Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-24 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 03:34:37AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
 Hi Lynn,
 could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list
 here hoping you will soon be using Sarge and maybe you can try to document 
 your
 fun path from woody to ssarge on the debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org)!
 cheers,

even better ... your fun part from loadlin - potato - woody - sarge :)

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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-20 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Kent West

Lynn Kilroy wrote:
Are you guys like cleaning up the easy way of donig net installs now or 
something?  And is it safe to assume that all Debian Dists have the same 
basic file sets?


In other words, for every file that was mentioned in the prior e-mail, is 
there file that would be reachable by simply replacing Potato with 
Sarge?


Not entirely sure what you're asking.

Concerning loadlin, I believe Sarge doesn't work with it, because Sarge 
uses initrd kernels by default I think, and loadlin can't handle that.


Once you have a base install of Potato, you can change your 
/etc/apt/sources.list file to point to Sarge (or stable, testing, sid, 
unstable, EXCEPT for the security line, which needs to be left at stable) 
and then upgrade the box with:

   aptitude update
   aptitude dist-upgrade
(If Potato doesn't have aptitude, substitute apt-get, then install aptitude 
and use it in the future - just my recommendation - not essential.)


--
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Can I avoid a lot of problems with Sarge by putting the CD Image on a hard 
drive and booting it from there?  Is it even possible to use a CD Image from 
a Hard Drive to install Debian?


The ftp site for potato has a habit of playing Peekaboo!, in that it's 
there for a few minutes then it vanishes.  Are there two 
ftp.us.debian.org's, and if so, am I getting the one with debian-archives 
intermittently?  If this is the case, how can I get the sight with 
debian-archives more consistently, to finish installing potato, or will 
sarge install over potato if I point to sarge?


I will try to have sarge try to install in the place of the rest of potato, 
but I don't know how well this will work.  It seems to me a wonder I found 
potato in the first place! :-)


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-20 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Lynn Kilroy


From: Kent West

Lynn Kilroy wrote:
Are you guys like cleaning up the easy way of donig net installs now or 
something?  And is it safe to assume that all Debian Dists have the same 
basic file sets?


In other words, for every file that was mentioned in the prior e-mail, is 
there file that would be reachable by simply replacing Potato with 
Sarge?


Not entirely sure what you're asking.

Concerning loadlin, I believe Sarge doesn't work with it, because Sarge 
uses initrd kernels by default I think, and loadlin can't handle that.


Once you have a base install of Potato, you can change your 
/etc/apt/sources.list file to point to Sarge (or stable, testing, sid, 
unstable, EXCEPT for the security line, which needs to be left at stable) 
and then upgrade the box with:

   aptitude update
   aptitude dist-upgrade
(If Potato doesn't have aptitude, substitute apt-get, then install 
aptitude and use it in the future - just my recommendation - not 
essential.)


--
Kent


Can I avoid a lot of problems with Sarge by putting the CD Image on a hard 
drive and booting it from there?  Is it even possible to use a CD Image 
from a Hard Drive to install Debian?


The ftp site for potato has a habit of playing Peekaboo!, in that it's 
there for a few minutes then it vanishes.  Are there two 
ftp.us.debian.org's, and if so, am I getting the one with debian-archives 
intermittently?  If this is the case, how can I get the sight with 
debian-archives more consistently, to finish installing potato, or will 
sarge install over potato if I point to sarge?


I will try to have sarge try to install in the place of the rest of potato, 
but I don't know how well this will work.  It seems to me a wonder I found 
potato in the first place! :-)


Love  Friendhip  Blessed Be!
Lynn Erika Kilroy


Okay.  The potato finished installing after pointing apt-get to the Sarge 
Distro.  Which seems kinda' odd, but I hope makes perfect sense for linux.


I did not try to use aptitude - maybe I should - but anyway, apt-get 
dist-upgrade responded by saying there were no updates available.  I had to 
point it at /debian/dists/sarge to get it to finish installing at all, so 
could I now have a sarge box instead of a potato box?  If so, where to from 
here?


