Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT), lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf: Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XKBOptions ctrl:nocaps Option XkbModel pc102 Option XkbLayout de EndSection I was lucky that the keyboard settings in KDE use setxkbmap with some options when you enable keyboard layouts. That helped me to find out that there's no 'Option XkbVariant de'. Once I got a good setting playing around with that, I used 'xmodmap -pke' to create a keymap which I edited to change the layout the way I wanted it. It's being loaded from my ~/.xinitrc now. For multilingual settings I'm using US Layout, and I have additional option in Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us OptionXkbOptions compose:lwin EndSection It works just fine, considering that I've laptop without 104 keys. And I can write in every Latin based alphabet. And I have to write in polish. Here is table for of compose keys: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html On wiki you can (?) read about it. Though if you have to write only in German de layout should suffice. May The Source be with you. -- darkestkhan -- jid: darkestk...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin0vv2a4tv-6he_wu_gi7r6dd1zvavbndwfc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping
On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 06:31:59 -0400 (EDT), Tomasz Maluszycki wrote: On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT), lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf: Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XKBOptions ctrl:nocaps Option XkbModel pc102 Option XkbLayout de EndSection I was lucky that the keyboard settings in KDE use setxkbmap with some options when you enable keyboard layouts. That helped me to find out that there's no 'Option XkbVariant de'. Once I got a good setting playing around with that, I used 'xmodmap -pke' to create a keymap which I edited to change the layout the way I wanted it. It's being loaded from my ~/.xinitrc now. For multilingual settings I'm using US Layout, and I have additional option in Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us OptionXkbOptions compose:lwin EndSection It works just fine, considering that I've laptop without 104 keys. And I can write in every Latin based alphabet. And I have to write in polish. Here is table for of compose keys: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html On wiki you can (?) read about it. Though if you have to write only in German de layout should suffice. May The Source be with you. I don't know what model of laptop you have, but most laptops have a way to emulate the numeric keypad keys and therefore emulate a standard keyboard layout. See, for example, the section titled Configuring the X Server on this web page for the IBM ThinkPad 600: http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm In this case, the internal keyboard of the IBM ThinkPad 600, which physically has only 85 keys, can emulate a pc101 keyboard, which has 101 keys. (The differences between a 101-key keyboard and a 104-key keyboard are the two logo keys and the menu key which were introduced for the benefit of that ubiquitous operating system which must not be named.) If your laptop does not have or cannot emulate those keys, as is the case for the IBM ThinkPad 600, then you should define the keyboard as pc101. Switching from the X console to a text console with Ctrl+Alt+Fx (x=1-6) or zapping the X server with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace do not require the use of emulated keys, but changing resolutions with Ctrl+Alt+Numplus or Ctrl+Alt+Numminus, where Numplus and Numminus are the + and - keys on the numeric keypad, respectively, do require making use of the emulated keys. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/784596209.151238.127825267.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 11:34:52AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:39:53 -0400 (EDT), lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:
Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf:
Section InputDevice
Identifier Keyboard0
Driver kbd
Option XKBOptions ctrl:nocaps
Option XkbModel pc102
Option XkbLayout de
EndSection
Are you running Lenny? I thought all that stuff was dynamically
sensed in Squeeze.
Testing --- no idea if an xorg.conf is needed, but it works now :) But
then, how do you tell the X server to use the nvidia driver or what
keyboard you have without an xorg.conf?
Stephen Powell wrote:
If I recall correctly, you had a 101-key IBM Model M keyboard, is
that correct?
Aren't they 102 keys?
