Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015, at 03:25 PM, Haines Brown wrote: > > > LMDE 2 is Jessie-based while retaining sysvinit. > > I get the impression that Linux Mint is only holding off on systemd > because it is shaky. When it settles down, it will head in that > direction. Does this mean abandoning upstart? >From the link posted above: Similar to Linux Mint 17.x, LMDE 2 “Betsy” will be using the traditional sysvinit. The move to systemd could happen with Linux Mint 18 and LMDE 3, giving this new technology and the Linux ecosystem 2 years (or more) to mature and to iron out integration and compatibility issues. Cinnamon in particular is built without systemd support by default and the development team is planning to change this in version 2.6 to give the DE the ability to switch at runtime between systemd and consolekit/upower without the need to recompile anything. http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2764 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1433983715.4175675.292408409.62215...@webmail.messagingengine.com
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
On Wednesday 10 June 2015 22:25:48 Haines Brown wrote: > On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 05:07:18PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 08 June 2015 17:00:31 pjw wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2015, at 08:41 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > > > > > LMDE 2 is Jessie-based while retaining sysvinit. > > I get the impression that Linux Mint is only holding off on systemd > because it is shaky. When it settles down, it will head in that > direction. Does this mean abandoning upstart? > > Of hand, I don't know if upstart is a script or compiled. For me that > makes a difference. > > > There is also the TDE Debian Live/Install CD. Debian without systemd. > > > > http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/ > > Lisi, I was not attracted to exegnulinux because it seems too automated. It is explicitly for TDE. But it is no more automated than any other Live CD. > For example, I'm allergic to desktop environments. No, you are not. Allergy is a serious illness which can kill its sufferers. E.g. I am allergic to bees. If I get stung and can not get treatment I shall die. You are not allergic to desktop enviroments. You don't like desktop environments. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506102231.19135.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 05:07:18PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 08 June 2015 17:00:31 pjw wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2015, at 08:41 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > LMDE 2 is Jessie-based while retaining sysvinit. I get the impression that Linux Mint is only holding off on systemd because it is shaky. When it settles down, it will head in that direction. Does this mean abandoning upstart? Of hand, I don't know if upstart is a script or compiled. For me that makes a difference. > There is also the TDE Debian Live/Install CD. Debian without systemd. > > http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/ Lisi, I was not attracted to exegnulinux because it seems too automated. For example, I'm allergic to desktop environments. Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150610212548.gc2...@engels.historicalmaterialism.info
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
On Monday 08 June 2015 17:00:31 pjw wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2015, at 08:41 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > On 8/06/2015 4:55 AM, Francis Gerund wrote: > > > It seems to be dead, or at least dying. > > > > systemd is a huge mistake for Debian and other distros, a very sad > > mistake, Devuan or BSD will be a far better option for servers, if not > > much more. > > LMDE 2 is Jessie-based while retaining sysvinit. > > http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2808 > http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2764 > > http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=24 > > - > If anyone missed it, 8.1 was released on the weekend. > https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150606 > > -- > pjw There is also the TDE Debian Live/Install CD. Debian without systemd. http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/ Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201506081707.18501.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015, at 08:41 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 8/06/2015 4:55 AM, Francis Gerund wrote: > > It seems to be dead, or at least dying. > systemd is a huge mistake for Debian and other distros, a very sad > mistake, Devuan or BSD will be a far better option for servers, if not > much more. LMDE 2 is Jessie-based while retaining sysvinit. http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2808 http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2764 http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=24 - If anyone missed it, 8.1 was released on the weekend. https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150606 -- pjw -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1433779231.3339058.289848121.111a3...@webmail.messagingengine.com
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/06/2015 4:55 AM, Francis Gerund wrote: > Does anyone here have any inside information on what is happening (or > not happening) with the Devuan project? > > It seems to be dead, or at least dying. Not so quick. systemd is a huge mistake for Debian and other distros, a very sad mistake, Devuan or BSD will be a far better option for servers, if not much more. Linus Linux, not Lennart Linus please. > I am (more than) starting to think the whole thing was just a sick, > sleazy hoax/disinformation campaign by you-know-who to confuse and > disillusion any remaining heroic opposition to the systemd takeover of > (at least) all of GNU/Linux. > A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlV1qasACgkQqBZry7fv4vviMAEA3ocqXrZ7qz7p8i3FtpmiNtaf 4fpUHW/xsPduVt2tO7wBAOAkYYl+QFnPe1D02XxIq4Dtfy9J2JMJOHEzBQmJkInh =Lk0g -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5575a9ac.90...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 07:17:24AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > Not my impression at all. The Alpha 2 installer just came out. I was > able to install devuan in a virtual box without a problem, and so now > one of my virtual desktops is now a Devuan version of Jessie. Systemd is > not installed. I'm able to run my key applications also without > problem. The project seems to be coming along quite nicely (still needs > to replace udev). I look forward to a Beta. The issue perhaps being that Devuan has gone silent? Haven't updated the web site or posted to the mailing list in some time. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150608133131.ga1...@panix.com
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 07:17:24AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > Not my impression at all. The Alpha 2 installer just came out. I was > able to install devuan in a virtual box without a problem, and so now > one of my virtual desktops is now a Devuan version of Jessie. Systemd is > not installed. I'm able to run my key applications also without > problem. The project seems to be coming along quite nicely (still needs > to replace udev). I look forward to a Beta. What are the key changes Devuan needs to make to achieve this? As far as I can see, this is achievable in Jessie. I've tried to have a quick browse through the Devuan git repository, but the changes I've found are only essentially 's/Debian/Devuan/'. I haven't dug particularly deep, though. Thanks -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150608130343.ga27...@chew.redmars.org
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 08:20:41AM +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote: > Francis Gerund writes: > > > Does anyone here have any inside information on what is happening > > (or not happening) with the Devuan project? > > > > It seems to be dead, or at least dying. > > > > I am (more than) starting to think the whole thing was just a sick, > > sleazy hoax/disinformation campaign by you-know-who to confuse and > > disillusion any remaining heroic opposition to the systemd takeover > > of (at least) all of GNU/Linux. > > > The other conclusion might just be that there was just not enough > support for the project to be viable. Not my impression at all. The Alpha 2 installer just came out. I was able to install devuan in a virtual box without a problem, and so now one of my virtual desktops is now a Devuan version of Jessie. Systemd is not installed. I'm able to run my key applications also without problem. The project seems to be coming along quite nicely (still needs to replace udev). I look forward to a Beta. Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150608111724.gb7...@engels.historicalmaterialism.info
Re: [OT] Is Devuan a hoax?
Francis Gerund writes: > Does anyone here have any inside information on what is happening (or > not happening) with the Devuan project? > > It seems to be dead, or at least dying. > > I am (more than) starting to think the whole thing was just a sick, > sleazy hoax/disinformation campaign by you-know-who to confuse and > disillusion any remaining heroic opposition to the systemd takeover of > (at least) all of GNU/Linux. > The other conclusion might just be that there was just not enough support for the project to be viable. Mart -- "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes." --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/861thmiuva@gaheris.avalon.lan