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-20 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 06:37:58AM +, Lynn Kilroy wrote:
 From: Lynn Kilroy
 
 From: Kent West
 
 Lynn Kilroy wrote:
 Are you guys like cleaning up the easy way of donig net installs now or 
 something?  And is it safe to assume that all Debian Dists have the same 
 basic file sets?
 
 In other words, for every file that was mentioned in the prior e-mail, 
 is there file that would be reachable by simply replacing Potato with 
 Sarge?
 
 Not entirely sure what you're asking.
 
 Concerning loadlin, I believe Sarge doesn't work with it, because Sarge 
 uses initrd kernels by default I think, and loadlin can't handle that.
 
 Once you have a base install of Potato, you can change your 
 /etc/apt/sources.list file to point to Sarge (or stable, testing, sid, 
 unstable, EXCEPT for the security line, which needs to be left at stable) 
 and then upgrade the box with:
aptitude update
aptitude dist-upgrade
 (If Potato doesn't have aptitude, substitute apt-get, then install 
 aptitude and use it in the future - just my recommendation - not 
 essential.)
 
 --
 Kent
 
 Can I avoid a lot of problems with Sarge by putting the CD Image on a hard 
 drive and booting it from there?  Is it even possible to use a CD Image 
 from a Hard Drive to install Debian?
 
 The ftp site for potato has a habit of playing Peekaboo!, in that it's 
 there for a few minutes then it vanishes.  Are there two 
 ftp.us.debian.org's, and if so, am I getting the one with debian-archives 
 intermittently?  If this is the case, how can I get the sight with 
 debian-archives more consistently, to finish installing potato, or will 
 sarge install over potato if I point to sarge?
 
 I will try to have sarge try to install in the place of the rest of 
 potato, but I don't know how well this will work.  It seems to me a wonder 
 I found potato in the first place! :-)
 
 Love  Friendhip  Blessed Be!
 Lynn Erika Kilroy
 
 Okay.  The potato finished installing after pointing apt-get to the Sarge 
 Distro.  Which seems kinda' odd, but I hope makes perfect sense for linux.
 
 I did not try to use aptitude - maybe I should - but anyway, apt-get 
 dist-upgrade responded by saying there were no updates available.  I had to 
 point it at /debian/dists/sarge to get it to finish installing at all, so 
 could I now have a sarge box instead of a potato box?  If so, where to from 
 here?
 
 Love  Friendship  Blessed Be!
 Lynn Erika Kilroy
Hi Lynn,
could you post your /etc/apt/sources.list
here hoping you will soon be using Sarge and maybe you can try to document your
fun path from woody to ssarge on the debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org)!
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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Raquel Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:32:22 +
Lynn Kilroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?

 Also, what will the LoadLin Command Line look like to get Debian
 started on  a network install?

 Love  Friendship  Blessed Be!
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Check out:  http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst

I have done several network installs using the 4 floppy images.  It
works very easily.

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Ummm ...  No Floppy Drive, and, although we have a working drive {What a 
Relic!}, we have no diskettes for it.


Before anyone mentions burning CD's {or perhaps after} I do not have a CD 
Burner.


I have a perfectly good Win98SE Partition that boots great to DOS.  I have 
LoadLin.  Now all I need are the correct files to work with LoadLin to get 
it to start.


I have a file called linux, apparently the kernel itself.  I have a file, 
initrd, which appears to be the initial ramdisk, and there's another file, 
called default, which appears to be a settings file for getting started.


When I loadlin linux initrd=initrd default, it says that the file is not in 
the correct format and halts.


What files do I need, and where can I get them?

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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 03:32:22PM +, Lynn Kilroy wrote:
 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install Debian
 without making or purchasing some kind of removeable media?

 Also, what will the LoadLin Command Line look like to get Debian started 
on

 a network install?

What version of Debian are you talking about?  Not just what version 
number,

but what platform?

Does 3.x even support loadlin?  I haven't used it in years.
--


I am attempting to install Sarge, the stable version.  I do not want to 
attempt to install anything unstable.  I'm pretty much a set it and forget 
kinda' gal.


