup,ou=Group,dc=example,dc=com > objectClass: top > objectClass: posixGroup > cn: mygroup > gidNumber: 1000 > memberUid: ansgar > > In online documentation, I also read about the object classes > groupOfNames and groupOfUniqueNames, but have no idea how to use them > (only posixGroup seems to have the gidNumber property and all three > classes are structural). The ldap documentation is very rare. Have you modified you nsswitch.conf? Regards Frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LDAP and POSIX groups
Hi, I'm having problems setting up LDAP with POSIX groups. I can see groups and members with "getent group mygroup", but am not a member after logging in. To configure LDAP, I added nss_base_group ou=Group,dc=example,dc=com?sub to /etc/libnss-ldap.conf and pam_ldap.conf. This made the "getent" command work. The LDAP entry for the group looks like this: dn: cn=mygroup,ou=Group,dc=example,dc=com objectClass: top objectClass: posixGroup cn: mygroup gidNumber: 1000 memberUid: ansgar In online documentation, I also read about the object classes groupOfNames and groupOfUniqueNames, but have no idea how to use them (only posixGroup seems to have the gidNumber property and all three classes are structural). Regards, Ansgar -- PGP: 1024D/595FAD19 739E 2D09 0969 BEA9 9797 B055 DDB0 2FF7 595F AD19 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
select() in sh (POSIX is crap, but something to have anyway :)
07-08-2007, Vincent Lefevre: [] > Not every system has bash. If this is for compatibility, you can learn > POSIX sh, but e.g. Solaris /bin/sh is not a POSIX sh. And Windows will have `sh` soon, called "Microsoft Suxe Shell" (C) Novell. > For this reason and because POSIX sh is limited (you can't execute a > command and have a timeout on it), I now write all my portable scripts > in Perl since it is on every system I've met. Yes. Not having select()-like functionality in the most basic tool, like shell is a very bad mis-design of POSIX and prior art of BSD. As bad as whole `make` crap, which is accepted non standard feature of `test ARG1 -nt ARG2` So, do you need that useless `sh` wrapper called `make` after that? Timeouts can be implemented also. Not portably (maybe), but i don't care about hype of POSIX(R)ability. Here's thread to read (features debian kernel team member): <http://www.zytor.com/pipermail/klibc/2007-September/002167.html> == Perl. Perl is XISOP. Whatever, i don't care. -- -o--=O`C #oo'L O <___=E M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shouldn't pax (required by POSIX) have the required priority?
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 02:21:36AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > The pax package is optional. But as the pax utility is required by > POSIX[*], shouldn't this package be required? > > [*] http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/pax.html > Why? RPM is also required by LSB and it is not "required" in Debian. There is nothing saying that your Debian install has to be POSIX compliant. Remember, people build embedded devices on Debian using alternative libc implementations and other such things. If you want POSIX compliance, you can install it. Also, if you read up on the different priorities in Debian, you will see that optional is the correct priority for pax. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Shouldn't pax (required by POSIX) have the required priority?
The pax package is optional. But as the pax utility is required by POSIX[*], shouldn't this package be required? [*] http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/pax.html -- Vincent Lefèvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Web: <http://www.vinc17.org/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.org/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POSIX regex packahe
> > I'm surprised that libc6-dev is only a "recommends" and not > > a "depends" for gcc. > > Gcc is quite useful without libc6-dev. For compiling a kernel, for > example. Good point. > > To build slapd, you may also need (according to apt-build > info slapd) > > 'apt-get build-dep slapd' will install all of the build > dependencies for slapd. I'm guessing that was meant for the OP, since I didn't want to install the dependencies, just get a list of them. -- Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: POSIX regex packahe
Kevin Ross writes: > I'm surprised that libc6-dev is only a "recommends" and not a "depends" > for gcc. Gcc is quite useful without libc6-dev. For compiling a kernel, for example. > To build slapd, you may also need (according to apt-build info slapd) 'apt-get build-dep slapd' will install all of the build dependencies for slapd. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POSIX regex packahe
