Re: Questions about installing from net-install CD
Thanks to all for your help! I've got a much clearer picture of how the process goes now, and I'm certain aptitude will help me get all the products I anticipate needing. Very glad I posted here before I went and burned 21 CDs. Wouldn't have enjoyed that. -Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Questions about installing from net-install CD
Hey all. I just installed etch onto my Dell Inspiron B130 laptop using the net-install CD that I got at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Given the description of the installer on the website, I had been under the impression that when I ran the install I'd be able to choose packages from Debian's (rather massive) list, but that instead of having to burn 21 CDs I'd be able to download and install the packages of my choice during the install process. However, when I ran the install, I didn't get a chance to choose any of these packages - I got a simple dialog with options like Print Server, Mail Server, and Web Server, but nothing like a list that would have taken 21 CDs to hold. My primary question is, did I misunderstand what the net-install was meant to do? I had thought it would give me access to the full package list via downloads - does it not do that? Or did I do something wrong during the install? Recommendations and tips are appreciated - I'm fairly new to the *nix world, so feel free to assume I know nothing, beyond what 'ls' does. Thanks in advance, Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions about installing from net-install CD
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 06:39:38PM -, kaldrenon wrote: My primary question is, did I misunderstand what the net-install was meant to do? I had thought it would give me access to the full package list via downloads - does it not do that? Or did I do something wrong during the install? Was there no option like Individual package selection (I don't recall the exact wording)? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Questions about installing from net-install CD
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 06:39:38PM -, kaldrenon wrote: My primary question is, did I misunderstand what the net-install was meant to do? I had thought it would give me access to the full package list via downloads - does it not do that? Or did I do something wrong during the install? Recommendations and tips are appreciated - I'm fairly new to the *nix world, so feel free to assume I know nothing, beyond what 'ls' does. Thanks in advance, Andrew You could select nothing and then after a reboot edit your source.list and apt-get everything you want. That's what I do accpet with the mini.iso. Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions about installing from net-install CD
On Aug 10, 3:10 pm, Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was there no option like Individual package selection (I don't recall the exact wording)? Regards, Andrei I didn't see one, no. That is what I had expected, but I did not see it. There's a chance I just missed/overlooked it, though. I can be dumb like that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions about installing from net-install CD
On 08/10/2007 01:39 PM, kaldrenon wrote: Hey all. I just installed etch onto my Dell Inspiron B130 laptop using the net-install CD that I got at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ Given the description of the installer on the website, I had been under the impression that when I ran the install I'd be able to choose packages from Debian's (rather massive) list, but that instead of having to burn 21 CDs I'd be able to download and install the packages of my choice during the install process. No, the install process must be completed first. However, when I ran the install, I didn't get a chance to choose any of these packages - I got a simple dialog with options like Print Server, Mail Server, and Web Server, but nothing like a list that would have taken 21 CDs to hold. My primary question is, did I misunderstand what the net-install was meant to do? I had thought it would give me access to the full package list via downloads - does it not do that? Or did I do something wrong during the install? Recommendations and tips are appreciated - I'm fairly new to the *nix world, so feel free to assume I know nothing, beyond what 'ls' does. Thanks in advance, Andrew Net-install allows you to have a basic Debian system from which you can install other software. I suggest you select the Desktop option if there is one*. That should give you a graphical user interface and a few utilities. From there, you can use either aptitude or synaptic to install more Debian software packages. I suggest you use aptitude. Refer to these: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html http://wiki.debian.org/ I hope this helps. - * The net-install disk probably omits this. That's why I always use CD#1. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions about installing from net-install CD
On Aug 10, 3:40 pm, Mumia W.. paduille.4061.mumia.w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest you select the Desktop option if there is one*. That should give you a graphical user interface and a few utilities. From there, you can use either aptitude or synaptic to install more Debian software packages. I suggest you use aptitude. Refer to these: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html http://wiki.debian.org/ I hope this helps. Thanks very much for your help! I'm using aptitude now, it's exactly what I had hoped to see during the install. I guess the wording of http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ made it less than clear to me how much I would be able to access during the install, but it's clear now. Thanks again. -Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions about installing from net-install CD