If I recall correctly, the US version has 101 keys; and the international
version has 102 keys. The shape of the Enter key on the main portion
of the keyboard (as opposed to the numeric keypad) is the easiest way
to tell the difference. The international version has a key cap for
the Enter key that has the shape of a backwards capital L. The US
version has an Enter key with a rectangular shape. At the risk of
boring you with mind-numbing detail, here is the physical layout of the
US version, which is the one I have:
Esc F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 Print_Screen Scroll_Lock Pause
` 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - = Backspace Insert Home Page_Up Num_Lock / * -
Tab q w e r t y u i o p [ ] \ Delete End Page_Down Home Up_Arrow PgUp
+_(top_half)
Caps_Lock a s d f g h j k l ; ' EnterLeft_Arrow noop_(5_when_shifted)
Right_Arrow
Shift z x c v b n m , . / Shift Up_Arrow End Down_Arrow PgDn
Enter_(top_half)
Ctrl Alt Space_Bar Alt Ctrl Left_Arrow Down_Arrow Right_Arrow Ins Del
That's 101 keys.
Hm, the cap on the enter key is rectangular but at the top has an
outcropping which probably is what makes you referring to the
L. However, there are German keyboards that have this L-shaped enter
key. There are different versions of US keyboards as well, though
there might be only one version of the Model M.
It's qwertz, of course, jklöä# Enter, the Alt Key on the right side is
labled AltGr, and the Ctrl keys are labled Strg --- whatever these
are supposed to mean.
Besides that, the German layout is unsuited for computers because keys
like /, ~ and the brackets are at pretty inaccessible locations
(like Shift-7 for / and AltGr for {). That's something I changed.
If you're interested, I can send you my .Xmodmap ... There are some
pictures on [1]. Unfortunately, they don't have an email address which
prevents me from asking how much the shipping would be ...
[1]: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/keyboards.html
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Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 01:34:54PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT), lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Thanks! I got it to work after configuring the keyboard. Though the keyboard worked fine, it wasn't set up correctly, but since it is, I can switch again. I'm glad that you got it working, Lee. Would you mind elaborating as to exactly how you did it? Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf: Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XKBOptions ctrl:nocaps Option XkbModel pc102 Option XkbLayout de EndSection I was lucky that the keyboard settings in KDE use setxkbmap with some options when you enable keyboard layouts. That helped me to find out that there's no 'Option XkbVariant de'. Once I got a good setting playing around with that, I used 'xmodmap -pke' to create a keymap which I edited to change the layout the way I wanted it. It's being loaded from my ~/.xinitrc now. If I recall correctly, you had a 101-key IBM Model M keyboard, is that correct? Aren't they 102 keys? In my humble opinion, this is the best keyboard ever made. Yes, that's why I'm using them. There are just no decent keyboards available, except those and, probably, the ones that are still being built by Unicomp. Sooner or later, I might buy one of those new :) I've got a couple of them left over from old IBM PS/2 systems. The PS/2 systems are long gone, but the keyboards live on and on. I'll never part with them. I wouldn't, either :) I've got only one now, but I'll get at least one spare, or better several, so that I'll have a supply that will last for my lifetime. And I don't understand why anyone accepts the junk keyboards you get nowadays, they are totally unusable and are worn out after only three weeks. And you can't type even half as fast on them, compared to a model M. They are a torture. But I've never had any problem configuring them or getting them to work. Well, they kinda work out of the box, but I had to use one of those junk keyboards before I got my model M. I never bothered to get the junk keyboard set up correctly. And before that, I was using an American keyboard ... So far, I've been using hardware old enough to have a PS/2-style keyboard connector at the back. But sooner or later I will be faced with the prospect of getting some type of PS/2 to USB adapter so that I can plug it in to a USB port and use it as a USB keyboard. USB sucks for keyboard connections : The one I had to use before was an USB keyboard, and the responses to keystrokes were a hell of a lot slower than they are now with the PS/2 connection. It might be due to the keyboard, but I think it's an USB problem. (Also, being a USA user, I've never had to worry about locale settings, fonts, character sets, etc., for non-English languages. You'll have to start thinking about that once you get email in other languages :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100703133953.gb31...