Re: ISP and DNS port scanning!

2003-11-19 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:39:40PM -0600, Rthoreau wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:50:02PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote:
>  
> > >Looks like a ping (ICMP type 8).  Where do you get port scanning from?
> > >FWIW, I think that blocking pings via a firewall isn't recommended, but
> > >not sure why.
> 
> Jon wrote:
> 
> > It does not provide any kind of security or protection what-so-ever,
> > whilst removing the proper way of other people / you from elsewhere
> > determining if your connection is working ok.
> 
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> 
> What you have all said still does not sync,  when I look at the Notes provided 
> in my log I can see what you mean it is a type 8 icmp code 0. Or whatever you 
> say that means, but the destination is another DNS server.
> 
> This is a line taken from my my log again.
> 11/18/2003 14:53:24 Firewall default policy: ICMP (W to W/ZW, type:8, 
> code:0) 66.61.104.72    66.61.118.206   ACCESS BLOCK 14
> 
> Ok like I mentioned in my first post if I do a Arin Whois on address 
> 66.61.104.72 it tells me it is a DNS block.  When I do a Arin Whois on the 
> destination 66.61.118.206 it is another DNS block, both happen to belong to 
> my ISP but in different cities.  My cable modem action light is almost always 
> solid orange, which tells me I have a busy link even if I am not using the 
> net.
>  
> So why am I getting pinged by a DNS server?  Why are all the destinations 
> reported by my router log points to another DNS server?

You're confused.  All the whois tells you is that that the IP address
belongs to an ISP.  ISPs take large blocks of addresses to allocate to
their clients.  Nowhere does it say that the pinging host is a DNS
server.

A


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Re: ISP and DNS port scanning!

2003-11-18 Thread Rthoreau
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:50:02PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote:
 
> >Looks like a ping (ICMP type 8).  Where do you get port scanning from?
> >FWIW, I think that blocking pings via a firewall isn't recommended, but
> >not sure why.

Jon wrote:

> It does not provide any kind of security or protection what-so-ever,
> whilst removing the proper way of other people / you from elsewhere
> determining if your connection is working ok.

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What you have all said still does not sync,  when I look at the Notes provided 
in my log I can see what you mean it is a type 8 icmp code 0. Or whatever you 
say that means, but the destination is another DNS server.

This is a line taken from my my log again.
11/18/2003 14:53:24 Firewall default policy: ICMP (W to W/ZW, type:8, 
code:0) 66.61.104.72    66.61.118.206   ACCESS BLOCK 14

Ok like I mentioned in my first post if I do a Arin Whois on address 
66.61.104.72 it tells me it is a DNS block.  When I do a Arin Whois on the 
destination 66.61.118.206 it is another DNS block, both happen to belong to 
my ISP but in different cities.  My cable modem action light is almost always 
solid orange, which tells me I have a busy link even if I am not using the 
net.
 
So why am I getting pinged by a DNS server?  Why are all the destinations 
reported by my router log points to another DNS server?

Even if I forwarded the ping to a DMZ or a safe machine, it would not find the 
machine, since I do not have any access to that network block.  My Debian 
uses DHCP to log into my ISP through my router, my windows machine's use 
static IP's setup to log into my router.

My router is a Zyxel ZyWall 2xw with 802.11b for wireless clients.   I do not 
run any web, ftp, servers, and at the moment I do not have any ports 
forwarded to any machine.  Its like a default setup with a hardware firewall 
and no ports open to the outside world.  All passwords are changed, and wep 
is changed at a reasonable time frame.  Everything works great, except I keep 
getting those recorded in my log.

I could understand if the destination was my router, or a machine under the 
subnet but it is not.  Also the source machines seem to change unlike the 
destination machine.  

That is the reason I wanted to ask all of you, I really do not know why this 
is happening.

Rthoreau


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Re: ISP and DNS port scanning!

2003-11-18 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:50:02PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote:
 
> Looks like a ping (ICMP type 8).  Where do you get port scanning from?
> FWIW, I think that blocking pings via a firewall isn't recommended, but
> not sure why.