> I need POSIX regex to compile openldap-2.3.28. Does anyone know which > package has it? libc6-dev I'm surprised that libc6-dev is only a "recommends" and not a "depends" for gcc. But whatever. To build slapd, you may also need (according to apt-build info slapd): automake1.9 diffstat libltdl3-dev libperl-dev libsasl2-modules libsasl2-dev libwrap0-dev quilt libdb4.2-dev libslp-dev Hope this helps! -- Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
POSIX regex packahe
Hi, I need POSIX regex to compile openldap-2.3.28. Does anyone know which package has it? Thanks, Andre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
POSIX ACLs on Debian
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Re: Posix and SysV message queues
Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are you using Sarge? Actually, I'm on Kubuntu Dapper. I just checked my Sarge installation, and the manpage is not there either, so I'm guessing it's a recent addition. > I'm on Sid, and the manpage lives in the package manpages (which > manpages-posix recommends you install :-). Well, google showed me the actual manpage (once I knew the name), and it's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks alot. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Posix and SysV message queues
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 09:12:59AM -0700, John L Fjellstad wrote: >Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Have you read the relevant manpage (mq_overview)? >> You can't get the information you're interested in from the virtual >> filesystem, /dev/mqueue? > >Doing a man on mq_overview tells me there is no such man page. man on >mqueue.h and mq_open doesn't mention a mq_overview man page. >There is no /dev/mqueue on my filesystem (using udev). > >I have the posix man pages installed (both manpages-posix and >manpages-posix-dev), so I think I should have everything installed (in >regards to man pages) > >I appreciate the help. Are you using Sarge? I'm on Sid, and the manpage lives in the package manpages (which manpages-posix recommends you install :-). /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. In order to understand recursion you must first understand recursion. pgpjoVuEhF6yf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Posix and SysV message queues
Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have you read the relevant manpage (mq_overview)? > You can't get the information you're interested in from the virtual > filesystem, /dev/mqueue? Doing a man on mq_overview tells me there is no such man page. man on mqueue.h and mq_open doesn't mention a mq_overview man page. There is no /dev/mqueue on my filesystem (using udev). I have the posix man pages installed (both manpages-posix and manpages-posix-dev), so I think I should have everything installed (in regards to man pages) I appreciate the help. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Posix and SysV message queues
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 12:13:19AM -0700, John L Fjellstad wrote: >I'm trying to write a program using posix and sysV message queues. For >sysV, there is a utility, ipcs and icprm that lets me inspect and >remove messages from the queue. Anyone know if there is a similar >utility for posix msg queues? Have you read the relevant manpage (mq_overview)? You can't get the information you're interested in from the virtual filesystem, /dev/mqueue? /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. DRM discourages piracy like Thalidomide promotes healthy childbirth. -- Mark Hewitt, on the ORG discuss list pgpdH6Hb6fUI4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Posix and SysV message queues
I'm trying to write a program using posix and sysV message queues. For sysV, there is a utility, ipcs and icprm that lets me inspect and remove messages from the queue. Anyone know if there is a similar utility for posix msg queues? -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLVED Re: Sid: How to clear locales = posix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, I did the dpkg-reconfigure, and this time set the system-wide locale toggle to "yes" from "none". I've been loath to set such system-wide things, rather leaving it to "as needed". That makes everything equal to "en_US", and the alphabetic order is followed rather than being separated out by upper-lower case. Curt- On Thursday 04 May 2006 11:46, Curt Howland was heard to say: > Ok, I'm stuck with everything equalling "POSIX". I looked through > the archives and cannot find how to clear the problem. I recall it > was something like "delete this file and reconfigure locales", but > as I said I cannot find the references anywhere. > > Does anyone else remember? > > ===== > $ locale > LANG= > LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en > LC_CTYPE="POSIX" > LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" > LC_TIME="POSIX" > LC_COLLATE="POSIX" > LC_MONETARY="POSIX" > LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" > LC_PAPER="POSIX" > LC_NAME="POSIX" > LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" > LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" > LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" > LC_ALL= > = - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRFpQ6S9Y35yItIgBAQJ47wf7BtuAyYUXSdjSvKuvu/x8CVWLZMz3I2ZU CtjWiRyhsfuHq97fNghXO6rFvv+F3RzXR/qGSkLJ49BbxDiH8aosB+GfjoZ57zli 4bTkYhvHCVowuXAMpurQvWbXjwgT2nofi9FP67Vel1u4RB9HC14tYLXiyEP686zG 9Tu5v2ZYp0oAVbqFqWGxpuah0sFZPfujPacnitMNN6xUPVh68+N5e+MRv1DHCzhm mFhET68Cy8uHbGCmw2SKoew0ijHmukBfMfHTV9S46xqO8lnYw6ohBLCWRQl4sD/i bvlr1kGNfiYK/cRT8/bDED+kUfVX64bj52QdVzbT/zzfeOwSJGEZGw== =dS2c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sid: How to clear locales = posix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, I'm stuck with everything equalling "POSIX". I looked through the archives and cannot find how to clear the problem. I recall it was something like "delete this file and reconfigure locales", but as I said I cannot find the references anywhere. Does anyone else remember? = $ locale LANG= LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="POSIX" LC_NUMERIC="POSIX" LC_TIME="POSIX" LC_COLLATE="POSIX" LC_MONETARY="POSIX" LC_MESSAGES="POSIX" LC_PAPER="POSIX" LC_NAME="POSIX" LC_ADDRESS="POSIX" LC_TELEPHONE="POSIX" LC_MEASUREMENT="POSIX" LC_IDENTIFICATION="POSIX" LC_ALL= = - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRFohvC9Y35yItIgBAQLjsQf/bVTHED+eX4ZGt+KriLrJu1M3Vap+16iR hjGUWcf7h1nw4FJ9PbjaJyBGc/UwYTyKItLEUjlPwPsh0SHBalqa0+6D4vSOdjGI fNa+87O8IY6Kno13l95l49hZdCpFJYtOZWUvvCtQIEZ+DYnXeff3kvJ9GIKZEsCj obrOL4axUUv1bjnbf3EWUs6gxCGlizSmRQinLxlnViLN4XOrt+upvj1IQ55rvPTI oXWRNs9kB2HvMrcgZ4M4Ukid3zDUDCOA/J9zg2b3vrUU54TOwIkhqgGQRuWgz7lS f1KdT2o8jAu5F8Vbl4llVr+L8QQ9XjRkFgEo5VUwR8VAjrYGEz/v4w== =XovS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Requesting POSIX/SUS features from glibc
Hi, Feature test macro _POSIX_SOURCE refers to which edition of POSIX.1 ? And _XOPEN_SOURCE refers to which SUS version ? I've got installed libc6 and glibc-doc both 2.3.5-7. I've carefully read the documentation from these packages, but couldn't find clear, unambiguous answers. It was clear that: _POSIX_C_SOURCE >=1 POSIX.1 1990 _POSIX_C_SOURCE >=2 POSIX.2 1992 _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 199309L POSIX.1 1993 _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 199506L POSIX.1 1996 _XOPEN_SOURCE 500 SUS2 but _POSIX_SOURCE vaguely referred to the POSIX.1 standard, no edition mentioned, and _XOPEN_SOURCE to "functionality described in the X/Open Portability Guide". Thanks Paulo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stumped with a Posix/Perl Question
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 02:10:46PM -0800, William Ballard wrote:
> Given:
>
> A - 1
> A - 2
> B - 1
> B - 2
>
> what's the simplest command or perl script to print it as:
>
> A (1, 2)
> B (1, 2)
>
> or something equivalent.
Hmm, one of the zillions of ways of doing something equivalent, with the
data in file tmp/msg-data:
$ perl -nae '{push @{$x{$F[0]}},$F[2]}END{foreach(sort keys %x){print "$_ ("; print
join(", ",@{$x{$_}});print ")\n"}}' tmp/msg-data
A (1, 2)
B (1, 2)
or perhaps a bit more legibly:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
my %x;
while ( ) {
chomp;
my @F = split;
push @{$x{$F[0]}}, $F[2]
}
foreach ( sort keys %x ) {
print "$_ (";
print join(", ",@{$x{$_}});
print ")\n"
}
__END__
A - 1
A - 2
B - 1
B - 2
This builds a hash keyed on the first space-delimited token on a line,
with the hash value being an array reference to which the 3rd token
is pushed. Afterwards the hash is iterated for printing, and the arrays
pretty-printed using join.
Ken
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Re: Stumped with a Posix/Perl Question
Moin, * William Ballard wrote (2004-04-02 00:10): >Given: > >A - 1 >A - 2 >B - 1 >B - 2 > >what's the simplest command or perl script to print it as: > >A (1, 2) >B (1, 2) > >or something equivalent. Is that an array? Depending on the size and whether it's fixed I would use either printf or something with join. Thorsten -- Once upon the time, the music industry had something to offer to us - they distributed the music we would have never heard without them. Now, they need laws that prevent us to do ourself what they do for money. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Stumped with a Posix/Perl Question
Given: A - 1 A - 2 B - 1 B - 2 what's the simplest command or perl script to print it as: A (1, 2) B (1, 2) or something equivalent. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
