Re: Threading (was: QCAD Pro in Squeeze)
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI writes: > On Ter, 21 Jun 2011, Alberto Luaces wrote: >> Camaleón writes: >> But at least you did not reply to a digest. >>> >>> Sure. I'd say digests are for reading more than replying. >> >> In addition, there are some MUAs that can extract individual messages >> from digests. Emacs gnus does this. > > But does it set proper References headers so as not to break > threading, or does it just strip unnecessary quoted text and sets a > proper Subject header? (Which are good things, but not sufficient.) It reads the Message-ID: header from the original message and writes it as References: in the reply. -- Alberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k4cewcrl@eps142.cdf.udc.es
Re: Threading (was: QCAD Pro in Squeeze)
On Ter, 21 Jun 2011, Alberto Luaces wrote: Camaleón writes: But at least you did not reply to a digest. Sure. I'd say digests are for reading more than replying. In addition, there are some MUAs that can extract individual messages from digests. Emacs gnus does this. But does it set proper References headers so as not to break threading, or does it just strip unnecessary quoted text and sets a proper Subject header? (Which are good things, but not sufficient.) -- I've already got a female to worry about. Her name is the Enterprise. -- Kirk, "The Corbomite Maneuver", stardate 1514.0 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110621132733.153943pcnpq9q...@mail.kalinowski.com.br
Re: Threading (was: QCAD Pro in Squeeze)
Camaleón writes: >> But at least you did not reply to a digest. > > Sure. I'd say digests are for reading more than replying. In addition, there are some MUAs that can extract individual messages from digests. Emacs gnus does this. -- Alberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hb7j2luw@eps142.cdf.udc.es
Re: QCAD Pro in Squeeze
Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:45:33 -0800, peasthope wrote: RibbonSoft notes that QCAD Pro worked in Debian 3.1 and 4.0. Is anyone using it in 6, Squeeze? I'm wondering whether to stick with Generic CADD 6.1 purchased years ago or switch to QCAD Pro 2.2. Recommendations appreciated. JFYI, for a 2D CAD application there is also DraftSight. I've not tested, but I remember it was mentioned in the news months ago... http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software/ And there is also Briscad but may be a bit expensive for home users: http://www.bricscad.com/en_INTL/ I've also used various CAD programs through WINE with decent success in the past. Codeweavers has a list here: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=category&iId=59&sAction=view&sTitle=Browse+Applications keep in mind that some programs are dated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e00b113.9030...@gmail.com
Re: QCAD Pro in Squeeze
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:45:33 -0800, peasthope wrote: > RibbonSoft notes that QCAD Pro worked in Debian 3.1 and 4.0. Is anyone > using it in 6, Squeeze? I'm wondering whether to stick with Generic > CADD 6.1 purchased years ago or switch to QCAD Pro 2.2. Recommendations > appreciated. JFYI, for a 2D CAD application there is also DraftSight. I've not tested, but I remember it was mentioned in the news months ago... http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software/ And there is also Briscad but may be a bit expensive for home users: http://www.bricscad.com/en_INTL/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.21.14.19...@gmail.com
Re: Threading (was: QCAD Pro in Squeeze)
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:21:01 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On Seg, 20 Jun 2011, wrote: >> [To see how it works, I've tried to include all the References in the >> header in this message. If Chuck or Lee complains I'll know there's an >> error. ] > > This message broke the thread. It has not References or In-Reply-To > headers. > > As someone said, your MUA should do that, not you. If it doesn't, > consider another MUA. Don't blame the mailer. This is the first e-mail I see unthreaded coming from Peter. Maybe he tweaked something and it was not working as expected. > But at least you did not reply to a digest. Sure. I'd say digests are for reading more than replying. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.21.13.29...@gmail.com
Re: Threading (was: QCAD Pro in Squeeze)
On Seg, 20 Jun 2011, wrote: [To see how it works, I've tried to include all the References in the header in this message. If Chuck or Lee complains I'll know there's an error. ] This message broke the thread. It has not References or In-Reply-To headers. As someone said, your MUA should do that, not you. If it doesn't, consider another MUA. But at least you did not reply to a digest. -- Grub first, then ethics. -- Bertolt Brecht Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110621092101.82923u71ht7jf...@mail.kalinowski.com.br
Re (4): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
From: kuLa Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 06:17:27 +0100 > if you're going to buy something have a look at this > http://www.bricscad.com/ > but I guess difference in price is significant Certainly appealing but too expensive for my needs and budget. [To see how it works, I've tried to include all the References in the header in this message. If Chuck or Lee complains I'll know there's an error. ] Thanks, ... Peter E. -- Telephone 1 360 450 2132. bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive. Personal pages http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057044.54133.41836@heaviside.invalid
