Re: KDM Sessions, was Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hi, > > maybe you are interested in my /etc/X11/Xsession I've already suggested to > the kdebase manteiner: > > On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: > etc, etc Thanks for your file. I'll try bit. Actually I tried Noah's file as well, but that didn't work for some reason with my machine. I have meanwhile soved my problem that way, that I have now got only kde and 'failsafe' as my kdm options. I then modified 'failsafe' that way that while starting it actually starts windowmaker and dfm (written by Achim Kaiser, I really like that, does anybody know, where to find this person?) as well. From windowmaker I can start fvwm etc... [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDM Sessions, was Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
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Hi,
maybe you are interested in my /etc/X11/Xsession I've already suggested to
the kdebase manteiner:
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP DECRYPTED MESSAGE-
> On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, virtanen wrote:
>
> > I've got KDE and it works well, but I wanted to run sometimes wmaker as
> > well, because of less memory used. I'm using kdm to start x and then it is
> > showing kde starting screen with options to start fvwm, wmaker etc
> > windowmanagers installed, but I cannot start but kde. Which are the
> > various conf files I had to change? (If I use switchdm and try to start
> > xdm, it doesn't work.)
>
> Modify /etc/X11/Xsession so that it can respond to different parameters.
> Basically, specifying the session in kdm is simply passing a parameter to
> the Xsession script. The parameter is whatever is showing the kdm combo
> box. So, if wmaker is one of the selections in the combo box, then have
> your Xsession script check for 'wmaker' in its parameter list, and if it
> finds it, run wmaker. I can email you my Xsession script if you need it.
>
> noah
#!/bin/sh
#
# /etc/X11/Xsession
#
# global Xsession file -- used by both xdm and xinit (startx)
# If /etc/environment is present, source it. It's useful to put default
# environment settings in this file, and then source it both here and in
# /etc/profile.
if [ -f /etc/environment ]; then
. /etc/environment
fi
optionfile=/etc/X11/Xsession.options
sysmodmap=/etc/X11/Xmodmap
usrmodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap
sysresources=/etc/X11/Xresources
usrresources=$HOME/.Xresources
startup=$HOME/.xsession
for errfile in \
"$HOME/.xsession-errors" "${TMPDIR:-/tmp}/xses-$USER" "/tmp/xses-$USER"
do
if ( cp /dev/null "$errfile" 2> /dev/null ); then
chmod 600 "$errfile"
exec > "$errfile" 2>&1
break
fi
done
case $# in
1)
case $1 in
failsafe)
if grep -q ^allow-failsafe $optionfile; then
if [ -x /usr/bin/X11/xterm ]; then
exec xterm -geometry 80x24+0+0
else
exit
fi
fi
;;
esac
;;
esac
if [ -d $sysresources ]; then
if [ "$(echo $sysresources/*)" != "$sysresources/*" ]; then
for resourcefile in $sysresources/*; do
xrdb -merge $resourcefile
done
fi
fi
if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then
xmodmap $sysmodmap
fi
if grep -q ^allow-user-resources $optionfile; then
if [ -f $usrresources ]; then
xrdb -merge $usrresources
fi
fi
if grep -q ^allow-user-modmap $optionfile; then
if [ -f $usrmodmap ]; then
xmodmap $usrmodmap
fi
fi
if [ -x $startup ] && grep -q ^allow-user-xsession $optionfile; then
exec $startup
else
if [ -x /usr/bin/X11/xterm ]; then
xterm -ls &
fi
# Ulisses
if grep -q ^start-kdm /etc/X11/config ;
then
# Exec the Window Manager passed as $1
case ${windowmgr} in
kde|kwm|kdestart)
WINDOWMANAGER=startkde
;;
*) WINDOWMANAGER=$1
esac
exec $WINDOWMANAGER
elif [ -e /etc/X11/window-managers ]; then
for i in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/X11/window-managers`; do
if [ -x $i ]; then
exec $i
fi
done
fi
if [ -x /usr/bin/X11/twm ]; then
exec twm
fi
fi
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Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:35:39 +1100 (EST), Jiri Baum wrote: >After all, Debian has a long list of bugs on its homepage, while MS has no >bugs at all. (What was that quote from Gates again? No essential bugs?) "That vulnerability is completely theoretical." -- Microsoft L0pht, Making the theoretical practical since 1992. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNqQtunpf7K2LbpnFEQJi8gCaAtpnTZjzivFd7TBtTyRMMBOzU6cAoMnG gQv2OpY9VgzKzq063QKXe3Q2 =kQbH -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
Hello, > There is the difficulty that Debian is an organization that is based on > volunteers, where RH is a registered company. So managements tend to see > RH as much more solid and stable organization then Debian. And that > imply, when extending this managements point of view, that RH products > are better then Debian. By the same reasoning, of course, MS products are better than RH. After all, Debian has a long list of bugs on its homepage, while MS has no bugs at all. (What was that quote from Gates again? No essential bugs?) Jiri
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
A registered company maintains legal liability. A profit making company also is insured, which makes it feasible to sue if they decide to break a contract, etc. Sean Henning Makholm wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes: > > > There is the difficulty that Debian is an organization that is based on > > volunteers, where RH is a registered company. So managements tend to > > see RH as much more solid and stable organization then Debian. > > No doubt you are true about that, but I've never completely understood > why managements think that way. > > A registered company can quit business, go broke, or simply decide to > skip the product. > > A volunteer effort of individuals spread out over the internet is > unstoppable as long as anyone, anywhere, thinks the product should > live on. > > -- > Henning Makholm > http://www.diku.dk/students/makholm > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) writes: > There is the difficulty that Debian is an organization that is based on > volunteers, where RH is a registered company. So managements tend to > see RH as much more solid and stable organization then Debian. No doubt you are true about that, but I've never completely understood why managements think that way. A registered company can quit business, go broke, or simply decide to skip the product. A volunteer effort of individuals spread out over the internet is unstoppable as long as anyone, anywhere, thinks the product should live on. -- Henning Makholm http://www.diku.dk/students/makholm
