(troll inside) le rpm au chapeau passe sous le giron de Big blue

[Bernard Schoenacker]

bonjour,

voici la nouvelle :

https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/hightech/0600050918920-ibm-rachete-red-hat-le-numero-un-de-l-open-source-pour-34-milliards-de-dollars-2217269.php

qui va manger son chapeau rouge ?

merci

slt
bernard

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 18:14, deloptes  wrote:

> Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
> > I am running stretch on an AMD FX8350 box which uses an Arctic Freezer 13
> > cooler.
>
> I'm just wondering if you used the correct switch for the cpu fan - what is
> your mother board?
>
> also from the gentoo link
>
> $ grep CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER /boot/config-4.12.10
> CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER=m
> grep CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP /boot/config-4.12.10
> CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP=m
>
> $ lsmod | grep temp
> k10temp16384  0
> $ lsmod | grep fam15
> fam15h_power   16384  0
>
> does this apply to your kernel?
>

​I am going to suggest to the asus support folks that I might have
misconnected the cpu fan up to the motherboard.

I already told them that I wasn't sure if I was using a 3 pin instead of a
4 pin lead which might be a limitation here.

The Windows software diagnostics might also give clues to an erroneous mobo
hook up here.

I need to use all the divining rods available on this.

Regards

MF







​


>
> regards
>
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 18:14, deloptes  wrote:

> Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
> > I am running stretch on an AMD FX8350 box which uses an Arctic Freezer 13
> > cooler.
>
> I'm just wondering if you used the correct switch for the cpu fan - what is
> your mother board?
>
> also from the gentoo link
>
> $ grep CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER /boot/config-4.12.10
> CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER=m
> grep CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP /boot/config-4.12.10
> CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP=m
>
> $ lsmod | grep temp
> k10temp16384  0
> $ lsmod | grep fam15
> fam15h_power   16384  0
>
> does this apply to your kernel?


​Here is the output from lsmod on this:​



> mikef@bong:~$ lsmod | grep fam15
> fam15h_power   16384  0
> mikef@bong:~$ lsmod | grep temp
> k10temp16384  0
> mikef@bong:~$
>
>
​Cheers

MF​



>
> regards
>
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 18:30, Michael Fothergill <
michael.fotherg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 28 December 2017 at 18:14, deloptes  wrote:
>
>> Michael Fothergill wrote:
>>
>> > I am running stretch on an AMD FX8350 box which uses an Arctic Freezer
>> 13
>> > cooler.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if you used the correct switch for the cpu fan - what
>> is
>> your mother board?
>>
>
> ​This is an interesting idea.  I built the PC myself.  Maybe I connected
> up the CPU fan lead incorrectly..
>

​Wait a minute here...

When I said I build the PC, what I mean is I screwed the motherboard into
the PC and then connected up the 3 case fans to it.

The CPU cooler and FAN were actually attached to the motherboard by the
company I bought the entire motherboard bundle from (ie I purchased the
board, 8GB RAM preinstalled plus the Arctic Freezer
cooler thermal pasted (and baisted - its Christmas remember!) the firm here
in the UK offering it as a job lot.

I can't quite remember if the cpu cooler lead was already attached to the
motherboard at that point - I might have done that bit myself (and maybe
bungled it - you could be on the money here).

So some thought and imagination could be required here.​

​MF​


> The motherboard is an ASUS FX 990 Sabertooth R2.0; the bios version is
> 2501.
>
> Here is some of the info sent to the ASUS support folks:
>
> [Product Information]
> Product Type : Motherboard
> Product Model : SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0
> Product S/N : EAM0BX019177
> Operation System / Firmware or BIOS version : Debian 9 (Linuc) OS/Bios
> that came with product
>
> [Graphics Card Vendor/model/Chipset/Driver]
> Nvidia engt 430 model
>
> [CPU vendor/processor number]
> AMD FX 8350
>
> [Memory vendor/model/specification]
> Memory Vengeance LP Upgrade: Corsair 8GB 1600Mhz Vengeance LP DDR3​
>
>
>>
>> also from the gentoo link
>>
>> $ grep CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER /boot/config-4.12.10
>> CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER=m
>> grep CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP /boot/config-4.12.10
>> CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP=m
>>
>> $ lsmod | grep temp
>> k10temp16384  0
>> $ lsmod | grep fam15
>> fam15h_power   16384  0
>>
>> does this apply to your kernel?
>>
>
> ​I will login to the machine, fire up debian and run
>
> lsmod | grep temp
>
> and
>
> lsmod | grep fam 15
>
> and get you the output.
>
> I think fam15 module is installed - check the lsmod output I already
> posted.
>
> Please let me know any other commands/diagnostics you want running here.
>
> Regards and thanks.
>
> Michael Fothergill
>
> ​
>
>
>
>
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 18:14, deloptes  wrote:

> Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
> > I am running stretch on an AMD FX8350 box which uses an Arctic Freezer 13
> > cooler.
>
> I'm just wondering if you used the correct switch for the cpu fan - what is
> your mother board?
>

​This is an interesting idea.  I built the PC myself.  Maybe I connected up
the CPU fan lead incorrectly..

The motherboard is an ASUS FX 990 Sabertooth R2.0; the bios version is 2501.

Here is some of the info sent to the ASUS support folks:

[Product Information]
Product Type : Motherboard
Product Model : SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0
Product S/N : EAM0BX019177
Operation System / Firmware or BIOS version : Debian 9 (Linuc) OS/Bios that
came with product

[Graphics Card Vendor/model/Chipset/Driver]
Nvidia engt 430 model

[CPU vendor/processor number]
AMD FX 8350

[Memory vendor/model/specification]
Memory Vengeance LP Upgrade: Corsair 8GB 1600Mhz Vengeance LP DDR3​


>
> also from the gentoo link
>
> $ grep CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER /boot/config-4.12.10
> CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER=m
> grep CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP /boot/config-4.12.10
> CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP=m
>
> $ lsmod | grep temp
> k10temp16384  0
> $ lsmod | grep fam15
> fam15h_power   16384  0
>
> does this apply to your kernel?
>

​I will login to the machine, fire up debian and run

lsmod | grep temp

and

lsmod | grep fam 15

and get you the output.

I think fam15 module is installed - check the lsmod output I already posted.

Please let me know any other commands/diagnostics you want running here.

Regards and thanks.

Michael Fothergill

​




>
> regards
>
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[deloptes]

Michael Fothergill wrote:

> I am running stretch on an AMD FX8350 box which uses an Arctic Freezer 13
> cooler.

I'm just wondering if you used the correct switch for the cpu fan - what is
your mother board?

also from the gentoo link

$ grep CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER /boot/config-4.12.10
CONFIG_SENSORS_FAM15H_POWER=m
grep CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP /boot/config-4.12.10
CONFIG_SENSORS_K10TEMP=m

$ lsmod | grep temp
k10temp16384  0
$ lsmod | grep fam15
fam15h_power   16384  0

does this apply to your kernel?

regards

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 13:55, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 01:11:56PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > root@bong:/boot#  sudo modprobe coretemp
> > modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'coretemp': No such device
> >
> >
> > This is odd because coretemp is set as a module option in the config
> file:
> >
> > CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP=m
> >
> > Comments appreciared
>
> Well, it *should* work with a standard Debian kernel and applicable
> hardware.
>

​Dear All,

It's sad but I think I need install Windows 10 on this machine to sort out
the fan control and cpu cooler problems.

This machine overheats when I run pov-ray benchmark on it and shuts down.

see here (first page only)

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1056576-start-0.html


Then I can install the ASUS Fan Xpert and ROG software etc on top of the FX
990 sabertooth motherboard I have...

I think I might need to change the thermal paste compound between the CPU
and Arctic Freezer 13 heatsink to cure the cooling problem.

I am going to use Artic MX-4 paste.

While Debian and Gentoo are OK to work with here, I cannot tolerate the
machine shutting down now and again due to overheating any longer.

I am corresponding with the ASUS technical folks at present.

I need the extra special bloodhound Passau Cathedral Organ factor here to
help check on the temps and the fan activity once I start doing
surgery on the cpu/fan-heatsink thermal interface...

CPUs cost money.

Thanks for the help to date.

Regards

MF



​


>
> wooledg:~$ /sbin/modinfo coretemp
> filename:   /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.
> ko
> license:GPL
> description:Intel Core temperature monitor
> author: Rudolf Marek 
> alias:  cpu:type:x86,venfam*mod*:feature:*01C0*
> depends:
> intree: Y
> vermagic:   4.9.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
> parm:   tjmax:TjMax value in degrees Celsius (int)
>
> Your "No such device" error sounds like it probed for hardware and didn't
> find any.  If the module itself were missing from the file system, then
> I would have expected "FATAL: Module coretemp not found in directory ...".
>
> It says "Intel" in the description.  Are you using an Intel CPU?
>
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 13:55, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 01:11:56PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > root@bong:/boot#  sudo modprobe coretemp
> > modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'coretemp': No such device
> >
> >
> > This is odd because coretemp is set as a module option in the config
> file:
> >
> > CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP=m
> >
> > Comments appreciared
>
> Well, it *should* work with a standard Debian kernel and applicable
> hardware.
>

​If you look here:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/748615/lm-sensors-not-returning-cpu-temp-it87

it says that You need to append acpi_enforce_resources=lax at the end of
> the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
>
​in /etc/default/grub to make e.g. the it87 module work for the FX8350 chip
AFAICT

BUT

If you look at my /etc/default/grub:

root@bong:/etc/default# more grub
# If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
# /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
# For full documentation of the options in this file, see:
#   info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'

GRUB_DEFAULT=0
GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="initrd=/install/initrd.gz"

# Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs
# This works with Linux (no patch required) and with any kernel that obtains
# the memory map information from GRUB (GNU Mach, kernel of FreeBSD ...)
#GRUB_BADRAM="0x01234567,0xfefefefe,0x89abcdef,0xefefefef"

# Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
#GRUB_TERMINAL=console

# The resolution used on graphical terminal
# note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE
# you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'
#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480

# Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to
Linux
#GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true


# Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu
entries
#GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"



# Uncomment to get a beep at grub
start
#GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440
1"
root@bong:/etc/default#


​I don't have any acpi command in there but lsmod does list it87 as a
module for my install:

​root@bong:/etc/default# lsmod | grep it87
it87   57344
0
hwmon_vid  16384  1 it87


Does it need to have a 1 not a zero in there for the it87 to actually be
working even if it is installed?

Cheers

MF









>
> wooledg:~$ /sbin/modinfo coretemp
> filename:   /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.
> ko
> license:GPL
> description:Intel Core temperature monitor
> author: Rudolf Marek 
> alias:  cpu:type:x86,venfam*mod*:feature:*01C0*
> depends:
> intree: Y
> vermagic:   4.9.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
> parm:   tjmax:TjMax value in degrees Celsius (int)
>
> Your "No such device" error sounds like it probed for hardware and didn't
> find any.  If the module itself were missing from the file system, then
> I would have expected "FATAL: Module coretemp not found in directory ...".
>
> It says "Intel" in the description.  Are you using an Intel CPU?
>
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 13:55, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 01:11:56PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > root@bong:/boot#  sudo modprobe coretemp
> > modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'coretemp': No such device
> >
> >
> > This is odd because coretemp is set as a module option in the config
> file:
> >
> > CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP=m
> >
> > Comments appreciared
>
> Well, it *should* work with a standard Debian kernel and applicable
> hardware.
>
> wooledg:~$ /sbin/modinfo coretemp
> filename:   /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.
> ko
> license:GPL
> description:Intel Core temperature monitor
> author: Rudolf Marek 
> alias:  cpu:type:x86,venfam*mod*:feature:*01C0*
> depends:
> intree: Y
> vermagic:   4.9.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
> parm:   tjmax:TjMax value in degrees Celsius (int)
>
> Your "No such device" error sounds like it probed for hardware and didn't
> find any.  If the module itself were missing from the file system, then
> I would have expected "FATAL: Module coretemp not found in directory ...".
>
> It says "Intel" in the description.  Are you using an Intel CPU?
>

​I now realise that coretemp only works with Intel chips not AMD ones

Ooops!

I will look up module names that work for the FX 8350 and see of I can find
any that are not listed in lsmod and try installing them
with modprobe.

Cheers

MF​

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 13:55, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 01:11:56PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > root@bong:/boot#  sudo modprobe coretemp
> > modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'coretemp': No such device
> >
> >
> > This is odd because coretemp is set as a module option in the config
> file:
> >
> > CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP=m
> >
> > Comments appreciared
>
> Well, it *should* work with a standard Debian kernel and applicable
> hardware.
>

​The output of lspci is here:
https://pastebin.com/AAXTq8Uh
​


>
> wooledg:~$ /sbin/modinfo coretemp
> filename:   /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.
> ko
> license:GPL
> description:Intel Core temperature monitor
> author: Rudolf Marek 
> alias:  cpu:type:x86,venfam*mod*:feature:*01C0*
> depends:
> intree: Y
> vermagic:   4.9.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
> parm:   tjmax:TjMax value in degrees Celsius (int)
>
> Your "No such device" error sounds like it probed for hardware and didn't
> find any.  If the module itself were missing from the file system, then
> I would have expected "FATAL: Module coretemp not found in directory ...".
>
> It says "Intel" in the description.  Are you using an Intel CPU?
>
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 13:55, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 01:11:56PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > root@bong:/boot#  sudo modprobe coretemp
> > modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'coretemp': No such device
> >
> >
> > This is odd because coretemp is set as a module option in the config
> file:
> >
> > CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP=m
> >
> > Comments appreciared
>
> Well, it *should* work with a standard Debian kernel and applicable
> hardware.
>

​Perhaps you could suggest some other module names I could try to turn on
using
the modprobe command that I do not have turned on at present based on the
lsmod output.

​Maybe one or to might work.

Cheers

MF



>
> wooledg:~$ /sbin/modinfo coretemp
> filename:   /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.
> ko
> license:GPL
> description:Intel Core temperature monitor
> author: Rudolf Marek 
> alias:  cpu:type:x86,venfam*mod*:feature:*01C0*
> depends:
> intree: Y
> vermagic:   4.9.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
> parm:   tjmax:TjMax value in degrees Celsius (int)
>
> Your "No such device" error sounds like it probed for hardware and didn't
> find any.  If the module itself were missing from the file system, then
> I would have expected "FATAL: Module coretemp not found in directory ...".
>
> It says "Intel" in the description.  Are you using an Intel CPU?
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

On 28 December 2017 at 13:55, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 01:11:56PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > root@bong:/boot#  sudo modprobe coretemp
> > modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'coretemp': No such device
> >
> >
> > This is odd because coretemp is set as a module option in the config
> file:
> >
> > CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP=m
> >
> > Comments appreciared
>
> Well, it *should* work with a standard Debian kernel and applicable
> hardware.
>
> wooledg:~$ /sbin/modinfo coretemp
> filename:   /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.
> ko
> license:GPL
> description:Intel Core temperature monitor
> author: Rudolf Marek 
> alias:  cpu:type:x86,venfam*mod*:feature:*01C0*
> depends:
> intree: Y
> vermagic:   4.9.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions
> parm:   tjmax:TjMax value in degrees Celsius (int)
>
> Your "No such device" error sounds like it probed for hardware and didn't
> find any.  If the module itself were missing from the file system, then
> I would have expected "FATAL: Module coretemp not found in directory ...".
>


> It says "Intel" in the description.  Are you using an Intel CPU?
>

​Here is the output of lscpu:​


​root@bong:/home/mikef# lscpu
Architecture:  x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:Little Endian
CPU(s):8
On-line CPU(s) list:   0-7
Thread(s) per core:2
Core(s) per socket:4
Socket(s): 1
NUMA node(s):  1
Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD
CPU family:21
Model: 2
Model name:AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
Stepping:  0
CPU MHz:   4334.834
BogoMIPS:  8669.66
Virtualization:AMD-V
L1d cache: 16K
L1i cache: 64K
L2 cache:  2048K
L3 cache:  8192K
NUMA node0 CPU(s): 0-7
Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt
pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid
aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2
popcnt aes xsave avx f16c lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm
sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs xop skinit wdt lwp fma4 tce
nodeid_msr tbm topoext perfctr_core perfctr_nb cpb hw_pstate vmmcall bmi1
arat npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save tsc_scale vmcb_clean flushbyasid
decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold
root@bong:/home/mikef#
​

​It looks like an FX8350 chip to me.

