Progeny Debian 1.0 released
Media Contact: Aaron Stenhoff Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. (317) 833-0313 (ext. 137) [EMAIL PROTECTED] PROGENY LINUX SYSTEMS ROLLS OUT PROGENY DEBIAN Enhanced Version of Debian Available for Download INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana - April 9, 2001 - Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. announces the release of the first edition of Progeny Debian. The download edition is available now at www.progeny.com/download. The boxed set will be available on April 23rd. Progeny Debian was developed in cooperation with Debian GNU/Linux, founded by Ian Murdock, President and CEO of Progeny Linux Systems. The company includes a number of leading Debian developers who are led by CTO John H. Hartman, a prominent expert in operating systems. Progeny Debian provides an enhanced feature set that includes easy graphical installation, hardware detection support, and improved configuration and management tools. Other additions include improved USB support and an auto-install feature for streamlining multiple installations. Most of Progeny's enhancements have already been contributed back to the Debian development tree, and the remainder will be as time permits. All of the software in Progeny Debian is licensed under terms compatible with the Debian Free Software Guidelines[1], including all changes, updates, and new packages Progeny has created. The boxed set will offer a 90-day subscription to the Progeny Service Network and 30 days of telephone installation support. Progeny Service Network provides timely, secured software updates seamlessly to corporate customers. The service includes free e-mail assistance and various support levels depending on the customers' needs. In addition to providing Progeny Debian, the archive.progeny.com site hosts a full mirror of the Debian package archives. We welcome downloads of Debian and Progeny Debian alike. Progeny Linux Systems would like to extend its thanks to the Debian user and development community; their contributions and hard work over the past several years have made Debian GNU/Linux an outstanding foundation upon which to base a commercial product. Progeny looks forward to continued collaboration with the Free Software community and the Debian Project. [1] Netscape Communicator 4.76 is the only exception to this rule; it is included due to its continuing popularity and inertia, with freely-licensed graphical web browsers (such as Mozilla and Konqueror, both available with Progeny Debian) only recently able to compete favorably in terms of stability and feature set. -- Branden Robinson | GPG signed/encrypted mail welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1024D/9C0BCBFB Senior Software Developer | D5F6 D4C9 E25B 3D37 068C Progeny Linux Systems | 72E8 0F42 191A 9C0B CBFB
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
Previously Branden Robinson wrote: > Media Contact: > Aaron Stenhoff > Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. > (317) 833-0313 (ext. 137) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, do we get $1k for posting an advertisement now? Wichert. -- / Generally uninteresting signature - ignore at your convenience \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/ | | 1024D/2FA3BC2D 576E 100B 518D 2F16 36B0 2805 3CB8 9250 2FA3 BC2D |
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:53:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Branden Robinson wrote: > > Media Contact: > > Aaron Stenhoff > > Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. > > (317) 833-0313 (ext. 137) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > So, do we get $1k for posting an advertisement now? Just out of curiousity, has the $1000 that Progeny donated to Debian been deposited yet? Progeny is freely available for download. This is noted in the announcement. Does that constitute spam? Progeny has a full Debian mirror with a significant amount of bandwidth that may be useful to North American users. This is noted in the announcement. Does that constitute spam? When I announce experimental .debs of XFree86, does that constitute spam? Since this message is mentioning all of the above, does it constitute spam? > In addition to providing Progeny Debian, the archive.progeny.com site hosts > a full mirror of the Debian package archives. We welcome downloads of > Debian and Progeny Debian alike. If you think the announcement is nothing but spam/crap/BS, send Progeny a bill. If you don't ever want announcements from Progeny on any subject posted to any Debian mailing list ever again, speak up now. -- G. Branden Robinson | A celibate clergy is an especially good Debian GNU/Linux| idea, because it tends to suppress any [EMAIL PROTECTED] | hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. http://www.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Carl Sagan pgpNI660cGaST.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 11:13:42AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:53:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Previously Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Media Contact: > > > Aaron Stenhoff > > > Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. > > > (317) 833-0313 (ext. 137) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > So, do we get $1k for posting an advertisement now? > > Just out of curiousity, has the $1000 that Progeny donated to Debian been > deposited yet? > > Progeny is freely available for download. This is noted in the > announcement. Does that constitute spam? > > Progeny has a full Debian mirror with a significant amount of bandwidth > that may be useful to North American users. This is noted in the > announcement. Does that constitute spam? > > When I announce experimental .debs of XFree86, does that constitute spam? > > Since this message is mentioning all of the above, does it constitute spam? > > > In addition to providing Progeny Debian, the archive.progeny.com site hosts > > a full mirror of the Debian package archives. We welcome downloads of > > Debian and Progeny Debian alike. > > If you think the announcement is nothing but spam/crap/BS, send Progeny a > bill. > > If you don't ever want announcements from Progeny on any subject posted to > any Debian mailing list ever again, speak up now. > I'm guessing Wichert was kidding? I'm one that hopes so. kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you don't ever want announcements from Progeny on any subject posted to > any Debian mailing list ever again, speak up now. And then I didn't write my oppinion on the subject. I have no problem giving Progeny a 100% reduce for sending Debian-related advertisement as mentioned at the end of the section about "Debian mailing list advertising policy" (Well I forgot to provide an URL to the stuff I quoted before. It's all on http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ )
RE: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
> Previously Branden Robinson wrote: > > Media Contact: > > Aaron Stenhoff > > Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. > > (317) 833-0313 (ext. 137) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > So, do we get $1k for posting an advertisement now? > > Wichert. This is from http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ - Debian mailing list advertising policy This policy is intended to fight mailing-list "spamming". The Debian mailing lists accept commercial advertising for payment. The fee for advertisments is a donation of USD 1000 or more to "Software in the Public Interest" (SPI). One donation per advertisement, please. If you prefer to pay in arrears, simply post your advertisement to the list, and the list operator will bill you USD 1999. The list operator will donate this amount, minus the expense of collecting it, to SPI. Please note that the lists are distributed automatically -- messages are generally not read or checked in any way before they are distributed. The act of posting an advertisement indicates your willingness to accept responsibility for the fee, indemnify the list operator against any legal claims from you or others in connection with your advertisement, and pay any legal and business expenses incurred in collecting late payment. Our liability to you is limited to a good-faith effort to deliver your message. Reduced rates and/or waiver of fee are available for Debian-related advertisements. You must consult the list operator in advance of posting for any reduction or fee waiver. - So, perhaps the fee should be $1999 USD (shouldn't this go up by year, so maybe $2001). However, this is Debian related, so perhaps a fee waiver is in order (after all Ian Murdock is the guy in charge). Brooks