Re: message threading; was Re (3): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:15:57 -0800, peasthope wrote: >> Would you please fix your mail client so you stop breaking the list >> threading? > > Usually I manage to set In-reply-to to the Message-id of the message > being replied to. In the Web archive, the Follow-Ups and References > seem OK. Can anyone tell me what other parameter might be required to > "fix" threading as Chuck says? (...) I see nothing broken :-? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/06/thrd4.html#01594 Your MUA seems to add an extra (n) number to the subject but it respects the threading. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.20.11.38...@gmail.com
Re: Re (2): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/11 00:25, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: > * From: Joe > * Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:13:35 +0100 >> Yes, I assumed you needed the paid-for version, ... > > Yes; I contemplate buying QCAD Pro to get the features > not available in the community version. > >> ... otherwise you would be using the free one already. > > The free version for Squeeze is here. It lacks Divide Two > and other helpful capabilities. > >> ... there is a chance to try the paid-for one before buying. > > Just tried it a few hours ago consequent to the suggestion > in your earlier message. It does what I want. > > Thanks,... Peter E. if you're going to buy something have a look at this http://www.bricscad.com/ but I guess difference in price is significant - -- |_|0|_| | |_|_|0| "Heghlu'Meh QaQ jajVam" | |0|0|0| kuLa - | gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xC100B4CA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN/tfnAAoJEOqHloDBALTKc48IAK0XaXscArJJX/3Yz107YXF5 B7C7SO2qnZ0b/1uMDKdA0MDH7fiTS0pY250m1OdhPwtQCIZx6UKE8T1QztxH6aEo ifiaJIg16ZNFT9sh2TwQRyxrNbdKz7FxSNJ+i/eRu/+Wo3qtW4H+Z8rpu6dMbysV jEEZvIyH4eALfbC0GgMxpl2krWv9WC+V5+KXGu9dWgNLjdalD7JoH9b4o+SuXuHx ua+xgYH3B71uuIKh7q5LtJemzlZZ8azbK9po0025Er1IY3eJ08CZqzM0/7o/Vq+b KOJjDtH4086nzIDGtmF6cbLj44hcWQmMjdl/H2GxcmKaIMHxDecpbFXnUbiWPXg= =SmAG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dfed7e7.3010...@kulisz.net
Re (2): message threading; was Re (3): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
From: lee Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:54:27 +0200 > You donA't seem to have any "References:" headers, ... Should the References trace back to the beginning of the thread? In principle, the list processor could copy the References from the referenced message and append the id of that message. I don't know how it actually works. > ... "in-reply-to" instead of "In-Reply-To". RIght oh; according to RFC 5322 the parameter names in the header are case sensitive. > The message IA'm replying to is correctly displayed as the top of a new > thread. Yes, I intended to start a new thread on "message threading". Hence the subject "message threading; was Re (3): QCAD Pro in Squeeze". Thanks, ... Peter E. -- Telephone 1 360 450 2132. bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive. Personal pages http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057043.68097.41835@heaviside.invalid
Re: message threading; was Re (3): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
On 06/19/2011 06:15 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: From a private message; From: C P Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:30:55 -0400 Would you please fix your mail client so you stop breaking the list threading? Usually I manage to set In-reply-to to the Message-id of the message being replied to. In the Web archive, the Follow-Ups and References seem OK. Can anyone tell me what other parameter might be required to "fix" threading as Chuck says? And, yes, I'll document the explanation in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists. Your MUA should do it automatically. Maybe that 8 year ld version of Oberon Mail doesn't have that feature? -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dfe853f.9040...@cox.net
Re: message threading; was Re (3): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
peasth...@shaw.ca writes: >>From a private message; > From: C P > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:30:55 -0400 >> Would you please fix your mail client so you stop breaking the list >> threading? > > Usually I manage to set In-reply-to to the Message-id of the message > being replied to. In the Web archive, the Follow-Ups and References > seem OK. Can anyone tell me what other parameter might be required > to "fix" threading as Chuck says? Your threading is displayed fine here with gnus. You don´t seem to have any "References:" headers, and in <171057043.52499.41831@heaviside.invalid>, you have "in-reply-to" instead of "In-Reply-To". The message I´m replying to is correctly displayed as the top of a new thread. If it´s supposed to be part of the thread that starts with <171057043.43873.41829@heaviside.invalid>, your threading is actually broken. Your MUA should get it right automatically by default; what are you using? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871uypfn4s@yun.yagibdah.de