Comments appreciated

Regards

MF​
​

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 01:11:56PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> root@bong:/boot#  sudo modprobe coretemp
> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'coretemp': No such device
> 
> 
> This is odd because coretemp is set as a module option in the config file:
> 
> CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP=m
> 
> Comments appreciared

Well, it *should* work with a standard Debian kernel and applicable
hardware.

wooledg:~$ /sbin/modinfo coretemp
filename:   /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko
license:GPL
description:Intel Core temperature monitor
author: Rudolf Marek 
alias:  cpu:type:x86,venfam*mod*:feature:*01C0*
depends:
intree: Y
vermagic:   4.9.0-4-amd64 SMP mod_unload modversions 
parm:   tjmax:TjMax value in degrees Celsius (int)

Your "No such device" error sounds like it probed for hardware and didn't
find any.  If the module itself were missing from the file system, then
I would have expected "FATAL: Module coretemp not found in directory ...".

It says "Intel" in the description.  Are you using an Intel CPU?

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

G_SENSORS_ATXP1=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_DS620=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_DS1621=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_DELL_SMM=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_I5K_AMB=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_F71805F=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_F71882FG=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_F75375S=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_FSCHMD=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_FTSTEUTATES=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_GL518SM=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_GL520SM=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_G760A=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_G762 is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_GPIO_FAN is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_HIH6130 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_IBMAEM=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_IBMPEX=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_IIO_HWMON is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_I5500=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_IT87=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_JC42=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_POWR1220 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LINEAGE=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_LTC2945 is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_LTC2990 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LTC4151=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LTC4215=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_LTC4222 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LTC4245=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_LTC4260 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LTC4261=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX16065=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX1619=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX1668=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX197 is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX31722 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX6639=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX6642=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX6650=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX6697 is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_MAX31790 is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_MCP3021 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_MENF21BMC_HWMON=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_ADCXX=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM63=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM70=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM73=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM75=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM77=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM78=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM80=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM83=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM85=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM87=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM90=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM92=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM93=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_LM95234 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM95241=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_LM95245=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_PC87360=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_PC87427=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_NTC_THERMISTOR=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_NCT6683=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_NCT6775=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_NCT7802 is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_NCT7904 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_PCF8591=m
> # CONFIG_PMBUS is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_SHT15 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SHT21=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_SHT3x is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_SHTC1 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SIS5595=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_DME1737=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_EMC1403=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_EMC2103=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_EMC6W201=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SMSC47M1=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SMSC47M192=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SMSC47B397=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SCH56XX_COMMON=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SCH5627=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SCH5636=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_SMM665=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_ADC128D818 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_ADS1015=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_ADS7828=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_ADS7871=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_AMC6821=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_INA209 is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_INA2XX is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_INA3221 is not set
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_TC74 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_THMC50=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_TMP102=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_TMP103 is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_TMP401=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_TMP421=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_VIA_CPUTEMP=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_VIA686A=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_VT1211=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_VT8231=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83781D=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83791D=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83792D=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83793=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83795=m
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_W83795_FANCTRL is not set
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83L785TS=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83L786NG=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83627HF=m
> CONFIG_SENSORS_W83627EHF=m
>
> It seems that the kernel is configured with the module m setting
> consistently not the internal y setting so debian does not use the built in
> option by default here it would seem
>
> - see discussion here
>
> https://www.linux.com/learn/intro-to-linux/2017/9/
> advanced-lm-sensors-tips-and-tricks-linux-0
>
> so modifying the /etc/modules file works here.
>
> I notice that
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_W83795_FANCTRL is not set
> has been commented out
>
> and
>
> # CONFIG_SENSORS_GPIO_FAN is not set
>
> is in a similar state
>
> I will continue looking at this in more detail.
>
> Regards
>
> MF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 28 December 2017 at 12:14, Michael Fothergill <
> michael.fotherg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have 3 case fans in the box here but lm-sensors only sees two of them
>> apparently as well as not seeing the cpu fan.
>>
>> Funny stuff.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> MF
>>
>> On 28 December 2017 at 11:50, Michael Fothergill <
>> michael.fotherg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Folks,
>>>
>>> I am runn

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

alled lm-sensors and ran the /etc module update command.
>>
>> The output looks like this:
>>
>> root@bong:/home/mikef# sensors
>> asus-isa-
>> Adapter: ISA adapter
>> cpu_fan:0 RPM
>>
>> k10temp-pci-00c3
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> temp1:+21.9°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>>(crit = +90.0°C, hyst = +87.0°C)
>>
>> nouveau-pci-0700
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> GPU core: +0.90 V  (min =  +0.88 V, max =  +1.08 V)
>> temp1:+35.0°C  (high = +95.0°C, hyst =  +3.0°C)
>>(crit = +105.0°C, hyst =  +5.0°C)
>>(emerg = +135.0°C, hyst =  +5.0°C)
>>
>> fam15h_power-pci-00c4
>> Adapter: PCI adapter
>> power1:6.75 W  (crit = 125.19 W)
>>
>>
>> it8721-isa-0290
>>
>> Adapter: ISA adapter
>>
>> in0:  +2.83 V  (min =  +2.02 V, max =  +2.95
>> V)
>> in1:  +2.83 V  (min =  +1.68 V, max =  +1.73 V)
>> ALARM
>> in2:  +0.98 V  (min =  +2.40 V, max =  +1.08 V)
>> ALARM
>> +3.3V:+3.31 V  (min =  +0.38 V, max =  +0.96 V)
>> ALARM
>> in4:  +0.25 V  (min =  +0.41 V, max =  +0.20 V)  ALARM
>> in5:  +2.51 V  (min =  +0.12 V, max =  +0.00 V)  ALARM
>> in6:  +1.98 V  (min =  +1.54 V, max =  +0.59 V)  ALARM
>> 3VSB: +3.94 V  (min =  +3.31 V, max =  +0.89 V)  ALARM
>> Vbat: +3.29 V
>> fan1:1814 RPM  (min =   87 RPM)
>> fan2:   0 RPM  (min =   46 RPM)  ALARM
>> fan3:1125 RPM  (min =   29 RPM)
>> temp1:+37.0°C  (low  = +34.0°C, high = +91.0°C)  sensor =
>> thermistor
>> temp2:+30.0°C  (low  = +45.0°C, high =  +9.0°C)  ALARM  sensor =
>> thermistor
>> temp3:   -128.0°C  (low  = -60.0°C, high =  +4.0°C)  sensor = disabled
>> intrusion0:  OK
>>
>> root@bong:/home/mikef#
>>
>> The cpu fan is running at around 2500 rpm.
>>
>> If the connector were 3 pin rather than 4 pin could that explain the zero
>> here?
>>
>> Suggestions on a tweak that could awaken the sensor or stimulate
>> lm-sensors truffle hound hunting skills here would be appreciated.
>>
>> Googling around gives quite complex suggestions.
>>
>> Is there something simple I could try here?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Michael Fothergill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

I have 3 case fans in the box here but lm-sensors only sees two of them
apparently as well as not seeing the cpu fan.

Funny stuff.

Regards

MF

On 28 December 2017 at 11:50, Michael Fothergill <
michael.fotherg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Folks,
>
> I am running stretch on an AMD FX8350 box which uses an Arctic Freezer 13
> cooler.
>
> I installed lm-sensors and ran the /etc module update command.
>
> The output looks like this:
>
> root@bong:/home/mikef# sensors
> asus-isa-
> Adapter: ISA adapter
> cpu_fan:0 RPM
>
> k10temp-pci-00c3
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> temp1:+21.9°C  (high = +70.0°C)
>(crit = +90.0°C, hyst = +87.0°C)
>
> nouveau-pci-0700
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> GPU core: +0.90 V  (min =  +0.88 V, max =  +1.08 V)
> temp1:+35.0°C  (high = +95.0°C, hyst =  +3.0°C)
>(crit = +105.0°C, hyst =  +5.0°C)
>(emerg = +135.0°C, hyst =  +5.0°C)
>
> fam15h_power-pci-00c4
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> power1:6.75 W  (crit = 125.19 W)
>
>
> it8721-isa-0290
>
> Adapter: ISA adapter
>
> in0:  +2.83 V  (min =  +2.02 V, max =  +2.95
> V)
> in1:  +2.83 V  (min =  +1.68 V, max =  +1.73 V)
> ALARM
> in2:  +0.98 V  (min =  +2.40 V, max =  +1.08 V)
> ALARM
> +3.3V:+3.31 V  (min =  +0.38 V, max =  +0.96 V)
> ALARM
> in4:  +0.25 V  (min =  +0.41 V, max =  +0.20 V)  ALARM
> in5:  +2.51 V  (min =  +0.12 V, max =  +0.00 V)  ALARM
> in6:  +1.98 V  (min =  +1.54 V, max =  +0.59 V)  ALARM
> 3VSB: +3.94 V  (min =  +3.31 V, max =  +0.89 V)  ALARM
> Vbat: +3.29 V
> fan1:1814 RPM  (min =   87 RPM)
> fan2:   0 RPM  (min =   46 RPM)  ALARM
> fan3:1125 RPM  (min =   29 RPM)
> temp1:+37.0°C  (low  = +34.0°C, high = +91.0°C)  sensor =
> thermistor
> temp2:+30.0°C  (low  = +45.0°C, high =  +9.0°C)  ALARM  sensor =
> thermistor
> temp3:   -128.0°C  (low  = -60.0°C, high =  +4.0°C)  sensor = disabled
> intrusion0:  OK
>
> root@bong:/home/mikef#
>
> The cpu fan is running at around 2500 rpm.
>
> If the connector were 3 pin rather than 4 pin could that explain the zero
> here?
>
> Suggestions on a tweak that could awaken the sensor or stimulate
> lm-sensors truffle hound hunting skills here would be appreciated.
>
> Googling around gives quite complex suggestions.
>
> Is there something simple I could try here?
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Fothergill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

lm-sensors doesn't see the cpu rpm.....

[Michael Fothergill]

Dear Folks,

I am running stretch on an AMD FX8350 box which uses an Arctic Freezer 13
cooler.

I installed lm-sensors and ran the /etc module update command.

The output looks like this:

root@bong:/home/mikef# sensors
asus-isa-
Adapter: ISA adapter
cpu_fan:0 RPM

k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
temp1:+21.9°C  (high = +70.0°C)
   (crit = +90.0°C, hyst = +87.0°C)

nouveau-pci-0700
Adapter: PCI adapter
GPU core: +0.90 V  (min =  +0.88 V, max =  +1.08 V)
temp1:+35.0°C  (high = +95.0°C, hyst =  +3.0°C)
   (crit = +105.0°C, hyst =  +5.0°C)
   (emerg = +135.0°C, hyst =  +5.0°C)

fam15h_power-pci-00c4
Adapter: PCI adapter
power1:6.75 W  (crit = 125.19 W)


it8721-isa-0290

Adapter: ISA
adapter

in0:  +2.83 V  (min =  +2.02 V, max =  +2.95
V)
in1:  +2.83 V  (min =  +1.68 V, max =  +1.73 V)
ALARM
in2:  +0.98 V  (min =  +2.40 V, max =  +1.08 V)
ALARM
+3.3V:+3.31 V  (min =  +0.38 V, max =  +0.96 V)
ALARM
in4:  +0.25 V  (min =  +0.41 V, max =  +0.20 V)  ALARM
in5:  +2.51 V  (min =  +0.12 V, max =  +0.00 V)  ALARM
in6:  +1.98 V  (min =  +1.54 V, max =  +0.59 V)  ALARM
3VSB: +3.94 V  (min =  +3.31 V, max =  +0.89 V)  ALARM
Vbat: +3.29 V
fan1:1814 RPM  (min =   87 RPM)
fan2:   0 RPM  (min =   46 RPM)  ALARM
fan3:1125 RPM  (min =   29 RPM)
temp1:+37.0°C  (low  = +34.0°C, high = +91.0°C)  sensor = thermistor
temp2:+30.0°C  (low  = +45.0°C, high =  +9.0°C)  ALARM  sensor =
thermistor
temp3:   -128.0°C  (low  = -60.0°C, high =  +4.0°C)  sensor = disabled
intrusion0:  OK

root@bong:/home/mikef#

The cpu fan is running at around 2500 rpm.

If the connector were 3 pin rather than 4 pin could that explain the zero
here?

Suggestions on a tweak that could awaken the sensor or stimulate lm-sensors
truffle hound hunting skills here would be appreciated.

Googling around gives quite complex suggestions.

Is there something simple I could try here?

Regards

Michael Fothergill

extracted-rpm bin files and gcc executables on GNUroot debian on Android phone/device

[Rupinder Singh]

Hi,
I'm using GNUroot Debian bash on my Anroid phone. While I have been to
install many packages like java, python, ruby, node.js, scala, groovy via
apt-get install  and use them to write and run programs, I'm finding
difficulty with extracted rpm files and gcc executables. That is, they come
with execute permission denied. Trying to change their permissions chmod
simply doesn't change their permissions.

Could somebody help?

Rupinder

Re: deb rpm?

[Tobias Sette]

Eu quem escreveu isso na outra thread. O mais correto seria dizer apt  yum.

Na minha experiencia com Centos já ocorreu até do sistema ficar sem um
pacote de modulos, acho que eu estava trocando o kernel padrão pelo do
openvz e vice e versa, e nem foi uma merda excepcional; com apt ele veria
que o pacote é necessário e o selecionaria automaticamente. Também já tive
problemas com as poucas opções do yum em relação ao apt.

Também ha o fato das opções de pacotes da maior parte das distros com rpm
serem muito limitadas, já nao é um problema explicito do formato de pacote,
mas influencia bastante no uso. No Centos, por exemplo, não havia sequer o
htop nos repositorios oficiais (!), os outros repositorios que se tem que
adicionar para ter uma quantidade boa de software tem vários pacotes que
tambem existem em outros repositorios, por padrão, é uma bagunça. Um
servidor com debian pode viver mais facilmente apenas com os repositórios
padrões.

Att,

Tobias
http://gnu.eti.br

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Em 14 de janeiro de 2014 06:24, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.brescreveu:

 Quando comecei a usar Debian, no século passado (nem parece tanto tempo
 assim), a instalação do Debian levava um dia inteiro.  Debian compilava
 todo o LaTeX, depois os módulos do emacs, e assim por diante.

 RedHat ficava pronto em pouco mais de 1 hora.

 Então existiam prós e contras.  Mas hoje em dia, acho que o conjunto da
 obra deixa todos muito parecidos.  Vai mais de gosto por comunidade mesmo.
 De pacote e desenvolvedor, cada um tem alguém que invariavelmente faz
 merda, então não é lá muito parâmetro.  Antigamente exigia um polimento
 maior pra ter tudo redondo, mas hoje já sai tudo pronto na origem.  Só ver
 como está KDE e Gnome.


 Abs,
 Helio Loureiro
 http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
 http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
 http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
 http://gplus.to/helioloureiro


 Em 14 de janeiro de 2014 04:04, Fabricio Cannini fcann...@gmail.comescreveu:


 Em 13/01/2014 18:47, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.br escreveu:

 
  Pacotes deb e rpm são uma coisa, apt é outra.
 
  Os pacotes deb são infinitamente mais difíceis de serem criados.  Mas o
 sistema de geração os deixa muito mais consistentes, a ponto de funcionar
 bem sem o apt.  É possível instalar um pacote e suas dependências apenas
 com dpkg.
 
  rpm é mais simples de se criar, com os SPECs, mas precisa que sua
 consistência seja mantida pelo empacotador.
 
  Pra compensar as deficiências do rpm, foram adicionados gerenciadores
 de repositório, que são o yum, zypper e até mesmo o apt-rpm.
 
  No Debian o apt-get veio pra ajudar com os pacotes de forma mais
 automatizada, pois antes se usava o deselect, que era quase escrever de
 trás pra frente em klingon um ave-maria em romeno pra conseguir instalar os
 pacotes necessários.
 
  No estágio que estão ambos atualmente, são todos muito robustos.  Pra
 upgrades maiores, pra mudança grande de versão, IMHO, deb ainda vai
 melhor.  Mas é mais uma questão de gosto que técnica.

