Re: Launch App without X-Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. I have a couple of things... What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some other application and without actually having a desktop environment have the applications still launch for me. 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended links to read about what I actually want to do? Thanks a lot, Stephen Hi Stephen, here is some info: firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. video card-kernel modules-kernel- X windows modules- x server+firefox window manager+ x libraries+ There are many types of applications: console curses-based frame-buffer based x based - -athena-based - -qt based - -gtk based - -other toolkits - -x frame buffer based The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. $ apt-cache show xvfb Package: xvfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 3800 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force debian-x@lists.debian.org Architecture: i386 Source: xorg-server Version: 2:1.1.1-14 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: xbase-clients Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb Size: 1536234 MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. . This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth program. . More information about X.Org can be found at: URL:http://xorg.freedesktop.org URL:http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg . This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver cheers, Kev - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpT0+v8UcC1qRZVMRAp9qAJ4v4Sw4cT+nE3oHKulNYsChikkEeACdFnrY S4m4BYpQQc4z7nbmBjVoCe4= =4bXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Launch App without X-Windows
Thanks for the quick response. So it seems like I would ALWAYS need an X-Server but I can do without a Window Manager. -Stephen From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 1/10/2007 2:23 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. I have a couple of things... What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some other application and without actually having a desktop environment have the applications still launch for me. 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended links to read about what I actually want to do? Thanks a lot, Stephen Hi Stephen, here is some info: firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. video card-kernel modules-kernel- X windows modules- x server+firefox window manager+ x libraries+ There are many types of applications: console curses-based frame-buffer based x based - -athena-based - -qt based - -gtk based - -other toolkits - -x frame buffer based The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. $ apt-cache show xvfb Package: xvfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 3800 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force debian-x@lists.debian.org Architecture: i386 Source: xorg-server Version: 2:1.1.1-14 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: xbase-clients Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb Size: 1536234 MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. . This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth program. . More information about X.Org can be found at: URL:http://xorg.freedesktop.org http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ URL:http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg . This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver cheers, Kev - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpT0+v8UcC1qRZVMRAp9qAJ4v4Sw4cT+nE3oHKulNYsChikkEeACdFnrY S4m4BYpQQc4z7nbmBjVoCe4= =4bXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Launch App without X-Windows
Or no Desktop Manager...no KDM, GDM, ETC... -Original Message- From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:24 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. I have a couple of things... What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some other application and without actually having a desktop environment have the applications still launch for me. 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended links to read about what I actually want to do? Thanks a lot, Stephen Hi Stephen, here is some info: firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. video card-kernel modules-kernel- X windows modules- x server+firefox window manager+ x libraries+ There are many types of applications: console curses-based frame-buffer based x based - -athena-based - -qt based - -gtk based - -other toolkits - -x frame buffer based The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. $ apt-cache show xvfb Package: xvfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 3800 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force debian-x@lists.debian.org Architecture: i386 Source: xorg-server Version: 2:1.1.1-14 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: xbase-clients Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb Size: 1536234 MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. . This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth program. . More information about X.Org can be found at: URL:http://xorg.freedesktop.org URL:http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg . This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver cheers, Kev - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFpT0+v8UcC1qRZVMRAp9qAJ4v4Sw4cT+nE3oHKulNYsChikkEeACdFnrY S4m4BYpQQc4z7nbmBjVoCe4= =4bXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Launch App without X-Windows
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:26:07PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Thanks for the quick response. So it seems like I would ALWAYS need an X-Server but I can do without a Window Manager. no you don't ALWAYS need an X-server. However, to run X applications, you do. You are correct in that you do not need a window manager. You can run an X application all on its own within X. for example, you could (assuming you have X configured), create a .xinitrc file in your home directory with the following contents: firefox then type startx at the command prompt and you'll get an X session with just the one application running in it, probably full screen. How well this might behave is debateable. you can also do away with all the *dm's and just run a windowmanager directly with an .xinitrc that looks like this fvwm or whatever window manager you want. A -Stephen From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 1/10/2007 2:23 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. I have a couple of things... What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some other application and without actually having a desktop environment have the applications still launch for me. 