Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Ma, 21 sep 10, 22:37:42, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Well, I'm actually making progress here. I went back and started over. This time I didn't install the desktop task - only the standard system one. Everything from the command line seems to work fine, including ps. So the next step is to figure out what is installed when desktop is selected. So far I haven't been able to find any detailed doc about it. The answer is in the tasksel package. HTH, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/22/2010 11:48 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry, You keep saying things like: I appreciate the comments, but people just don't understand. Another virtual machine is NOT an option here. I either get it to work under Virtual PC or have to toss Debian all together. There are no other choices. The decision is totally out of my hands. As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open for discussion. The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like Microsoft are NOT valid reasons. and And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. and I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) What you HAVEN'T said is: - what you're actually trying to accomplish - why you're so adamant about running the specific combination of Debian Lenny under VPC under Windows7 - who's decision it is, or - what the decision criteria are Is this a technical or a management mandate? If technical, there are an awful lot of folks who are telling you that the particular combination of Win7/VPC/Lenny is a pretty complicated combination, never designed to work well together, without any real documentation - and that there are other, more reliable ways to get a Linux environment running under Windows. More scoping as to the ultimate goal might help generate advice on work-around for the things that aren't working (or advice along the lines of that's just a crazy approach to the problem you're trying to solve). If managerial, then how much time does your management want to invest, and how detailed an answer do they really need before deciding that some other approach makes more sense. In short: - it's abundantly clear that your configuration doesn't work - there's no simple answer to why it won't work - apparently the simple answer - we tried, this combination of software doesn't play nicely is not good enough for somebody - for your particular application, maybe you SHOULD toss Debian all together Though, out of purely perverse interest, it would be nice to know what the heck this is all about. Miles Fidelman No, Miles, I have not talked about why because it is not open for discussion. Also, I do not want to get off the technical aspects of the subject. So I will not discuss it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c9b51a0.6020...@attglobal.net
Re: Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
Jerry, You keep saying things like: I appreciate the comments, but people just don't understand. Another virtual machine is NOT an option here. I either get it to work under Virtual PC or have to toss Debian all together. There are no other choices. The decision is totally out of my hands. As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open for discussion. The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like Microsoft are NOT valid reasons. and And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. and I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) What you HAVEN'T said is: - what you're actually trying to accomplish - why you're so adamant about running the specific combination of Debian Lenny under VPC under Windows7 - who's decision it is, or - what the decision criteria are Is this a technical or a management mandate? If technical, there are an awful lot of folks who are telling you that the particular combination of Win7/VPC/Lenny is a pretty complicated combination, never designed to work well together, without any real documentation - and that there are other, more reliable ways to get a Linux environment running under Windows. More scoping as to the ultimate goal might help generate advice on work-around for the things that aren't working (or advice along the lines of that's just a crazy approach to the problem you're trying to solve). If managerial, then how much time does your management want to invest, and how detailed an answer do they really need before deciding that some other approach makes more sense. In short: - it's abundantly clear that your configuration doesn't work - there's no simple answer to why it won't work - apparently the simple answer - we tried, this combination of software doesn't play nicely is not good enough for somebody - for your particular application, maybe you SHOULD toss Debian all together Though, out of purely perverse interest, it would be nice to know what the heck this is all about. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In fnord practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c9ace05.7080...@meetinghouse.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