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
> I used RedHat through version 5.1 before switching to Debian. Here are a few > of the reason I stuck with Debian and continue to do so. > > - More packages distributed with the base system. > - I believe the dpkg package management is much better than RedHat > (especially for developing packages on a production system) > - Debian strictly adheres to a well defined set of rules for > filesystem layout in relation where packages keep configuration > files, libraries and executables... etc... > - Debian always seems to have less errata and corrections per > distribution, Redhat has gotten much better in this area > - I much prefer the Debian way of configuring packages usually at > package install time via the scripts built into the package. Debian > makes it easier for the seasoned Linux user to configure the system > using non-gui based methods, which is a plus for me as I manage some > systems remotely. Linux conf is supposed to handle this sort of > thing but I am not to pleased it. > > I have yet to figure out what Redhat offers me that Debian does not. > There is the difficulty that Debian is an organization that is based on volunteers, where RH is a registered company. So managements tend to see RH as much more solid and stable organization then Debian. And that imply, when extending this managements point of view, that RH products are better then Debian.
KDM Sessions, was Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, virtanen wrote: > I've got KDE and it works well, but I wanted to run sometimes wmaker as > well, because of less memory used. I'm using kdm to start x and then it is > showing kde starting screen with options to start fvwm, wmaker etc > windowmanagers installed, but I cannot start but kde. Which are the > various conf files I had to change? (If I use switchdm and try to start > xdm, it doesn't work.) Modify /etc/X11/Xsession so that it can respond to different parameters. Basically, specifying the session in kdm is simply passing a parameter to the Xsession script. The parameter is whatever is showing the kdm combo box. So, if wmaker is one of the selections in the combo box, then have your Xsession script check for 'wmaker' in its parameter list, and if it finds it, run wmaker. I can email you my Xsession script if you need it. noah PGP public key available at http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/n/nmeyerha/mail.html or by 'finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNpzLx4dCcpBjGWoFAQHJ7QP/Tl9RCGBm/t3/pfRsG/VQ+idlgnK1RPZu XnaSkXU7RQpSSkfO5aTtHkn43RsABx5VR3KM3akm0QUoFQz/WotANmdKENjzH4gD OogsOOx/o5hRt/EW6/52MweJDGG8tUcAblUIjErP706lkSb/hfCQ+vVDaikXOZ6r n52merDpA7M= =Zmze -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
I started linuxing with RH, went to SuSE and then to debian. RH was quite easy to install, SuSE had some difficulties. I changed to SuSE because of added demo versions of programs and more packages than in RH. In general I found SuSE having better quality than RH and 'yast' (yet another setup tool) is in my opinion a very nice way of administrating the system. Never had any problems with SuSE after installing, but I changed into debian because of nicer ideology behind the distribution and also wanted lib6. I'm now happy with debian. I see no reason to change back to RH or SuSE. Debian installation manual is maybe one thing we could try to develop together using this list? (SuSE manual is simply excellent.) Somehow I wanted a little better guided rules in which order to put up the system (especially x, printing system, network...) One problem, which I have now, is as follows: I've got KDE and it works well, but I wanted to run sometimes wmaker as well, because of less memory used. I'm using kdm to start x and then it is showing kde starting screen with options to start fvwm, wmaker etc windowmanagers installed, but I cannot start but kde. Which are the various conf files I had to change? (If I use switchdm and try to start xdm, it doesn't work.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Wayne Cuddy wrote: My .02 worth. There were a couple of times when I was in school that I needed a system up RIGHT NOW (after buying a new computer etc...). For this RedHat is hard to beat. However, the $50.00 hit for each upgrade is a drag. I recently gave Suse 5.3 a try. Not too impressive. The DOS style screens gave me the creeps. Slack 3.5 left me with the same feelings. If I want to see programs compile I will go to work. Once you get use to having some kind of package management system it is hard to go back. Now I am ready to give Deb a try. -Dan
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Wayne Cuddy wrote: > I used RedHat through version 5.1 before switching to Debian. Here are a few > of the reason I stuck with Debian and continue to do so. I'd like to add the GNU/Hurd project to the list of plusses. When I do hurd development, I still have to battl^H^H^H^H^Hwork with one packaging system, and I'd like to see RH plough resources into an OS that is far from being mainstream just yet. Matthew watch out, Hurd's about :) -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