On Saturday 11 August 2007 04:39, kaldrenon shared this with us all: --} Hey all. I just installed etch onto my Dell Inspiron B130 laptop using --} the net-install CD that I got at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ --} --} Given the description of the installer on the website, I had been --} under the impression that when I ran the install I'd be able to choose --} packages from Debian's (rather massive) list, but that instead of --} having to burn 21 CDs I'd be able to download and install the packages --} of my choice during the install process. However, when I ran the --} install, I didn't get a chance to choose any of these packages - I got --} a simple dialog with options like Print Server, Mail Server, and Web --} Server, but nothing like a list that would have taken 21 CDs to hold. --} --} My primary question is, did I misunderstand what the net-install was --} meant to do? I had thought it would give me access to the full package --} list via downloads - does it not do that? Or did I do something wrong --} during the install? --} --} Recommendations and tips are appreciated - I'm fairly new to the *nix --} world, so feel free to assume I know nothing, beyond what 'ls' does. --} --} Thanks in advance, --} Andrew When you run the net install CD you go through all the things they ask, and you can, if you desire Install Software when the installer comes to that place, or you can just jump to installing grub or lilo and it will do that, and then go to finish the installation. I have never used the Install Software option, but I have looked at it once in Woody and I think it selects a software group rather than individual packages? I assume that you have run through all the detect:- network hardware, disks and such. After reboot, which is where finish takes you after it has ejected your net install CD. You can place it back into the CD/DVD drive because it will be needed again. Log into your shell as root, because that is the user that can install packages. From this point on, you can select the individual packages you want. Some of these are mega packages as well, and they will declare what they are going to install if you use:- apt-get install package I usually install less first apt-get install less From then on, you can apt-cache search what you want | less. What you want might be a window-manager or just wm or just xorg or anything you want to try. By piping this command through less you can scroll up and down through the list that the search command brings up, and read about and find what you want. The dependencies will be installed, and you will get a list of suggested packages at the same time. Check if they will help you with or enhance the package you've installed, before you install them as well. Hope that helps. Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ I suppose you think that persons who are as old as your father and myself are always thinking about very grave things, but I know that we are meditating the same old themes that we did when we were ten years old, only we go more gravely about it. .Henry David Thoreau Debian - Just the best way to do magic.
Re: Questions about installing from net-install CD
On Saturday 11 August 2007 04:39, kaldrenon shared this with us all: --} Hey all. I just installed etch onto my Dell Inspiron B130 laptop using --} the net-install CD that I got at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ --} --} Given the description of the installer on the website, I had been --} under the impression that when I ran the install I'd be able to choose --} packages from Debian's (rather massive) list, but that instead of --} having to burn 21 CDs I'd be able to download and install the packages --} of my choice during the install process. However, when I ran the --} install, I didn't get a chance to choose any of these packages - I got --} a simple dialog with options like Print Server, Mail Server, and Web --} Server, but nothing like a list that would have taken 21 CDs to hold. --} --} My primary question is, did I misunderstand what the net-install was --} meant to do? I had thought it would give me access to the full package --} list via downloads - does it not do that? Or did I do something wrong --} during the install? A typical Debian installation is made in three stages. FIRST STAGE. A minimal system is installed from CD. This may be the netinstall CD or the first CD of any Debian CD set. The only advantage to using the netinstall CD is that the image is smaller and quicker to download and burn. You are given the opportunity to select the source for installation; at that point you may choose CD or Internet. The minimal system which is installed in this stage is useful for nothing other than a means for installation of additional packages. In this stage, only the essential configuration is accomplished. SECOND STAGE. A reasonable working system is installed, either by downloading files over the Internet or else from CDs. This system may be of the service category print server, mail server, web server, desktop, etc. The Debian packages typically chosen for the respective category are downloaded, installed, and configured. Also in this stage, remaining basic configuration of the the system is completed. If you wish, you may decline to specify the service category (print server, mail server, web server, desktop, etc.) of the system, and stop at this second stage, in which case you have a minimal but usable Debian system which is properly configured. THIRD STAGE. The third stage is not really installation; rather, it is customization. In this stage, the user uses a package tool (I recommend Synaptic, which is the only tool I now use) to select, install, upgrade, and remove packages specific to his needs. To find packages suited for your needs, use a search engine such as Google (www.google.com/linux) or search the Debian archives. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