Well, I'm actually making progress here. I went back and started over. This time I didn't install the desktop task - only the standard system one. Everything from the command line seems to work fine, including ps. So the next step is to figure out what is installed when desktop is selected. So far I haven't been able to find any detailed doc about it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c996bf6.6090...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/19/2010 11:27 PM, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/19/2010 10:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open for discussion. The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like Microsoft are NOT valid reasons. I did not say I don't like Microsoft. I tried it with seven distros. Granted, not today's distros. Well, Lenny and six others. If you don't want to use a non-MS product, fine. I think you are doomed to frustration. If you want a Microsoft product, install Server 2008 R2 and enable the Hyper-V role. Hyper-V will run Linux and UNIX(tm). Sorry, Mark, the comment about not liking Microsoft was not necessarily aimed at you, but others on the list. Installing Server 2008 is not an option, either. I need to make this work or have concrete reasons as to why it doesn't work. Guesses, opinions, etc. won't make it. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c974c20.8050...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 12:12 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Jerry Stucklejstuc...@attglobal.net writes: And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. It's fairly difficult to answer such a guestion, especially without source code to Windows 7 :-) Not at all. I've done similar things many times over the last 40+ years of programming. You don't need the source code to determine what is not working properly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c974df0.20...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
Okay. Allow me to make things clear. Most of us DON'T F** KNOW why it doesn't work. But it came to us that it won't work no matter what we do. I personnally tried to have Virtual PC work with Linux on 7 'cause I have Windows XP Mode running, but i couldn't get it to work. Try ALOT of possible configuration. Almost all of them, if not all. But still couldn't get a stable Debian VM running. So, yeah, we don't know how to get it to work with MVPC. And don't know where exactly the problem lies. Obvously Microsoft didn't include some things Linux needs. It's a choice, everyone has an opinion about this, it's not the point of this mail. So we offer you alternatives. If it isn't enough for you, just chill out. If you're not open for discussion about this, WE CAN'T HELP YOU. Try elsewhere. No offense intended on this mail. I'm tired of reading people talking to a wall (you). 2010/9/20 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net On 9/20/2010 12:12 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Jerry Stucklejstuc...@attglobal.net writes: And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. It's fairly difficult to answer such a guestion, especially without source code to Windows 7 :-) Not at all. I've done similar things many times over the last 40+ years of programming. You don't need the source code to determine what is not working properly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c974df0.20...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Seg, 20 Set 2010, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I need to make this work or have concrete reasons as to why it doesn't work. Guesses, opinions, etc. won't make it. Stubbornly sticking to a software that you empirically determined that doesn't work won't make it, too. But it's your computer and your call, you can do whatever you want. -- There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum. -- Arthur C. Clarke Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100920093012.56234lcttp0g1...@mail.kalinowski.com.br
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 12:06 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get gnome's display correct. I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) TIA. Jerry This thread describes getting Ubuntu running in Windows 7 Virtual PC, the information may be useful to you. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466888 Cheers Scott, Thanks for the link, but I've already added the vga=791 noreplace-paravirt to the grub startup, and most of the rest aren't applicable - lenny installed ok. And BTW, I also had to change /etc/X11/xorg.conf as indicated on http://wiki.debian.org/MicrosoftVirtualPc2007/lenny. It's working to some extent. But I can't figure out why ps would work in single user mode but not when I boot normally. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c9753dc.60...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 8:27 AM, Eric Viseur wrote: Okay. Allow me to make things clear. Most of us DON'T F** KNOW why it doesn't work. But it came to us that it won't work no matter what we do. I personnally tried to have Virtual PC work with Linux on 7 'cause I have Windows XP Mode running, but i couldn't get it to work. Try ALOT of possible configuration. Almost all of them, if not all. But still couldn't get a stable Debian VM running. So, yeah, we don't know how to get it to work with MVPC. And don't know where exactly the problem lies. Obvously Microsoft didn't include some things Linux needs. It's a choice, everyone has an opinion about this, it's not the point of this mail. So we offer you alternatives. If it isn't enough for you, just chill out. If you're not open for discussion about this, WE CAN'T HELP YOU. Try elsewhere. No offense intended on this mail. I'm tired of reading people talking to a wall (you). You just don't get it. NOT EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE ! The bottom line here is - I get it working on Virtual PC or have to dump lenny. Period. And maybe YOU can't help me. But OTHERS are trying to be helpful. SO GET OFF MY BACK. IF YOU CAN'T BE HELPFUL, THEN STFU! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c97554a.3000...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 8:30 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On Seg, 20 Set 2010, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I need to make this work or have concrete reasons as to why it doesn't work. Guesses, opinions, etc. won't make it. Stubbornly sticking to a software that you empirically determined that doesn't work won't make it, too. But it's your computer and your call, you can do whatever you want. But that's what you guys don't get. IT'S NOT MY CALL! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c975c0a.9080...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:15:42 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: (...) I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? Have you try by performing a completely new install (by downloading a new iso image and verifying the checksum before installing)? Maybe something got messed-up and VM can be very picky when they find things they don't like. Also, debugging virtual machines is not an easy (neither pleasure) task :-) I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) Suggestions provided by other list users (like testing with another virtual machine) are also a very good idea. Why? - First, because is what many of us would have done in your same situation (it is very rare that running a simple ps command halts with illegal instruction, that error message comes from the virtual machine, so VM is the first suspect here). - Second, because Virtual PC is not a very good virtual machine (it lacks for many basic functions, technically speaking, there are better choices, such VirtualBox or Vmware Server). A quick view of Wikipedia virtual machines comparison chart states so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines - Third, because by you'll get further (and better) support, at least from anyone here... being this a Debian user list, is not very probable that some of us were running a VM that cannot be installed in Debian by any means (well, maybe could be installed from Wine :-P). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.09.20.13.54...@gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 9:54 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:15:42 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: (...) I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? Have you try by performing a completely new install (by downloading a new iso image and verifying the checksum before installing)? I did a network install, so I only downloaded the first CD. No, I haven't tried downloading this again - it's a good idea, and I'll do that. I have tried installing the code several times, all with the same results. Maybe I need to bite the bullet and download everything. That's going to be fun! Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe something got messed-up and VM can be very picky when they find things they don't like. Also, debugging virtual machines is not an easy (neither pleasure) task :-) Yes, I know that - I've had to do it in the past on mainframes. I agree, it's not a lot of fun. I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) Suggestions provided by other list users (like testing with another virtual machine) are also a very good idea. Why? - First, because is what many of us would have done in your same situation (it is very rare that running a simple ps command halts with illegal instruction, that error message comes from the virtual machine, so VM is the first suspect here). - Second, because Virtual PC is not a very good virtual machine (it lacks for many basic functions, technically speaking, there are better choices, such VirtualBox or Vmware Server). A quick view of Wikipedia virtual machines comparison chart states so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines - Third, because by you'll get further (and better) support, at least from anyone here... being this a Debian user list, is not very probable that some of us were running a VM that cannot be installed in Debian by any means (well, maybe could be installed from Wine :-P). Greetings, I appreciate the comments, but people just don't understand. Another virtual machine is NOT an option here. I either get it to work under Virtual PC or have to toss Debian all together. There are no other choices. The decision is totally out of my hands. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c9777c0.4040...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:03:28 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/20/2010 9:54 AM, Camaleón wrote: (...) A quick view of Wikipedia virtual machines comparison chart states so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines - Third, because by you'll get further (and better) support, at least from anyone here... being this a Debian user list, is not very probable that some of us were running a VM that cannot be installed in Debian by any means (well, maybe could be installed from Wine :-P). I appreciate the comments, but people just don't understand. Maybe because you were providing fuzzy information ;-) You said (regarding Virtual PC): *** (...) unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open for discussion. *** So changing VM is or isn't open for discussion? You cannot change it even if does not work? :-? If there is no chance for changing, that's right, but you had to have said that before. Another virtual machine is NOT an option here. I either get it to work under Virtual PC or have to toss Debian all together. There are no other choices. The decision is totally out of my hands. Then start the installation from scratch. Or try first to load into the VM a Debian LiveCD, and see what happens. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.09.20.15.19...@gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
