Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In alpine.deb.1.10.1012101432270.3...@bretnewworkstation.busby.net, Bret 
Busby wrote:
can someone please advise when it is likely (not definite, but, likely),
that [squeeze] will be released?

From http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/:
People often ask if there is a single release progress meter. Unfortunately 
there isn't one, but we can refer you to several places that describe things 
needed to be dealt with for the release to happen:
Generic release status page http://release.debian.org/
Release-critical bugs http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
Base system bugs http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?base=onlyrc=1
Bugs in standard and task packages 
http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?standard=onlyrc=1
In addition, general status reports are posted by the release manager to the 
debian-devel-announce mailing list.

The last general status report is available in web form 
http://debian.org/News/2010/20101116b.
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Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In aanlktikhzavzxdoshk_4uo8boqvjfusogxjflrbfg...@mail.gmail.com, Peter 
Tenenbaum wrote:
PS:  I think this is the first time I'm answering a Debian question, rather
than asking it...

Thanks for doing so!
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Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-09 Thread Bret Busby

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:



Squeeze is in a pretty deep freeze.  When it is released as the new stable,
new upstream versions for many packages will be included.  Between that
release and the Wheezy release, few (if any) new upstream versions will be
introduced into stable.




Hello.

Firstly, thank you for your reply. It is quite helpful.

However, one question (and, I do realise that it can be regarded like 
the proverbial how long is a piece of string? question) -


can someone please advise when it is likely (not definite, but, likely), 
that that version of stable will be released?


Thank you in anticipation.

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Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In alpine.deb.1.10.1012081410240.25...@bretnewworkstation.busby.net, Bret 
Busby wrote:
the latest .deb
package of Iceape/Seamonkey available for a stable Debian version, is
four years out of date, with the Seamonkey project not providing
packaged (as in .deb packages) versions of its software, I am wondering
when the next version of Iceape for a stable version of Debian will
becomne available,

New upstream versions are not normally introduced into a stable Debian 
version.  The stable Debian release is unchanging (i.e. stable) w.r.t. 
upstream versions except in the most dire of circumstances.

Backports and sometimes volatile may get new upstream versions, but they have 
fewer volunteers than the project as a whole.  Still, they are quite useful 
and I've installed many packages from them before.

and whether it will have the functionality that the
latest 'stable versions of Seamonkey and Firefox apparently have, like
preserving sessions.

Squeeze is in a pretty deep freeze.  When it is released as the new stable, 
new upstream versions for many packages will be included.  Between that 
release and the Wheezy release, few (if any) new upstream versions will be 
introduced into stable.

I do not know the versions of Iceape and Iceweasel that are currently 
scheduled for inclusion in Squeeze, but some investigation of packages.d.o and 
the PTS on your part will reveal those plans.  Few (if any) features are 
removed in the re-branding (Seamonkey - Iceape; Firefox - Iceweasel; 
IIRC) process.

Due to a conflict in Debian's (support) and Mozilla's (trademark usage) 
policies, it is not reasonable to release non-re-branded versions of Seamonkey 
and Firefox as part of stable.
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Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:18:29 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

 Due to the removal by the Debian Project, of Iceape/Seamonkey from the
 Debian packages, with the latest available version of Iceape/Seamonkey
 for a stable debian distribution, being
 
 
 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
 rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9
 (Debian-1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1)
 
 
 from, apparently, four years ago, thus meaning that the latest .deb
 package of Iceape/Seamonkey available for a stable Debian version, is
 four years out of date, with the Seamonkey project not providing
 packaged (as in .deb packages) versions of its software, I am wondering
 when the next version of Iceape for a stable version of Debian will
 becomne available, and whether it will have the functionality that the
 latest 'stable versions of Seamonkey and Firefox apparently have, like
 preserving sessions.

I think the upcoming stable (now squeeze) will include Iceape.

As for people who is now on lenny and wanting to use Iceape, if running a 
32-bits system I would try with the upstream version:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

Most of the Mozilla products (like Firefox and Thunderbird) do not even 
require an installation, just download and run.

For 64-bits users, I was adviced here that Mozilla uses to provide 64-
bits packages for their nightly builds (just note that these packages 
are tagged as beta/testing, not final/stable products so there can 
be problems with them).

Greetings,

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Re: Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-08 Thread Peter Tenenbaum
FWIW, I'm running Squeeze, and I just installed iceape 2.0.10, which I
believe is the most recent version of SeaMonkey.  I'm running on an AMD64
platform, if that matters.

-PT

PS:  I think this is the first time I'm answering a Debian question, rather
than asking it...


Question about Seamonkey, Iceape, and Debian

2010-12-07 Thread Bret Busby

Hello.

Due to the removal by the Debian Project, of Iceape/Seamonkey from the 
Debian packages, with the latest available version of Iceape/Seamonkey 
for a stable debian distribution, being



Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; 
rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9 
(Debian-1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1)



from, apparently, four years ago, thus meaning that the latest .deb 
package of Iceape/Seamonkey available for a stable Debian version, is 
four years out of date, with the Seamonkey project not providing 
packaged (as in .deb packages) versions of its software, I am wondering 
when the next version of Iceape for a stable version of Debian will 
becomne available, and whether it will have the functionality that the 
latest 'stable versions of Seamonkey and Firefox apparently have, like 
preserving sessions.


Thank you in anticipation.

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
  The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts,
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992




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