Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:00:02 +0100 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: What is a SIG? Special Interest Group Is it an Americanism? Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ak9kurfnon...@mid.individual.net
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Tom H wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Tom H wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: What is a SIG? It's a Fedora-ism: special interest group. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:SIGs Sorry. Term predates Linus Torvalds let alone Fedora ;) IIRC I came across it as an engineering student in the early 60's. Of course, but within Linux distributions, it's a Fedora thing. I respectfully disagree. Special Interest Groups, SIGs, have been around for a very long time. Fedora may also use the term and may be keeping it warm these days but the use of it has been in general computing for decades. Many of these are quite well known conferences. (Anyone been to a SIGGRAPH lately?) For example these and this is just one association. There are many others too. I was simply making the point that, when the OP mentioning SIGs within the context of his issue with Debian documentation and of a Linux distribution, I understood his reference to be the Fedora definition of SIG, nothing more and nothing less. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SzvK-+cL2DGbq=-fgpzmfjue4frkqvypxfxdmxy0k2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 06:53:26AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: But the underlying problem is lack of manpower. How do you[1] expect to solve it without getting involved? [1] and I mean you personally, the Debian Project is already trying to attract more contributors. See for example the General Resolution to welcome non-packaging contributors http://www.debian.org/vote/2010/vote_002 ... In response to Andrei and Chris: ... I'm making a list of problems using Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide. If/when I find the problem is the guide, not myself, I will submit specific bug reports. But in itself that will not prevent other symptoms of the same underlying problem. Also, please consider reading debian-b...@lists.debian.org (working on boot itself) debian-...@lists.debian.org (release note etc.) mailing list. We do not have SIG but have mailing list. The response I had hoped for was on the lines of there's a SIG for documentation which you can contact at If one does not exist I've some ideas, but I hate reinventing the wheel if it already exists. Then please do not make separate list. Use usertag to track it by filing solution with patch :-) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121219121527.GB5762@goofy.localdomain
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:30:35 -0600 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Hello Richard, Special Interest Group Is it an Americanism? It's a TLA, or Three Letter Acronym. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent It's becoming an obsession Teenage Depression - Eddie The Hot Rods signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:30:35 -0600 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Hello Richard, Special Interest Group Is it an Americanism? It's a TLA, or Three Letter Acronym. True. But I suspected that I I was being gently chided for assuming everybody had the same same background as I. If I'm going to claim that the documentation has a specific problem, I should be careful of my own writing (http://lists.debian.org/50cb100c.3040...@cloud85.net) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50d0506b.3010...@cloud85.net
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Du, 16 dec 12, 06:53:26, Richard Owlett wrote: The response I had hoped for was on the lines of there's a SIG for documentation which you can contact at What is a SIG? It's a Fedora-ism: special interest group. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:SIGs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=szqt42rdfm14qhhm5hrdrermysuu_q94puxkptjpau...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
Tom H wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Du, 16 dec 12, 06:53:26, Richard Owlett wrote: The response I had hoped for was on the lines of there's a SIG for documentation which you can contact at What is a SIG? It's a Fedora-ism: special interest group. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:SIGs Sorry. Term predates Linus Torvalds let alone Fedora ;) IIRC I came across it as an engineering student in the early 60's. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50d0672e.6090...@cloud85.net
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:15:55 -0600 Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Hello Richard, True. But I suspected that I I was being gently chided for assuming everybody had the same same background as I. I didn't get that impression. But hey, it's not my rep that on the line, potentially. :-) -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Is she really going out with him? New Rose - The Damned signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: What is a SIG? It's a Fedora-ism: special interest group. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:SIGs Sorry. Term predates Linus Torvalds let alone Fedora ;) IIRC I came across it as an engineering student in the early 60's. Of course, but within Linux distributions, it's a Fedora thing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Syo+rOpcShWhU3U7oE-=C=4vudbm4d0vcxdgyegqgg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Tuesday 18 December 2012 12:12:01 Brad Rogers wrote: True. But I suspected that I I was being gently chided for assuming everybody had the same same background as I. I didn't get that impression. But hey, it's not my rep that on the line, potentially. :-) I did, I'm afraid! After all, it is easy enough to look SIG up on acronymfinder and find out what it means. Andrei knows this perfectly well; so I took it that he was gently chiding Richard for using jargon - or an acronym specialised in some other way. And gently suggesting that Richard ought to have written the words! IMVHO. TIA. TTFN! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212181408.08725.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:08:08 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Lisi, I did, I'm afraid! After all, it is easy enough to look SIG up on acronymfinder and find out what it means. Andrei knows this perfectly True, but even within context, it's sometimes tricky pinpointing the right meaning. Possibly not in this case, though. I didn't go to acronym finder to check. ought to have written the words! IMVHO. Opinions are like. No, I can't. :-) -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Stained glass windows keep the cold outside Religion - Public Image Ltd signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Tuesday 18 December 2012 14:36:49 Brad Rogers wrote: I did, I'm afraid! After all, it is easy enough to look SIG up on acronymfinder and find out what it means. Andrei knows this perfectly True, but even within context, it's sometimes tricky pinpointing the right meaning. Possibly not in this case, though. In this case it was easy. I had to do it! But I very much take your point. It is sometimes frustratingly and terminally difficult. And I often end up no wiser than I was when I started. :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201212181456.50883.