Jerry Stuckle writes: I need to make this work or have concrete reasons as to why it doesn't work. Then why are you addressing your question to us and not to Microsoft? Debian works on real hardware. This Microsoft software purports to emulate real hardware. Therefor the fact that Debian does not run on it proves that it is buggy. Since it is closed source only Microsoft has any realistic chance of finding the bug. Guesses, opinions, etc. won't make it. Microsoft claims that it would be illegal for us to try to find the bug even if we thought it worth the considerable effort. And if we found it, what then? We wouldn't be able to fix it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mxrcwivq@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
The thing of it is, this doesn't sound like a Debian problem/question. And most every suggestion is given with that in mind. So if you wanted to see if it was a Debian problem, then you'd do things like try it in another VM. Of course, this isn't possible for whatever reason - doesn't matter - therefore we must rely on best guess. And best guess would seem to be its a problem with VPC. You may get lucky and find someone on this list has had the exact same problem and solved it, but it's far more likely that you'll get assistance from the VPC people for this, either their forums or mailing list or irc channel. Maybe this has already been explained though, I haven't followed the entire thread. Regards, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktim=cl4dksqroldqv-t0e-m03eifvhvxkvbjs...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 9/20/2010 11:29 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: The thing of it is, this doesn't sound like a Debian problem/question. And most every suggestion is given with that in mind. So if you wanted to see if it was a Debian problem, then you'd do things like try it in another VM. Of course, this isn't possible for whatever reason - doesn't matter - therefore we must rely on best guess. And best guess would seem to be its a problem with VPC. You may get lucky and find someone on this list has had the exact same problem and solved it, but it's far more likely that you'll get assistance from the VPC people for this, either their forums or mailing list or irc channel. Maybe this has already been explained though, I haven't followed the entire thread. Regards, AM The VPC people won't help - they don't support non-MS OS's. And I'm not necessarily looking for someone who has had the problem before, but some clues as to how to find the problem. As I said - I am a Debian noob, but I am not a noob to programming or computers. I just don't know the code or debugging aids available to me here. Please reply to list. It's a mistake I've often made, but is generally frowned upon. As for the code or debugging aids available, the answer is simple; none at all. I'm sure I've seen this mentioned already though, and the 'blame' for this lies with Microsoft for going closed source, or whoever in your organization made the decision to use it. Regardless, I think your only realistic option at this point is to abandon running a Virtualized Debian. Perhaps you'll have greater success with some other distro, Red-Hat, Cent-Os come to mind. Kind regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=jows_5jreaege7v=k_cf-wjapjdwfwpxdq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get gnome's display correct. I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) TIA. Jerry Perhaps some of the links off this link might be useful http://blogs.msdn.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=linuxsections=4122 Cheers -- *In case you never receive this mail, please notify me immediately* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c979755.1000...@gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically Perhaps some of the links off this link might be useful http://blogs.msdn.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=linuxsections=4122 Nice links. Basically says Enterprise versions of Linux are supported, Red Hat and Suse. Debian is not listed as supported. AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikg0bfvjqwc=h2wlpimqe-wrgyjnsn9gwgnc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
