Re: RE: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive - Other Co-existi ng OS Problems...
Quoting Person, Roderick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): This maybe true, but I have noticed that once I mount a DOS floppy in Debian after two or three times It is unreadable by Windows. It seems to me that Linux is Hell on floppies. Even my Debian only floppies seem to have a extremely short life. I thought my Floppy was dying then i changed it and still the same problems. That's not my experience. I use two floppies daily to keep my machines at home and at work in sync. They're used several times every weekday, and even at weekends as backup. These two have been going several months, so the bottom right corners of the labels are almost transparent from grease. One's a maxell, the other a noname, but quite likely an old AOL solicitation at my work address. That's fairly typical. As soon as one gives a read error, I replace it with another from a very slowly decreasing stack of floppies. I've never noticed one brand being any better/worse than another, and even good makes like maxell have occasionally failed even to format. BTW they're all dos format, and almost invariably carry only .zip files to preserve the name/attributes of the files. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
Back when I did use one of the Gates viruses I had problems with win9X writeing to areas of the disk that it shouldn't. Some of those disks are still unusable today because of that. I would make sure that there were NO M$ partations on my Linux disk at all because of that. I would keep all of the M$ stuff on its own disk so it could never access my Linux disks in any way. You have been warned... John C. Ellingboe Person, Roderick wrote: Hey All, Recently, I added a new drive to my system as the slave 2nd drive. Therefore, I made my old drive a Win95 drive so the family could play games and such. Now it seems that everytime I log into my Linux drive (/dev/hdb) I get file system not unmount correctly errors. I fsck and get it in operating conditions and a day or two later i get the same errors. Could this be due to how other users are logging out of win95 or not logging out and just shuting off the machine? Drive 1 is totally win95(1.2GB) drive 2 is 5GB for Linux in 4 partitions and 1GB for win in one partition. Anyone having this problem. Roderick P. Person DBA/Programmer 454-2616 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/nullbegin: vcard fn: John C. Ellingboe - KE4BPW n: Ellingboe - KE4BPW;John C. org:The Guntersville Computer Center email;internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] title: Owner/Admin x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
John C. Ellingboe wrote: Back when I did use one of the Gates viruses I had problems with win9X writeing to areas of the disk that it shouldn't. Some of those disks are still unusable today because of that. I would make sure that there were NO M$ partations on my Linux disk at all because of that. I would keep all of the M$ stuff on its own disk so it could never access my Linux disks in any way. You have been warned... Well, let's not *too* get carried away with the anti-MS stuff. Nothing any OS writes to any disk, anywhere, will make it permanently unusable. If nothing else, clearing the MBR sector and starting from scratch will work. Tom -- Try Debian GNU/Linux - it's free, it's open source, and it rocks http://www.debian.org
Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
Windows and Linux can co-exist on the same disk drive without problems. I have windows 95 and debian on different partitions of the same disk. Windows / dos will ignore partition types 81, 82 ,83 etc. What you need to do is to first partition the virgin disk under windows (leaving room for linux!) then add your linux partitions using linux fdisk. The reason is to insure that MS fdisk doesn't do the job wrong and grab part of the linux partitions. (I have heard that MS fdisk can try to make partitions not using whole number of cylinders while linux fdisk always rounds up to a whole cylinder.) Also installing windows first allows you to set up lilo to use the MBA and boot windows as the second (or first) choice. (Seems weird having lilo boot windows by default, but I have done this!). == Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
This is what I did, except I believe I used the Linux fdisk to create the partitions. Is this going to make such a difference. Windows does not detect my Linux partitions - so maybe the overlapping partitions my be the answer I will check that out as soon as I get home. Thanks All!! -Original Message- From: Kenneth Scharf [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 8:29 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive. Windows and Linux can co-exist on the same disk drive without problems. I have windows 95 and debian on different partitions of the same disk. Windows / dos will ignore partition types 81, 82 ,83 etc. What you need to do is to first partition the virgin disk under windows (leaving room for linux!) then add your linux partitions using linux fdisk. The reason is to insure that MS fdisk doesn't do the job wrong and grab part of the linux partitions. (I have heard that MS fdisk can try to make partitions not using whole number of cylinders while linux fdisk always rounds up to a whole cylinder.) Also installing windows first allows you to set up lilo to use the MBA and boot windows as the second (or first) choice. (Seems weird having lilo boot windows by default, but I have done this!). == Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive - Other Co-existi ng OS Problems...