POSIX spec (was: Linux permissions and which(1))
Ok, I'm seeing different behavior with differnet shells and different operating systems. I've tried looking for the POSIX spec to see the correct behavior but not having much luck with my googling skills today. Anyone know where to look up the POSIX spec on how a shell is suppose to use the PATH and file permissions to locate a program to run? -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Runaway processes-Native Posix threading Library-Old linux threads
Hi All, I had an experience today. I opened www.kumudam.com (an Indian vernacular language site) using opera7.11 in RH7.3 (Celeron 900 MHz, 128 MB RAM with IceWm desktop, not the KDE) with the fonts ( kumudam.ttf) installed. The site did not open fully and there was lot of disk thrashing going began. I thought of giving "top" to see the offending program, but no way. Nothing registered, mouse clicks, key strokes, nothing. After waiting for more than 7 minutes, I had no other go other than a hard reset. Then I was reading "All about kernel 2.6 " in Linux For U Magazine (www.linuxforu.com , a magazine for linux users in India ) by KT Ligesh in which a paragraph about old linux threads was mentioned. It was mentioned that it can take about 15 minutes for that old threading to start &stop 1,00,000 threads. With new Native Posix threading Library (NPTL) an eightfold improvement is expected. Anyway all this geeky jargon is way over my head, my only doubt is whether such a phenomenon is the one causing problems like I mentioned in first paragraph. At that time apart from Opera only gedit was open and three more terminal windows. I was having this problem of runaway processes when I used KDE , that's why I switched to IceWm, but even here ? Or am I looking in the wrong direction? Any more light on the problem faced as well as this improved threading in Linux by Gurus in this group will be very much appreciated. N S Srikanth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: POSIX shell
Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-10 19:41:08 -0500]: > This one time, at band camp, Bruce Park said: > > What exactly is a POSIX shell? > It is a shell that complies with the Portable Operating System Interface > - basically, system calls, expected behaviors and that sort of thing. > Makes it easier for programmers to write cross-platform programs. > > Grossly oversimplified, but google could give you quite a bit more, if > you're interested in looking around. Yes. You might want to poke around here. (v3 is out but I don't know of an online version of it.) This is the standard to which a standard conforming shell must comply. Or it is a bug and you can chastise them publicly for it. :-0 http://www.unix-systems.org/single_unix_specification_v2/xcu/sh.html Bob msg12230/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: POSIX shell
This one time, at band camp, Bruce Park said: > What exactly is a POSIX shell? > > bp It is a shell that complies with the Portable Operating System Interface - basically, system calls, expected behaviors and that sort of thing. Makes it easier for programmers to write cross-platform programs. Grossly oversimplified, but google could give you quite a bit more, if you're interested in looking around. -- -- |Stephen Gran | You'll wish that you had done some of the| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |hard things when they were easier | |http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | to do. | -- msg12226/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
POSIX shell
What exactly is a POSIX shell? bp _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enabling thread concurrency in Posix Threads.
Hi There,
I have Potato 2.2.19 kernel and the following packages installed
libc6-dev 2.2.5-4,
libpth-dev 1.4.1-2 and glibc-doc 2.2.5-4. I was trying to understand the
concepts of threads on linux. I executed a program from Stevens book and is
attached to this mail. On the commandline I passed the following arguments.
The first argument being the executable , then no of items
to be processed , no of threads that are used to process these items.
Following is the output. From the this output , It seems to me that only one
thread is performing and rest of them are not allowed to run. The
Set_concurrency() method uses pthread_setconcurrency() internally, so I
donot where the problem is and I am linking the obj with pthread library.
~/unpv22e/mutex$ ./prodcons1 100 10
In void Set_concurrency(int level)
count[0] = 100
count[1] = 0
count[2] = 0
count[3] = 0
count[4] = 0
count[5] = 0
count[6] = 0
count[7] = 0
count[8] = 0
count[9] = 0
Can anybody suggest me where the problem is?