Arthur Machlas wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically Perhaps some of the links off this link might be useful http://blogs.msdn.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=linuxsections=4122 Nice links. Basically says Enterprise versions of Linux are supported, Red Hat and Suse. Debian is not listed as supported. AM It may be worth trying CentOS since it's pretty much re-branded Red Hat. I haven't seen the additions myself, but I wonder if they can be adapted to other distros. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c97a1e3.7010...@paulscrap.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 10:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I appreciate the comments, but people just don't understand. Another virtual machine is NOT an option here. I either get it to work under Virtual PC or have to toss Debian all together. There are no other choices. The decision is totally out of my hands. It is possible to install Virtual PC 2007 (and then the update to it) on Windows 7. I suggest doing so and trying that. Win 7 won't upgrade from XP with 2007 installed, but once Win 7 is running, you can reinstall it. I had better luck with it than I did with the Win 7 version of VPC. Keep in mind, I was quite literal and serious when I said that Virtual PC is for running older MS OS products *only*. Microsoft doesn't give a rat's ass if you can't run Debian on it. *They* will tell you to get Server 2008 R2. If you get this to work, you should do the world a favor and write a HOWTO about it, and post it where it can be found by one and all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c97ec34.2020...@allums.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 10:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I appreciate the comments, but people just don't understand. Another virtual machine is NOT an option here. I either get it to work under Virtual PC or have to toss Debian all together. There are no other choices. The decision is totally out of my hands. Let me guess: You are already running Virtual PC with something, maybe running an old app in XP Mode. Other VMs running at the same time as VPC causes the dreaded BSOD. Your boss won't let you migrate the old app in XP mode to a new VM. AmIright? The problem is still Virtual PC, because it doesn't play nice with other virtualization programs running at the same time. For instance, I routinely run Virtualbox and NMware Desktop simultaneously. But if I forget and start XP mode while either or both are running---BOOM! BSOD. I recommend moving whatever you are running over to VMware server and ditch VPC and XP mode. I sorry if I have guessed wrong or your boss won't let you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c97f391.8050...@allums.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 6:51 PM, Mark Allums wrote: For instance, I routinely run Virtualbox and NMware Desktop simultaneously. But if I forget and start XP mode while either or both are running---BOOM! BSOD. That's VMware, not NMware. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c97f44d.2040...@allums.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 7:51 PM, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/20/2010 10:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I appreciate the comments, but people just don't understand. Another virtual machine is NOT an option here. I either get it to work under Virtual PC or have to toss Debian all together. There are no other choices. The decision is totally out of my hands. Let me guess: You are already running Virtual PC with something, maybe running an old app in XP Mode. Other VMs running at the same time as VPC causes the dreaded BSOD. Your boss won't let you migrate the old app in XP mode to a new VM. AmIright? Not exactly, but close enough. The bottom line is - it's either Virtual PC or no Debian. There is no other choice. The problem is still Virtual PC, because it doesn't play nice with other virtualization programs running at the same time. For instance, I routinely run Virtualbox and NMware Desktop simultaneously. But if I forget and start XP mode while either or both are running---BOOM! BSOD. I recommend moving whatever you are running over to VMware server and ditch VPC and XP mode. I sorry if I have guessed wrong or your boss won't let you. As I've said repeatedly - impossible. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c980295.1010...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 7:20 PM, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/20/2010 10:03 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I appreciate the comments, but people just don't understand. Another virtual machine is NOT an option here. I either get it to work under Virtual PC or have to toss Debian all together. There are no other choices. The decision is totally out of my hands. It is possible to install Virtual PC 2007 (and then the update to it) on Windows 7. I suggest doing so and trying that. Win 7 won't upgrade from XP with 2007 installed, but once Win 7 is running, you can reinstall it. I had better luck with it than I did with the Win 7 version of VPC. Keep in mind, I was quite literal and serious when I said that Virtual PC is for running older MS OS products *only*. Microsoft doesn't give a rat's ass if you can't run Debian on it. *They* will tell you to get Server 2008 R2. That may be a possibility. I'll check it out. But getting Server 2008 is not. If you get this to work, you should do the world a favor and write a HOWTO about it, and post it where it can be found by one and all. I will if I can - but if the others here who know more than I can't get it to work, then I'll have to toss the entire idea. Too bad - I really wanted to introduce them to Linux. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c980342.3050...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 1:18 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get gnome's display correct. I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) TIA. Jerry Perhaps some of the links off this link might be useful http://blogs.msdn.