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:10:19 GMT

Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 03:32:22PM +, Lynn Kilroy wrote:
  What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install 
Debian

  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable media?
 
  Also, what will the LoadLin Command Line look like to get Debian 
started on

  a network install?

  What version of Debian are you talking about?  Not just what version 
number,

  but what platform?

  Does 3.x even support loadlin?  I haven't used it in years.

Sorry for the Me too!-ish post, but I too see no reason for loadlin.
I've never needed / wanted to use it.  netinst is about 107 Mb.  If
you can't manage that, go the floppy route as suggested, though be
careful there; floppies are notoriously unreliable media.




Oh!  Off Topic:  Please note Reply-To is not the list.

Back to Topic: I have no CD Burner, so please excuse me for having legacy 
equipment off a P100 and P233 on a brand new AMD 1.4GHz PC.  This system is 
still being worked on.  Oddly enough, we own six hard disk drives, five 
200GB drives, and one 160GB Drive.


We have no floppy diskettes.  We pretty much store all our surplus data on 
spare hard drives.  I mean, with like, six of them, why not?


We have no use for a CD Burner.  What's 600 MB to a spare 280GB for each of 
us, not including the dual internal drives we have installed all the time?


I'd rather not purchase a CD and wait two weeks to a month, while running 
the rist that the CD's May Get Stolen.


The Floppy Image can be downloaded and the OS installed via a Network.  Why 
can't I just D/L the files off the floppy image, and use them, along with 
LoadLin, to boot to Linux, then let Linux install them?  I have a dual boot 
already, and there's no reason at all for Linux to share the same 200GB Hard 
Drive with Win98SE and Win XP Pro.


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Kent West

Lynn Kilroy wrote:

From: Raquel Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:32:22 +
Lynn Kilroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Kent West

Kent West wrote:

Lynn Kilroy wrote:

From: Raquel Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:32:22 +
Lynn Kilroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en



Ag! Sorry; that doesn't address booting from loadlin; never mind.

I vaguely recall some discussion a year or three ago that loadlin is no 
longer supported. (But don't trust my memory.)


So you'd need to use an older version of Debian, and upgrade from there. 
That also means you'll need to find an older version of the Installation 
Manual. It _used_ to be in the manual that I referenced above.


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Kent West

Kent West wrote:

Kent West wrote:

Lynn Kilroy wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en


Ag! Sorry; that doesn't address booting from loadlin; never mind.



Ah! Here we go.

http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-install-drive


and

http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-rescue-images

So, _probably_ what you want are:

|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/rescue.bin
|
| 
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/compact/root.bin|

|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/root.bin|
|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/idepci/linux
||http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/dosutils/loadlin.exe
||http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/idepci/install.bat

This last install.bat file you may need to edit to your particular 
setup; or you can just manually execute the correct line from that batch 
file.


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:05:45 -0500

Lynn Kilroy wrote:

From: Raquel Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:32:22 +
Lynn Kilroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en


Very helpful.  May I remind people that even the best non-destructive 
partitioning tools can damage the partition tables such that my maintenance 
OS will not boot?


Also, Win XP Pro probably wouldn't like it too much, either.

Finally, there's an almost brand new, 200GB hard drive waiting for Linux.  
Partitioning it *now* will take over two hours, as I would want to break it 
up nice and neat with FDisk.  Anyone unfamiliar with FDisk {probably most 
everyone here} will need to note FDisk verifies the drive integrity each 
time you try to make a small change on the drive.


Granted, Debian probably has a better utility, and it probably works *much* 
faster, but to use it, I rather believe you will need to at least have the 
installer loaded.


LoadLin would be great for that. :-)

Speaking of LoadLin, now the Kernel reports less than 4MB RAM, and halts the 
system.


The exact message is: Less than 4MB of memory.  --System Halted.

This is strange, because the computer has 1GB RAM installed.

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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Kent West wrote:

Kent West wrote:

Lynn Kilroy wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en


Ag! Sorry; that doesn't address booting from loadlin; never mind.