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/* include main */
#include "unpipc.h"
#define MAXNITEMS 100
#define MAXNTHREADS 100
int nitems; /* read-only by producer and consumer */
struct {
pthread_mutex_t mutex;
int buff[MAXNITEMS];
int nput;
int nval;
} shared = { PTHREAD_MUTEX_INITIALIZER };
void *produce(void *), *consume(void *);
int
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
int i, nthreads, count[MAXNTHREADS];
pthread_t tid_produce[MAXNTHREADS], tid_consume;
if (argc != 3)
err_quit("usage: prodcons1 <#items> <#threads>");
nitems = min(atoi(argv[1]), MAXNITEMS);
nthreads = min(atoi(argv[2]), MAXNTHREADS);
Set_concurrency(nthreads);
for (i = 0; i < nthreads; i++) {
count[i] = 0;
Pthread_create(&tid_produce[i], NULL, produce, &count[i]);
}
for (i = 0; i < nthreads; i++) {
Pthread_join(tid_produce[i], NULL);
printf("count[%d] = %d\n", i, count[i]);
}
Pthread_create(&tid_consume, NULL, consume, NULL);
Pthread_join(tid_consume, NULL);
exit(0);
}
/* end main */
/* include produce */
void *
produce(void *arg)
{
for ( ; ; ) {
if (shared.nput >= nitems) {
return(NULL); /* array is full, we're done */
}
shared.buff[shared.nput] = shared.nval;
shared.nput++;
shared.nval++;
*((int *) arg) += 1;
}
}
void *
consume(void *arg)
{
int i;
for (i = 0; i < nitems; i++) {
if (shared.buff[i] != i)
printf("buff[%d] = %d\n", i, shared.buff[i]);
}
return(NULL);
}
/* end produce */
POSIX
Re: dpkg-scanpackages on an official [ "der.hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: how do i setup a maildir structu [ Rino Mardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] gmix audio level problems [ Craig Holyoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: Good mail management techniques? [ Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: PCMCIA & 2.4.9[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bostjan Mull ] Re: Can the scsi emulation kill the [ Timeboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: gmix audio level problems [ Timeboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] mailq [ "Michael P. Soulier" ] Re: mailq [ Davor Balder <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: dpkg-scanpackages on an official [ Martin F Krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: newbe-ish question - POSIX ? [ Davor Balder <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] printing on hp610cdjet[ --- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] how to make ksymoops log into a read [ --- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: OT - blocking mail from specific [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miquel v ] Re: kernel 2.4.x and unstable [ Ross Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: PCMCIA & 2.4.9[ secher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 02:24:09 -0700 (MST) From: "der.hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian users Subject: Re: dpkg-scanpackages on an official mirror Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Am 09. Sep, 2001 schwätzte Martin F Krafft so: > also sprach der.hans (on Sat, 08 Sep 2001 01:38:13PM -0700): > > Am 08. Sep, 2001 schwäzte Martin F Krafft so: > >schwätzte... Blöder Tippfehler, gell? :( > well, i know this. but the official mirror's pool/ tree has > duplicates in it, as all of potato, woody, and sid index into it. some > package version 2.0 might only be in woody while 1.3 exists in > potato... then pool/m/myprogram will exist in two version and the > Packages.gz file of the respective distro should include only the > appropriate version/package. Hmm. What's the source for determining what's in potato, woody and sid? > or is this what ./override is for? if not, what is *it's* purpose? It's for overriding stuff :). As I remember the docs, they said something about CD vendors. Allows them to make changes. Might be important for CD1 vs. CD2, etc. Might enable them to include/remove things, e.g. crypto packages. ciao, der.hans -- # [EMAIL PROTECTED] home.pages.de/~lufthans/ www.DevelopOnline.com # kill telnet, long live ssh - der.hans Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:40:20 +0800 From: Rino Mardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org CC: Martin F Krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: how do i setup a maildir structure with postfix? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb" Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Sep 08, 2001 at 05:42:33PM +0200 or thereabouts, Martin F Krafft wrote: > also sprach Rino Mardo (on Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:39:54AM +0800): > > the question is: how do i setup a maildir structure in linux with the above > > configuration in mind. > > Maildir uses the directory ~/Maildir/ by default, so add the following > line to your postfix's main.cf: > > home_mailbox = Maildir/ > > from now on, postfix will deliver to Maildir/ in Maildir format > (because of the trailing slash, Maildir's "flag") by default. > > however, since you are using procmail, you don't have to make that > site-wide, because you can simply postfix your mailboxes with a slash > to make them Maildirs. for instance, the following procmailrc will > deliver to Maildirs. > > === > VERBOSE=no > LOGABSTRACT=yes > MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail > DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox/ > > :0 > * ^Return-Path:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > $MAILDIR/debian/ > === > > which will write all messages to debian user into the ~/Mail/debian/ > Maildir (containing cur, tmp, and new), and everything else into > ~/Mail/inbox/ >
Re: newbe-ish question - POSIX ?
On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 06:08:48PM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What is POSIX and what does it entail ? > > Thanks (Sorry for the stupid question) > SK > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi!!! There are no stupid questions, just supid answers... POSIX means Portable Operating System Interface for Computer Environments. This is system developed by Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (I) because many different UNIX-like systems were developed. Basically, this standard defines how Unix like systems should operate and it is a de-facto standard to which all Unix-like systems should (or rather must) adhere. Basically, this has to do with system calls. Linux also adheres to Linux Filesystem Standard (FSSTND) and that defines where specific files and directories should be placed in the Linux file structure. I hope this helps, Take care, Davor pgpsZynkf1lE9.pgp Description: PGP signature
newbe-ish question - POSIX ?
What is POSIX and what does it entail ? Thanks (Sorry for the stupid question) SK
Antivirus para proteger el correo electrónico Posix
Hola. Cual es el mejor antivirus para su distribución, es para el servidor de correo. Gracias.