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=linuxsections=4122 Cheers Thanks, Scott, but it looks like these links are for Virtual Machine running on Windows Server 2008. I can't find anything on Windows 7's virtualization. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c980598.7030...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 12:41 PM, Arthur Machlas wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Jerry Stucklejstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 9/20/2010 11:29 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: The thing of it is, this doesn't sound like a Debian problem/question. And most every suggestion is given with that in mind. So if you wanted to see if it was a Debian problem, then you'd do things like try it in another VM. Of course, this isn't possible for whatever reason - doesn't matter - therefore we must rely on best guess. And best guess would seem to be its a problem with VPC. You may get lucky and find someone on this list has had the exact same problem and solved it, but it's far more likely that you'll get assistance from the VPC people for this, either their forums or mailing list or irc channel. Maybe this has already been explained though, I haven't followed the entire thread. Regards, AM The VPC people won't help - they don't support non-MS OS's. And I'm not necessarily looking for someone who has had the problem before, but some clues as to how to find the problem. As I said - I am a Debian noob, but I am not a noob to programming or computers. I just don't know the code or debugging aids available to me here. Please reply to list. It's a mistake I've often made, but is generally frowned upon. As for the code or debugging aids available, the answer is simple; none at all. Sorry, I thought I did. But the way this list is set up, the default is to reply to the author. It's something I screw up on other lists configured the same way, also :( I'm sure I've seen this mentioned already though, and the 'blame' for this lies with Microsoft for going closed source, or whoever in your organization made the decision to use it. Regardless, I think your only realistic option at this point is to abandon running a Virtualized Debian. Perhaps you'll have greater success with some other distro, Red-Hat, Cent-Os come to mind. Kind regards, I guess I may have to. Too bad - I like Debian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c98067f.7070...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 21/09/10 11:08, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/20/2010 1:18 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get gnome's display correct. I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) TIA. Jerry Perhaps some of the links off this link might be useful http://blogs.msdn.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=linuxsections=4122 Cheers Thanks, Scott, but it looks like these links are for Virtual Machine running on Windows Server 2008. I can't find anything on Windows 7's virtualization. Hey - it was 4am here (at the time)! :-D Yes, I noticed they were for WS2008 - it's what I could find, and where I thought I'd find clues to the differences between VPC2007 and VPCW7. Having endured the indignity of reboots, and (shudder) a validation check, I'm just starting a VPC install as I type. Vm in a vm... wearing gloves, no debugger running, honest, NOP, NOP, NOP ;-p More (hopefully) later... Cheers -- *In case you never receive this mail, please notify me immediately* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c980a86.7050...@gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/20/2010 9:29 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 21/09/10 11:08, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Thanks, Scott, but it looks like these links are for Virtual Machine running on Windows Server 2008. I can't find anything on Windows 7's virtualization. Hey - it was 4am here (at the time)! :-D Yes, I noticed they were for WS2008 - it's what I could find, and where I thought I'd find clues to the differences between VPC2007 and VPCW7. Having endured the indignity of reboots, and (shudder) a validation check, I'm just starting a VPC install as I type. Vm in a vm... wearing gloves, no debugger running, honest, NOP, NOP, NOP ;-p More (hopefully) later... Cheers I really do appreciate the work - especially at 4AM! I did get a little farther. I stopped gdm and tried it from a command prompt; no change. So I brought up gdb and found the illegal instruction is in libproc-3.2.7.so. Not knowing much about gdb, this is as far as I've gotten so far. I need to look into it more to see how to display the appropriate disassembly. Also, are debug versions of the modules (with symbols) available? And something I should have clarified earlier - much of Debian works. But there are a few things here and there which don't - but enough to be a show stopper. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c980fe9.6020...