Ah! Here we go.

http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-install-drive


and

http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-rescue-images

So, _probably_ what you want are:

|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/rescue.bin
|
| 
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/compact/root.bin|

|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/root.bin|
|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/idepci/linux
||http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/dosutils/loadlin.exe
||http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/idepci/install.bat

This last install.bat file you may need to edit to your particular setup; 
or you can just manually execute the correct line from that batch file.


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Oooh ... now *this* looks promising!

Thanks!

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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:20:57 -0500

Kent West wrote:

Kent West wrote:

Lynn Kilroy wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en


Ag! Sorry; that doesn't address booting from loadlin; never mind.



Ah! Here we go.

http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-install-drive


and

http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-rescue-images

So, _probably_ what you want are:

|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/rescue.bin
|
| 
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/compact/root.bin|

|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/root.bin|
|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/idepci/linux
||http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/dosutils/loadlin.exe
||http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/idepci/install.bat

This last install.bat file you may need to edit to your particular setup; 
or you can just manually execute the correct line from that batch file.


--
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Sorry to double post, but for these specific files, the address begins with

ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/potato/main

because Sarge supersedes Potato.

I looked through Sarge, and could not find analogous files, so I will use 
Potato, instead.


Besides, I have a particular affection for Potato. :-)

Perhaps if this works, someone can walk this newbie through an upgrade to 
Sarge.  Of course, they would probably be twisting my ear and waggling their 
finger at my nose as they did so. {Blushes}


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Alexander Sack
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:55:29AM +, Lynn Kilroy wrote:
 We have no use for a CD Burner.  What's 600 MB to a spare 280GB for each of 

A CD Burner is so cheap nowadays that you can buy it and throw it away.

... and you would have a use: Burning CDs to install debian without
wasting your time with archaic loadlin stuff.

If you still insist to not buy a burner, ask a fried to burn the netinstall CD
for you. Why go the hard way if there is a simple way.

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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Carl Fink
Lynn, do you have USB flash drive?  If your box will boot off that, I
believe you can install that way.
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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:14:44 -0400

Lynn, do you have USB flash drive?  If your box will boot off that, I
believe you can install that way.
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No USB Flash drive, I'm sorry.

The Potato Version had a really nice setup, though, and it installed nicely 
on my second drive, I think.  Only thing is, I did not put LiLio on to the 
first drive, as I was afraid it would cause problems that I don't have 
backups for at the moment to fix easily.  Not that it would be a big 
problem, but it took all day to migrate what I have on to the current four 
partition drive. :-)


I am hoping to setup LoadLin to be able to start the Linux on my second hard 
drive.  This will circumvent so many problems and headaches, while at the 
same time allowing me to have a dedicated linux drive.  Or, barring that, I 
can alway tell BIOS to boot to hdb instead of hda. :-p Then use LiLo to 
redirect to hda, then go through the Windows partitions.  Even better, I can 
swap a coupla' jumpers, so hdb becomes hda, and hda becomes hdb.


Since I just installed potato without knowing much about Linux, perhaps you 
can give me some recommendations?  The Linux Drive has LiLo on it already. 
:-)


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Re: Vnished FTP Files? {Was: Question not addressed in FAQ.}

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy

From: Lynn Kilroy [EMAIL PROTECTED]


From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kent West wrote:

Kent West wrote:

Lynn Kilroy wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en


Ag! Sorry; that doesn't address booting from loadlin; never mind.



Ah! Here we go.

http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-install-drive


and

http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-rescue-images

So, _probably_ what you want are:

|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/rescue.bin
|
| 
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/compact/root.bin|

|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/idepci/root.bin|
|http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/idepci/linux
||http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/dosutils/loadlin.exe
||http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/idepci/install.bat

This last install.bat file you may need to edit to your particular 
setup; or you can just manually execute the correct line from that batch 
file.


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Sorry to double post, but for these specific files, the address begins with

ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/potato/main

because Sarge supersedes Potato.

I looked through Sarge, and could not find analogous files, so I will use 
Potato, instead.


