Re: Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
Hi, you can run Debian on Virtualbox, but WSL is integrate in Windows, you can run application from app menu.
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
> > > > Is WSL a hard requirement? As far as I know Debian runs quite well in > Virtualbox (make sure you install the guest additions). > Yes, I use it alot) It also runs well on the Hyper-V (which is a part of Windows), just make sure to disable secure boot in VM.
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On Ma, 29 iun 21, 09:28:00, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > First, let me assure the list that I am not trying to ignite a flame war. > > > > I have a legitimate reason for installing Debian Buster on my Windows 10 > laptop using Windows Subsystem Linux and X410. I have a very important > application for my Computational Chemistry research program that has never > been ported to Linux. Is WSL a hard requirement? As far as I know Debian runs quite well in Virtualbox (make sure you install the guest additions). Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
Hi, On 2021-06-30 4:32 a.m., Curt wrote: > On 2021-06-29, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: >> >> The Application Manager Logout function will only allow Logout; Restart and >> Shutdown are grayed out. > > ... > >> On the System level, clicking on the Synaptic Package Manager entry in the >> pulldown manual does not open the app; sudo synaptic in the Xfce Terminal >> opens the app and it is fully functional. Have you tried looking thru the application logs or starting the desktop session with "startx" console. This way you'll get some text that may give a hint on why doesn't synaptic start. To access a console you simply type "ALT+Fx". Possibly that the 2nd one is already used so doing Alt+F4 shall do it. After simply log on with username and password. Type "startx" in the shell. You'll see a bunch of text and a graphic screen start. Do ALT+F4 Look at the last line of text Go back to your graphic screen (depending on how your system is configured, it shall be that last screen so use ALT+Fx going up to it). Click to start synaptic Go back to console #4 (Alt+F4) See if there's new text on screen You can also do a dmesg from a xterm and see if there's something added... It's hard for anyone to understand what bugs you may have if you don't give us more information or give us a way to reproduce it somehow (without resorting to installing Windows)... Did I understand you run Debian with Linux subsystem for Windows or something with a similar name ? -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On 2021-06-29, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > The Application Manager Logout function will only allow Logout; Restart and > Shutdown are grayed out. ... > On the System level, clicking on the Synaptic Package Manager entry in the > pulldown manual does not open the app; sudo synaptic in the Xfce Terminal > opens the app and it is fully functional. ... You may be taking the concept of molecular to facetious extremes.
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:34:17 +0200 john doe wrote: > On 6/29/2021 9:07 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > > > > > On 06/29/2021 12:46 PM, ellanios82 wrote: > >> On 6/29/21 6:36 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > >>> have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to > >>> do so to solve the problems > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - juz sayin' : some years back , i had need for a Windows > >> program : put Virtual-Box on Linux desktop : result was > >> Alfa-Alfa-Perfect . . . no probs whatsoever : terrific !! > >> > >> > >> > >> regards > >> > >> . > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks for the reply and suggestion. As a matter of fact I have just > > that on my main platform, running Buster. I can't say that I'm > > impressed with the performance. > > > > However, I need to put a suite of Computational Chemistry programs > > on my Win 10 Laptop, both as a backup for my main platform and for > > traveling. > > Can't you have all required applications working on Linux? > One option would be to have linux on your laptop and Windows as a VM. > > I find Qemu with KVM(linux) or haxx (Windows) better than virtualbox. > > That would take sometime to set up but would be less time consuming > then trying to to compile linux stuff on Windows. > Most copies of Windows aren't licensed for use in a VM. Professional and Server versions usually are. We expect MS to respect GPL... -- Joe