It does not provide any kind of security or protection what-so-ever,
whilst removing the proper way of other people / you from elsewhere
determining if your connection is working ok.

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Re: ISP and DNS port scanning!

2003-11-18 Thread David Palmer.
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:50:02 +
Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:43:15PM -0600, Rthoreau wrote:
> > Hello:  fellow Debian users
> > 
> > I was going over my router logs and noticed that I am getting port
> > scanned from my ISP, this has been happening for a while but I
> > haven't had the time to look into it untill now.  I did a basic
> > whois on the IP address and they show that it is my ISP, the
> > destination is a DNS server that belongs to my ISP.
> > 
> 
> Looks like a ping (ICMP type 8).  Where do you get port scanning from?
> FWIW, I think that blocking pings via a firewall isn't recommended,
> but not sure why.
> 
> A

You also get helpstaff at ISPs keeping you talking on line, while they
play games because they've learnt a little bit, and are bored out of
their skulls.
This has happened to me. He let too much slip in the conversation while
he was playing. Script kiddies.
Regards,

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Re: ISP and DNS port scanning!

2003-11-18 Thread Antony Gelberg
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 03:43:15PM -0600, Rthoreau wrote:
> Hello:  fellow Debian users
> 
> I was going over my router logs and noticed that I am getting port scanned 
> from my ISP, this has been happening for a while but I haven't had the time 
> to look into it untill now.  I did a basic whois on the IP address and they 
> show that it is my ISP, the destination is a DNS server that belongs to my 
> ISP.
> 

Looks like a ping (ICMP type 8).  Where do you get port scanning from?
FWIW, I think that blocking pings via a firewall isn't recommended, but
not sure why.

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ISP and DNS port scanning!

2003-11-18 Thread Rthoreau
Hello:  fellow Debian users

I was going over my router logs and noticed that I am getting port scanned 
from my ISP, this has been happening for a while but I haven't had the time 
to look into it untill now.  I did a basic whois on the IP address and they 
show that it is my ISP, the destination is a DNS server that belongs to my 
ISP.

I sent an E-mail to abuse to see what they are going to do about it, but I am 
in need of some knowledge?  Is this common? is the DNS server trying to 
collect or verify information on my system?  If so why?  

I did do a google search on DNS port scanning and denial of service, but did 
not turn up anything that would explain this.  That is why I am asking for 
your suggestions.  They seem to be sending it about every 30 seconds, so in 
effect they are using a denial of service against me.  Below is a few lines 
of my router log. 

In this format->  Time    Message Source  Destination Notes
 
11/18/2003 14:53:24 Firewall default policy: ICMP (W to W/ZW, type:8, 
code:0) 66.61.104.72    66.61.118.206   ACCESS BLOCK
14
11/18/2003 14:53:20 Firewall default policy: ICMP (W to W/ZW, 
type:8, 
code:0) 66.61.30.31 66.61.118.206   ACCESS BLOCK
15
11/18/2003 14:53:08 Firewall default policy: ICMP (W to W/ZW, 
type:8, 
code:0) 66.61.81.46 66.61.118.206   ACCESS BLOCK
16
11/18/2003 14:52:45 Firewall default policy: ICMP (W to W/ZW, 
type:8, 
code:0) 66.61.123.234   66.61.118.206   ACCESS BLOCK
17

If this is common would someone please point me to a source to get more 
information.

Thanks;

Rthoreau at iwon dot com


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Re: Checking port scanning?

2001-03-22 Thread Jim Richardson
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:20:42AM +0100, Frédéric de Villamil wrote:
> Hi dude
> just try porsentry, it's a nice scan detector
> but be carefull: if you use portsentry and nmap your owncomputer, you'll find 
> numerous ports open you don't use the services as portsentry watch many ports 
> by default
> have fun
> fred
> 


Portsentry is a nice start, but it misses a lot of stuff. Snort is much
better, but is more work to configure. 
 Big problem with portsentry is that it binds to the ports, and makes it
appear that a particular exploit might be running on your machine, this
is like blood in the water to the dumber variety of script kiddies. (the
vaguely smarter ones figure out that an ip with a dozen backdoor
exploits is probably not really running them)

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Re: Checking port scanning?