 Isso também tem a ver com a cultura da distro, Hélio. O Debian sempre
 teve muito forte a coisa do não reinstalar, coisa que eu não vejo no
 centos, ou ubuntu, ou fedora, por exemplo ( me corrijam se eu estiver
 errado ).

 Os meus poréns com centos/fedora/ubuntu sobre empacotamento é que essas
 distros preferem pacotes minimalistas, com o mínimo necessário para ser
 útil, enquanto que o Debian prefere que o pacote seja o mais completo
 possível.
 ( Ou os mantenedores dos pacotes que eu uso bastante, mas é tão comum que
 eu acredito que seja uma política dessas distros. Olhem por exemplo o hdf5
 no packages.debian.org e no rpmfind.net . )
 Sim, isso implica em uma complexidade maior na criação, mas é uma mão na
 roda pro usuário.

Re: deb rpm?

[Helio Loureiro]

Quando comecei a usar Debian, no século passado (nem parece tanto tempo
assim), a instalação do Debian levava um dia inteiro.  Debian compilava
todo o LaTeX, depois os módulos do emacs, e assim por diante.

RedHat ficava pronto em pouco mais de 1 hora.

Então existiam prós e contras.  Mas hoje em dia, acho que o conjunto da
obra deixa todos muito parecidos.  Vai mais de gosto por comunidade mesmo.
De pacote e desenvolvedor, cada um tem alguém que invariavelmente faz
merda, então não é lá muito parâmetro.  Antigamente exigia um polimento
maior pra ter tudo redondo, mas hoje já sai tudo pronto na origem.  Só ver
como está KDE e Gnome.


Abs,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
http://br.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro
http://gplus.to/helioloureiro


Em 14 de janeiro de 2014 04:04, Fabricio Cannini fcann...@gmail.comescreveu:


 Em 13/01/2014 18:47, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.br escreveu:

 
  Pacotes deb e rpm são uma coisa, apt é outra.
 
  Os pacotes deb são infinitamente mais difíceis de serem criados.  Mas o
 sistema de geração os deixa muito mais consistentes, a ponto de funcionar
 bem sem o apt.  É possível instalar um pacote e suas dependências apenas
 com dpkg.
 
  rpm é mais simples de se criar, com os SPECs, mas precisa que sua
 consistência seja mantida pelo empacotador.
 
  Pra compensar as deficiências do rpm, foram adicionados gerenciadores de
 repositório, que são o yum, zypper e até mesmo o apt-rpm.
 
  No Debian o apt-get veio pra ajudar com os pacotes de forma mais
 automatizada, pois antes se usava o deselect, que era quase escrever de
 trás pra frente em klingon um ave-maria em romeno pra conseguir instalar os
 pacotes necessários.
 
  No estágio que estão ambos atualmente, são todos muito robustos.  Pra
 upgrades maiores, pra mudança grande de versão, IMHO, deb ainda vai
 melhor.  Mas é mais uma questão de gosto que técnica.

 Isso também tem a ver com a cultura da distro, Hélio. O Debian sempre teve
 muito forte a coisa do não reinstalar, coisa que eu não vejo no centos,
 ou ubuntu, ou fedora, por exemplo ( me corrijam se eu estiver errado ).

 Os meus poréns com centos/fedora/ubuntu sobre empacotamento é que essas
 distros preferem pacotes minimalistas, com o mínimo necessário para ser
 útil, enquanto que o Debian prefere que o pacote seja o mais completo
 possível.
 ( Ou os mantenedores dos pacotes que eu uso bastante, mas é tão comum que
 eu acredito que seja uma política dessas distros. Olhem por exemplo o hdf5
 no packages.debian.org e no rpmfind.net . )
 Sim, isso implica em uma complexidade maior na criação, mas é uma mão na
 roda pro usuário.

deb rpm?

[Deckardbot]

Olá,

Isto não é um flamewar!
Após uma dúvida sobre o porque utilizar Debian um colega citou essa
comparação:
apt  rpm

Como eu conheço pouco do sistema rpm (yum) pesquisei sobre as diferenças
com o
dpkg (apt), da mesma forma pesquisei a diferença entre pacotes deb e rpm.
Porem, não consegui identificar vantagens tecnicas sobre um ou outro.
Gostaria de saber a opnião de vocês, porque 'deb  rpm'?

Att.

-- 
Rick aka Deckard

Re: deb rpm?

[thiago.zoroastro]

Será que existem grandes diferenças mesmo? Se uma pessoa começar pelo Fedora, é capaz de conhecer aquilo de forma tão semelhante em dificuldade quanto no Debian. Já utilizei Fedora e não senti muitas diferenças.
 

De: deckard...@gmail.comEnviada: Segunda-feira, 13 de Janeiro de 2014 11:39Para: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.orgAssunto: deb  rpm?
Olá,Isto não é um flamewar!Após uma dúvida sobre o porque utilizar Debian um colega citou essa comparação:apt  rpmComo eu conheço pouco do sistema rpm (yum) pesquisei sobre as diferenças com o  dpkg (apt), da mesma forma pesquisei a diferença entre pacotes deb e rpm.Porem, não consegui identificar vantagens tecnicas sobre um ou outro.Gostaria de saber a opnião de vocês, porque 'deb  rpm'? Att.







-- 
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Re: deb rpm?

[Fabricio Cannini]

Em 13-01-2014 11:39, Deckardbot escreveu:

Olá,

Isto não é um flamewar!
Após uma dúvida sobre o porque utilizar Debian um colega citou essa
comparação:
apt  rpm

Como eu conheço pouco do sistema rpm (yum) pesquisei sobre as diferenças
com o
dpkg (apt), da mesma forma pesquisei a diferença entre pacotes deb e rpm.
Porem, não consegui identificar vantagens tecnicas sobre um ou outro.
Gostaria de saber a opnião de vocês, porque 'deb  rpm'?


IMHO, em termos de formato o apt tem uma grande vantagem, que é resolver 
dependências de instalação pelo nome de pacote, ao invés de usar o nome 
da( s ) biblioteca( s ) / tabela de símbolos como o rpm usa.


Ex:
Esses três pacotes tem o mesmo nome, mas qual que me atende ? 1, 2, 
todos, nenhum ?


http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/dag/redhat/el5/x86_64/netcdf-3.6.2-1.el5.rf.x86_64.html

http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/epel/5/x86_64/netcdf-3.6.3-1.el5.x86_64.html

http://pkgs.repoforge.org/netcdf/netcdf-3.6.3-1.el5.rf.x86_64.rpm



O que é diferente do .deb :

C : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdfc7
C++ : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdfc++4
Fortran : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdff5




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Re: deb rpm?

[Deckardbot]

Boa Fabricio!

Esse tipo de comparação nos auxilia na hora de selecionar as ferramentas.

Estou pesquisando como fazer downgrade de pacotes com o yum/apt a fim de
saber
qual é mais prático e eficiente. Outras dúvidas que tenho são em relação
aos
pacotes deb e rpm...

Att.


Em 13 de janeiro de 2014 13:19, Fabricio Cannini fcann...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Em 13-01-2014 11:39, Deckardbot escreveu:

  Olá,

 Isto não é um flamewar!
 Após uma dúvida sobre o porque utilizar Debian um colega citou essa
 comparação:
 apt  rpm

 Como eu conheço pouco do sistema rpm (yum) pesquisei sobre as diferenças
 com o
 dpkg (apt), da mesma forma pesquisei a diferença entre pacotes deb e rpm.
 Porem, não consegui identificar vantagens tecnicas sobre um ou outro.
 Gostaria de saber a opnião de vocês, porque 'deb  rpm'?


 IMHO, em termos de formato o apt tem uma grande vantagem, que é resolver
 dependências de instalação pelo nome de pacote, ao invés de usar o nome da(
 s ) biblioteca( s ) / tabela de símbolos como o rpm usa.

 Ex:
 Esses três pacotes tem o mesmo nome, mas qual que me atende ? 1, 2, todos,
 nenhum ?

 http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/dag/redhat/el5/x86_64/netcdf-
 3.6.2-1.el5.rf.x86_64.html

 http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/epel/5/x86_64/netcdf-3.6.3-1.el5.x86_64.html

 http://pkgs.repoforge.org/netcdf/netcdf-3.6.3-1.el5.rf.x86_64.rpm



 O que é diferente do .deb :

 C : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdfc7
 C++ : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdfc++4
 Fortran : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdff5




 Espero que ajude.


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Re: deb rpm?

[Helio Loureiro]

Pacotes deb e rpm são uma coisa, apt é outra.

Os pacotes deb são infinitamente mais difíceis de serem criados.  Mas o
sistema de geração os deixa muito mais consistentes, a ponto de funcionar
bem sem o apt.  É possível instalar um pacote e suas dependências apenas
com dpkg.

rpm é mais simples de se criar, com os SPECs, mas precisa que sua
consistência seja mantida pelo empacotador.

Pra compensar as deficiências do rpm, foram adicionados gerenciadores de
repositório, que são o yum, zypper e até mesmo o apt-rpm.

No Debian o apt-get veio pra ajudar com os pacotes de forma mais
automatizada, pois antes se usava o deselect, que era quase escrever de
trás pra frente em klingon um ave-maria em romeno pra conseguir instalar os
pacotes necessários.

No estágio que estão ambos atualmente, são todos muito robustos.  Pra
upgrades maiores, pra mudança grande de versão, IMHO, deb ainda vai
melhor.  Mas é mais uma questão de gosto que técnica.

Abs,
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Em 13 de janeiro de 2014 16:55, Deckardbot deckard...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Boa Fabricio!

 Esse tipo de comparação nos auxilia na hora de selecionar as ferramentas.

 Estou pesquisando como fazer downgrade de pacotes com o yum/apt a fim de
 saber
 qual é mais prático e eficiente. Outras dúvidas que tenho são em relação
 aos
 pacotes deb e rpm...

 Att.


 Em 13 de janeiro de 2014 13:19, Fabricio Cannini fcann...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Em 13-01-2014 11:39, Deckardbot escreveu:

  Olá,

 Isto não é um flamewar!
 Após uma dúvida sobre o porque utilizar Debian um colega citou essa
 comparação:
 apt  rpm

 Como eu conheço pouco do sistema rpm (yum) pesquisei sobre as diferenças
 com o
 dpkg (apt), da mesma forma pesquisei a diferença entre pacotes deb e rpm.
 Porem, não consegui identificar vantagens tecnicas sobre um ou outro.
 Gostaria de saber a opnião de vocês, porque 'deb  rpm'?


 IMHO, em termos de formato o apt tem uma grande vantagem, que é resolver
 dependências de instalação pelo nome de pacote, ao invés de usar o nome da(
 s ) biblioteca( s ) / tabela de símbolos como o rpm usa.

 Ex:
 Esses três pacotes tem o mesmo nome, mas qual que me atende ? 1, 2,
 todos, nenhum ?

 http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/dag/redhat/el5/x86_64/netcdf-
 3.6.2-1.el5.rf.x86_64.html

 http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/epel/5/x86_64/netcdf-3.6.3-1.
 el5.x86_64.html

 http://pkgs.repoforge.org/netcdf/netcdf-3.6.3-1.el5.rf.x86_64.rpm



 O que é diferente do .deb :

 C : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdfc7
 C++ : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdfc++4
 Fortran : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libnetcdff5




 Espero que ajude.


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Re: deb rpm?

[Fabricio Cannini]

Em 13/01/2014 18:47, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.br escreveu:

 Pacotes deb e rpm são uma coisa, apt é outra.

 Os pacotes deb são infinitamente mais difíceis de serem criados.  Mas o
sistema de geração os deixa muito mais consistentes, a ponto de funcionar
bem sem o apt.  É possível instalar um pacote e suas dependências apenas
com dpkg.

 rpm é mais simples de se criar, com os SPECs, mas precisa que sua
consistência seja mantida pelo empacotador.

 Pra compensar as deficiências do rpm, foram adicionados gerenciadores de
repositório, que são o yum, zypper e até mesmo o apt-rpm.

 No Debian o apt-get veio pra ajudar com os pacotes de forma mais
automatizada, pois antes se usava o deselect, que era quase escrever de
trás pra frente em klingon um ave-maria em romeno pra conseguir instalar os
pacotes necessários.

 No estágio que estão ambos atualmente, são todos muito robustos.  Pra
upgrades maiores, pra mudança grande de versão, IMHO, deb ainda vai
melhor.  Mas é mais uma questão de gosto que técnica.

Isso também tem a ver com a cultura da distro, Hélio. O Debian sempre teve
muito forte a coisa do não reinstalar, coisa que eu não vejo no centos,
ou ubuntu, ou fedora, por exemplo ( me corrijam se eu estiver errado ).

Os meus poréns com centos/fedora/ubuntu sobre empacotamento é que essas
distros preferem pacotes minimalistas, com o mínimo necessário para ser
útil, enquanto que o Debian prefere que o pacote seja o mais completo
possível.
( Ou os mantenedores dos pacotes que eu uso bastante, mas é tão comum que
eu acredito que seja uma política dessas distros. Olhem por exemplo o hdf5
no packages.debian.org e no rpmfind.net . )
Sim, isso implica em uma complexidade maior na criação, mas é uma mão na
roda pro usuário.

Re: Goran Gligoric RPM

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 07:51:21PM -0400, Doug wrote:
 However: a program called alien (I don't know if that is available on Debian,
 or that's something else you have to go round the corner to
 get) is supposed to make RPMs available to deb systems, and vice versa.

What is wrong with
root@tal:~# apt-cache search alien
[...]
alien - convert and install rpm and other packages
[...]

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Goran Gligoric RPM

[Goran Gligoric]

Dear Sir or Madam,

I have problem to download RPM Red hat program Manager I am using debian 7 
32bit to install fkash player and java I have so problem
to find and install I try to use your help but is totaly usless also to use 
tar.gz file is like imposible mision I am still like debian I very new
in linux I am try in ubuntu is no problem but I want to stay in debian if can 
help me to instal rpm and tar.gz file formats in debian I try very hard
I am reaky need help also i poot coomand on terminal apt-get flash 
player-nonefree is notworking is so dificult, could you please 
help me thanks 

Kind Regards,

Goran Gligoric

Re: Goran Gligoric RPM

[Doug]

On 08/22/2013 06:50 PM, Goran Gligoric wrote:
 Dear Sir or Madam,
  
 I have problem to download RPM Red hat program Manager I am using debian
 7 32bit to install fkash player and java I have so problem
 to find and install I try to use your help but is totaly usless also to
 use tar.gz file is like imposible mision I am still like debian I very new
 in linux I am try in ubuntu is no problem but I want to stay in debian
 if can help me to instal rpm and tar.gz file formats in debian I try
 very hard
 I am reaky need help also i poot coomand on terminal apt-get flash
 player-nonefree is notworking is so dificult, could you please 
 help me thanks 
  
 Kind Regards,
  
 Goran Gligoric

As a new-to-Linux person, you are looking to do what most folks who have been 
using Linux for years would not attempt. I have been around
Linux for a number of years, and I have on occasion tried the cross-
install routine, and had no luck with it. I won't tell you it can't be done,
but I would strongly recommend you to find a distro that has the
programs you want to use, or find a program in Debian that will do 
*almost* what you want to do, and put up with it.
However: a program called alien (I don't know if that is available on Debian,
or that's something else you have to go round the corner to
get) is supposed to make RPMs available to deb systems, and vice versa.
Here's an URL that says it worked for him:
http://www.everyjoe.com/2005/11/02/technology/howto-install-an-rpm-package-on-a-debian-box/
(Found by Google.) What's likely to happen is that there will be dependencies 
(libraries, usually) that are not found on Debian. Then, if you're
really determined, you can go look for them and install them, perhaps
also with alien. You can see what a can of worms you are opening up!

BTW: The Linux version of FlashPlayer is not going to be updated by Adobe,
but some distros still seem to have it available--PCLinuxOs, I believe is 
one. I think most distros will have Java. Obviously RedHat has these
programs you are looking for--why not download a live DVD and try it out?

Whatever you decide, good luck!