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On 6/29/2021 9:07 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: On 06/29/2021 12:46 PM, ellanios82 wrote: On 6/29/21 6:36 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to do so to solve the problems - juz sayin' : some years back , i had need for a Windows program : put Virtual-Box on Linux desktop : result was Alfa-Alfa-Perfect . . . no probs whatsoever : terrific !! regards . Thanks for the reply and suggestion. As a matter of fact I have just that on my main platform, running Buster. I can't say that I'm impressed with the performance. However, I need to put a suite of Computational Chemistry programs on my Win 10 Laptop, both as a backup for my main platform and for traveling. Can't you have all required applications working on Linux? One option would be to have linux on your laptop and Windows as a VM. I find Qemu with KVM(linux) or haxx (Windows) better than virtualbox. That would take sometime to set up but would be less time consuming then trying to to compile linux stuff on Windows. -- John Doe
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On 2021-06-29 16:36, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: Thanks for the reply. I have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to do so to solve the problems. You could get another laptop the same and velcro them together. To use the windows program turn it over. With a short bit of RJ45 cable could see Debian program Gui on windows with putty and Xming. Windows supposedly has a ssh server so it might work the other way but I never tried. mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31
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Hi, On 2021-06-29 3:22 p.m., Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I'm replying, without copying the list. The program is GWOVina written > by Shirley W. I. Shu and her research Group at the University of Macau. > Shirley has been very helpful to me in getting her program up and > running om my Linux platform. I asked her if she had ported it to > Windows, but she replied that they had tried a few years ago and ran > into too much trouble trouble with libraries that they gave up. > > I have tried to compile the src in Windows using MS Visual Studio/Visual > Studio Code but couldn't get very far. That was my first, and last, > attemp at compiling C++ in a WIndows environment. > Maybe trying by using Cygwin would be a good start. For sure you'll have at least many if not infinity of problem with trying to compile directly with MS Visual Studio / Visual C++. Cygwin give you a somewhat more complete environment with a bash shell, the "standard" compiler that exists on Linux (gcc/clang), the make program and all the shell utilities used by most program compilation process. You can't normally simply do a "make" from a Windows command prompt and expect a good result for text application made for Linux. But with Cygwin, nearly all of the text application will compile, unless they try to access hardware directly, depend on specific Linux services that don't exist on Windows, etc. I'll make a little research for the software you named but if you give me references then it would be helpful. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On 06/29/2021 12:46 PM, ellanios82 wrote: On 6/29/21 6:36 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to do so to solve the problems - juz sayin' : some years back , i had need for a Windows program : put Virtual-Box on Linux desktop : result was Alfa-Alfa-Perfect . . . no probs whatsoever : terrific !! regards . Thanks for the reply and suggestion. As a matter of fact I have just that on my main platform, running Buster. I can't say that I'm impressed with the performance. However, I need to put a suite of Computational Chemistry programs on my Win 10 Laptop, both as a backup for my main platform and for traveling. -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. www.molecular-modeling.net 614.312.7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
Hi, On 2021-06-29 9:28 a.m., Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > First, let me assure the list that I am not trying to ignite a flame war. > > > > I have a legitimate reason for installing Debian Buster on my Windows 10 > laptop using Windows Subsystem Linux and X410. I have a very important > application for my Computational Chemistry research program that has > never been ported to Linux. > What software are you talking about ? My mother-in-law is a chemist and my father-in-law is a physicist, they both do lot of fundamental research work. The later has also designed may software library for waveform analysis and gas dispersion. Maybe we could take a look on how this software could be ported to Windows. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: Buster on Win 10 Problems
-Original Message- From: ellanios82 Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:46 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems On 6/29/21 6:36 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to do so > to solve the problems - juz sayin' : some years back , i had need for a Windows program : put Virtual-Box on Linux desktop : result was Alfa-Alfa-Perfect . . . no probs whatsoever : terrific !! regards I've gone that route. Not the best solution for numerical computation in my opinion. Bit thanks for the suggestion.