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 20 September 2010 22:52, Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: On 9/20/2010 9:29 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 21/09/10 11:08, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Thanks, Scott, but it looks like these links are for Virtual Machine running on Windows Server 2008. I can't find anything on Windows 7's virtualization. Hey - it was 4am here (at the time)! :-D Yes, I noticed they were for WS2008 - it's what I could find, and where I thought I'd find clues to the differences between VPC2007 and VPCW7. Having endured the indignity of reboots, and (shudder) a validation check, I'm just starting a VPC install as I type. Vm in a vm... wearing gloves, no debugger running, honest, NOP, NOP, NOP ;-p More (hopefully) later... Cheers I really do appreciate the work - especially at 4AM! I did get a little farther. I stopped gdm and tried it from a command prompt; no change. So I brought up gdb and found the illegal instruction is in libproc-3.2.7.so. Not knowing much about gdb, this is as far as I've gotten so far. I need to look into it more to see how to display the appropriate disassembly. Also, are debug versions of the modules (with symbols) available? And something I should have clarified earlier - much of Debian works. But there are a few things here and there which don't - but enough to be a show stopper. There usually is a package with the same name as the one that provides the lib, but with a -dbg suffix. This is the one that provides debugging symbols. I suggest that you do: # aptitude install apt-file # apt-file update (takes a little while to download the necessary info) # apt-file search libproc-3.2.7.so and then installing the -dbg package found by apt-file. Anyway, you could try reinstalling the package that provides said lib. It is just one aptitude reinstall away. If you think that the download might have been corrupted, delete the package from /var/cache/apt/archives and reinstall. Cheers, Cassiano Leal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinlyfozo8eyj2a5+hwjrl5-u7pmmrahzatw7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
For instance, I routinely run Virtualbox and NMware Desktop simultaneously. But if I forget and start XP mode while either or both are running---BOOM! BSOD. I doubt anyone cares, but I thought I should clarify. My experience has been thus: If you are running VPC and you start Virtualbox, vbox checks something and then prints a warning. On the other hand, if vbox is running and you start VPC, BSOD. This just supports my blaming VPC, because it's not a good neighbor, in this case. It doesn't help OPs problem, I just thought I would throw it out there. It may not be true anymore, it could be fixed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c9829f0.70...@allums.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes: I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. So gnome starts but ps fails? Very odd. Please 1) apt-get install debsums 2) debsums to see if any files are corrupted. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/84wrqh1cvu@sauna.l.org
RE: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:15:42 -0400 jstuc...@attglobal.net This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get gnome's display correct. I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) Have you tried any other Linux environments through your Virtual PC? Or maybe even tried Virtual Box or VMware on Windows 7 to run Linux? I have had sucess with both, but I never tried Microsoft's Virtual PC. -M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bay148-w53ae556bb674358520a3b3ef...@phx.gbl
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/19/2010 7:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get gnome's display correct. I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) Your problem is probably Virtual PC. Try Virtualbox (free) or VMware server (free) or VMware Desktop (paid and kind of expensive but much more usable for newbies than server). I have some Virtualbox installations, and Debian---both 32-bit and 64-bit---runs great on it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c96af71.1050...@allums.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/19/2010 8:23 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Jerry Stucklejstuc...@attglobal.net writes: I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. So gnome starts but ps fails? Very odd. Please 1) apt-get install debsums 2) debsums to see if any files are corrupted. Hi, Timo, and thanks for responding. Yes, gnome starts, although occasionally I get debsums by itself found a LOT of good files, so I ran it with -s. The only mismatch it found was on /usr/lib/openoffice/share/config/javasettingsunopkginstall.xml. That shouldn't be a problem. Rerunning with -a -s added a mismatch for /etc/console-tools/config But I don't think that should be a problem, either. Further testing indicates when I boot into the single user mode, ps works fine. Also, during normal boot I found an Illegal Instruction message for sysctl - which fails from a command line on normal boot also, but works in single user mode. And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c96bbac.4090...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/19/2010 8:41 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. It doesn't work because it doesn't work. Microsoft doesn't care if any OS besides a Microsoft-produced one works. That's what Virtual PC is for, to run MS OSes. I have tried it. It is unstable with the distributions of Linux I tried. Debian 4,5, Ubuntu 5,6,8, Mandriva, SuSE. SuSE worked best. Virtual PC 2004 and 2007 worked better than Windows 7. Good luck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c96c024.40...@allums.