--doug

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Re: Goran Gligoric RPM

[Ralf Mardorf]

Ein Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:51:21 -0400, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net schrieb:
On 08/22/2013 06:50 PM, Goran Gligoric wrote:

 Dear Sir or Madam,
   I have problem to download RPM Red hat program Manager I am using debian
 7 32bit to install fkash player and java I have so problem
 to find and install I try to use your help but is totaly usless also to
 use tar.gz file is like imposible mision I am still like debian I very new
 in linux I am try in ubuntu is no problem but I want to stay in debian
 if can help me to instal rpm and tar.gz file formats in debian I try
 very hard
 I am reaky need help also i poot coomand on terminal apt-get flash
 player-nonefree is notworking is so dificult, could you please  
help me thanksKind Regards,

   Goran Gligoric

As a new-to-Linux person, you are looking to do what most folks who 
have been using Linux for years would not attempt. I have been around

Linux for a number of years, and I have on occasion tried the cross-
install routine, and had no luck with it. I won't tell you it can't be done,
but I would strongly recommend you to find a distro that has the
programs you want to use, or find a program in Debian that will do 
*almost* what you want to do, and put up with it. 
However: a program called alien (I don't know if that is available on Debian,

or that's something else you have to go round the corner to
get) is supposed to make RPMs available to deb systems, and vice versa. 
Here's an URL that says it worked for him:

http://www.everyjoe.com/2005/11/02/technology/howto-install-an-rpm-package-on-a-debian-box/
(Found by Google.) What's likely to happen is that there will be 
dependencies (libraries, usually) that are not found on Debian. Then, 
if you're

really determined, you can go look for them and install them, perhaps
also with alien. You can see what a can of worms you are opening up!

BTW: The Linux version of FlashPlayer is not going to be updated by Adobe,
but some distros still seem to have it available--PCLinuxOs, I 
believe is one. I think most distros will have Java. Obviously RedHat 
has these

programs you are looking for--why not download a live DVD and try it out?


Press Alt + F2 and type

xterm

then enter, in this so called terminal continue with

su

enter, or if su shopuldn't work

sudo -i

continue with

apt-get update

apt-get install synaptic
synaptic

Synaptic is a program that does allow you to search for software and to 
install software. Debnian doesn't use RPM, but DEB packages. 
tar.gz files usually contain source code, there are different ways to 
build and install something from source, one way that often does work 
for DEB and RPM based distros is this way:


tar xzvf name_of_the_tar_gz.tar.gz
cd name_of_the_tar_gz
./configure
make
checkinstall
su
or if su shouldn't work
sudo -i

dpkg -i *.deb

but you need to take care to full the dependencies, so for a beginner 
this could be hard to do. 




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Re: Goran Gligoric RPM

[Ralf Mardorf]

Ein Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:59:41 +0200, Ralf Mardorf 
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net schrieb:

Ein Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:51:21 -0400, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net schrieb:

On 08/22/2013 06:50 PM, Goran Gligoric wrote:
  Dear Sir or Madam,
I have problem to download RPM Red hat program Manager I am 
using debian

  7 32bit to install fkash player and java I have so problem
  to find and install I try to use your help but is totaly usless also to
  use tar.gz file is like imposible mision I am still like debian I 
very new

  in linux I am try in ubuntu is no problem but I want to stay in debian
  if can help me to instal rpm and tar.gz file formats in debian I try
  very hard
  I am reaky need help also i poot coomand on terminal apt-get flash
  player-nonefree is notworking is so dificult, could you please  
 help me thanksKind Regards,

Goran Gligoric

 As a new-to-Linux person, you are looking to do what most folks who 
 have been using Linux for years would not attempt. I have been 
around

 Linux for a number of years, and I have on occasion tried the cross-
 install routine, and had no luck with it. I won't tell you it 
can't be done,

 but I would strongly recommend you to find a distro that has the
 programs you want to use, or find a program in Debian that will do 
 *almost* what you want to do, and put up with it.  However: a 
program called alien (I don't know if that is available on Debian,

 or that's something else you have to go round the corner to
 get) is supposed to make RPMs available to deb systems, and vice 
versa.  Here's an URL that says it worked for him:
 
http://www.everyjoe.com/2005/11/02/technology/howto-install-an-rpm-package-on-a-debian-box/
 (Found by Google.) What's likely to happen is that there will be  
dependencies (libraries, usually) that are not found on Debian. Then, 
 if you're

 really determined, you can go look for them and install them, perhaps
 also with alien. You can see what a can of worms you are opening up!

 BTW: The Linux version of FlashPlayer is not going to be updated by Adobe,
 but some distros still seem to have it available--PCLinuxOs, I  
believe is one. I think most distros will have Java. Obviously RedHat 
 has these

 programs you are looking for--why not download a live DVD and try it out?

Press Alt + F2 and type

xterm

then enter, in this so called terminal continue with

su

enter, or if su shopuldn't work

sudo -i

continue with

apt-get update

apt-get install synaptic
synaptic

Synaptic is a program that does allow you to search for software and 
to install software. Debnian doesn't use RPM, but DEB packages. 
tar.gz files usually contain source code, there are different ways to 
build and install something from source, one way that often does work 
for DEB and RPM based distros is this way:


tar xzvf name_of_the_tar_gz.tar.gz
cd name_of_the_tar_gz
./configure
make
checkinstall
su
or if su shouldn't work
sudo -i

dpkg -i *.deb

but you need to take care to full the dependencies, so for a beginner 
this could be hard to do. 


JFTR dpkg -i does only work for DEB, for RPM you have to use another 
command. At leasst checkinstall has to be installed by synaptic, before 
it's available. ./configure and make aren't always the steps to compile. 




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rpm

[ChadDavis]

I'm doing some software development that uses RPM packages.  I would like
to have RPM installed on my debian system for trivial and development only
usage.  In other words, I don't really plan to manage my system with it at
all; i just want to use it for my dev purposes.

My question is whether this is a problem.  Will it somehow corrupt my deb
system to simply install RPM and use it to play with the odd rpm package?

Re: rpm

[Frank Miles]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:40:01 +0200, ChadDavis wrote:

 I'm doing some software development that uses RPM packages.  I would
 like to have RPM installed on my debian system for trivial and
 development only usage.  In other words, I don't really plan to manage
 my system with it at all; i just want to use it for my dev purposes.
 
 My question is whether this is a problem.  Will it somehow corrupt my
 deb system to simply install RPM and use it to play with the odd rpm
 package? div dir=ltrI#39;m doing some software development that
 uses RPM packages.  I would like to have RPM installed on my debian
 system for trivial and development only usage.  In other words, I
 don#39;t really plan to manage my system with it at all; i just want to
 use it for my dev purposes. div br/divdivMy question is whether
 this is a problem.  Will it somehow corrupt my deb system to simply
 install RPM and use it to play with the odd rpm
 package?/divdivbr/divdivbr/div/div

Have you tried the alien package?  This converts rpms to debs, thereby 
not confusing the packaging system.


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Re: rpm

[Bob Proulx]

ChadDavis wrote:
 I'm doing some software development that uses RPM packages.  I would like
 to have RPM installed on my debian system for trivial and development only
 usage.  In other words, I don't really plan to manage my system with it at
 all; i just want to use it for my dev purposes.
 
 My question is whether this is a problem.  Will it somehow corrupt my deb
 system to simply install RPM and use it to play with the odd rpm package?

Feel free to install rpm and to use it to build rpm packages.  Having
rpm installed on your system for building rpm packages will in no way
affect your use of dpkg and Debian for your system.  It is only the
installation using rpm that is problematic.  (I have tried 'alien' and
found it clever but still lacking.  It is trying to do an impossible
task so I don't blame it.  But I don't recommend it.)

For casual use what you are suggesting should work fine.  You haven't
said how serious you need to be for doing this development.  But if
you are researching build dependencies for example then there will be
differences between dpkg systems and rpm systems.

For more serious use where you are trying to replicate an environment
then I suggest setting up a chroot.  Setting up a Debian chroot is
very easy. http://wiki.debian.org/chroot documents much of it using
debootstrap.  But bootstrapping a rpm system is more difficult.

Setting up a chroot for a foreign system (RHEL, SuSE, others) depends
upon how easy it is to set up the foreign system.  The Linux kernel
will be shared with Debian but then the userland will be only that
target system.  Within limits of Linux compatibility that works well
for Debian hosting the system.

For RHEL/CentOS, SuSE, others I tend to install a system on some
random machine and then simply make a copy of the entire system over
to a /srv/chroot/rhel-5-chroot/ directory.  Then chroot into it and
use it to do software development on a foreign system but within the
Debian machine.

Bob


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Re: How to create a i386 deb from rpm on an amd64 system

[Bob Proulx]

Johann Spies wrote:
 I want to convert iscan rpm (an Epson scanner driver) to a deb.  This
 driver only works on i386 systems.
 
 I have installed multiarch on my system but it seems that there is no alien
 that can do the job on my system.
 
 Alternatively, I have an old deb of this package but dpkg complains there
 is a duplicate 'Architecture' line in the control file.  Using mc I could
 copy the control file from the package to /tmp/ and edit it, but I could
 not put it back.  How can I correct the control file in the debian package?

Since you have good suggestions on rebuilding the deb I would do
that.  But as for building 32-bit rpms on 64-bit debian I would use a
32-bit chroot.  Here is the boiled down instructions.

  # mkdir -p /srv/chroot
  # cd /srv/chroot
  # debootstrap --arch i386 wheezy wheezy-rpm http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
  # chroot /srv/chroot/wheezy-rpm su -
  # cat  ./usr/sbin/policy-rc.d -EOF
#!/bin/sh
exit 101
EOF
  # chmod a+x ./usr/sbin/policy-rc.d
  # apt-get update
  # apt-get install build-essential
  # apt-get install rpm

With that you will be sitting in a 32-bit chroot with rpm installed
and a basic build environment.  Install what you need for your
purposes.  You should be able to build your 32-bit rpm there.  I would
set up my own user uid:gid in the chroot and then be non-root me to
build the rpm.

  $ sudo chroot /srv/chroot/wheezy-rpm su - rwp

More details are available here:

  http://wiki.debian.org/chroot

Bob


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Re: How to create a i386 deb from rpm on an amd64 system

[Johann Spies]

Thanks Bob.  That worked perfectly.

Regards
Johann


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How to create a i386 deb from rpm on an amd64 system

[Johann Spies]

I want to convert iscan rpm (an Epson scanner driver) to a deb.  This
driver only works on i386 systems.

I have installed multiarch on my system but it seems that there is no alien
that can do the job on my system.

Alternatively, I have an old deb of this package but dpkg complains there
is a duplicate 'Architecture' line in the control file.  Using mc I could
copy the control file from the package to /tmp/ and edit it, but I could
not put it back.  How can I correct the control file in the debian package?

Regards
Johann

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my lips will praise you.  (Psalm 63:3)

Re: How to create a i386 deb from rpm on an amd64 system

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Johann Spies wrote:
I want to convert iscan rpm (an Epson scanner driver) to a deb.  This 
driver only works on i386 systems.


I have installed multiarch on my system but it seems that there is no 
alien that can do the job on my system.


Alternatively, I have an old deb of this package but dpkg complains 
there is a duplicate 'Architecture' line in the control file.  Using mc 
I could copy the control file from the package to /tmp/ and edit it, but 
I could not put it back.  How can I correct the control file in the 
debian package?




These are my notes from 3 years ago when that happened to me:

HOWTO eliminate the duplicate Architecture field:
Create a package directory (say /mc_4.6.2-2)
then: dpkg-deb -x mc_4.6.2~git20080311-4_i386.deb /mc_4.6.2-2
then: dpkg-deb -e mc_4.6.2~git20080311-4_i386.deb /mc_4.6.2-2
Move the files from the latter into a dir named ‘DEBIAN’
Edit the control file in DEBIAN and delete the second Architecture field.
then: dpkg-deb -b /mc_4.6.2-2
This will create mc_4.6.2-2.deb
dpkg -i mc_4.6.2-2.deb

Hugo


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Re: How to create a i386 deb from rpm on an amd64 system

[berenger . morel]

Le 26.04.2013 19:39, Johann Spies a écrit :

I want to convert iscan rpm (an Epson scanner driver) to a deb.  This
driver only works on i386 systems.

I have installed multiarch on my system but it seems that there is no
alien that can do the job on my system.

Alternatively, I have an old deb of this package but dpkg complains
there is a duplicate 'Architecture' line in the control file.  Using
mc I could copy the control file from the package to /tmp/ and edit
it, but I could not put it back.  How can I correct the control file
in the debian package?

Regards
Johann


Since Hugo gave explanations that I think should work (I would 
otherwise have gave you the advice to simply uncompress all stuff in a 
folder, fix the file, and then to use dpkg-deb to rebuild the 
package...) I will simply give you some hint about what to search for 
the conversion of a rmp package into a deb one:


#aptitude install alien
$man alien


Have fun :)


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Go Linux]

--- On Mon, 9/26/11, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote:

 From: Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net
 Subject: Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 
 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 6:22 PM
 
 
 On Monday 26 September 2011 06:32:24 am Andrew McGlashan
 wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Lisi wrote:
   Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1
 TB 7200 RPM Internal
   Hard Disk Drive worth the extra money over the
 Blue ranges?
  
   And would you recommend it?  I don't want to
 cause myself complications
   with another dud drive. :-(
 
  Of all the options from WD, I would definitely go with
 the Black ones --
  they have longer warranty and are a much safer
 bet.  But as with all
  HDDs, they will fail one day  you are much more
 likely to get longer
  service from a WD BLACK though.
 
  Here's a fair summary page:
 
  http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/
 
  NB: The warranty is longer for a good reason and
 you're likely to have
  larger cache on the drive as well.
 
 
 +1, 
 all drives fail, having a longer warranty period usually
 means a better quality 
 drive, but in real life, it just means that the vendor
 provides new drives for a 
 while longer, if needed.
 
 I go by warranty period and try to Divine, somehow, the
 vendors service record.
 
 

I have 5 Caviar black drives though not the one mentioned here. One of them 
failed earlier this year. One partition wouldn't mount due to some some bad 
blocks according to fsck. Fortunately it wasn't a critical one.  It cost me $5 
to send off to WD (after carefully wiping the drive) and I had a replacement 
within a few days.


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 27 September 2011 15:11:39 Go Linux wrote:
 --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote:
  From: Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net
  Subject: Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB
  7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
  Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 6:22 PM
 
 
  On Monday 26 September 2011 06:32:24 am Andrew McGlashan
 
  wrote:
   Hi,
  
   Lisi wrote:
Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1
 
  TB 7200 RPM Internal
 
Hard Disk Drive worth the extra money over the
 
  Blue ranges?
 
And would you recommend it?  I don't want to
 
  cause myself complications
 
with another dud drive. :-(
  
   Of all the options from WD, I would definitely go with
 
  the Black ones --
 
   they have longer warranty and are a much safer
 
  bet.  But as with all
 
   HDDs, they will fail one day  you are much more
 
  likely to get longer
 
   service from a WD BLACK though.
  
   Here's a fair summary page:
  
   http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/
  
   NB: The warranty is longer for a good reason and
 
  you're likely to have
 
   larger cache on the drive as well.
 
  +1,
  all drives fail, having a longer warranty period usually
  means a better quality
  drive, but in real life, it just means that the vendor
  provides new drives for a
  while longer, if needed.
 
  I go by warranty period and try to Divine, somehow, the
  vendors service record.

 I have 5 Caviar black drives though not the one mentioned here. One of them
 failed earlier this year. One partition wouldn't mount due to some some bad
 blocks according to fsck. Fortunately it wasn't a critical one.  It cost me
 $5 to send off to WD (after carefully wiping the drive) and I had a
 replacement within a few days.

Thak you.  That is very helpful.

Lisi


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Steven Rosenberg]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote:

 --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net wrote:

  From: Greg Madden gomadtr...@gci.net
  Subject: Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB
 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive
  To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
  Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 6:22 PM
 
 
  On Monday 26 September 2011 06:32:24 am Andrew McGlashan
  wrote:
   Hi,
  
   Lisi wrote:
Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1
  TB 7200 RPM Internal
Hard Disk Drive worth the extra money over the
  Blue ranges?
   
And would you recommend it?  I don't want to
  cause myself complications
with another dud drive. :-(
  
   Of all the options from WD, I would definitely go with
  the Black ones --
   they have longer warranty and are a much safer
  bet.  But as with all
   HDDs, they will fail one day  you are much more
  likely to get longer
   service from a WD BLACK though.
  
   Here's a fair summary page:
  
   http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/
  
   NB: The warranty is longer for a good reason and
  you're likely to have
   larger cache on the drive as well.
 