RE: Buster on Win 10 Problems
-Original Message- From: to...@tuxteam.de Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:43 PM To: Stephen P. Molnar Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:39:59AM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > > On 06/29/2021 11:12 AM, Marco M�ller wrote: > >On 29.06.21 15:28, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: [...] > >I suppose you are using the WSL2. > >When I recently have had a look at it, the first mayor thing of > >importance which I noticed was, correct me if I observed it wrong, > >that it is using a Linux kernel from Microsoft and not the kernel > >from Debian (or a kernel from Ubuntu, or openSUSE, or Red Hat > >etc.) [...] > Thanks for the detailed reply. > > Yes, you are quite correct with regard to the provence of the kernel. Perhaps you're better off running a virtual Windows under kvm instead of a Linux kernel fat-fingered [1] by Microsoft? There are many howtos out there for this option, It seems quite doable. Cheers [1] If that sounds biased it's because it is. - t Nothing wrong with bias. Personally. I'm biased, in favor of Linux. I've used it since the earliest days of Slackware and Red Hat.
RE: Buster on Win 10 Problems
-Original Message- From: David Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:39 PM To: debian-user Subject: Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 23:28, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I have a very important application for my Computational Chemistry > research program that has never been ported to Linux. 1) Do you have the source code? 2) Does it require a graphical user interface? 3) What language is it written in? If the answers are yes, no, and something reasonable, then it might not be a big task for someone to port it. And then the problem is solved properly and you don't have to spend time on all the other complicated issues of running multiple operating systems. 1.Yes 2. No 3. C++ Not a big task!??? That's the first thing I thought of. Certainly not for someone who knows what to what they ae be doing. Unfortunately, that someone is not me. My first programming experience was in FORTRAN II in the early 1960's as a grad student and I can bumble my way, with a lot of help, in Python and bash scripting. I tried but was not successful. Are you volunteering?
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On 6/29/21 6:36 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to do so to solve the problems . - juz sayin' : some years back , i had need for a Windows program : put Virtual-Box on Linux desktop : result was Alfa-Alfa-Perfect . . . no probs whatsoever : terrific !! . regards .
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:39:59AM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > > On 06/29/2021 11:12 AM, Marco M�ller wrote: > >On 29.06.21 15:28, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: [...] > >I suppose you are using the WSL2. > >When I recently have had a look at it, the first mayor thing of > >importance which I noticed was, correct me if I observed it wrong, > >that it is using a Linux kernel from Microsoft and not the kernel > >from Debian (or a kernel from Ubuntu, or openSUSE, or Red Hat > >etc.) [...] > Thanks for the detailed reply. > > Yes, you are quite correct with regard to the provence of the kernel. Perhaps you're better off running a virtual Windows under kvm instead of a Linux kernel fat-fingered [1] by Microsoft? There are many howtos out there for this option, It seems quite doable. Cheers [1] If that sounds biased it's because it is. - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 23:28, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I have a very important application for my Computational Chemistry > research program that has never been ported to Linux. 1) Do you have the source code? 2) Does it require a graphical user interface? 3) What language is it written in? If the answers are yes, no, and something reasonable, then it might not be a big task for someone to port it. And then the problem is solved properly and you don't have to spend time on all the other complicated issues of running multiple operating systems.
