Re: Poll: Which Init-System should Debian use in the future?
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:36:07 + (GMT) Holger Vogt vogt_hol...@yahoo.de wrote: http://pollator.com/polls/which-init-system-should-debian-use-in-the-future/votes/new I didn't vote because openrc is not on list. openrc replaces sysv-rc and insserv not sysvinit so you could've voted for sysvinit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=syqrfxw4bvrvlkptmn1pofyah+t4pct+dk4bfuw4xm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Poll: Which Init-System should Debian use in the future?
Le 27.01.2014 13:36, Holger Vogt a écrit : I've found a interesting poll on heise.de (german it news) today. Its a survey which init system Debian Users would prefer for future releases. You can find the Poll here: http://pollator.com/polls/which-init-system-should-debian-use-in-the-future/votes/new The result is quite surprising. Not really. There is no identification, and a lot of trolls about systemd exists. Plus, lot of alternatives lacks. So, this poll, like so many others, just means nothing. One could easily vote multiple times ( by hand or with some code ). Someone else will just not mind about this internal detail. A last one will vote even if he does not like or use Debian. This poll is just useless and means just nothing. Finally, remember: _ next debian is not tomorrow, things ( people and softwares ) will evolve. _ Debian support more than one kernel. So, the main choice is not really important: alternatives will always be here, at least to support other kernels ( bsd and hurd for example ). _ Not all users choose what will be used in next Debian version. Only contributors (and probably only some of them). _ you use a poll. Why do not you use the statistics of popcon? As your poll, they are *not* precise ( every debian user does not contribute to them, or can simply give partial informations if noatime is on /usr, for example ), but at least they *might* have a real impact on Debian's future, and show evolutions in time: http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=sysvinit+systemdshow_installed=onshow_vote=onshow_old=onshow_recent=onshow_nofiles=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=onfrom_date=2011-01-01to_date=2014-01-29hlght_date=date_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1 The only conclusion you can have from this, is that sysvinit is for now by far more used. Using this one: http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=+systemdshow_installed=onshow_vote=onshow_old=onshow_recent=onshow_nofiles=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=onfrom_date=2013-07-01to_date=2014-01-29hlght_date=date_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1 Will show that systemd's userbase growth quickly since last debian stable. Now, we will see what it will become in some months, say, in 4 months, because it seems that the spring is not a long one, it already starts to growth slower, and this graph: http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=sysvinit+systemdshow_installed=onshow_vote=onshow_old=onshow_recent=onshow_nofiles=onwant_legend=onwant_ticks=onfrom_date=2013-07-01to_date=2014-01-29hlght_date=date_fmt=%25Y-%25mbeenhere=1 Shows that sysvinit still may still be readopted by some systemd users. Note that none of those graphs are actual proofs that one or the other is better than the other and as all statistics need to be interpreted carefully. Numbers can say what you prefer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/dcd716fc81d35691a84ee78ad1be5...@neutralite.org
Re: Poll: Which Init-System should Debian use in the future?
On Mi, 29 ian 14, 11:10:14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Note that none of those graphs are actual proofs that one or the other is better than the other and as all statistics need to be interpreted carefully. Numbers can say what you prefer. IMVHO it may also matter that upstart was impossible to experiment with without removing an Essential: yes package and even now it requires removal of another package. Compare this to just installing the systemd package (no conflicts) and booting with 'init=/bin/systemd'. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Poll: Which Init-System should Debian use in the future?
I've found a interesting poll on heise.de (german it news) today. Its a survey which init system Debian Users would prefer for future releases. You can find the Poll here: http://pollator.com/polls/which-init-system-should-debian-use-in-the-future/votes/new The result is quite surprising.
Re: Poll: Which Init-System should Debian use in the future?
Op Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:36:07 +0100 schreef Holger Vogt vogt_hol...@yahoo.de:http://pollator.com/polls/which-init-system-should-debian-use-in-the-future/votes/newfrom: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/...SpellingYes, it is written systemd, not system D or System D, or even SystemD. And it isn't system d either. Why? Because it's a system daemon, and under Unix/Linux those are in lower case, and get suffixed with a lower case d. And since systemd manages the system, it's called systemd. It's that simple. But then again, if all that appears too simple to you, call it (but never spell it!) System Five Hundred since D is the roman numeral for 500 (this also clarifies the relation to System V, right?). The only situation where we find it OK to use an uppercase letter in the name (but don't like it either) is if you start a sentence with systemd. On high holidays you may also spell it sÿstëmd. But then again, Système D is not an acceptable spelling and something completely different (though kinda fitting):-)
Re: Poll: Which Init-System should Debian use in the future?
Holger Vogt writes: I've found a interesting poll on heise.de (german it news) today. Its a survey which init system Debian Users would prefer for future releases. You can find the Poll here: http://pollator.com/polls/which-init-system-should-debian-use-in-the-future/votes/new Unless they clearly and completely document the dependencies description and make it easy to add something in the right place, I could switch to BSD... I admit, Freedesktop.org causes me Anaphylaxis... -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21222.23761.119012.220...@mail.eng.it
Re: Poll: Which Init-System should Debian use in the future?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:36:07 + (GMT) Holger Vogt vogt_hol...@yahoo.de wrote: I've found a interesting poll on heise.de (german it news) today. Its a survey which init system Debian Users would prefer for future releases. You can find the Poll here: http://pollator.com/polls/which-init-system-should-debian-use-in-the-future/votes/new The result is quite surprising. I didn't vote because openrc is not on list. -- Education is a process of making people see what is advanced and not obvious, but it can also make us not see what is basic and obvious. http://markorandjelovic.hopto.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140127160419.44c68...@eunet.rs