2001-03-22 Thread Daniel Sand
Re,

"Noah L. Meyerhans" wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 08:31:53AM -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
>
> > You may also want to try iplogger.  Not only will this show ALL the ports in
> > use, not just the ones you select in portsentry.  Also, portsentry actually
> > listens on those ports it is monitoring, so if you nmap yourself for
> > security leaks, you'll see a plethora of ports open, don't freak.
>
> IIRC iplogger was obsoleted by ippl.  There were some issues with remote
> DoS attacks against hosts running iplogger.  Ippl took care of those and
> provides a more flexible logging mechanism.  Ippl is one of the very
> first packages I install on any Debian box in my control.  Once you've
> configured it right (i.e. told it not to log normal traffic like smtp
> connections) the output can be very interesting.
>

you even should try snort. even a nice choice for port scanning and other 
strange
attacks against your system

MfG Daniel



Re: Checking port scanning?

2001-03-22 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 08:31:53AM -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
 
> You may also want to try iplogger.  Not only will this show ALL the ports in
> use, not just the ones you select in portsentry.  Also, portsentry actually
> listens on those ports it is monitoring, so if you nmap yourself for
> security leaks, you'll see a plethora of ports open, don't freak.

IIRC iplogger was obsoleted by ippl.  There were some issues with remote
DoS attacks against hosts running iplogger.  Ippl took care of those and
provides a more flexible logging mechanism.  Ippl is one of the very
first packages I install on any Debian box in my control.  Once you've
configured it right (i.e. told it not to log normal traffic like smtp
connections) the output can be very interesting.

I could be mistaken, and confusing iplogger with some other package, but
I don't think so.

noah

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Re: Checking port scanning?

2001-03-22 Thread Alson van der Meulen
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 08:31:53AM -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
> > just try porsentry, it's a nice scan detector
> > but be carefull: if you use portsentry and nmap your owncomputer,
> > you'll find
> > numerous ports open you don't use the services as portsentry
> > watch many ports
> >
> > On Thursday 22 March 2001 01:35, Lars Jensen wrote:
> > > How do I check if someone is scanning my ports, or hammering a certain
> > > port with requests?
> 
> You may also want to try iplogger.  Not only will this show ALL the ports in
> use, not just the ones you select in portsentry.  Also, portsentry actually
> listens on those ports it is monitoring, so if you nmap yourself for
> security leaks, you'll see a plethora of ports open, don't freak.
ippl is the replacement for iplogger iirc, ippl is more configurable
and better then iplogger.

use ippl instead.

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RE: Checking port scanning?

2001-03-22 Thread Brooks R. Robinson
> just try porsentry, it's a nice scan detector
> but be carefull: if you use portsentry and nmap your owncomputer,
> you'll find
> numerous ports open you don't use the services as portsentry
> watch many ports
>
> On Thursday 22 March 2001 01:35, Lars Jensen wrote:
> > How do I check if someone is scanning my ports, or hammering a certain
> > port with requests?

You may also want to try iplogger.  Not only will this show ALL the ports in
use, not just the ones you select in portsentry.  Also, portsentry actually
listens on those ports it is monitoring, so if you nmap yourself for
security leaks, you'll see a plethora of ports open, don't freak.

HTH,

Brooks



Re: Checking port scanning?

2001-03-22 Thread Frédéric de Villamil
Hi dude
just try porsentry, it's a nice scan detector
but be carefull: if you use portsentry and nmap your owncomputer, you'll find 
numerous ports open you don't use the services as portsentry watch many ports 
by default
have fun
fred

On Thursday 22 March 2001 01:35, Lars Jensen wrote:
> How do I check if someone is scanning my ports, or hammering a certain
> port with requests?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Lars.
>
> %%%
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Re: Checking port scanning?