POSIX tar archive
a friend asked me to extract a text file from a floppy "unix formatted". I can see this file looking with mc (is a little data base of pc spare parts) in /dev/fd0, but i can't mount the floppy: no vfat, no ext2, no sysv. The command " file /tmp/foo " produces this output: " POSIX tar archive " but the command " tar xvfp /dev/fd0 " produces a strange file that i can't view in mc. Could somebody help me to understand a little more ;-)) Luigi i cp /dev/fd0 to /mnt/dos1 and after i cancelled all the "garbage" before and after the file ... but that's the way winzozz's peoples resolve problems ... and i would NOT dye as a winzozz man ;-)))
POSIX arguments
Is there any electronic information available that describes what a getopt library (no, not another one in C :-) must allow and disallow to be POSIX compliant? -- .elOle.
Re: posix procs: where is it gone ?
On: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:07:42 +0200 (METDST) Stelios Parnassidis writes:
>
> Is the old (?) ps, the one with the PS_PEERSONALITY setting, to
> find under debian ?
>
> I'm running/poerting a huge package related to my job, which rely
> very heavy on the posix conform switches of 'ps'.
>
> One of a sudden sometime ago nothing goes anymore because in many
> cases system("ps -ef ... ) is used, and it must stay like
> that... :(
>From the manpage:
to function correctly at some point in the future. If you
want to turn off the warnings, set the I_WANT_A_BROKEN_PS
environment variable.
This seems to be the quickest solution.
Torsten
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Is the old (?) ps, the one with the PS_PEERSONALITY setting, to find
under debian ?
I'm running/poerting a huge package related to my job, which rely
very heavy on the posix conform switches of 'ps'.
One of a sudden sometime ago nothing goes anymore because
in many cases system("ps -ef ... ) is used, and it must stay like
that... :(
Stelios Parnassidis
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Re: What happened to the ps POSIX options
On 23 Feb 1998, Tommi Kaariainen wrote: > I updated procps (+ other stuff) to the newest version(s) in the Debian > mirror I use (sunsite.auc.dk) and found out that the (much more useful) > POSIX-style ps options no longer work. Why were they removed? Debian fell back to use the unmodified upstream procps release, which doesn't have POSIX/UNIX98-style options yet. There are plans for the upstream source to incorperate these options again in the future, but they are gone for the moment. -- Scott K. Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: What happened to the ps POSIX options
Tommi Kaariainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I updated procps (+ other stuff) to the newest version(s) in the Debian > mirror I use (sunsite.auc.dk) and found out that the (much more useful) > POSIX-style ps options no longer work. Why were they removed? > > /Tommi Kääriäinen/ Aargh, this is not what I meant to write. What I was thinking goes like this: I updated procps (+ other stuff) in my system (running hamm) to the newest version(s) _from_ the Debian mirror I use (sunsite.auc.dk) and found out that the (much more useful) POSIX-style ps options no longer work. Why were they removed? /Tommi Kääriäinen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
What happened to the ps POSIX options
I updated procps (+ other stuff) to the newest version(s) in the Debian mirror I use (sunsite.auc.dk) and found out that the (much more useful) POSIX-style ps options no longer work. Why were they removed? /Tommi Kääriäinen/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IEEE POSIX Standards and Linux
On 26 Sep 1997, TENCC01.LEWIS01 wrote: > To be an actual factual posix system you have to pass a test suite that > requires > a bunch of money. If the test suite is ever put in public domain, linux may > get > a posix rating. These are rather old postings but I think they shed some light: --8< Date: Sat Oct 12 00:27:36 BST 1996 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-announce@lists.debian.org, debian-announce@lists.debian.org Subject: Debian and POSIX DEBIAN AND POSIX Many Linux distribution creators have published statements about their committment to the POSIX standard recently. The POSIX standard is a method of assuring source-code-level compatibility across a number of different software platforms. It specifies the software interface of a Unix-like operating system. A program using the standard facilities should compile properly and run the same way on any system that complies with the standard. Linux was already close to POSIX before anyone started working on actual compliance with the standard. In the past year or so it has gotten much closer to POSIX, as some Linux distribution creators have been running POSIX compliance tests and have been feeding the bugs they find back to the authors. We thank them for this effort. Until recently it was prohibitively expensive for the Debian GNU/Linux project to participate in the POSIX effort, because there was a high fee for copies of the standard, the compliance test software, and certification by a POSIX lab. Now, the U.S. Government National Institute of Standards and Technology has released a free version of their Federal Information Processing Standard 151-2 compliance test software, which tests for compliance with a superset of POSIX. They