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:13:42 -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If you don't ever want announcements from Progeny on any subject posted to >any Debian mailing list ever again, speak up now. You desparately need to get your irony/tongue-in-cheek detector adjusted. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
I for one, do not consider announcements regarding Progeny to be spam. I applaud Progeny for the contributions they are making to Debian and I consider announcements such as this to be equivalent to announcements of potato or woody being released. -- Charles Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] 817-556-4720 > If you don't ever want announcements from Progeny on any subject posted to > any Debian mailing list ever again, speak up now. >
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:53:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Branden Robinson wrote: > > Media Contact: > > Aaron Stenhoff > > Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. > > (317) 833-0313 (ext. 137) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > So, do we get $1k for posting an advertisement now? We thought that this would be something that Debian people generally would be interested in, which is why we posted it. If you would rather not, then that's fine; we won't bother you all on the lists anymore. We've already donated some resources to Debian, and plan to donate more; we financed the development of the XFree86 4.0 packages, and we're working on a very well-connected Debian mirror (as two instances). Perhaps we could take a $1000 credit for "services rendered" or "services to be rendered"? :-)
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
As far as I am concerned and as far as I know, progeny is as debian as any other one. Charles Lewis wrote: > > I for one, do not consider announcements regarding Progeny to be spam. I > applaud Progeny for the contributions they are making to Debian and I > consider announcements such as this to be equivalent to announcements of > potato or woody being released. > > -- > Charles Lewis > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 817-556-4720 > > > If you don't ever want announcements from Progeny on any subject posted to > > any Debian mailing list ever again, speak up now. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:30:52PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:53:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Previously Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Media Contact: > > > Aaron Stenhoff > > > Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. > > > (317) 833-0313 (ext. 137) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > So, do we get $1k for posting an advertisement now? > > We thought that this would be something that Debian people generally > would be interested in, which is why we posted it. If you would > rather not, then that's fine; we won't bother you all on the lists > anymore. Is is interesting to various people on the lists. Please keep sending them. For me it is enough that it is based on Debian to qualify as Debian related and hence OK for the lists. It's not like we get our in boxes filled with useless stuff from Progeny all day long. One important message won't kill us. -Nathan > > We've already donated some resources to Debian, and plan to donate > more; we financed the development of the XFree86 4.0 packages, and > we're working on a very well-connected Debian mirror (as two > instances). Perhaps we could take a $1000 credit for "services > rendered" or "services to be rendered"? :-) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:53:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> So, do we get $1k for posting an advertisement now? > >We thought that this would be something that Debian people generally >would be interested in, which is why we posted it. If you would >rather not, then that's fine; we won't bother you all on the lists >anymore. Wichert doesn't represent all Debian developers... if you posted this a few weeks ago he kind of would have though ;) Mike.
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:13:42 -0500 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:53:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Previously Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Media Contact: > > > Aaron Stenhoff > > > Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. > > > (317) 833-0313 (ext. 137) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > So, do we get $1k for posting an advertisement now? > > [snip: plasmatic flaming from Branden] I thought this was supposed to be a joke..? Regards, Alex.
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
From: Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We thought that this would be something that Debian people generally > would be interested in, which is why we posted it. If you would > rather not, then that's fine; we won't bother you all on the lists > anymore. I don't consider it to be spam. If it wasn't posted here, I would not have know. Please continue posting major announcenments here. CH
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > As far as I am concerned and as far as I know, progeny is as debian as > any other one. Ah, the good "Inside we're all the same" applied to (Debian-based) Linux distributions. Right on! Cheers, Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/ Geek Code (3.1): GCS/SS d-@ s+: a20 C++@ UL++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o? K? !W O? M? V? PS++@ PE+(-) Y+ P?(+++) t+ 5+ X- R? !tv b+ DI+ D- G e>+++ h-- r- !y+
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
Same from me. For historical and reality reasons, progeny is as much part of debian as debian itself. Lets not forget that the accomplishments of Progeny become available to Debian. And we all serve the same community: Humanity. Please continue posting. Antonio R. Chris Howells wrote: > > From: Jeff Licquia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > We thought that this would be something that Debian people generally > > would be interested in, which is why we posted it. If you would > > rather not, then that's fine; we won't bother you all on the lists > > anymore. > > I don't consider it to be spam. If it wasn't posted here, I would not have > know. Please continue posting major announcenments here. > > CH > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 07:07:40AM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > Same from me. For historical and reality reasons, progeny is as much > part of debian as debian itself. Lets not forget that the > accomplishments of Progeny become available to Debian. And we all serve > the same community: Humanity. > Please continue posting. > Antonio R. As long as Debian isn't going anywhere now that the Ian from Debian works for Progeny, I'm happy. :) Mike, RedHat/Mandrake convert -- Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925
Re: Progeny Debian 1.0 released *vote?*
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