This maybe true, but I have noticed that once I mount a DOS floppy in Debian after two or three times It is unreadable by Windows. It seems to me that Linux is Hell on floppies. Even my Debian only floppies seem to have a extremely short life. I thought my Floppy was dying then i changed it and still the same problems. -Original Message- From: Tom Pfeifer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 10:38 PM To: Debian User Mailing List Subject: Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive. John C. Ellingboe wrote: Back when I did use one of the Gates viruses I had problems with win9X writeing to areas of the disk that it shouldn't. Some of those disks are still unusable today because of that. I would make sure that there were NO M$ partations on my Linux disk at all because of that. I would keep all of the M$ stuff on its own disk so it could never access my Linux disks in any way. You have been warned... Well, let's not *too* get carried away with the anti-MS stuff. Nothing any OS writes to any disk, anywhere, will make it permanently unusable. If nothing else, clearing the MBR sector and starting from scratch will work. Tom -- Try Debian GNU/Linux - it's free, it's open source, and it rocks http://www.debian.org -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Person, Roderick wrote: Hey All, Recently, I added a new drive to my system as the slave 2nd drive. Therefore, I made my old drive a Win95 drive so the family could play games and such. Now it seems that everytime I log into my Linux drive (/dev/hdb) I get file system not unmount correctly errors. I fsck and get it in operating conditions and a day or two later i get the same errors. Could this be due to how other users are logging out of win95 or not logging out and just shuting off the machine? Drive 1 is totally win95(1.2GB) drive 2 is 5GB for Linux in 4 partitions and 1GB for win in one partition. Anyone having this problem. Hmmm. So far as I know, just booting Windows (or even powering it down) shouldn't be able to muck up a Linux partition. I can only think of two ways this could happen. First, Windows doesn't agree with Linux about where the partitions are and is overwriting things. In this case, though, you'd probably have a horrible time recovering the filesystem, and it sounds like fsck is doing the job for you so far. Second, someone might be using a Windows tool to access the Linux partition and that utility is buggy. I've never used it but I hear there is some sort of tool that'll let you do that. On the other hand, how do you boot Linux on this machine? Is there a boot menu (like LILO) or do you use a boot floppy? At home, my system boots Linux by default, and only boots Windows if someone specifically asks. Fortunately, my wife knows how to use Linux, at least for web surfing, and knows not to just power off Linux. I don't have a lot of authority in our house, but she trusts me about the computer. :- She only made that mistake once, and I got just the symptoms you describe. If it's possible for your family to accidentally boot Linux, they might say, Oh, shucks and power off and on again for a second try at Windows... thus hosing Linux. Make sure they know the consequences of this. If it's still too hard for them to understand, you can set things up to always boot Windows, and use a boot floppy to boot Linux. It's less convenient for you, but *very* hard for your family to make a mistake (unless you leave the floppy in the drive). If you do this, make sure you have at least one backup boot floppy in case the main one goes bad. Sincerely, Ray Ingles (248)377-7735[EMAIL PROTECTED] Modern inductive method: 1) Devise hypothesis. 2) Apply for grant. 3) Perform experiments. 4) Revise data to fit hypothesis. 5) Publish.
RE: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
I know what you mean about authority! Right now I boot Linux by F8 to stop the windows from loading and then I run my linux bat file that calls loadlin vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1. Now being that my wife is in computer pre-school, I don't think she can boot Linux. The partition argument between windows and Linux should good to me, I'd have to study that more. I was planning to use chos to boot my computer, but right now I don't want the wife and kids playing with Debian. I am a newbie (6 months) and they can barely get a floppy in the drive...that's why I choose the F8 method. Rod -Original Message- From: Raymond A. Ingles [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 4:52 PM To: Person, Roderick Cc: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Subject: Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive. On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Person, Roderick wrote: Hey All, Recently, I added a new drive to my system as the slave 2nd drive. Therefore, I made my old drive a Win95 drive so the family could play games and such. Now it seems that everytime I log into my Linux drive (/dev/hdb) I get file system not unmount correctly errors. I fsck and get it in operating conditions and a day or two later i get the same errors. Could this be due to how other users are logging out of win95 or not logging out and just shuting off the machine? Drive 1 is totally win95(1.2GB) drive 2 is 5GB for Linux in 4 partitions and 1GB for win in one partition. Anyone having this problem. Hmmm. So far as I know, just booting Windows (or even powering it down) shouldn't be able to muck up a Linux partition. I can only think of two ways this could happen. First, Windows doesn't agree with Linux about where the partitions are and is overwriting things. In this case, though, you'd probably have a horrible time recovering the filesystem, and it sounds like fsck is doing the job for you so far. Second, someone might be using a Windows tool to access the Linux partition and that utility is buggy. I've never used it but I hear there is some sort of tool that'll let you do that. On the other hand, how do you boot Linux on this machine? Is there a boot menu (like LILO) or do you use a boot floppy? At home, my system boots Linux by default, and only boots Windows if someone specifically asks. Fortunately, my wife knows how to use Linux, at least for web surfing, and knows not to just power off Linux. I don't have a lot of authority in our house, but she trusts me about the computer. :- She only made that mistake once, and I got just the symptoms you describe. If it's possible for your family to accidentally boot Linux, they might say, Oh, shucks and power off and on again for a second try at Windows... thus hosing Linux. Make sure they know the consequences of this. If it's still too hard for them to understand, you can set things up to always boot Windows, and use a boot floppy to boot Linux. It's less convenient for you, but *very* hard for your family to make a mistake (unless you leave the floppy in the drive). If you do this, make sure you have at least one backup boot floppy in case the main one goes bad. Sincerely, Ray Ingles (248)377-7735[EMAIL PROTECTED] Modern inductive method: 1) Devise hypothesis. 2) Apply for grant. 3) Perform experiments. 4) Revise data to fit hypothesis. 5) Publish.
Re: Can Windows95 cause error on my Linux Drive.
I don't have a lot of authority in our house, but she trusts me about the computer. :- She only made that mistake once, and I got just the symptoms you describe. It made me laugh...Mine did the same once .. Franck