decided to make that software free so that more people would implement POSIX, and we applaud that decision. We got right to work on Debian's POSIX compliance. We currently plan to provide the capability for end-user verification - you can run the POSIX test suite on your own system if you like. There will be several POSIX-compliant Linux distributions available under the GPL. Debian GNU/Linux is the only one that's made by a non-profit organization rather than a for-profit concern. Our team of 110 volunteer developers have built a system that's equal to or better than any Linux distribution you can find. As always, we invite all organizations, for-profit and non-profit, to derive their systems and software from Debian GNU/Linux and to participate in the Debian development effort. In this way, you can acquire a POSIX-compliant base upon which you can add value. You don't need our permission to distribute and sell Debian, you need only comply with the software licenses of the programs it contains. This offer is even open to the developers of other Linux distributions. Many Thanks Bruce Perens Debian Project Leader -- Date: Sun Oct 13 01:20:36 BST 1996 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian + POSIX Hi Bruce, >Actually, until recently you could only be POSIX compliant by paying >a lot of money. You paid for copies of the standard, you paid for >validation software, and you paid for a POSIX compliance lab to certify >you. So it was a way for the well-funded commercial Linux projects to >differentiate themselves from high-quality but underfunded efforts like >Debian. Now, they will have to use the still-costly X/Open standards >to differentiate themselves. Just my CHF 0.02: I suppose that the POSIX-compliance test is relatively cheap[1] in comparison to the XPG4 branding (afterward the branding are allowed to call your ``Un*x''-clone a ``Unix'' [note the capitalization]). I don't know how much the POSIX compliance testing actually costs, but buying the standards is affordable[2] (quoting IEEE 1996 catalog): member list 1003.1b-1993 (POSIX.1, C-API, Realtime extension) $68.40 $114.00 1003.2d-1994 (POSIX.2, Shell&Utilities, Amendment 1) $40.08 $68.00 1003.3-1991 (Test methods for measuring conformance to POSIX) $22.20 $37.00 [skipping FORTRAN] 9945-1:1990(E) (POSIX.1, C-API f. Sys. Application C) $54.00 $90.00 9945-2:1993(E) (POSIX.2 Shell and utilities) $111.00 $185.00 2003.1:1992(Test methods for measuring system conformance to POSIX part 1: System Integration)$57.60 $96.60 >NIST developed a compliance test suite for the U.S. Federal Information >Processing Standard. This is a superset of POSIX. They recently decided >to make it free, so that more people would implement POSIX. W
Re: IEEE POSIX Standards and Linux
I can't say debian is "posix conformant". However, I have been developing c code on hpux, dec osf1, and aix for some years now. Linux is as good as any of those. When it comes to supporting old standards like bsd, linux is probably a bit better. To be an actual factual posix system you have to pass a test suite that requires a bunch of money. If the test suite is ever put in public domain, linux may get a posix rating. jim __ Reply Separator _ Subject: IEEE POSIX Standards and Linux Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SMTP.MNETO1) at ~AMSCCSSW Date:9/25/97 9:23 PM Dear Sirs, I am a Linux user and I need information regarding linux (debian,RedHat, Slackware) and its conformance to IEEE POSIX standards, specially those that Microsoft Windows NT is not compliant. Best regards, Mario de Mello B. Neto. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IEEE POSIX Standards and Linux
On Sep 25, Mario de Mello B. Neto wrote > I am a Linux user and I need information regarding linux (debian,RedHat, > Slackware) and its conformance to IEEE POSIX standards, specially those > that Microsoft Windows NT is not compliant. I'm nowhere near a standards expert, but I suspect most Linux distributions are in effect POSIX.1 compliant, or very close. [extracted from http://www.lasermoon.co.uk/ft2/FT2.html] | The NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) have made the | POSIX.1 FIPS151-2 test suites freely available and as such the kernel and | relevant libraries have been made Conformant and are already freely | available. These test suites can be found on Debian mirrors as project/misc/NIST-PCTS_151-2.tar.gz . You might one to check them out. On Sep 25, Britton wrote > From what I have heard, this could be tricky. It seems amazing, but the > IEEE, in it's infinite wisdom, has decided that people should pay to find > out about some of the standards it issues. Anyone know if this is still > the case? Probably. The development of standards by standards organizations is often financed by selling the standards. HTH, Ray Ray -- Obsig: developing a new sig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IEEE POSIX Standards and Linux
>From what I have heard, this could be tricky. It seems amazing, but the IEEE, in it's infinite wisdom, has decided that people should pay to find out about some of the standards it issues. Anyone know if this is still the case? On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Mario de Mello B. Neto wrote: > Dear Sirs, > > I am a Linux user and I need information regarding linux (debian,RedHat, > Slackware) and its conformance to IEEE POSIX standards, specially those > that Microsoft Windows NT is not compliant. > > Best regards, > > Mario de Mello B. Neto. > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