 
  +1,
  all drives fail, having a longer warranty period usually
  means a better quality
  drive, but in real life, it just means that the vendor
  provides new drives for a
  while longer, if needed.
 
  I go by warranty period and try to Divine, somehow, the
  vendors service record.
 
 

 I have 5 Caviar black drives though not the one mentioned here. One of them
 failed earlier this year. One partition wouldn't mount due to some some bad
 blocks according to fsck. Fortunately it wasn't a critical one.  It cost me
 $5 to send off to WD (after carefully wiping the drive) and I had a
 replacement within a few days.


I had a WD Blue laptop drive that was running fine but was too small. I
replaced with a larger WD Caviar Black. The drive failed within a week. I
RMA'd it to WD, got a new drive in another week, and it's been smooth
sailing since then -- no problems with the 320 GB WD Caviar Black.

Like everybody who's used a lot of computers, I've had some drives go bad,
others seemingly last forever. There's no substitute for good, frequent and
multiple backups.

Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Lisi]

On Tuesday 27 September 2011 20:22:25 Steven Rosenberg wrote:
 There's no substitute for good, frequent and
 multiple backups.

I doubt that you would find anyone here who would disagree with you!  But 
failure is a nuisance even when it is not a disaster.  It is worth something 
to me to lessen the chance of failure, and I have had experience myself of 
how good the WD guarantees are.  But price is sometimes fixed at the point 
that marketing think the market will bear or even like, so is not a reliable 
guide to whether you get more bang for your buck.

Thank you very much for your input.

Lisi


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[OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Lisi]

Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard 
Disk Drive worth the extra money over the Blue ranges?

And would you recommend it?  I don't want to cause myself complications with 
another dud drive. :-(

If you wouldn't recommend it, what would you recommend?

It is, of course, for use with Debian.

Thanks!
Lisi


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:53:01 +0100, Lisi wrote:

 Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal
 Hard Disk Drive worth the extra money over the Blue ranges?
 
 And would you recommend it?  I don't want to cause myself complications
 with another dud drive. :-(
 
 If you wouldn't recommend it, what would you recommend?
 
 It is, of course, for use with Debian.

For what specific purpose?

It's not the same if you are going to use it just for backups than for 
storing the / filesystem on a home desktop, for a hosting company as a 
part of a hw raid system, to be used for a cluster or...

A most accurate description will provide you the better responses.

Greetings,

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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Lisi]

On Monday 26 September 2011 13:04:18 Camaleón wrote:
 For what specific purpose?

 It's not the same if you are going to use it just for backups than for
 storing the / filesystem on a home desktop, for a hosting company as a
 part of a hw raid system, to be used for a cluster or...

 A most accurate description will provide you the better responses.

Not really, it depends on the attitude of the person using it.  All I am 
asking is: is it better quality and more durable than the blue ranges.  Once 
burnt, twice shy. 

Lisi


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[John W. Foster]

On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 12:04 +, Camaleón wrote: 
 On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:53:01 +0100, Lisi wrote:
 
  Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal
  Hard Disk Drive worth the extra money over the Blue ranges?
  
  And would you recommend it?  I don't want to cause myself complications
  with another dud drive. :-(
  
  If you wouldn't recommend it, what would you recommend?
  
  It is, of course, for use with Debian.
 
 For what specific purpose?
 
 It's not the same if you are going to use it just for backups than for 
 storing the / filesystem on a home desktop, for a hosting company as a 
 part of a hw raid system, to be used for a cluster or...
 
 A most accurate description will provide you the better responses.
 
 Greetings,
 
 -- 
 Camaleón
 
 
Currently running Debian Linux on that exact drive with no issues at
all. 

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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Davide Mirtillo]

Il 26/09/2011 15:44, Lisi ha scritto:
 On Monday 26 September 2011 13:04:18 Camaleón wrote:
 For what specific purpose?

 It's not the same if you are going to use it just for backups than for
 storing the / filesystem on a home desktop, for a hosting company as a
 part of a hw raid system, to be used for a cluster or...

 A most accurate description will provide you the better responses.
 
 Not really, it depends on the attitude of the person using it.  All I am 
 asking is: is it better quality and more durable than the blue ranges.  Once 
 burnt, twice shy. 
 

Attitude? I would worry about the technical details of the drive. And
yes, system specifications do help if you need an advice. If you were
going for a RAID setup, i would reccomend you pick other brands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-Limited_Error_Recovery

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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:44:31 +0100, Lisi wrote:

 On Monday 26 September 2011 13:04:18 Camaleón wrote:
 For what specific purpose?

 It's not the same if you are going to use it just for backups than for
 storing the / filesystem on a home desktop, for a hosting company as
 a part of a hw raid system, to be used for a cluster or...

 A most accurate description will provide you the better responses.
 
 Not really, it depends on the attitude of the person using it.  All I am
 asking is: is it better quality and more durable than the blue ranges. 
 Once burnt, twice shy.

Attitude has nothing to do with performance nor adequacy. 

There are drives that are focused to be run to store data (slow rotation 
→ long life, power-saving capabilites...) while others are to be run over 
systems that needs for speed, reliability and/or maximum performance.

Back to your question: is it worth the black edition for non specific 
purpose and generally speaking? 

Okay, what are both prizes (blue and black) and what's the exact blue 
model? But I bet yes, black edition features a 5-year guarantee and only 
for that I would add extra pennies to the buy.

Greetings,

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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Miles Fidelman]

Davide Mirtillo wrote:

Il 26/09/2011 15:44, Lisi ha scritto:

On Monday 26 September 2011 13:04:18 Camaleón wrote:

For what specific purpose?

It's not the same if you are going to use it just for backups than for
storing the / filesystem on a home desktop, for a hosting company as a
part of a hw raid system, to be used for a cluster or...

A most accurate description will provide you the better responses.

Not really, it depends on the attitude of the person using it.  All I am
asking is: is it better quality and more durable than the blue ranges.  Once
burnt, twice shy.


Attitude? I would worry about the technical details of the drive. And
yes, system specifications do help if you need an advice. If you were
going for a RAID setup, i would reccomend you pick other brands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-Limited_Error_Recovery



Davide, you beat me to it - I was going to make roughly the same comment :-)

Though, it's not necessarily a matter of picking another brand.  Some of 
the WD drives are fine - it's more a matter of picking enterprise 
drives for use in RAID arrays.  I learned all this the hard way, a few 
years back, when my nicely tuned, high-availability RAID1 array turned 
to sludge -- turns out my vendor had shipped with drives with TLER 
turned on.  Needless to say, all replacement drives since have been very 
carefully selected.  Having pretty good luck with WD drives, just have 
to be the right ones.  (The other lesson, of course, is... if you bought 
all the drives in a RAID array at the same time, replace them all as 
quickly as possible, after the first one goes south.)


Miles Fidelman





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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Andrew McGlashan]

Hi,

Lisi wrote:
Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard 
Disk Drive worth the extra money over the Blue ranges?


And would you recommend it?  I don't want to cause myself complications with 
another dud drive. :-(


Of all the options from WD, I would definitely go with the Black ones -- 
they have longer warranty and are a much safer bet.  But as with all 
HDDs, they will fail one day  you are much more likely to get longer 
service from a WD BLACK though.


Here's a fair summary page:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/

NB: The warranty is longer for a good reason and you're likely to have 
larger cache on the drive as well.


Cheers

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Broadband Solutions now including VoIP


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Lisi]

On Monday 26 September 2011 15:08:27 Camaleón wrote:
 But I bet yes, black edition features a 5-year guarantee and only
 for that I would add extra pennies to the buy.

Thanks, Camaleón. :-)  That answers my question - I hadn't picked that info 
up.  So yes, to me that makes it worth it.  

But to answer some of the other specific questions:

I don't expect speed to matter.  My computers are all slow, so why worry about 
the speed of an external HDD?  Reliability matters more.

I am not at the moment intending to use it for a Raid array.  But if I can 
expect it to last 5 years, its use may well change over time.  My drives 
periodically play musical chairs.

So the next question is:  I am taking your advice Camaleon.  So which external 
caddy  or make of external caddy would people recommend for a WD1002FAEX?  Or 
doesn't it really make much difference?

Lisi


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:37:23 +0100, Lisi wrote:

(...)

 So the next question is:  I am taking your advice Camaleon.  So which
 external caddy  or make of external caddy would people recommend for a
 WD1002FAEX?  Or doesn't it really make much difference?

It doesn't have to make any difference.

I have external enclosures of both types, branded and with no labels 
and had no problems with any of them.

As you did not provide any item from we can choose to, I can tell you 
what fetaures I look for when buying these cases:

1/ Fanless aluminium based (I hate noise but disk needs to be cooled if 
it's going to be most of the time on).

2/ Nowadays I will look for a USB 3.0 enclosure with additional ports 
(such as firewire or eSATA, depending on what are your computer's extra 
connections, if any).

3/ Read *a lot* before buying to see if the case will work under linux. It 
does not have to have any problems, but ensure the chipset is supported 
by the kernel and uses open specs.

A good start point for digging is NewEgg:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=92name=External-Enclosures

Although they're USA based, I find it very useful due to the large amount
of products it has and user's feedback.

(there are also Amazon or another places where you can gather this data)
 
4/ A good design also helps in my decision but what you consider nice 
can differ from my point of view (and viceversa). I like cases with not 
many colors, sober, with small and not so bright leds to avoid 
disturbing me, a dedicated power switch button and addons like to be able 
to put the unit horizontally or vertically, small power supply...).

5/ Case size... 3.5 are okay if you have space limitations but 5.25 
cases will provide more room for a better cable management.

Greetings,

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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[francis picabia]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Andrew McGlashan
andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
 Hi,

 Lisi wrote:

 Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard
 Disk Drive worth the extra money over the Blue ranges?

 And would you recommend it?  I don't want to cause myself complications
 with another dud drive. :-(

 Of all the options from WD, I would definitely go with the Black ones --
 they have longer warranty and are a much safer bet.  But as with all HDDs,
 they will fail one day  you are much more likely to get longer service
 from a WD BLACK though.

 Here's a fair summary page:

 http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/

 NB: The warranty is longer for a good reason and you're likely to have
 larger cache on the drive as well.

According to the product pages for WD Black or Blue drives, they are
suitable for RAID 0/1
on consumer desktop only.  WD recommends their Enterprise line of
drives (e.g. RE4)
for servers running RAID.  Look at their site for more information.
When you reach
the page for a drive, click on the lower banner More Features.
Only then do you see
about RAID suitability and TLER issues with the particular drive.


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Lisi]

On Monday 26 September 2011 16:48:56 Camaleón wrote:
 As you did not provide any item from we can choose to, I can tell you
 what fetaures I look for when buying these cases:

Thanks Camaleón,

I didn't have a clue where to start!  Hence no info.  In the past I have just 
bought a case, and it has just worked - but it seemed worth asking the 
question does it matter, and you have given me just the sort of answer that 
is useful!

Lisi


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Lisi]

On Monday 26 September 2011 17:12:42 francis picabia wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Andrew McGlashan

 andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Lisi wrote:
  Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal
  Hard Disk Drive worth the extra money over the Blue ranges?
 
  And would you recommend it?  I don't want to cause myself complications
  with another dud drive. :-(
 
  Of all the options from WD, I would definitely go with the Black ones --
  they have longer warranty and are a much safer bet.  But as with all
  HDDs, they will fail one day  you are much more likely to get longer
  service from a WD BLACK though.
 
  Here's a fair summary page:
 
  http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/
 
  NB: The warranty is longer for a good reason and you're likely to have
  larger cache on the drive as well.

 According to the product pages for WD Black or Blue drives, they are
 suitable for RAID 0/1
 on consumer desktop only.  WD recommends their Enterprise line of
 drives (e.g. RE4)
 for servers running RAID.  Look at their site for more information.
 When you reach
 the page for a drive, click on the lower banner More Features.
 Only then do you see
 about RAID suitability and TLER issues with the particular drive.

Thanks, Francis - but David had understood what I meant and answered exactly 
the question that I was asking, so his reply was, from my point of view, 
perfect.  I accept that to give the perfect answer he had probably had to use 
divination, but he had done so to great effect.

Lisi


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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Stan Hoeppner]

On 9/26/2011 6:53 AM, Lisi wrote:

Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard
Disk Drive worth the extra money over the Blue ranges?

And would you recommend it?  I don't want to cause myself complications with
another dud drive. :-(


/knocks on wood

I've had a Blue series WD5000AAKS-00V1A0 single platter drive in 
production in my SOHO MX mail server for almost 16,000 hours now, 1.8 
years.  This is a 500GB 3.5 SATA2 drive, 7.2k, 16MB cache.  I'm pleased 
with it so far.  Primary workload is low rate random IO--Postfix queue 
file and Dovecot mbox.  250GB of it is not even partitioned yet.  In a 
nutshell, light duty use.  Relevant S.M.A.R.T. data:


Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0
Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0
Seek_Error_Rate 0
Power_On_Hours  15639
Power_Cycle_Count   50
Temperature_Celsius 26
Reallocated_Event_Count 0
Offline_Uncorrectable   0
UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0
Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0

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Re: [OT] advice re Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal Hard Disk Drive

[Greg Madden]

On Monday 26 September 2011 06:32:24 am Andrew McGlashan wrote:
 Hi,

 Lisi wrote:
  Is the Western Digital WD1002FAEX Caviar Black 1 TB 7200 RPM Internal
  Hard Disk Drive worth the extra money over the Blue ranges?
 
  And would you recommend it?  I don't want to cause myself complications
  with another dud drive. :-(

 Of all the options from WD, I would definitely go with the Black ones --
 they have longer warranty and are a much safer bet.  But as with all
 HDDs, they will fail one day  you are much more likely to get longer
 service from a WD BLACK though.

 Here's a fair summary page:

 http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/

 NB: The warranty is longer for a good reason and you're likely to have
 larger cache on the drive as well.


+1, 
all drives fail, having a longer warranty period usually means a better quality 
drive, but in real life, it just means that the vendor provides new drives for 
a 
while longer, if needed.

I go by warranty period and try to Divine, somehow, the vendors service record.

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yüklediğim bir rpm pakedi dep çevirip install ett im. programı çalıştırmak istediğimde aldığım hata m esajı

[Mehmet Ak]

Merhaba .

 relocation error: /lib/libcrypto.so.6: symbol __libc_enable_secure, version
GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference


şeklindedir. bu sorunu nasıl çözebilirim.

herkeze iyi çalışmalar.

Re: directly install RH packages using rpm instead of alien

[T o n g]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 04:16:55 +, T o n g wrote:

 - There is a complicated installation script (think of being more
 complicated than VMWare), and rpm installation is just one of its single
 line.
 - The only dependencies of the sw is actually JRE, so I'm hope I would
 avoid the infamous RH dependency hell.

JFTA, I would rather not poke into the complicated installation script, 
so I bite the bullet and did the rpm installation...

And it turns out fine. 

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Re: directly install RH packages using rpm instead of alien

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 04:16:55 +, T o n g wrote:

 We all know that,
 
 ,-
 | On Debian and derived systems it is recommended to use alien to |
 convert RPM packages into .deb format instead of bypassing the Debian |
 package management system by installing them directly with rpm. `-
 
 However, I'm wondering if it OK to install RH packages directly using
 rpm instead of going through alien convention.

(...)

Smart package manager¹ was developed having that in mind, but I think 
there is no direct (and clean) way to install rpm on deb systems (and 
viceversa), so, why not follow the alien path being the recommended 
one? :-?

¹ Does Smart's wide support for packaging systems mean I can install .rpm 
packages on my Debian system? Or .deb packages on my RPM-based system?
http://labix.org/smart/faq#head-15e431ff69330db0ad3f078e2139c58ba7b00a4b

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Re: directly install RH packages using rpm instead of alien

[Berni Elbourn]

T o n g wrote:
Hi, 

We all know that, 


,-
| On Debian and derived systems it is recommended to use alien to
| convert RPM packages into .deb format instead of bypassing the Debian
| package management system by installing them directly with rpm.
`-

However, I'm wondering if it OK to install RH packages directly using rpm 
instead of going through alien convention. 

The reason that I'm asking is that, 

- I'm installing a preparatory sw. It is only available in RH/Suse rpm 
packages. 
- There is a complicated installation script (think of being more 
complicated than VMWare), and rpm installation is just one of its single 
line.
- The only dependencies of the sw is actually JRE, so I'm hope I would 
avoid the infamous RH dependency hell.


