Re: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine?
on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:31:19PM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:31:29PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:44PM -0500, Stan Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > I'm trying to get abcde to work. Turns out that the version I have > > > (from progen) is broken. The developers of this package say the > > > version in testing is fine. Probelm is it depends on one more > > > package from testing. > > > > File a bug report against stable. > > That depends on how broken it is. Unless it's totally and utterly > screwed to the point where it's nothing but a waste of space, stable > won't be updated at this point, so filing bugs you know to be fixed in > testing doesn't really help. Filing a bug is still probably the right first step. The maintainer can decide (and the bug filer appeal) the severity of the issue. Without the bug report, there's no communication of the issue. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgp6791zG0bMt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine?
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:31:29PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:44PM -0500, Stan Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > I'm trying to get abcde to work. Turns out that the version I have > > (from progen) is broken. The developers of this package say the > > version in testing is fine. Probelm is it depends on one more > > package from testing. > > File a bug report against stable. That depends on how broken it is. Unless it's totally and utterly screwed to the point where it's nothing but a waste of space, stable won't be updated at this point, so filing bugs you know to be fixed in testing doesn't really help. If it *is* totally screwed, then you might be able to persuade the release manager (via the package maintainer) to let a fixed version in. However, you (Stan) referred to Progeny above, so I don't know if stable is broken as well. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine?
on Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:44PM -0500, Stan Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'm trying to get abcde to work. Turns out that the version I have (from > progen) is broken. The developers of this package say the version in testing > is fine. Probelm is it depends on one more package from testing. File a bug report against stable. > Is there a way I can get this to work? Yes. > If so, how? I strongly discourage split stable/unstable or stable/testing systems. Debian exists largely to resolve package deps. Suggested alternatives: - Upgrade your system(s) to testing or unstable. For most purposes, this works well. - Get your package source from the direct upstream source. This allows Debian to do what it does well: manage the vast majority of your system with minimal intervention on your part. There are various pinning options. They're relatively new, and I'd recommend other alternatives in th meantime. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpAy8JfCzEOc.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine?
Stan, Here's a cut-and-paste-and-slightly-edited version of what I found about almost the same question I asked on this reflector a week or two ago (see thread "RE: cproto.deb for potato not available?"): Scheme using newer version of apt-get than you probably have: It seems the /etc/apt/preferences file is a feature not yet in the stable release of apt-get (version 0.3.19). I found some information about the preferences file in a how-to document based on version 0.5.3 (chapter 3 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/), although I was still a little unclear about how to selectively upgrade a package using this feature. My guess is to use the example in the document for how to downgrade all packages to the stable release versions, then insert a specific entry for the latest version of, in my case, cproto. This is what I did to grab the cproto package from the unstable distribution (a little lower-level, but not too bad once in awhile). Hopefully the upgraded package you'll see in #3 won't be a package that will break other things it depends on if you upgrade it. 1. Added following line to sources.list: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free 2. apt-get -s update The -s (=--dry_run) above seemed to have no effect because the cproto package *was* found in the next step (without update it is not found). 3. apt-get -s install cproto This showed me that apt-get would not upgrade or install any new packages except for cproto. 4. apt-get install cproto This installed the new package. 5. Commented out the line added in #1 I did this so that the next 'apt-get upgrade' won't upgrade me to the unstable release of all the packages I have installed. -Kris -Original Message- From: Stan Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:16 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine? I'm trying to get abcde to work. Turns out that the version I have (from progen) is broken. The developers of this package say the version in testing is fine. Probelm is it depends on one more package from testing. Is there a way I can get this to work? If so, how? -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 843-745-3154 Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 2000 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine?
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:15:44PM -0500, Stan Brown wrote: | I'm trying to get abcde to work. Turns out that the version I have (from | progen) is broken. The developers of this package say the version in testing | is fine. Probelm is it depends on one more package from testing. | | Is there a way I can get this to work? Yes. | If so, how? One of the following : 1) Point a browser at packages.debian.org and download the desired packages (and all deps) and run 'dpkg -i'. 2) edit sources.list to point to woody, 'apt-get update && apt-get install ' put sources.list back 'apt-get update' 3) get the new apt from woody (using (1) or (2)), then set apt-preferences and simply 'apt-get install /' (ie 'apt-get install abcde/testing') HTH, -D
Re: Is it possible to install a few testing packages on a stable machine?
You could try changing your /etc/apt/sources.list to include woody, do an apt-get update , then a apt-get -s -u install abcde to see what would happen An alternative would be to try grip which I like even better than abcde Stan Brown wrote: I'm trying to get abcde to work. Turns out that the version I have (from progen) is broken. The developers of this package say the version in testing is fine. Probelm is it depends on one more package from testing. Is there a way I can get this to work? If so, how? -- Thomas R. Shemanske (Mailing Address) (Office/Internet Information) Department of Mathematics 203 Choate House 6188 Bradley Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dartmouth College http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~trs/ Hanover, NH 03755-3551 (603) 646 - 3179 Directions: http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~trs/choatehouse.html Office hours: http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~trs/frontmatter/office.html Fall Term Office Hours: M,F 3 - 4:30, W 8:30 - 10.