IEEE POSIX Standards and Linux
Dear Sirs, I am a Linux user and I need information regarding linux (debian,RedHat, Slackware) and its conformance to IEEE POSIX standards, specially those that Microsoft Windows NT is not compliant. Best regards, Mario de Mello B. Neto. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xntp mystery solved: POSIX timezone brain damage
[For anti-spam purposes, my email address does not appear in canonical form in this message, but if you're not trying to sell me anything, I welcome replies. My username is gobbel, the name of myhost is cogsci.ucsd.edu. -RG] After digging around a bit more, I discovered that the 20-second offset is due to overzealous compliance with a broken POSIX requirement in version 7.55 of the timezone package. Apparently the POSIX committee, in a moment of idiocy, decreed that POSIX time leave off the leap seconds that have been added to UTC periodically since 1972. There have been 20 of them, leading to the 20-second discrepancy. It appears that this breakage will be remedied in the next release of timezone. The interim cure is to revert to version 7.48-3, in the stable distribution. -Randy
Re: Debian + POSIX
Hi Bruce, >Actually, until recently you could only be POSIX compliant by paying >a lot of money. You paid for copies of the standard, you paid for >validation software, and you paid for a POSIX compliance lab to certify >you. So it was a way for the well-funded commercial Linux projects to >differentiate themselves from high-quality but underfunded efforts like >Debian. Now, they will have to use the still-costly X/Open standards >to differentiate themselves. Just my CHF 0.02: I suppose that the POSIX-compliance test is relatively cheap[1] in comparison to the XPG4 branding (afterward the branding are allowed to call your ``Un*x''-clone a ``Unix'' [note the capitalization]). I don't know how much the POSIX compliance testing actually costs, but buying the standards is affordable[2] (quoting IEEE 1996 catalog): member list 1003.1b-1993 (POSIX.1, C-API, Realtime extension) $68.40 $114.00 1003.2d-1994 (POSIX.2, Shell&Utilities, Amendment 1) $40.08 $68.00 1003.3-1991 (Test methods for measuring conformance to POSIX) $22.20 $37.00 [skipping FORTRAN] 9945-1:1990(E) (POSIX.1, C-API f. Sys. Application C) $54.00 $90.00 9945-2:1993(E) (POSIX.2 Shell and utilities) $111.00 $185.00 2003.1:1992(Test methods for measuring system conformance to POSIX part 1: System Integration)$57.60 $96.60 >NIST developed a compliance test suite for the U.S. Federal Information >Processing Standard. This is a superset of POSIX. They recently decided >to make it free, so that more people would implement POSIX. We think >that's a great idea, and we got right to work. Yes, I wholeheartily agree. [1] extrapolating from the standard prices [2] at least if you are a member, they are still cheap compared to the ISO/ITU-T prices... Thanks, David -- David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Microsoft isn't the answer...it's the QUESTION. Schlieren, Switzerland |``No'' is the answer. 51F35923114FC8647D05FF173C61EFDE|Use Debian GNU/Linux! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian + POSIX
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gith) > Is the Debian distribution going to push for POSIX conformity? Yes, because it just got easy and cheap. > I may be missing something here, ( I'm still a relative newbie > to Linux ) but what is the importance of it? After viewing the > Linux-FT web pages, the only good thing I can see about a Posix > certification is the right to go around patting yourself on the > back for having one. ( Just the feeling I got from the site. ) Actually, until recently you could only be POSIX compliant by paying a lot of money. You paid for copies of the standard, you paid for validation software, and you paid for a POSIX compliance lab to certify you. So it was a way for the well-funded commercial Linux projects to differentiate themselves from high-quality but underfunded efforts like Debian. Now, they will have to use the still-costly X/Open standards to differentiate themselves. NIST developed a compliance test suite for the U.S. Federal Information Processing Standard. This is a superset of POSIX. They recently decided to make it free, so that more people would implement POSIX. We think that's a great idea, and we got right to work. And now, the POSIX standard can be used for what it was intended for: insuring source-level compatibility across multiple software platforms. Thanks Bruce Perens Debian Project Leader -- Bruce Perens, Pixar Animation Studios *** "Toy Story" video tape in U.S. stores October 30 *** Worldwide box office total for "Toy Story": $353,275,005 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian + POSIX
Is the Debian distribution going to push for POSIX conformity? I may be missing something here, ( I'm still a relative newbie to Linux ) but what is the importance of it? After viewing the Linux-FT web pages, the only good thing I can see about a Posix certification is the right to go around patting yourself on the back for having one. ( Just the feeling I got from the site. ) Willie Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