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:48:49 -0500 Mark Allums mark wrote: Your problem is probably Virtual PC. Try Virtualbox (free) or VMware server (free) or VMware Desktop (paid and kind of expensive but much more usable for newbies than server). Its a known problem. very much a known problem! its something with the software emulation of certain bits of hardware... From what I know. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/19/2010 10:00 PM, Mark Allums wrote: On 9/19/2010 8:41 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. It doesn't work because it doesn't work. Microsoft doesn't care if any OS besides a Microsoft-produced one works. That's what Virtual PC is for, to run MS OSes. I have tried it. It is unstable with the distributions of Linux I tried. Debian 4,5, Ubuntu 5,6,8, Mandriva, SuSE. SuSE worked best. Virtual PC 2004 and 2007 worked better than Windows 7. Good luck. As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open for discussion. The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like Microsoft are NOT valid reasons. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c96d0d6.30...@attglobal.net
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 9/19/2010 10:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open for discussion. The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like Microsoft are NOT valid reasons. I did not say I don't like Microsoft. I tried it with seven distros. Granted, not today's distros. Well, Lenny and six others. If you don't want to use a non-MS product, fine. I think you are doomed to frustration. If you want a Microsoft product, install Server 2008 R2 and enable the Hyper-V role. Hyper-V will run Linux and UNIX(tm). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c96d49c.40...@allums.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 20/09/10 13:11, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/19/2010 10:00 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 9/19/2010 8:41 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's
not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes
with Windows 7 doesn't work.
It doesn't work because it doesn't work.
Microsoft doesn't care if any OS besides a Microsoft-produced one works.
That's what Virtual PC is for, to run MS OSes.
I have tried it. It is unstable with the distributions of Linux I tried.
Debian 4,5, Ubuntu 5,6,8, Mandriva, SuSE. SuSE worked best. Virtual PC
2004 and 2007 worked better than Windows 7.
Good luck.
As I said - unless you can tell me WHY it doesn't work, it's not open
for discussion. The fact you tried it with one distro and don't like
Microsoft are NOT valid reasons.
A couple of points (please bear with me Jerry).
You don't tell us whether your CPU support hardware virtualization
(could be important)
You don't tell us anything about how you have Virtual PC configured for
Lenny
The suggestion that you try VirtualBox could be misinterpreted to mean:-
Microsoft sucks, which would be wrong. It's suggested because:-
A. it'll give another lot of data that may help resolve the problem with
Virtual PC
B. Some of us know that the Virtual PC that is bundled with Windows 7
has been optimised to run earlier versions of Windows ('cause we
searched the Microsoft Knowledge Base).
C. Not m/any(?) on this list have experience with Linux under Windows 7
Virtual PC *because it does not* natively support Linux
That said - earlier versions of Virtual PC have supported Linux - it is
possible that Windows 7 Virtual PC can be made to support Linux...
First I suggest you confirm that your CPU does support hardware
virtualization (not necessary to run Linux in a VM, maybe critical to
Virtual PC).
Let us know what configuration you are using in Virtual PC.
Cheers
PS. scroll down to the section labelled Supported Operating Systems
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/requirements.aspx
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Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically took the defaults, with a couple of changes to get it to install and get gnome's display correct. I still have several problems, which may be related. The easiest one to find is an Illegal Instruction when I run a simple ps command. This occurs whether I run as a user or root. I've done a lot of looking, but don't seem to find anything similar. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm still pretty much a noob on Linux, so please be gentle :) TIA. Jerry This thread describes getting Ubuntu running in Windows 7 Virtual PC, the information may be useful to you. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466888 Cheers -- *In case you never receive this mail, please notify me immediately* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c96ddb7.70...@gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes: And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. It's fairly difficult to answer such a guestion, especially without source code to Windows 7 :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/84sk15129p@sauna.l.org
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On 20/09/10 14:12, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes: And as to the suggestions from other users to try another VM - that's not open for discussion unless you can tell my why the one that comes with Windows 7 doesn't work. It's fairly difficult to answer such a guestion, especially without source code to Windows 7 :-) Timo, how big is your mail box? ;-p -- *In case you never receive this mail, please notify me immediately* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c96e133.7000...@gmail.com