But there is still one dependency there, and I don't know how to satisfy 
that. 


Do you have any similar experiences?

Thanks



Yes - don't do it. ;-)

Consider putting the application in a virtual machine, or asking the supplier 
for a proper Debian port?


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Re: directly install RH packages using rpm instead of alien

[Arthur Machlas]

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:16 PM, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote:
 However, I'm wondering if it OK to install RH packages directly using rpm
 instead of going through alien convention.
 Do you have any similar experiences?

Yes, one time my girlfriend put diesel  into our gasoline powered car.
I didn't think this was possible, but she managed to find a way.
Regardless of whether you can or cannot do the same with your car, I
would advise against it. The results were not pretty.

Best,
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directly install RH packages using rpm instead of alien

[T o n g]

Hi, 

We all know that, 

,-
| On Debian and derived systems it is recommended to use alien to
| convert RPM packages into .deb format instead of bypassing the Debian
| package management system by installing them directly with rpm.
`-

However, I'm wondering if it OK to install RH packages directly using rpm 
instead of going through alien convention. 

The reason that I'm asking is that, 

- I'm installing a preparatory sw. It is only available in RH/Suse rpm 
packages. 
- There is a complicated installation script (think of being more 
complicated than VMWare), and rpm installation is just one of its single 
line.
- The only dependencies of the sw is actually JRE, so I'm hope I would 
avoid the infamous RH dependency hell.

But there is still one dependency there, and I don't know how to satisfy 
that. 

Do you have any similar experiences?

Thanks

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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[Pere Nubiola Radigales]

El 2 de setembre de 2010 1:14, joan calb...@pangea.org ha escrit:
 Say??? Un SAI se el que és (rollo protecció de sobretensions, bateries,
 etc.), però un say??? (com és que hi ha tantes coses noves! :-p ).  Em pots
 fer 5 cèntims o googlejo?

Perdó volia dir una SAI. Fa temps que vaig descobrir que la majoria de
errors de disc es produïen per caigudes de tensió. Per això vaig
instal·lar un SAI a casa i oli amb un llum. Abans els discs només
aguantaven un any. Ara amb el SAI están aguantán 3/4 anys sense
problemes. Normalment, per un ordenador de sobre taula amb un de 500
vats ni ha de sobres i el preu pot rondar sobre els 60 euros

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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[Pere Nubiola Radigales]

El 2 de setembre de 2010 1:14, joan calb...@pangea.org ha escrit:
 Say??? Un SAI se el que és (rollo protecció de sobretensions, bateries,
 etc.), però un say??? (com és que hi ha tantes coses noves! :-p ).  Em pots
 fer 5 cèntims o googlejo?

Perdó volia dir una SAI. Fa temps que vaig descobrir que la majoria de
errors de disc es produïen per caigudes de tensió. Per això vaig
instal·lar un SAI a casa i oli amb un llum. Abans els discs només
aguantaven un any. Ara amb el SAI están aguantán 3/4 anys sense
problemes. Normalment, per un ordenador de sobre taula amb un de 500
vats ni ha de sobres i el preu pot rondar sobre els 60 euros

Pere Nubiola Radigales
Telf: +34 656316974
e-mail: p...@nubiola.cat
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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[GRiera]

Hola Pere:

No en tinc cap a cassa ja que tenia entès que les bateries d'un SAI no s'han de 
canviar cada any. És així o estic totalment desfasat? Gràcies i salutacions.

On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:40:48 +0200
Pere Nubiola Radigales p...@nubiola.cat wrote:
 Perdó volia dir una SAI. Fa temps que vaig descobrir que la majoria de
 errors de disc es produïen per caigudes de tensió. Per això vaig
 instal·lar un SAI a casa i oli amb un llum. Abans els discs només
 aguantaven un any. Ara amb el SAI están aguantán 3/4 anys sense
 problemes. Normalment, per un ordenador de sobre taula amb un de 500
 vats ni ha de sobres i el preu pot rondar sobre els 60 euros
 
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 Telf: +34 656316974
 e-mail: p...@nubiola.cat
pnubi...@fsfe.org
pere.nubi...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en u n disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[joan]

Menos mal que no es un nou invent... ja estic cansat de tanta cosa nova :-d

Pd.: això del SAI està bibliografiat? Perquè jo en tenia un (quan vivia 
a una masia, a la que les tempestes li fregien routers i similars...) 
però ara ja no en faig servir 8com que estic a la civilització un altre 
cop... I si és com dius tu, realment costa poc! (ara tinc un lladre 
d'endolls d'aquells que teòricament protegeixen de sobretensions, però 
ves a saber...


Joan Cervan

Al 02/09/10 08:40, En/na Pere Nubiola Radigales ha escrit:

El 2 de setembre de 2010 1:14, joancalb...@pangea.org  ha escrit:
   

Say??? Un SAI se el que és (rollo protecció de sobretensions, bateries,
etc.), però un say??? (com és que hi ha tantes coses noves! :-p ).  Em pots
fer 5 cèntims o googlejo?

 

Perdó volia dir una SAI. Fa temps que vaig descobrir que la majoria de
errors de disc es produïen per caigudes de tensió. Per això vaig
instal·lar un SAI a casa i oli amb un llum. Abans els discs només
aguantaven un any. Ara amb el SAI están aguantán 3/4 anys sense
problemes. Normalment, per un ordenador de sobre taula amb un de 500
vats ni ha de sobres i el preu pot rondar sobre els 60 euros

Pere Nubiola Radigales
Telf: +34 656316974
e-mail: p...@nubiola.cat
pnubi...@fsfe.org
pere.nubi...@gmail.com

   


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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[Pere Nubiola Radigales]

La meva experiència amb els lladres de sobretensions es que
protegeixen de les sobretensions però no dels pics de tensió que es lo
que malbarata els discs i que a la civilització poden ser molt
normals. El sai si que protegeix d'aquest mal.

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El 2 de setembre de 2010 12:01, joan calb...@pangea.org ha escrit:
 Menos mal que no es un nou invent... ja estic cansat de tanta cosa nova :-d

 Pd.: això del SAI està bibliografiat? Perquè jo en tenia un (quan vivia a
 una masia, a la que les tempestes li fregien routers i similars...) però ara
 ja no en faig servir 8com que estic a la civilització un altre cop... I si
 és com dius tu, realment costa poc! (ara tinc un lladre d'endolls d'aquells
 que teòricament protegeixen de sobretensions, però ves a saber...

 Joan Cervan

 Al 02/09/10 08:40, En/na Pere Nubiola Radigales ha escrit:

 El 2 de setembre de 2010 1:14, joancalb...@pangea.org  ha escrit:


 Say??? Un SAI se el que és (rollo protecció de sobretensions, bateries,
 etc.), però un say??? (com és que hi ha tantes coses noves! :-p ).  Em
 pots
 fer 5 cèntims o googlejo?



 Perdó volia dir una SAI. Fa temps que vaig descobrir que la majoria de
 errors de disc es produïen per caigudes de tensió. Per això vaig
 instal·lar un SAI a casa i oli amb un llum. Abans els discs només
 aguantaven un any. Ara amb el SAI están aguantán 3/4 anys sense
 problemes. Normalment, per un ordenador de sobre taula amb un de 500
 vats ni ha de sobres i el preu pot rondar sobre els 60 euros

 Pere Nubiola Radigales
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 e-mail: p...@nubiola.cat
            pnubi...@fsfe.org
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 útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no val la
 pena viure'l
 A. Camus

 i pels que teniu fe:
 Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu
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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en u n disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[joan]

Al meu SAI APC suposo que se li va morir la bateria després de no fer-lo 
anar durant més d'un any (ja tenia uns 4 anys)... Bueno, jo em vaig 
pensar que era la bateria, perquè allò no rutllava... I unes bateries 
noves casi valen tant com tot el SAI!


Però si és per salvar el disc dur, jo faig el que calgui!! Algú pot 
confirmar lo dels SAIs i la vioda dels discs durs!


Joan Cervan

Al 02/09/10 10:17, En/na Pere Nubiola Radigales ha escrit:

El 2 de setembre de 2010 10:06, GRieragri...@gmail.com  ha escrit:
   

Hola Pere:

No en tinc cap a cassa ja que tenia entès que les bateries d'un SAI no s'han de 
canviar cada any. És així o estic totalment desfasat? Gràcies i salutacions.

 

Jo el tinc des de fa alguns anys i no he canviat mai la bateria i cada
cop que s'ha anat la llum el ordinador seguia funcionant.(Tampoc
canvies la bateria del portàtil cada any.)

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A. Camus

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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[Jordi Funollet]

On Thursday 02 September 2010 08:40:48 Pere Nubiola Radigales wrote:
 El 2 de setembre de 2010 1:14, joan calb...@pangea.org ha escrit:
  Say??? Un SAI se el que és (rollo protecció de sobretensions, bateries,
  etc.), però un say??? (com és que hi ha tantes coses noves! :-p ).  Em
  pots fer 5 cèntims o googlejo?
 
 Perdó volia dir una SAI. Fa temps que vaig descobrir que la majoria de
 errors de disc es produïen per caigudes de tensió. Per això vaig
 instal·lar un SAI a casa i oli amb un llum. Abans els discs només
 aguantaven un any. Ara amb el SAI están aguantán 3/4 anys sense
 problemes. Normalment, per un ordenador de sobre taula amb un de 500
 vats ni ha de sobres i el preu pot rondar sobre els 60 euros

Jo vaig arribar a la conclusió (empírica i, si voleu, en direm autosugestió) 
de que el problema era la font d'alimentació; per casa acostumo a comprar els 
PCs més senzills que trobo, i si mires l'escandall et trobes amb que la font 
costa, com a molt, 15 euros.

Segueixo comprant PCs subdesenvolupats, però els canvio la font per una més 
presentable. Deu fer sis anys que la vaig comprar, la migro cada cop que 
compro un PC nou, va costar 50 euros, fa menys soroll que les habituals i el 
PC (discs inclosos) funciona més feliç.

Tot i que fa molts anys que no em miro les especificacions d'un SAI per casa, 
em sembla que el consum és força alt. Si algú m'ho confirma em sentiré millor 
català, pensant que a sobre els escatimo calers a Fecsa/Endesa. 

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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[Pere Nubiola Radigales]

Per mantenir el windows no calen 2 discs durs. Jo en els portatils
sempre mantinc el windows amb alguna partició un pel mes petita.
Sempre hi ha algun maleit programa que necessita el windows. En el meu
cas la actualització del gps només la puc fer en windows. El wine no
em funciona. La avantatge amb el linux es que sempre pots muntar la
partició windows per fer accessibles les dades.
De totes formes t'aconsello que muntis un say. Els discs queden mes protegits
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El 1 de setembre de 2010 1:17, Orestes Mas ores...@tsc.upc.edu ha escrit:
 A Dimecres, 1 de setembre de 2010 00:57:30, joan va escriure:
 Merci Orestes,

 Ja m'ha quedat clar que de Raid, res de res... Jo, de fet, trobava més
 interessant l'opció de dos discs d'1Tb en comptes d'un de 1,5Tb per
 poder posar-li fàcilment el linux en un d'ells (pd.: l'equip és per un
 familiar que de moment no vol prescindir del windows).

 Pd.: el que, amb el que escribiu, no acabo d¡'entendre, és perquè els
 equiops amb més capacitat Dell els munta amb Raid 0...

 Potser perquè els surt més econòmic posar 2 discs de 1TB enganxats amb el
 RAID 0 per tal que es vegi com un dispositiu de 2TB, que ficar-hi un únic disc
 de 2TB reals.

 Orestes.


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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en u n disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[joan]

Al 01/09/10 08:50, En/na Pere Nubiola Radigales ha escrit:

Per mantenir el windows no calen 2 discs durs. Jo en els portatils
sempre mantinc el windows amb alguna partició un pel mes petita.
Sempre hi ha algun maleit programa que necessita el windows. En el meu
cas la actualització del gps només la puc fer en windows. El wine no
em funciona. La avantatge amb el linux es que sempre pots muntar la
partició windows per fer accessibles les dades.
   


Si, jo habitualment ho faig així... Però aquest ordinador és per un 
usuari de windows i prou fa amb dedicar la meitat dels discs durs al 
linux (que per ell encara és l'aposta pendent). L'ordinador actual, molt 
desfassat, ha sortit de casa perquè el disc dur de windows te molts 
fallos i va deixar d'arrencar (la partició de linux, una debian 
estable, arrencava com una matxiota... per això quan el servei tècnic li 
va dir que el problema era de la controladora del disc dur, vaig pensar 
aquesta controladora no controla l'altra partició?? :-D ). Total, que 
si estan en dos discs durs, quan el windows s'autodestrueixi, doncs al 
linux ni tocar-lo! :-D



De totes formes t'aconsello que muntis un say. Els discs queden mes protegits
   


Say??? Un SAI se el que és (rollo protecció de sobretensions, bateries, 
etc.), però un say??? (com és que hi ha tantes coses noves! :-p ).  Em 
pots fer 5 cèntims o googlejo?


Salut,

Joan Cervan


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El 1 de setembre de 2010 1:17, Orestes Masores...@tsc.upc.edu  ha escrit:
   

A Dimecres, 1 de setembre de 2010 00:57:30, joan va escriure:
 

Merci Orestes,

Ja m'ha quedat clar que de Raid, res de res... Jo, de fet, trobava més
interessant l'opció de dos discs d'1Tb en comptes d'un de 1,5Tb per
poder posar-li fàcilment el linux en un d'ells (pd.: l'equip és per un
familiar que de moment no vol prescindir del windows).

Pd.: el que, amb el que escribiu, no acabo d¡'entendre, és perquè els
equiops amb més capacitat Dell els munta amb Raid 0...
   

Potser perquè els surt més econòmic posar 2 discs de 1TB enganxats amb el
RAID 0 per tal que es vegi com un dispositiu de 2TB, que ficar-hi un únic disc
de 2TB reals.

Orestes.


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Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[joan]

Hola,

Estic a punt de comprar un sobretaula Dell i voldria saber si hi ha cap 
problema amb aquesta configuració:


Disco duro doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

Si tingués 2 discs durs o un disc dur gran que després particiono, doncs 
és el de sempre, però mai he treballat amb això de disc dur doble Raid 
0 i tinc alguns dubtes:


1) això significa que tinc un sol disc dur de 2Tb que, mitjançant lo del 
Raid 0, jo veure com a 2 unitats?? O és una altra cosa?
2) hi ha cap problema perquè quan m'arribi l'equip amb windows 7 jo 
deixi un disc dur amb el windows i posi el linux a l'altre?? Em trobaré 
el windows 7 tot al mateix disc dur o això de Raid 0 implicarà que el 
trobaré escampat per tot arreu com si fos un tumor?
3) Més en general, per instal·lar, i després treballar, amb linux, és 
més convenient aquesta configuració o agafar un disc dur de 1,5Tb sense 
històries de Raid 0???


Salutacions,

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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[Orestes Mas]

A Dimarts, 31 d'agost de 2010 19:18:08, joan va escriure:
 Hola,
 
 Estic a punt de comprar un sobretaula Dell i voldria saber si hi ha cap
 problema amb aquesta configuració:
 
 Disco duro doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)
 
 Si tingués 2 discs durs o un disc dur gran que després particiono, doncs
 és el de sempre, però mai he treballat amb això de disc dur doble Raid
 0 i tinc alguns dubtes:
 
 1) això significa que tinc un sol disc dur de 2Tb que, mitjançant lo del
 Raid 0, jo veure com a 2 unitats?? O és una altra cosa?
 2) hi ha cap problema perquè quan m'arribi l'equip amb windows 7 jo
 deixi un disc dur amb el windows i posi el linux a l'altre?? Em trobaré
 el windows 7 tot al mateix disc dur o això de Raid 0 implicarà que el
 trobaré escampat per tot arreu com si fos un tumor?
 3) Més en general, per instal·lar, i després treballar, amb linux, és
 més convenient aquesta configuració o agafar un disc dur de 1,5Tb sense
 històries de Raid 0???