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended links to read about what I actually want to do? Thanks a lot, Stephen Hi Stephen, here is some info: firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. video card-kernel modules-kernel- X windows modules- x server+firefox window manager+ x libraries+ There are many types of applications: console curses-based frame-buffer based x based -athena-based -qt based -gtk based -other toolkits -x frame buffer based The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. $ apt-cache show xvfb Package: xvfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 3800 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force debian-x@lists.debian.org Architecture: i386 Source: xorg-server Version: 2:1.1.1-14 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: xbase-clients Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb Size: 1536234 MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. . This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth program. . More information about X.Org can be found at: URL:http://xorg.freedesktop.org http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ URL:http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg . This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Launch App without X-Windows
Thanks a lot Andrew. I think you have cleared up a few things for me now and think I have to go and research the .xinitrc file and see if that is going to work properly with fluxbox so I can get rid of GDM and just launch a single app on boot up...sort of a Kiosk type setup for a LiveCD project which was just thrown at me. Thanks again for the answers. -Stephen -Original Message- From: Andrew Sackville-West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:51 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:26:07PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Thanks for the quick response. So it seems like I would ALWAYS need an X-Server but I can do without a Window Manager. no you don't ALWAYS need an X-server. However, to run X applications, you do. You are correct in that you do not need a window manager. You can run an X application all on its own within X. for example, you could (assuming you have X configured), create a .xinitrc file in your home directory with the following contents: firefox then type startx at the command prompt and you'll get an X session with just the one application running in it, probably full screen. How well this might behave is debateable. you can also do away with all the *dm's and just run a windowmanager directly with an .xinitrc that looks like this fvwm or whatever window manager you want. A -Stephen From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 1/10/2007 2:23 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Launch App without X-Windows On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Hello all and thanks in advance to any replies I get to this message. I have a couple of things... What I want to do is be able to launch applications without actually loading X. What I mean is, I want to load RDesktop or Firefox or some other application and without actually having a desktop environment have the applications still launch for me. 1. What necessary pieces would I absolutely have to have in place? (Window Manager, Video stuff, Mouse, Keyboard, ETC) 2. Any recommended links to read about what I actually want to do? Thanks a lot, Stephen Hi Stephen, here is some info: firefox requires X windows. X windows has certain requirements. video card-kernel modules-kernel- X windows modules- x server+firefox window manager+ x libraries+ There are many types of applications: console curses-based frame-buffer based x based -athena-based -qt based -gtk based -other toolkits -x frame buffer based The only way I know of running an X windows app with out using a regular X server is by using the x virtual frame buffer server. $ apt-cache show xvfb Package: xvfb Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 3800 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force debian-x@lists.debian.org Architecture: i386 Source: xorg-server Version: 2:1.1.1-14 Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) Recommends: xbase-clients Filename: pool/main/x/xorg-server/xvfb_1.1.1-14_i386.deb Size: 1536234 MD5sum: 4f008f696f8aa23aef59090898a2a63b SHA1: 539a380d0dc0f16ba81c7eeb371e307524645d0e SHA256: 8590b30e11df3684e49bd70b5946215eeab71d64881974507b15279c933559cf Description: Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server Xvfb provides an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. The primary use of this server was intended to be server testing, but other novel uses for it have been found, including testing clients against unusual depths and screen configurations, doing batch processing with Xvfb as a background rendering engine, load testing, as an aid to porting the X server to a new platform, and providing an unobtrusive way to run applications that don't really need an X server but insist on having one anyway. . This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which simplifies the automated execution of X clients in a virtual server environment. This convenience script requires the use of the xauth program. . More information about X.Org can be found at: URL:http://xorg.freedesktop.org http://xorg.freedesktop.org/ URL:http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg . This module can be found as the module 'xserver/xorg' at :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/xorg Tag: interface::framebuffer, network::server, role::program, x11::xserver cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | 'under construction' | | `. `' Operating System| go
Re: Launch App without X-Windows
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 04:08:02PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Thanks a lot Andrew. I think you have cleared up a few things for me now and think I have to go and research the .xinitrc file and see if that is going to work properly with fluxbox so I can get rid of GDM and just launch a single app on boot up...sort of a Kiosk type setup for a LiveCD project which was just thrown at me. well, you don't even need fluxbox. if its just the single app and that's all you want to run, then a one line xinitrc should do it. A On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:26:07PM -0500, Stephen Yorke wrote: Thanks for the quick response. So it seems like I would ALWAYS need an X-Server but I can do without a Window Manager. no you don't ALWAYS need an X-server. However, to run X applications, you do. You are correct in that you do not need a window manager. You can run an X application all on its own within X. for example, you could (assuming you have X configured), create a .xinitrc file in your home directory with the following contents: firefox then type startx at the command prompt and you'll get an X session with just the one application running in it, probably full screen. How well this might behave is debateable. you can also do away with all the *dm's and just run a windowmanager directly with an .xinitrc that looks like this fvwm or whatever window manager you want. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