2001-03-21 Thread John Galt

jail, ippl, or another icmp event logger.

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Lars Jensen wrote:

>
>How do I check if someone is scanning my ports, or hammering a certain
>port with requests?
>
>Thanks for any help,
>Lars.
>
>%%%
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>
>
>

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Re: Checking port scanning?

2001-03-21 Thread Tomaas Ortega
i use an application called portsentry made by psionic software

logs to my syslog
if im getting hammered it gets ip and server names
quite a nifty little app
and very easy to use and install



Checking port scanning?

2001-03-21 Thread Lars Jensen

How do I check if someone is scanning my ports, or hammering a certain
port with requests?

Thanks for any help,
Lars.

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Re: Port Scanning

1999-08-06 Thread Nathan Duehr
Depends on where you live.  Usually yes.  In Colorado, USA it's a
misdemeanor crime.

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Stephan Weaver wrote:

> I was just wondering if portscanning was illegal?
> 
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I was just wondering if portscanning was illegal?

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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-25 Thread Martin Bialasinski
Graham Lillico +44 1785 248131 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Just a quick question regarding port scanning, how do you tell that you have
> been scanned
> I assume it shows up in the log files.

The package courtney can do this monitoring. It will report to syslog and
also mail root about an incident.
Also xinetd (and maybe inetd as well, don't know) can report any
connection made to the system.

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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-25 Thread Adam Shand
> Just a quick question regarding port scanning, how do you tell that you have
> been scanned
> I assume it shows up in the log files.

not necessarily.  if you are running tcplogd (from the iplogger package)
then you get a line like below for every tcp (this does NOT get ucp or
icmp packets) connection to your host:

Feb 25 01:12:01 badger tcplogd: 
smtp connection attempt from nowhere.org

tcpwrappers will also log connections to services and attempt to ident the
user at the host the request came from (though ident requests are easily
forged).

Feb 22 12:19:50 badger wu-ftpd[5222]: 
connect from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

the only *real* way to enable firewalling in your kernel and write a
firewall using ipfwadm.  the key for logging is a line like this at the
end of your allow list:

ipfwadm -I -a deny -S $ANYWHERE -D $HOST -o

where $ANYWHERE = 0.0.0.0/0 and $HOST = your ip

with this setup you can log basically any connection, and in fact if you
want to can even log traffic that was broadcast on the same segment but
wasn't actually for you (so you can watch for people sending RFC1918
addresses).

> Alos if you decide to implement a firewall then you might want to check
> out TIS at www.tis.com (if i remember correctly) as the do a free
> firewall toolkit, you may also want to check out the socks package as
> well. 

the tis stuff and socks isn't really for protecting a host, they are for
protecting a network behind a host which is acting as a
router/gateway/proxy.

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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-25 Thread Graham Lillico +44 1785 248131
>> I think you could design a perl script or some kind of script for that if a
>> icmp/udp/tcp is being done to your system at x amount of time you could use
>> ipfwadm to block it. ipfwadm is a very powerful tool. I used to be port
>> scanned daily and icmp attack, use ipfwadm to block it. 
>> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > > > Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my
system ?
>> > > > I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !
>> > > 
>> > > Firewalling or tcp_wrappers configured the right way.

Just a quick question regarding port scanning, how do you tell that you have
been scanned
I assume it shows up in the log files.

Alos if you decide to implement a firewall then you might want to check out TIS
at www.tis.com (if i remember correctly) as the do a free firewall toolkit, you
may also want to check out the socks package as well.

Regards

Graham
>> > 
>> > tcp-wrappers will not stop you from being scanned.  even if the port is
>> > wrapped it will still show up as an open port to a scan.  you also can't
>> > wrap udp services.
>> > 
>> > if you are paranoid enough that this is an issue i suggest you break out
>> > a firewall book and ipfwadm and decide who exactly you want to be able to
>> > talk to what on your box.
>> > 
>> > > There is nmap in hamm that does the port scanning.
>> > 
>> > there is also strobe that comes with the netdiag package... it's very
>> > good.
>> > 
>> > adam.
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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-25 Thread Chi Wong
I think you could design a perl script or some kind of script for that if a
icmp/udp/tcp is being done to your system at x amount of time you could use
ipfwadm to block it. ipfwadm is a very powerful tool. I used to be port
scanned daily and icmp attack, use ipfwadm to block it. 