A veure:

Jo no utilitzaria mai un RAID 0, excepte si anés molt just d'espai. Amb el 
RAID 0 pots veure els dos discs com si en fossin un de sol de capacitat igual 
a la suma dels 2 discs, cosa que en simplifica la gestió i té altres 
avantatges (pot augmentar la velocitat de lectura/escriptura) però el 
principal problema que hi veig és que si et falla UN dels dos discs, perds 
TOTA la informació. I amb 2 discs la probablilitat de fallada es duplica.

A més: això pinta que la funció de RAID 0 la faria el propi xipset de la placa 
base, és a dir un RAID per maquinari, el qual acostuma a ser més inflexible 
que fer-lo per programa: Linux té una bona colla d'utilitats per fer RAID o 
coses més creatives com ara LVM.

Jo penso que sempre pots dedicar un disc a windows i l'altre a Linux, però 
probablement l'equip et vingui ja configurat amb el RAID i amb el windows 
instal·lat, cosa que vol dir que hauràs de reconfigurar-lo tu a maneta per fer 
això que vols, i probablement això implicarà remenar la BIOS, reparticionar 
els discs i reinstal·lar el windows. Si et trobes còmode amb això (i disposes 
d'un DVD amb el windows per instal·lar), doncs endavant.

Per acabar, el més convenient per tu és allò que et vagi millor. Per respondre 
a aquesta pregunta t'has d'assabentar bé de què fa cada opció tecnològica. És 
l'única manera de decidir. Per la meva banda (després d'alguna experiència de 
fallada de disc dur) jo dóno força importància a la integritat de les dades, i 
per això utilitzo en el meu equip de sobretaula dos discs iguals configurats 
en RAID 1 per programari (la informació està duplicada, i estàs protegit 
contra la fallada d'un dels dos discs). No hi ha windows en el meu cas, però 
si en volgués un podria usar un tercer disc, o tenir-lo en una màquina 
virtual.

Cordialment,

Orestes Mas.


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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[joan]

Merci Orestes,

Ja m'ha quedat clar que de Raid, res de res... Jo, de fet, trobava més 
interessant l'opció de dos discs d'1Tb en comptes d'un de 1,5Tb per 
poder posar-li fàcilment el linux en un d'ells (pd.: l'equip és per un 
familiar que de moment no vol prescindir del windows).


Pd.: el que, amb el que escribiu, no acabo d¡'entendre, és perquè els 
equiops amb més capacitat Dell els munta amb Raid 0...


Merci,

Joan

Al 01/09/10 00:16, En/na Orestes Mas ha escrit:

A Dimarts, 31 d'agost de 2010 19:18:08, joan va escriure:
   

Hola,

Estic a punt de comprar un sobretaula Dell i voldria saber si hi ha cap
problema amb aquesta configuració:

Disco duro doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

Si tingués 2 discs durs o un disc dur gran que després particiono, doncs
és el de sempre, però mai he treballat amb això de disc dur doble Raid
0 i tinc alguns dubtes:

1) això significa que tinc un sol disc dur de 2Tb que, mitjançant lo del
Raid 0, jo veure com a 2 unitats?? O és una altra cosa?
2) hi ha cap problema perquè quan m'arribi l'equip amb windows 7 jo
deixi un disc dur amb el windows i posi el linux a l'altre?? Em trobaré
el windows 7 tot al mateix disc dur o això de Raid 0 implicarà que el
trobaré escampat per tot arreu com si fos un tumor?
3) Més en general, per instal·lar, i després treballar, amb linux, és
més convenient aquesta configuració o agafar un disc dur de 1,5Tb sense
històries de Raid 0???
 

A veure:

Jo no utilitzaria mai un RAID 0, excepte si anés molt just d'espai. Amb el
RAID 0 pots veure els dos discs com si en fossin un de sol de capacitat igual
a la suma dels 2 discs, cosa que en simplifica la gestió i té altres
avantatges (pot augmentar la velocitat de lectura/escriptura) però el
principal problema que hi veig és que si et falla UN dels dos discs, perds
TOTA la informació. I amb 2 discs la probablilitat de fallada es duplica.

A més: això pinta que la funció de RAID 0 la faria el propi xipset de la placa
base, és a dir un RAID per maquinari, el qual acostuma a ser més inflexible
que fer-lo per programa: Linux té una bona colla d'utilitats per fer RAID o
coses més creatives com ara LVM.

Jo penso que sempre pots dedicar un disc a windows i l'altre a Linux, però
probablement l'equip et vingui ja configurat amb el RAID i amb el windows
instal·lat, cosa que vol dir que hauràs de reconfigurar-lo tu a maneta per fer
això que vols, i probablement això implicarà remenar la BIOS, reparticionar
els discs i reinstal·lar el windows. Si et trobes còmode amb això (i disposes
d'un DVD amb el windows per instal·lar), doncs endavant.

Per acabar, el més convenient per tu és allò que et vagi millor. Per respondre
a aquesta pregunta t'has d'assabentar bé de què fa cada opció tecnològica. És
l'única manera de decidir. Per la meva banda (després d'alguna experiència de
fallada de disc dur) jo dóno força importància a la integritat de les dades, i
per això utilitzo en el meu equip de sobretaula dos discs iguals configurats
en RAID 1 per programari (la informació està duplicada, i estàs protegit
contra la fallada d'un dels dos discs). No hi ha windows en el meu cas, però
si en volgués un podria usar un tercer disc, o tenir-lo en una màquina
virtual.

Cordialment,

Orestes Mas.


   


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del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no val la pena viure'l
A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu
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Re: Instal·lació dual (win / linux) en un disc dur doble de 2 TB Raid 0 Stripe (2 x 1 TB - 7.200 rpm)

[Orestes Mas]

A Dimecres, 1 de setembre de 2010 00:57:30, joan va escriure:
 Merci Orestes,
 
 Ja m'ha quedat clar que de Raid, res de res... Jo, de fet, trobava més
 interessant l'opció de dos discs d'1Tb en comptes d'un de 1,5Tb per
 poder posar-li fàcilment el linux en un d'ells (pd.: l'equip és per un
 familiar que de moment no vol prescindir del windows).
 
 Pd.: el que, amb el que escribiu, no acabo d¡'entendre, és perquè els
 equiops amb més capacitat Dell els munta amb Raid 0...

Potser perquè els surt més econòmic posar 2 discs de 1TB enganxats amb el 
RAID 0 per tal que es vegi com un dispositiu de 2TB, que ficar-hi un únic disc 
de 2TB reals.

Orestes.


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Installation de paquets rpm 32bits sur une debian lenny 64 bits

[Guy Roussin]

Bonjour,

J'ai besoin d'installer des paquets proprio rpm 32bits sur une debian
lenny 64bits ...

Pour l'install sur une debian lenny 32bits, il n'y a pas de problèmes :

alien *i586.rpm
dpkg -i *deb

Mais sur une architecture amd64, l'aliénisation ne passe pas car alien détecte une 
incompatibilité d'architecture.

Qu'à cela ne tienne je peux toujours aliéniser sur une autre machine en 32 bits
et j'obtiens un paquet *i386.deb que je transfere sur la debian 64 bits.
et lors de l'install j'ai un :
l'architecture du paquet (i386) ne correspond pas à celle du système (amd64)

Existe t-il une solution ?

Merci.

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Re: Installation de paquets rpm 32bits sur une debian lenny 64 bits

[Guy Roussin]

J'ai trouvé quelques éléments de réponse. Je vais essayé de régler ça avec un
dpkg -i --force-architecture *deb
Et si ça pose trop de problèmes, j'essaierai de faire un chroot 32bits ...
Merci.
Guy

Le 11/08/2010 12:26, Guy Roussin a écrit :

Bonjour,

J'ai besoin d'installer des paquets proprio rpm 32bits sur une debian
lenny 64bits ...

Pour l'install sur une debian lenny 32bits, il n'y a pas de problèmes :

alien *i586.rpm
dpkg -i *deb

Mais sur une architecture amd64, l'aliénisation ne passe pas car alien
détecte une incompatibilité d'architecture.
Qu'à cela ne tienne je peux toujours aliéniser sur une autre machine en
32 bits
et j'obtiens un paquet *i386.deb que je transfere sur la debian 64 bits.
et lors de l'install j'ai un :
l'architecture du paquet (i386) ne correspond pas à celle du système
(amd64)

Existe t-il une solution ?

Merci.



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Re: apt-get for deb and rpm

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:22:00AM -0500, abdelkader belahcene wrote:
 hi,
 I installed PLlinuxOS  which use apt-get with rpm

Hi, this is Debian User mailing list.
 
 I got an error deb  format is not recognized
 In debian  the rpm is not recognized, here deb is not

apt is ported to rpm world.  they use rpm.
 
 how to combine them

I think your are totally misguided.  Please ask PLlinuxOS mailing list.

Osamu


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apt-get for deb and rpm

[abdelkader belahcene]

hi,
Is it possible to mix   rpm and deb  with apt-get  procedure



I installed PLlinuxOS  which use apt-get with rpm

I wanted to complete the pclinus with packages I've downloaded before from
debian

here is a line in sources.list

rpm 
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/texstar/pclinuxos/apt/pclinuxos/2010
main update

I added  the classic line with debian package like

deb file:/home/ExtraPackages/

I got an error deb  format is not recognized
In debian  the rpm is not recognized, here deb is not

how to combine them
thanks a lot

bela

Re: apt-get for deb and rpm

[Marcio H. Parreiras]

Hi,

AFAIK, it's not possible to mix these different packaging systems in a
single list of sources. You can use the alien package to convert between
DEB and RPM formats, among others. PCLinuxOS have this utility, but you will
have to deal hard with dependences and, overall, it's not recommended
install packages of so different distros, mostly cases you may break your
whole system. So, IMHO, if you need a more complete distro, move to Debian,
Mint, Ubuntu or any other Debian Pure Blend.

Regards,


2010/3/14 abdelkader belahcene abelahc...@gmail.com

 hi,
 Is it possible to mix   rpm and deb  with apt-get  procedure



 I installed PLlinuxOS  which use apt-get with rpm

 I wanted to complete the pclinus with packages I've downloaded before from
 debian

 here is a line in sources.list

 rpm
 http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/texstar/pclinuxos/apt/pclinuxos/2010
  main update

 I added  the classic line with debian package like

 deb file:/home/ExtraPackages/

 I got an error deb  format is not recognized
 In debian  the rpm is not recognized, here deb is not

 how to combine them
 thanks a lot

 bela





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[testing] mise à jour de rpm

[gaetan.perrier]

Bonjour,

J'ai un problème avec la mise à jour de rpm qui vient d'avoir lieu. Il est dit 
qu'il faut faire la procédure décrite dans /usr/share/doc/rpm/README.Debian.
Le problème c'est que ça ne fonctionne pas. La commande db4.8_recover ./ semble 
fausse vu qu'elle me retourne la ligne d'aide de la commande mais sans indiquer 
d'erreur...
Si quelqu'un a une idée de ce qu'il faut faire, je suis preneur.

Gaëtan





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Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Mike Viau]

Hello Debian community,

I have been looking for a guide to convert an rpm package (specifically a 
kernel - 
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd/master/x86_64/kernel-xen.rpm) over 
into a deb binary or even a tarball will work for me.

Unfortunately my internet searches are resulting in very old means to 
accomplish this task.

http://ace-host.stuart.id.au/russell/files/debian/sarge/kern2deb/

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-extract-an-rpm-package-without-installing-it.html


I have tried alien -t myrpmfile.rpm and rpm2cpio myrpmfile.rpm | cpio -idmv 
with no success.

Therefore I was hoping someone could devise a quick how to for making recent 
rpm based kernels into a debian binary. 

Your time with this matter would be GREATLY appreciated!

 

-M


  
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Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:58:06 -0500 (EST), Mike Viau wrote:
 
 Hello Debian community,

 I have been looking for a guide to convert an rpm package (specifically
 a kernel - 
 ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd/master/x86_64/kernel-xen.rpm)
 over into a deb binary or even a tarball will work for me.

 Unfortunately my internet searches are resulting in very old means
 to accomplish this task.
 
 http://ace-host.stuart.id.au/russell/files/debian/sarge/kern2deb/
 
 http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-extract-an-rpm-package-without-installing-it.html

 I have tried alien -t myrpmfile.rpm and 
 rpm2cpio myrpmfile.rpm | cpio -idmv with no success.

 Therefore I was hoping someone could devise a quick how to for making
 recent rpm based kernels into a debian binary. 

 Your time with this matter would be GREATLY appreciated!

As you have discovered, there is an alien package for dealing with rpm
packages, but it is MUCH MUCH better to install a native Debian package,
ESPECIALLY if it is a kernel.  What specific real-world problem are you
trying to solve?  Why is a Debian stock kernel not adequate?  Is there some
kernel option that is enabled in the Redhat kernel that is not enabled
in the Debian kernel?  Is the Redhat kernel based on a release of the Linux
kernel that is not available in Debian?

If you need to build a custom kernel in Debian, I would recommend

   http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm

That happens to be my own web page and I am in the process of updating
it even as I write this e-mail, but my changes haven't been moved into
production yet.

I guess the basic question to be answered, though, is why you think
you need this specific kernel from a Redhat system installed on a Debian
system.


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RE: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Mike Viau]

Very fair question.

I need the xen patches that are incorperated in the kernel. 

(ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd/master/x86_64/kernel-xen.rpm)

I also happen to know the kernel is more recent then my 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel 
in Debian Lenny.

I am aware that I will be giving up the Debian specific patches applied to the 
kernel. I quess I just hope to not run into issue there. If the kernel.org 
kernels can work with Debian I don't see a reason why the SUSE kernel can not 
work with a Debian system either.

I would like the ability to use the ext4 filesystem as well as better hardware 
support/modules for the e1000e network driver and lastly for better SATA/RAID 
support. 

 

-M




 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:59:32 -0500
 From: zlinux...@wowway.com
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm
 
 On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:58:06 -0500 (EST), Mike Viau wrote:
  
  Hello Debian community,
 
  I have been looking for a guide to convert an rpm package (specifically
  a kernel - 
  ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd/master/x86_64/kernel-xen.rpm)
  over into a deb binary or even a tarball will work for me.
 
  Unfortunately my internet searches are resulting in very old means
  to accomplish this task.
  
  http://ace-host.stuart.id.au/russell/files/debian/sarge/kern2deb/
  
  http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-extract-an-rpm-package-without-installing-it.html
 
  I have tried alien -t myrpmfile.rpm and 
  rpm2cpio myrpmfile.rpm | cpio -idmv with no success.
 
  Therefore I was hoping someone could devise a quick how to for making
  recent rpm based kernels into a debian binary. 
 
  Your time with this matter would be GREATLY appreciated!
 
 As you have discovered, there is an alien package for dealing with rpm
 packages, but it is MUCH MUCH better to install a native Debian package,
 ESPECIALLY if it is a kernel.  What specific real-world problem are you
 trying to solve?  Why is a Debian stock kernel not adequate?  Is there some
 kernel option that is enabled in the Redhat kernel that is not enabled
 in the Debian kernel?  Is the Redhat kernel based on a release of the Linux
 kernel that is not available in Debian?
 
 If you need to build a custom kernel in Debian, I would recommend
 
http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm
 
 That happens to be my own web page and I am in the process of updating
 it even as I write this e-mail, but my changes haven't been moved into
 production yet.
 
 I guess the basic question to be answered, though, is why you think
 you need this specific kernel from a Redhat system installed on a Debian
 system.
 
 
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Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Stan Hoeppner]

Mike Viau put forth on 2/8/2010 1:24 PM:

 If the kernel.org kernels can work with Debian I don't see a reason why the 
 SUSE kernel can not work with a Debian system either.

I do.  The files available from kernel.org are source, not binary.  They are
vanilla.  Properly configured and built, a kernel.org kernel will work with any
distro atop.  The SuSE kernel you want is a binary, built specifically for the
SuSE distribution.  If it's anything like the SLES/SLED kernels, it includes
every Linux module, the kitchen sink, and the entire kitchen as well.

 I would like the ability to use the ext4 filesystem as well as better 
 hardware support/modules for the e1000e network driver and lastly for better 
 SATA/RAID support. 

XFS is better than ext4, esp for virtualization.  e1000 and RAID/SATA support
are menuconfig check boxes, as are all the features you want.

You are a prime candidate for building your own kernel, based on requirements.
But, maybe you aren't technically up to the task?