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Lu, 17 dec 12, 18:30:35, Richard Owlett wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 16 dec 12, 06:53:26, Richard Owlett wrote: The response I had hoped for was on the lines of there's a SIG for documentation which you can contact at What is a SIG? Special Interest Group Is it an Americanism? No idea, but the entry on the Wikipedia disambiguation page didn't ring a bell (the first page of the Google search seemed to indicate Software Improvement Group), and I wasn't sure what you meant. Hope this explains, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Ma, 18 dec 12, 14:08:08, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2012 12:12:01 Brad Rogers wrote: True. But I suspected that I I was being gently chided for assuming everybody had the same same background as I. I didn't get that impression. But hey, it's not my rep that on the line, potentially. :-) I did, I'm afraid! After all, it is easy enough to look SIG up on acronymfinder and find out what it means. Andrei knows this perfectly well; so I took it that he was gently chiding Richard for using jargon - or an Definitely not! My quick search was not conclusive so I thought I better ask ;) acronym specialised in some other way. And gently suggesting that Richard ought to have written the words! IMVHO. TIA. TTFN! He, he, wtf (package bsdgames) knows about these two and IMHO (but not IMVHO). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
Tom H wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Tom H wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: What is a SIG? It's a Fedora-ism: special interest group. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:SIGs Sorry. Term predates Linus Torvalds let alone Fedora ;) IIRC I came across it as an engineering student in the early 60's. Of course, but within Linux distributions, it's a Fedora thing. I respectfully disagree. Special Interest Groups, SIGs, have been around for a very long time. Fedora may also use the term and may be keeping it warm these days but the use of it has been in general computing for decades. Many of these are quite well known conferences. (Anyone been to a SIGGRAPH lately?) For example these and this is just one association. There are many others too. http://www.acm.org/sigs/ Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Du, 16 dec 12, 06:53:26, Richard Owlett wrote: The response I had hoped for was on the lines of there's a SIG for documentation which you can contact at What is a SIG? If one does not exist I've some ideas, but I hate reinventing the wheel if it already exists. AFAIK (but did not look into it) the Installation Guide is maintained by the Debian Installer developers (to be found on debian-boot). All other documentation is discussed on debian-doc. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 16 dec 12, 06:53:26, Richard Owlett wrote: The response I had hoped for was on the lines of there's a SIG for documentation which you can contact at What is a SIG? Special Interest Group Is it an Americanism? If one does not exist I've some ideas, but I hate reinventing the wheel if it already exists. AFAIK (but did not look into it) the Installation Guide is maintained by the Debian Installer developers (to be found on debian-boot). All other documentation is discussed on debian-doc. Thank you. Kind regards, Andrei -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50cfb92b.40...@cloud85.net
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 dec 12, 07:50:29, Richard Owlett wrote: If by raising the issue you mean do the proof-reading yourself and then report problems, by all means, just go ahead. Or, even better, you could submit patches. I see a bug report as treating an individual symptom rather than solving the underlying problem. But the underlying problem is lack of manpower. How do you[1] expect to solve it without getting involved? [1] and I mean you personally, the Debian Project is already trying to attract more contributors. See for example the General Resolution to welcome non-packaging contributors http://www.debian.org/vote/2010/vote_002 Kind regards, Andrei In response to Andrei and Chris: Back in my youth we said if you're not part of the solution you are (part of) the problem. We are on the same page with that issue. I'm making a list of problems using Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide. If/when I find the problem is the guide, not myself, I will submit specific bug reports. But in itself that will not prevent other symptoms of the same underlying problem. The response I had hoped for was on the lines of there's a SIG for documentation which you can contact at If one does not exist I've some ideas, but I hate reinventing the wheel if it already exists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50cdc446.9000...@cloud85.net
Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Vi, 14 dec 12, 07:50:29, Richard Owlett wrote: If by raising the issue you mean do the proof-reading yourself and then report problems, by all means, just go ahead. Or, even better, you could submit patches. I see a bug report as treating an individual symptom rather than solving the underlying problem. But the underlying problem is lack of manpower. How do you[1] expect to solve it without getting involved? [1] and I mean you personally, the Debian Project is already trying to attract more contributors. See for example the General Resolution to welcome non-packaging contributors http://www.debian.org/vote/2010/vote_002 Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 14 dec 12, 05:39:56, Richard Owlett wrote:
I think I see a common thread in the preseed related problems I've
been having.
Who proofreads the Debian documentation? I suspect it tends to be
the author {as should happen} and other Debian *EXPERTS* {which is a
too narrow classification}. I had that fallacy demonstrated over 40
years ago when I wrote my first test procedure. Corporate policy was
to have someone unrelated to the project test the test procedure
before giving it to the production test technicians.
Yes, this makes sense.
I had
unconsciously written into the procedure my particular path of
experience. Where should I raise this issue? I occasionally run into
the same apparent issue with the debian.org website.
If by raising the issue you mean do the proof-reading yourself and
then report problems, by all means, just go ahead. Or, even better, you
could submit patches.
I see a bug report as treating an individual symptom rather
than solving the underlying problem.
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Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 07:50:29AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: I see a bug report as treating an individual symptom rather than solving the underlying problem. So just leave it for someone else to suffer through as well? You could treat the underlying problem. as a different bug, and offer to do something about it, Debian is a volunteer effort. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121215073702.GB18211@tal