> 
> 
> > > Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ?
> > > I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !
> > 
> > Firewalling or tcp_wrappers configured the right way.
> 
> tcp-wrappers will not stop you from being scanned.  even if the port is
> wrapped it will still show up as an open port to a scan.  you also can't
> wrap udp services.
> 
> if you are paranoid enough that this is an issue i suggest you break out
> a firewall book and ipfwadm and decide who exactly you want to be able to
> talk to what on your box.
> 
> > There is nmap in hamm that does the port scanning.
> 
> there is also strobe that comes with the netdiag package... it's very
> good.
> 
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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-25 Thread Pure Energy
On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Ian Eure wrote:

> You might want to look at Abacus Sentry- you can get it from www.psionic.com
> 
> matthew tebbens wrote:
> 
> > Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ?
> > I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !
> >
> > I heard that there is a portscand out there somewhere, if so where ?


I downloaded, went over the README, configured, ran make, *and* did a few
quick tests of the Abacus Sentry program tonight in 10 minutes. It's easy
to setup and works great. 

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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-25 Thread Adam Shand

> > Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ?
> > I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !
> 
> Firewalling or tcp_wrappers configured the right way.

tcp-wrappers will not stop you from being scanned.  even if the port is
wrapped it will still show up as an open port to a scan.  you also can't
wrap udp services.

if you are paranoid enough that this is an issue i suggest you break out
a firewall book and ipfwadm and decide who exactly you want to be able to
talk to what on your box.

> There is nmap in hamm that does the port scanning.

there is also strobe that comes with the netdiag package... it's very
good.

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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-24 Thread wingman

 
 > Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ?
 > I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !
 > 
 > I heard that there is a portscand out there somewhere, if so where ?


There is a nice little package called abacus-sentry that runs as a daemon
and watches for this type of stuff. Once it detects an "attack" it can
either auto drop route to the offender and /or add a ipfwadm firewall
rule. It works pretty good here and is very configurable as to what
actions it takes and what port ranges you want to watch for.

More information and its capabilities are available at
http://www.psionic.com.
 

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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-24 Thread Tim Sailer
matthew tebbens wrote:
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> 
> Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ?
> I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !

Firewalling or tcp_wrappers configured the right way.

> I heard that there is a portscand out there somewhere, if so where ?

There is nmap in hamm that does the port scanning.

Tim

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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-24 Thread Ian Eure
You might want to look at Abacus Sentry- you can get it from www.psionic.com

matthew tebbens wrote:

> Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ?
> I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !
>
> I heard that there is a portscand out there somewhere, if so where ?
>
> Thanks,
> Matthew
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Re: Port Scanning

1998-02-24 Thread Thomas Lakofski
On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, matthew tebbens wrote:

> Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ?
> I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !
> 
> I heard that there is a portscand out there somewhere, if so where ?

You can't stop them beforehand.  You can prevent access subsequently with
ipfwadm and a kernel with firewalling compiled into it (prevent access
from just that host, or that subnet).

If you're very paranoid you could set up your firewall to deny all
services by default and only let in connections on services which you feel
are essential.  If cracking is actively occurring, contact their provider
to have them thrown off and/or prosecuted, and probably switch to ssh
exclusively for remote login and switch off telnet, ftp, imap, rlogin,
rexec, etc. etc.

Probably, the worst that they're doing is growing your logfiles because
you've got iplogger installed.

Thomas.


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Port Scanning

1998-02-24 Thread matthew tebbens

Is there anything out there to stop people from port scanning my system ?
I had someone last night scan my system from port 1 to 50,000 !

I heard that there is a portscand out there somewhere, if so where ?

Thanks,
Matthew


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