I'm currently running kernel.org 2.6.31.1 (i686), Lenny on top, with

SMP
EXT2/3
XFS
megaraid
libata, sata_sil
PIIX_IDE
e100
netfilter
etc

not as modules, all built into the kernel, no initrd, and it's small and fast:

-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1.5M Jan 15 04:06 vmlinuz-2.6.31.1

Maybe it's too easy for me to say build your own kernel, it's easy.  I've been
doing my own kernels since around 2002, so I've had some practice.  And I did
make mistakes along the way.  Good learning experiences, all.

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RE: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:24:06 -0500 (EST), Mike Viau wrote:
 
 Very fair question.
 
 I need the xen patches that are incorperated in the kernel.
+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8
 
 
 (ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/kernel/kotd/master/x86_64/kernel-xen.rpm)
 
 I also happen to know the kernel is more recent then my 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel
 in Debian Lenny.
 
 I am aware that I will be giving up the Debian specific patches applied to
 the kernel. I quess I just hope to not run into issue there.
 If the kernel.org kernels can work with Debian I don't see a reason why the
 SUSE kernel can not work with a Debian system either.

 I would like the ability to use the ext4 filesystem as well as better
 hardware support/modules for the e1000e network driver and lastly for better
 SATA/RAID support. 

A few logistical items first:

1. Please don't top post but rather use the usenet (bottom post) style of
quoting.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting for
more information.

2. Please try to keep your source lines to under 80 columns.

For further mailing list policy rules see http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/.

OK, there are two main issues here.  First, why am I trying to discourage you
from using alien (or some other similar tool) to import a foreign package
into Debian?  For that I refer you to the Debian FAQ:

http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-compat.en.html#s-otherpackages

The second issue.  If you need a newer kernel than the 2.6.26 kernel used
by the stable release (Lenny), there are a couple of options.

If you are satisfied with the stable system except for the kernel, and want
a newer kernel, I suggest you try a newer kernel from
http://www.backports.org
Currently, there are 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 kernels available in backports.

If you want all the packages on your system at a newer level, you might
consider the testing (Squeeze) system.  It currently has 2.6.30 and
2.6.32 kernels.  But all the packages, not just the kernel, are newer.
We don't recommend this release for production use, but if you must
use hardware that is not supported by the stable release, sometimes this
is your only option.

If you want to live really dangerously, and run the latest bleeding edge
code, you might try the unstable (Sid) release.  Be prepared for things
to break.

Debian has always been a trailing edge distribution as far as its stable
release is concerned.  We are more oriented towards stability and
reliability than we are with including the latest new thing as soon
as possible.  If you want to run Debian and you want the latest new
thing, you're going to need to go with the testing or even unstable,
in some cases.  But beware.  testing and unstable are called that for
a reason.


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Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 08 February 2010 14:01:26 Stephen Powell wrote:
 On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:24:06 -0500 (EST), Mike Viau wrote:
  I need the xen patches that are incorperated in the kernel.
 
  I also happen to know the kernel is more recent then my 2.6.26-2-amd64
  kernel in Debian Lenny.
 
 The second issue.  If you need a newer kernel than the 2.6.26 kernel used
 by the stable release (Lenny), there are a couple of options.
 
 If you are satisfied with the stable system except for the kernel, and want
 a newer kernel, I suggest you try a newer kernel from
 http://www.backports.org
 
 If you want all the packages on your system at a newer level, you might
 consider the testing (Squeeze) system.
 
 If you want to live really dangerously, and run the latest bleeding edge
 code, you might try the unstable (Sid) release.  Be prepared for things
 to break.

b...@monster:~% apt-cache policy | grep release
 release a=now
 release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia 
Packages,a=experimental,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main
 release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=unstable,l=Unofficial 
Multimedia Packages,c=main
 release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=testing,l=Unofficial 
Multimedia Packages,c=main
 release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=stable,l=Unofficial 
Multimedia Packages,c=main
 release v=None,o=Backports.org archive,a=lenny-backports,l=Backports.org 
archive,c=non-free
 release v=None,o=Backports.org archive,a=lenny-backports,l=Backports.org 
archive,c=contrib
 release v=None,o=Backports.org archive,a=lenny-backports,l=Backports.org 
archive,c=main
 release o=volatile.debian.org,a=stable,l=debian-volatile,c=non-free
 release o=volatile.debian.org,a=stable,l=debian-volatile,c=contrib
 release o=volatile.debian.org,a=stable,l=debian-volatile,c=main
 release v=None,o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian-Security,c=non-free
 release v=None,o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib
 release v=None,o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian-Security,c=main
 release v=5.0,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian-Security,c=non-free
 release v=5.0,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib
 release v=5.0,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian-Security,c=main
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=non-free
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=contrib
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=main
 release o=Debian,a=unstable,l=Debian,c=non-free
 release o=Debian,a=unstable,l=Debian,c=contrib
 release o=Debian,a=unstable,l=Debian,c=main
 release o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian,c=non-free
 release o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian,c=contrib
 release o=Debian,a=testing,l=Debian,c=main
 release v=5.0.4,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian,c=non-free
 release v=5.0.4,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian,c=contrib
 release v=5.0.4,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian,c=main
b...@monster:~% aptitude search xen-amd64
p   aufs-modules-2.6-xen-amd64 - Stackable unification 
filesystem for Linux 2.6 on AM
p   aufs-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64- Stackable unification 
filesystem for Linux 2.6.26 on
p   drbd8-modules-2.6-xen-amd64- RAID 1 over TCP/IP for Linux 
2.6 on AMD64
p   drbd8-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64   - RAID 1 over TCP/IP for Linux 
2.6.26 on AMD64
p   ipw2100-modules-2.6-xen-amd64  - Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 
(ipw2100) driver modules for
p   ipw2100-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 - Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 
(ipw2100) driver modules for
p   ipw2200-modules-2.6-xen-amd64  - Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 
2915ABG (ipw2200) driver
p   ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 - Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 
2915ABG (ipw2200) driver
p   ipw3945-modules-2.6-xen-amd64  - Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG 
(ipw3945) driver modules
p   ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 - Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG 
(ipw3945) driver modules
p   iscsitarget-modules-2.6-xen-amd64  - iSCSI Enterprise Target for 
Linux 2.6 on AMD64
p   iscsitarget-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 - iSCSI Enterprise Target for 
Linux 2.6.26 on AMD64
p   ivtv-modules-2.6-xen-amd64 - driver for the iTVC15 family 
of MPEG codecs modules
p   ivtv-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64- driver for the iTVC15 family 
of MPEG codecs modules
p   linux-headers-2.6-xen-amd64- Header files for Linux 2.6-
xen-amd64
p   linux-headers-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64   - Header files for Linux 
2.6.26-1-xen-amd64
p   linux-headers-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64   - Header files for Linux 
2.6.26-2-xen-amd64
p   linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64  - Linux 2.6 image on AMD64, 
oldstyle Xen support
p   linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64, 
oldstyle Xen support
p   linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64, 
oldstyle Xen support
p   linux-image-xen-amd64  - Linux image on AMD64, 
oldstyle Xen support
v   

Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 08 February 2010 14:46:44 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 I thought there were also some possible trademark issues with
  newer Xen releases, so it's possible there's some delay there as well.

Bug 391935 -- Done (not an issue)
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Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:46:44 -0500 (EST), Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 I have stable, backports, testing, unstable, and even experimental.  Sorry, 
 DDs have not yet packaged anything newer than 2.6.26 that includes the Xen 
 patches.  I thought there were also some possible trademark issues with newer 
 Xen releases, so it's possible there's some delay there as well.

I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about xen (isn't that a
particular sect of Buddhism?  :-) ) but it looks to me like the xen
kernel patches have been mainstreamed since 2.6.26.  See, for example,

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-patch-debian-2.6.32

According to this web page, the xen patches are already included
in the Debian kernel source tree for 2.6.32.


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Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:28:59 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote:
 I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about xen (isn't that a
 particular sect of Buddhism?  :-) ) but it looks to me like the xen
 kernel patches have been mainstreamed since 2.6.26.  See, for example,
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-patch-debian-2.6.32

I guess I'm getting old and can't see.  I just rechecked that page
and there's nothing in it about xen.  ?!
Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
Sorry for the false lead.

The list of files contained in this package

   http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/linux-patch-debian-2.6.32/filelist

does contain one hit on the character string xen, which is

   
/usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.32/debian/features/all/module-firmware/0001-netxen-module-firmware-hints.patch.bz2

but that doesn't appear to be what we're looking for.

My apologies once again.


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RE: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Mike Viau]

 From: b...@iguanasuicide.net
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm
 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:07:01 -0600
 
 On Monday 08 February 2010 14:46:44 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
  I thought there were also some possible trademark issues with
   newer Xen releases, so it's possible there's some delay there as well.
 
 Bug 391935 -- Done (not an issue)

Interesting, I didn't realize Xensource felt so particular about the Xen name. 
I guess it shouldn't have been a surprise.

Boyd you really hit the nail on the head with regards to using Debian as a XEN 
Dom0 server.


Stephen Powell wrote:
If you are satisfied with the stable system except for the kernel, and want
a newer kernel, I suggest you try a newer kernel from
http://www.backports.org
Currently, there are 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 kernels available in backports.
Using the later Debian backport kernels will assist with drivers and modules 
but does not solve my problem with running a XEN Dom0. Thank you for the 
suggestion, and might I suggest that you add a walkthrough on your website for 
Debian users looking to use the stable Debian universal operating system with 
newer hardware.


Stan Hoeppner wrote: 
 If the kernel.org kernels can work with Debian I don't see a reason why 
the SUSE kernel can not work with a Debian system either.
 
I do.  The files available from kernel.org are source, not binary.  They are
vanilla.  Properly configured and built, a kernel.org kernel will work with any
distro atop.  The SuSE kernel you want is a binary, built specifically for the
SuSE distribution.  If it's anything like the SLES/SLED kernels, it includes
every Linux module, the kitchen sink, and the entire kitchen as well.


Agreed I never took into consideration that the package was binary rather than 
source. That said I was hoping to create a deb binary that will contain the 
binary
files (linux-image - /boot  /lib/modules) from the rpm and install them 
correctly.

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Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:44:23 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote:
 I guess I'm getting old and can't see.
 ...

OK, let's try again.  I did find this package

   http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xen-hypervisor-3.4-amd64

But this is the hypervisor only, not the dom0 kernel that
needs to go with it.  I also found this thread on
the debian-devel mailing list archive for January of 2010:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/01/msg00033.html

Keep following the thread with the Thread Next link.
It may provide some useful information.


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RE: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm

[Mike Viau]

 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:17:37 -0500
 From: zlinux...@wowway.com
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Looking for: A quick how to make a deb from a (kernel) rpm
 
 On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:44:23 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote:
  I guess I'm getting old and can't see.
  ...
 
 OK, let's try again.  I did find this package
 
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xen-hypervisor-3.4-amd64

I have already created a xen-hypervisor-3.4.2-amd64 deb binary, but I trust the 
work of the Debian community more then mine :)

 
 But this is the hypervisor only, not the dom0 kernel that
 needs to go with it.  I also found this thread on
 the debian-devel mailing list archive for January of 2010:
 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/01/msg00033.html

Thank you! I believe you have found me a solution for a dom0 kernel, although 
it does not involve splitting open the rpm packages. I will know when I get 
some time to read up on git kernel tree revision control. 

On http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2010-01/msg00592.html


Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
By the way they now have a gitorious mirror so there is no need to
download rpm's and extract the patches from them.

http://gitorious.org/opensuse/kernel-source/commits/master
If my assumptions are correct I should be able to download a snapshot of a 
supported kernel source from kernel.org and patches (to xenify) the source code 
from the git tree. After compiling the patched source code into a -xen kernel I 
will make a binary deb package.


 
 Keep following the thread with the Thread Next link.
 It may provide some useful information.
 
 
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can't install laser driver supplied as rpm

[Steve Kleene]

I'm running Lenny and trying to install the manufacturer's Linux driver for a
Xerox Phaser 6280DN color laser printer.  The driver is supplied as a tar,
which unpacks to a single rpm file:

  Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

I ran

  alien --to-deb --scripts Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

which completed without error, making

  xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb

However, when I try to install this

  apt-get -V install xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb

it fails as follows

  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree
  Reading state information... Done
  E: Couldn't find package xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb

The package is right in the working directory, and I copied and pasted the
file name to make sure there were no typos.

It appears that installing the rpm may fail too.  I tried

  rpm --test -ivh Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

and got

  error: Failed dependencies:
  /bin/sh is needed by Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch

I of course do have /bin/sh, which is linked to bash.

I am able to list the contents of the rpm

  rpm -qlp Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm -
/usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280DN.ppd.gz
/usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280DT.ppd.gz
/usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280N.ppd.gz

I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to install this driver.  Thanks.


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Re: can't install laser driver supplied as rpm

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

Steve Kleene wrote:
 I'm running Lenny and trying to install the manufacturer's Linux driver for a
 Xerox Phaser 6280DN color laser printer.  The driver is supplied as a tar,
 which unpacks to a single rpm file:

   Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

 I ran

   alien --to-deb --scripts Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm

 which completed without error, making

   xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb

 However, when I try to install this

   apt-get -V install xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb

 it fails as follows

   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree
   Reading state information... Done
   E: Couldn't find package xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb
   

To install .debs you use dpkg -i file-name.deb, not apt-get.

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Re: can't install laser driver supplied as rpm

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:31:20 -0500, Steve Kleene wrote:

 I'm running Lenny and trying to install the manufacturer's Linux driver
 for a Xerox Phaser 6280DN color laser printer.  The driver is supplied
 as a tar, which unpacks to a single rpm file:

(...)

 I am able to list the contents of the rpm
 
   rpm -qlp Xerox-Phaser-6280-1.0-1.noarch.rpm -
 /usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280DN.ppd.gz
 /usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280DT.ppd.gz
 /usr/share/cups/model/Xerox/Xerox_Phaser_6280N.ppd.gz
 
 I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to install this driver.  Thanks.


If it's a PostScript based printer, you can just extract the 
corresponding PPD file (Xerox_Phaser_6280DN.ppd in your case) and 
install it with Cups. No need to install the rpm package at all.

Greetings,

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Re: can't install laser driver supplied as rpm

[Steve Kleene]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:31:20 -0500, I wrote:

 However, when I try to install this
   apt-get -V install xerox-phaser-6280_1.0-2_all.deb
 it fails as follows

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:35:16 -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI replied:

 To install .debs you use dpkg -i file-name.deb, not apt-get.

Thank you, that worked fine, and I even used to know that.  Apparently my
brain went on a sympathy strike with my VMware XP client, which had been
putting up blue screens of death when confronted with a new USB laser.  I'll
be testing the Linux driver and also a network connection from the VM.

At Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:33:52 + (UTC), noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it's a PostScript based printer, you can just extract the
 corresponding PPD file (Xerox_Phaser_6280DN.ppd in your case) and
 install it with Cups. No need to install the rpm package at all.

Thanks.  I hadn't been aware of that option.


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nvidia installer freezes on lenny x86 [solved: rpm]

[Chris Hiestand]

Before I could finish composing a request for help, I solved my own  
problem. I thought I'd finish the email in case anybody else runs into  
the same issue.


Problem:

When I run various (new or old) versions of the nvidia installer  
(provided by nvidia), it freezes right after I 'agree' on the license  
agreement screen. Hopefully the screenshot gets sent to this list  
properly?  Before upgrading from etch to lenny, the nvidia driver  
installed fine (with a legacy driver for the NVIDIA GPU Quadro FX 1000  
(NV30GL) chipset).


inline: nvidia-hang.png



There are some interesting spawned processes, which are inactive at  
this point:
root  5893  3167  0 19:25 pts/000:00:00 /bin/sh ./NVIDIA-Linux- 
x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run

root  5919  5893  0 19:25 pts/000:00:00 ./nvidia-installer
root  5928  5919  0 19:25 pts/000:00:00 sh -c env  
LD_KERNEL_ASSUME=2.2.5 rpm --query NVIDIA_GLX 21
root  5929  5928  0 19:25 pts/000:00:00 /usr/lib/rpm/rpmq -- 
query NVIDIA_GLX


The nvidia-installer log doesn't show anything of value.


Solution:

The process list gave it away.  I guess the installer detected a rpm  
binary and assumed that I was in a rpm based environment? I don't  
actually use 'rpm' on this system so I apt-get removed it. After this,  
the nvidia installer works fine.


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