Re: [mostly-OT] apt-get on RH, is it worth anything? (was Re: Debian: abandon ship?)
On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 09:26:54AM -0400, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: | | I use apt-get on my Red Hat servers that need auto updating. How much memory do they have? How long does an 'apt-get ' take to run, compared to debian with equivalent hardware? (not including any network latency, just the "reading package lists" part) | I dont trust RH Network. It has broken at least a dozen servers | that I know of, none of them are mine of course. Last time I tried up2date it was less that worthless. (admittedly that was about 2 years ago) It had almost no packages it could update, and didn't work half of the time (or more). | You can get a really great implimentation of apt-get for Red Hat at | http://www.freshrpms.net. See my first post in this mini-thread. That's where I got apt from, and it was worthless on the box I had available to me. -D -- The truly righteous man attains life, but he who pursues evil goes to his death. Proverbs 11:19 GnuPG key : http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/public_key.gpg pgpP2kGCkJkW9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [mostly-OT] apt-get on RH, is it worth anything? (was Re: Debian: abandon ship?)
I use apt-get on my Red Hat servers that need auto updating. I dont trust RH Network. It has broken at least a dozen servers that I know of, none of them are mine of course. You can get a really great implimentation of apt-get for Red Hat at http://www.freshrpms.net. -- Arthur H. Johnson II Catechist, St John Catholic Church, Davison MI USA Debian GNU/Linux Advocate, Window Maker Advocate President, Genesee County Linux Users Group IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],#windowmaker IRC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],#debian YIM: arthurjohnson AIM: bytor4232 ICQ: 31770438 On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote: > On Thu 06 Jun 02 15:45, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:48:15PM -0600, user list wrote: > > [snip] > > > > | The reasons I like [debian] are: > > | 1. apt-get > > > > [snip] > > > > | I'll note in passing that the first reason has lost some edge now > > | that RH 7.3 comes with apt-get and that there are ports to older RH > > | releases. > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Is apt-get on RH 7.3 actually usable? > > Red Hat isn't likely to seriously support apt-get. They're pushing > up2date, which updates your computer for you. It's free for the first > computer you sign up for, but there's a fee for additional computers. > > I tried up2date on one server. It never worked. It sometimes > downloaded the files I needed to update, sometimes died during the > download, kicking out an error message. Rarely were any of the new > packages installed. The install process usually died due to dependency > problems. > > Based on my experience with Red Hat's automated update process, I would > never trust it on a production server. > > Glen > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mostly-OT] apt-get on RH, is it worth anything? (was Re: Debian: abandon ship?)
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:55:31 -0500 "Glen Lee Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is apt-get on RH 7.3 actually usable? > > Red Hat isn't likely to seriously support apt-get. They're pushing > up2date, which updates your computer for you. It's free for the first > computer you sign up for, but there's a fee for additional computers. One reason I left Red Hat for Debian. > I tried up2date on one server. It never worked. It sometimes > downloaded the files I needed to update, sometimes died during the > download, kicking out an error message. Rarely were any of the new > packages installed. The install process usually died due to dependency > problems. Yet another reason. > Based on my experience with Red Hat's automated update process, I would > never trust it on a production server. You've very adequately summed up the key reasons for my replacing all my Red Hat installations (both personal and professional) with Debian. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mostly-OT] apt-get on RH, is it worth anything? (was Re: Debian: abandon ship?)
On Thu 06 Jun 02 15:45, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:48:15PM -0600, user list wrote: > [snip] > > | The reasons I like [debian] are: > | 1. apt-get > > [snip] > > | I'll note in passing that the first reason has lost some edge now > | that RH 7.3 comes with apt-get and that there are ports to older RH > | releases. > > [snip] > > > Is apt-get on RH 7.3 actually usable? Red Hat isn't likely to seriously support apt-get. They're pushing up2date, which updates your computer for you. It's free for the first computer you sign up for, but there's a fee for additional computers. I tried up2date on one server. It never worked. It sometimes downloaded the files I needed to update, sometimes died during the download, kicking out an error message. Rarely were any of the new packages installed. The install process usually died due to dependency problems. Based on my experience with Red Hat's automated update process, I would never trust it on a production server. Glen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