Re (2): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
* From: Joe * Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:13:35 +0100 > Yes, I assumed you needed the paid-for version, ... Yes; I contemplate buying QCAD Pro to get the features not available in the community version. > ... otherwise you would be using the free one already. The free version for Squeeze is here. It lacks Divide Two and other helpful capabilities. > ... there is a chance to try the paid-for one before buying. Just tried it a few hours ago consequent to the suggestion in your earlier message. It does what I want. Thanks,... Peter E. -- Telephone 1 360 450 2132. bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive. Personal pages http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057043.63066.41833@heaviside.invalid
message threading; was Re (3): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
>From a private message; From: C P Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:30:55 -0400 > Would you please fix your mail client so you stop breaking the list > threading? Usually I manage to set In-reply-to to the Message-id of the message being replied to. In the Web archive, the Follow-Ups and References seem OK. Can anyone tell me what other parameter might be required to "fix" threading as Chuck says? And, yes, I'll document the explanation in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists. Thanks, ... Peter E. -- Telephone 1 360 450 2132. bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive. Personal pages http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057043.62457.41832@heaviside.invalid
Re: Re (2): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:52:19 -0800 peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: > From: Joe > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:05:19 +0100 > > I don't know how big the differences are, but I'm using 2.0.5 Free > > in Sid, and have been using the Sid version for about four years. > > It's not completely bug-free, but it seems to have the same bugs in > > a couple of Ubuntus, and fewer now than four years ago. > > In Squeeze here is QCAD 2.0.5.0-Free-1. I want to divide a circle to > make an arc. According to the Web based manual, Divide Two is > needed; not in the Community edition. > > > There's a moderately recent Ubuntu in the OS list, and the full > > version has a ten-minute-at-a-time trial version. > > It has Modify > Break out segment, d2. No doubt it will make the arc > if I use it properly. Looks as though I should pay for Pro. > > Thanks, ... Peter E. > Yes, I assumed you needed the paid-for version, otherwise you would be using the free one already. But the odds are fairly good that if the free one works, the other will, and there is a chance to try the paid-for one before buying. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110619221335.05361...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re (2): QCAD Pro in Squeeze
From: Joe Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:05:19 +0100 > I don't know how big the differences are, but I'm using 2.0.5 Free in > Sid, and have been using the Sid version for about four years. It's not > completely bug-free, but it seems to have the same bugs in a couple of > Ubuntus, and fewer now than four years ago. In Squeeze here is QCAD 2.0.5.0-Free-1. I want to divide a circle to make an arc. According to the Web based manual, Divide Two is needed; not in the Community edition. > There's a moderately recent Ubuntu in the OS list, and the full version > has a ten-minute-at-a-time trial version. It has Modify > Break out segment, d2. No doubt it will make the arc if I use it properly. Looks as though I should pay for Pro. Thanks, ... Peter E. -- Telephone 1 360 450 2132. bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive. Personal pages http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057043.52499.41831@heaviside.invalid
Re: QCAD Pro in Squeeze
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:45:33 -0800 peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: > RibbonSoft notes that QCAD Pro worked in Debian 3.1 and 4.0. > Is anyone using it in 6, Squeeze? I'm wondering whether to > stick with Generic CADD 6.1 purchased years ago or switch to > QCAD Pro 2.2. Recommendations appreciated. > I don't know how big the differences are, but I'm using 2.0.5 Free in Sid, and have been using the Sid version for about four years. It's not completely bug-free, but it seems to have the same bugs in a couple of Ubuntus, and fewer now than four years ago. There's a moderately recent Ubuntu in the OS list, and the full version has a ten-minute-at-a-time trial version. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110619190519.261f9...@jresid.jretrading.com
QCAD Pro in Squeeze
RibbonSoft notes that QCAD Pro worked in Debian 3.1 and 4.0. Is anyone using it in 6, Squeeze? I'm wondering whether to stick with Generic CADD 6.1 purchased years ago or switch to QCAD Pro 2.2. Recommendations appreciated. Thanks, ... Peter E. -- Telephone 1 360 450 2132. bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca Shop pages http://carnot.yi.org/ accessible as long as the old drives survive. Personal pages http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/ . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057043.43873.41829@heaviside.invalid