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:39:53 -0400 (EDT), lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf: Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XKBOptions ctrl:nocaps Option XkbModel pc102 Option XkbLayout de EndSection Are you running Lenny? I thought all that stuff was dynamically sensed in Squeeze. I thought that the version of xorg which shipped with Squeeze would ignore any section specifying kbd as the driver. I was lucky that the keyboard settings in KDE use setxkbmap with some options when you enable keyboard layouts. That helped me to find out that there's no 'Option XkbVariant de'. Once I got a good setting playing around with that, I used 'xmodmap -pke' to create a keymap which I edited to change the layout the way I wanted it. It's being loaded from my ~/.xinitrc now. Stephen Powell wrote: If I recall correctly, you had a 101-key IBM Model M keyboard, is that correct? Aren't they 102 keys? If I recall correctly, the US version has 101 keys; and the international version has 102 keys. The shape of the Enter key on the main portion of the keyboard (as opposed to the numeric keypad) is the easiest way to tell the difference. The international version has a key cap for the Enter key that has the shape of a backwards capital L. The US version has an Enter key with a rectangular shape. At the risk of boring you with mind-numbing detail, here is the physical layout of the US version, which is the one I have: Esc F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 F11 F12 Print_Screen Scroll_Lock Pause ` 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - = Backspace Insert Home Page_Up Num_Lock / * - Tab q w e r t y u i o p [ ] \ Delete End Page_Down Home Up_Arrow PgUp +_(top_half) Caps_Lock a s d f g h j k l ; ' EnterLeft_Arrow noop_(5_when_shifted) Right_Arrow Shift z x c v b n m , . / Shift Up_Arrow End Down_Arrow PgDn Enter_(top_half) Ctrl Alt Space_Bar Alt Ctrl Left_Arrow Down_Arrow Right_Arrow Ins Del That's 101 keys. Stephen Powell wrote: So far, I've been using hardware old enough to have a PS/2-style keyboard connector at the back. But sooner or later I will be faced with the prospect of getting some type of PS/2 to USB adapter so that I can plug it in to a USB port and use it as a USB keyboard. USB sucks for keyboard connections : The one I had to use before was an USB keyboard, and the responses to keystrokes were a hell of a lot slower than they are now with the PS/2 connection. It might be due to the keyboard, but I think it's an USB problem. I'm not looking forward to that. :-( Stephen Powell wrote: (Also, being a USA user, I've never had to worry about locale settings, fonts, character sets, etc., for non-English languages. You'll have to start thinking about that once you get email in other languages :) There's an old joke about that. Q: What do you call a man who speaks three languages? A: Trilingual. Q: What do you call a man who speaks two languages? A: Bilingual. Q: What do you call a man who speaks only one language? A: An American. :-) Actually, I did take two years of Spanish in high school. But that was a long time ago. And since I've never really had occasion to use it since then, I've forgotten most of what I learned. Thanks for the follow-up information. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2007377592.142855.1278171292150.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping
On 07/03/2010 10:34 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] Q: What do you call a man who speaks only one language? A: An American. :-) We speak the primary language of the from Nome AK to Miami FL (7200 km) and San Diego CA to St. John's NL (5550 km). Thus, there is little pressure for us to learn any language other than English. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c2f5ef9.5000...@cox.net
Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping
On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 06:39, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: USB sucks for keyboard connections : The one I had to use before was an USB keyboard, and the responses to keystrokes were a hell of a lot slower than they are now with the PS/2 connection. It might be due to the keyboard, but I think it's an USB problem. I suspect it's more likely a problem of individual models of keyboards. I have never noticed lag attributable to the keyboard/connection with my USB keyboards (I actually just had some lag typing this, but experience indicates that's just Mozilla). And it is really amazing how shoddy some models/brands can be in various ways. USB does have more latency in general, but it shouldn't be noticeable to humans. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktilhzuan-jnbaxvzxpf7ygm-vbkdpabkjjy-d...@mail.gmail.com