Besides, I have a particular affection for Potato. :-)

Perhaps if this works, someone can walk this newbie through an upgrade to 
Sarge.  Of course, they would probably be twisting my ear and waggling 
their finger at my nose as they did so. {Blushes}


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Hmmm.  I can't seem to get in touch with either of these links, now.  I know 
the one was good when I did the install, and now I have a half installed 
Potato Debian {all right, about five years out of date} on my machine.


I suppose I can look for the equivalant files for Sarge, however. :-)

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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Lynn Kilroy





From: Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:55:29AM +, Lynn Kilroy wrote:
 We have no use for a CD Burner.  What's 600 MB to a spare 280GB for each 
of


A CD Burner is so cheap nowadays that you can buy it and throw it away.

... and you would have a use: Burning CDs to install debian without
wasting your time with archaic loadlin stuff.

If you still insist to not buy a burner, ask a fried to burn the netinstall 
CD

for you. Why go the hard way if there is a simple way.

 - Alexander


I would argue that, once I had it all together {which wasn't all that hard 
once the information came available} it worked great.  This was relatively 
simple with no messy external media.


It even boots fine, now, except now it's looking for stuff that, for some 
odd reason, seems to have vanished in the few hours that it took for me to 
figure out how to get this far.


Are you guys like cleaning up the easy way of donig net installs now or 
something?  And is it safe to assume that all Debian Dists have the same 
basic file sets?


In other words, for every file that was mentioned in the prior e-mail, is 
there file that would be reachable by simply replacing Potato with 
Sarge?


I will find out! {Giggles}

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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-19 Thread Kent West

Lynn Kilroy wrote:
Are you guys like cleaning up the easy way of donig net installs now 
or something?  And is it safe to assume that all Debian Dists have the 
same basic file sets?


In other words, for every file that was mentioned in the prior e-mail, 
is there file that would be reachable by simply replacing Potato 
with Sarge?


Not entirely sure what you're asking.

Concerning loadlin, I believe Sarge doesn't work with it, because Sarge 
uses initrd kernels by default I think, and loadlin can't handle that.


Once you have a base install of Potato, you can change your 
/etc/apt/sources.list file to point to Sarge (or stable, testing, sid, 
unstable, EXCEPT for the security line, which needs to be left at 
stable) and then upgrade the box with:

   aptitude update
   aptitude dist-upgrade
(If Potato doesn't have aptitude, substitute apt-get, then install 
aptitude and use it in the future - just my recommendation - not essential.)


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Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-18 Thread Lynn Kilroy
What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install Debian 
without making or purchasing some kind of removeable media?


Also, what will the LoadLin Command Line look like to get Debian started on 
a network install?


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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-18 Thread Raquel Rice
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:32:22 +
Lynn Kilroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install
 Debian  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable
 media?
 
 Also, what will the LoadLin Command Line look like to get Debian
 started on  a network install?
 
 Love  Friendship  Blessed Be!
 Lynn Erika Kilroy
 

Check out:  http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst

I have done several network installs using the 4 floppy images.  It
works very easily.

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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-18 Thread Carl Fink
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 03:32:22PM +, Lynn Kilroy wrote:
 What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install Debian 
 without making or purchasing some kind of removeable media?
 
 Also, what will the LoadLin Command Line look like to get Debian started on 
 a network install?

What version of Debian are you talking about?  Not just what version number,
but what platform?

Does 3.x even support loadlin?  I haven't used it in years.
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Re: Question not addressed in FAQ.

2006-06-18 Thread s. keeling
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 03:32:22PM +, Lynn Kilroy wrote:
  What files from the mirror site will I need if I want to install Debian 
  without making or purchasing some kind of removeable media?
  
  Also, what will the LoadLin Command Line look like to get Debian started on 
  a network install?
 
  What version of Debian are you talking about?  Not just what version number,
  but what platform?
 
  Does 3.x even support loadlin?  I haven't used it in years.

Sorry for the Me too!-ish post, but I too see no reason for loadlin.
I've never needed / wanted to use it.  netinst is about 107 Mb.  If
you can't manage that, go the floppy route as suggested, though be
careful there; floppies are notoriously unreliable media.


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