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
> > I've never had much luck with emulations/APIs. I gave up on wine (maybe > it's better now) because so many things nearly worked. I've had trouble > with virtual machines with getting good enough access to the hardware. > > WSL-2 is not an emulator but a real virtual machine that runs Linux kernel patched by Microsoft. WSL-1 is a kind of emulator (Linux kernel ABI implemented by Microsoft on top of NT kernel). I agree that WSL doesn't look "solid" enough. It is better to run real Debian with double boot (or at least as virtual machine guest)
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:36:48 -0400 "Stephen P. Molnar" wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > > I have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to do > so to solve the problems. > > These problems are not show stoppers, but rather annoying. > > This kind of thing brings to mind the joke punch line: it's like a dog singing, it isn't great, the wonder is that it happens at all. I've never had much luck with emulations/APIs. I gave up on wine (maybe it's better now) because so many things nearly worked. I've had trouble with virtual machines with getting good enough access to the hardware. If you need reliable use of two operating systems, dual boot is the only fairly clean way. A half-way house is to install Linux to an external drive and plug it in when you need it, that way you avoid any issues with booting. I did this for a while with a (Linux) netbook, because the first-generation hardwired SSD was tiny and appallingly slow, even for reading. It was quite strange to plug in an external (mechanical) drive and get a massive boost in performance. -- Joe
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:36:48AM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > Thanks for the reply. > > I have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to do so to > solve the problems. > > These problems are not show stoppers, but rather annoying. > > On 06/29/2021 10:29 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > > > Have you investigated the possibility of Dual Booting? > > it's a bit complicated, but it works. > > Separate Disk Dive is best > > > > On 6/29/21 6:28 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > > > > > First, let me assure the list that I am not trying to ignite a flame war. > > > > > > I have a legitimate reason for installing Debian Buster on my > > > Windows 10 laptop using Windows Subsystem Linux and X410. I have a > > > very important application for my Computational Chemistry research > > > program that has never been ported to Linux. > > > > > > After much thrashing about and hair pulling (little enough to begin > > > with) I succeeded. > > > > > > However, there are several problems, minor but annoying. I�m using > > > the xfe4 desktop. > > > > > > The Application Manager Logout function will only allow Logout; > > > Restart and Shutdown are grayed out. > > > That may be because you can't "shutdown" in WSL2 - effectively, all you can do is logout. Shutdown etc. are not permitted in WSL. > > > On the System level, clicking on the Synaptic Package Manager entry > > > in the pulldown manual does not open the app; sudo synaptic in the > > > Xfce Terminal opens the app and it is fully functional. > > > This may be a function of WSL "run one thng at a time@ way of thinking? This may change with hte next update to Windows which does promise GUI applications mediated via Microsoft's own Linux distribution. > > > I hope to receive advise from this list. I shudder to think of > > > having to query MS, even if I got an answer it would be very murky > > > and impossible to implement. > > > YOu might also want to try #debian-wsl on IRC, though that's very low traffic indeed and mostly about packaging WSL. > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. > > > > > > (614)312-7528 > > > > > > Skype: smolnar1 > > > > All best, as ever, Andy Cater > -- > Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. > www.molecular-modeling.net > 614.312.7528 (c) > Skype: smolnar1 >
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On 06/29/2021 11:12 AM, Marco M�ller wrote: On 29.06.21 15:28, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: First, let me assure the list that I am not trying to ignite a flame war. I have a legitimate reason for installing Debian Buster on my Windows 10 laptop using Windows Subsystem Linux and X410. I have a very important application for my Computational Chemistry research program that has never been ported to Linux. After much thrashing about and hair pulling (little enough to begin with) I succeeded. However, there are several problems, minor but annoying. I�m using the xfe4 desktop. The Application Manager Logout function will only allow Logout; Restart and Shutdown are grayed out. On the System level, clicking on the Synaptic Package Manager entry in the pulldown manual does not open the app; sudo synaptic in the Xfce Terminal opens the app and it is fully functional. (...) I will not be able to fully answer your question, I have only an idea for you which might or might not help you to advance. I suppose you are using the WSL2. When I recently have had a look at it, the first mayor thing of importance which I noticed was, correct me if I observed it wrong, that it is using a Linux kernel from Microsoft and not the kernel from Debian (or a kernel from Ubuntu, or openSUSE, or Red Hat etc.), although you installed the "Debian app". Well, the Debian app is kind of a collection of commands as typically found at the command line after a bare minimal Debian install directly to the hardware, and a collection of Debian alike configuration files to make the by MS provided kernel and the commands pulled in by the Debian app to behave somewhat as you would expect it from a Debian OS install. But this does not change that the kernel from Microsoft does not use systemd. Maybe the grayed out Restart and Shutdown buttons are a consequence of this? Good Luck! Marco. Thanks for the detailed reply. Yes, you are quite correct with regard to the provence of the kernel. -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. www.molecular-modeling.net 614.312.7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