I used RedHat through version 5.1 before switching to Debian. Here are a few of the reason I stuck with Debian and continue to do so. - More packages distributed with the base system. - I believe the dpkg package management is much better than RedHat (especially for developing packages on a production system) - Debian strictly adheres to a well defined set of rules for filesystem layout in relation where packages keep configuration files, libraries and executables... etc... - Debian always seems to have less errata and corrections per distribution, Redhat has gotten much better in this area - I much prefer the Debian way of configuring packages usually at package install time via the scripts built into the package. Debian makes it easier for the seasoned Linux user to configure the system using non-gui based methods, which is a plus for me as I manage some systems remotely. Linux conf is supposed to handle this sort of thing but I am not to pleased it. I have yet to figure out what Redhat offers me that Debian does not. My humble opinion:) On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, shaul wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:05:46 +0200 > From: shaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?) > Resent-Date: 13 Jan 1999 00:17:43 - > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; > > > > > i think the reason is the advertisement of redhat, i´ve never heard about > > debian until a fellow student points out (thanks rainer :-) that there > > other dists > > than redhat, suse or dld (german). - And i´m very satisfied with Debian (i´m > > a hobbyist ;-) > > > > What was the RH version that you used when you swap to Debian ? Can you > compare RH and Debian ? > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null >
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
> > i think the reason is the advertisement of redhat, i´ve never heard about > debian until a fellow student points out (thanks rainer :-) that there other > dists > than redhat, suse or dld (german). - And i´m very satisfied with Debian (i´m > a hobbyist ;-) > What was the RH version that you used when you swap to Debian ? Can you compare RH and Debian ?
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
Hi!
> On Sun, Jan 10, 1999 at 01:58:11AM +0200, shaul wrote:
> > > I have found that there is much more packages available for
> > > debian than there are for Red Hat
> >
> > Isn't it odd ? Given that there are much more RH users then Debian users
> > (3:1
> > ratio ?), how can it be ? Are there more programmers who use Debian then
> > those
> > who use RH ? Are all of this packages constantly maintained by both a
> > Debian
> > developer and an upstream one ?
> >
> Probably has something to do with the open development architecture of
> Debian. 100+
> debian developers outnumber the redhat 'core' developers.
i think the reason is the advertisement of redhat, i´ve never heard about
debian until a fellow student points out (thanks rainer :-) that there other
dists
than redhat, suse or dld (german). - And i´m very satisfied with Debian (i´m
a hobbyist ;-)
until next mail ;)
Peter
--
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: university of applied sciences krefeld (germany) :
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
> > Yep. But, IMHO, it has something to do with the feeling that if you > work for Debian, you're working for the community, including yourself. > If you work for Red Hat, you're giving money to someone who doesn't > care about YOU, only it's bank account. Actually, that's the feeling I > get. > > Christian Lavoie > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > One of the things that most impressed me about debian when I switched to it from Redhat was the speed and efficiency with which maintainers of packages responded to bug reports. Every time I had a reply by return which solved the difficulty. Full marks! Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.achc.demon.co.uk "The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on..." - Edward Fitzgerald (Rubaiat of Omar Khayyam)
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
> > > I have found that there is much more packages available for > > > debian than there are for Red Hat > > > > Isn't it odd ? Given that there are much more RH users then Debian users (3:1 > > ratio ?), how can it be ? Are there more programmers who use Debian then those > > who use RH ? Are all of this packages constantly maintained by both a Debian > > developer and an upstream one ? > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > > > Probably has something to do with the open development architecture of Debian. 100+ debian developers outnumber the redhat 'core' developers. Yep. But, IMHO, it has something to do with the feeling that if you work for Debian, you're working for the community, including yourself. If you work for Red Hat, you're giving money to someone who doesn't care about YOU, only it's bank account. Actually, that's the feeling I get. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
On Sun, Jan 10, 1999 at 01:58:11AM +0200, shaul wrote: > > I have found that there is much more packages available for > > debian than there are for Red Hat > > Isn't it odd ? Given that there are much more RH users then Debian users (3:1 > ratio ?), how can it be ? Are there more programmers who use Debian then > those > who use RH ? Are all of this packages constantly maintained by both a Debian > developer and an upstream one ? > > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > Probably has something to do with the open development architecture of Debian. 100+ debian developers outnumber the redhat 'core' developers. -- Stephen Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster - http://www.mschess.org
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
> I have found that there is much more packages available for > debian than there are for Red Hat Isn't it odd ? Given that there are much more RH users then Debian users (3:1 ratio ?), how can it be ? Are there more programmers who use Debian then those who use RH ? Are all of this packages constantly maintained by both a Debian developer and an upstream one ?