Thanks for the reply. I have dual booted platforms in the past, and would prefer not to do so to solve the problems. These problems are not show stoppers, but rather annoying. On 06/29/2021 10:29 AM, Peter Ehlert wrote: Have you investigated the possibility of Dual Booting? it's a bit complicated, but it works. Separate Disk Dive is best On 6/29/21 6:28 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: First, let me assure the list that I am not trying to ignite a flame war. I have a legitimate reason for installing Debian Buster on my Windows 10 laptop using Windows Subsystem Linux and X410. I have a very important application for my Computational Chemistry research program that has never been ported to Linux. After much thrashing about and hair pulling (little enough to begin with) I succeeded. However, there are several problems, minor but annoying. I�m using the xfe4 desktop. The Application Manager Logout function will only allow Logout; Restart and Shutdown are grayed out. On the System level, clicking on the Synaptic Package Manager entry in the pulldown manual does not open the app; sudo synaptic in the Xfce Terminal opens the app and it is fully functional. I hope to receive advise from this list. I shudder to think of having to query MS, even if I got an answer it would be very murky and impossible to implement. Thanks in advance. Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. (614)312-7528 Skype: smolnar1 -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. www.molecular-modeling.net 614.312.7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
On 29.06.21 15:28, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: First, let me assure the list that I am not trying to ignite a flame war. I have a legitimate reason for installing Debian Buster on my Windows 10 laptop using Windows Subsystem Linux and X410. I have a very important application for my Computational Chemistry research program that has never been ported to Linux. After much thrashing about and hair pulling (little enough to begin with) I succeeded. However, there are several problems, minor but annoying. I’m using the xfe4 desktop. The Application Manager Logout function will only allow Logout; Restart and Shutdown are grayed out. On the System level, clicking on the Synaptic Package Manager entry in the pulldown manual does not open the app; sudo synaptic in the Xfce Terminal opens the app and it is fully functional. (...) I will not be able to fully answer your question, I have only an idea for you which might or might not help you to advance. I suppose you are using the WSL2. When I recently have had a look at it, the first mayor thing of importance which I noticed was, correct me if I observed it wrong, that it is using a Linux kernel from Microsoft and not the kernel from Debian (or a kernel from Ubuntu, or openSUSE, or Red Hat etc.), although you installed the "Debian app". Well, the Debian app is kind of a collection of commands as typically found at the command line after a bare minimal Debian install directly to the hardware, and a collection of Debian alike configuration files to make the by MS provided kernel and the commands pulled in by the Debian app to behave somewhat as you would expect it from a Debian OS install. But this does not change that the kernel from Microsoft does not use systemd. Maybe the grayed out Restart and Shutdown buttons are a consequence of this? Good Luck! Marco.
Re: Buster on Win 10 Problems
Have you investigated the possibility of Dual Booting? it's a bit complicated, but it works. Separate Disk Dive is best On 6/29/21 6:28 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: First, let me assure the list that I am not trying to ignite a flame war. I have a legitimate reason for installing Debian Buster on my Windows 10 laptop using Windows Subsystem Linux and X410. I have a very important application for my Computational Chemistry research program that has never been ported to Linux. After much thrashing about and hair pulling (little enough to begin with) I succeeded. However, there are several problems, minor but annoying. I’m using the xfe4 desktop. The Application Manager Logout function will only allow Logout; Restart and Shutdown are grayed out. On the System level, clicking on the Synaptic Package Manager entry in the pulldown manual does not open the app; sudo synaptic in the Xfce Terminal opens the app and it is fully functional. I hope to receive advise from this list. I shudder to think of having to query MS, even if I got an answer it would be very murky and impossible to implement. Thanks in advance. Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. (614)312-7528 Skype: smolnar1
