Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-07 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:05:13PM +0100, s0lid wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 Im having an unsual issue with my debian 6.0.7 server. This is a fresh install
 and i set the IP settings to DHCP. It get the IP from my router(192.168.1.1), 
 I
 tried to ping the router IP but it doesn't reply i tried to ping a computers 
 it
 replies fine, I don't know what's going on here this is the first time i had 
 an
 issue with debian in terms of network. The router is accessible and can be 
 ping
 from my laptop.
 
 ---from my laptop---
 
 $ ping 192.168.1.1
 PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=254 time=2.623 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=1.000 ms
 
 $ ping 192.168.1.200
 PING 192.168.1.200 (192.168.1.200): 56 data bytes
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.200: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=5.701 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.200: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=2.320 ms
 
 
 ---from debian server---
 root@debian:~# ping 192.168.1.1
 PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
 
 PING 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=40.5 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=1.96 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=2.08 ms
 ^C
 --- 192.168.1.2 ping statistics ---
 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2003ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.967/14.861/40.532/18.152 ms
 
 
 
 I don't know if there's an issue with TTL or even if it's related at all. I
 also run arp from the debian server and it can see the router's 
 IP(192.168.1.1)
 
 root@debian:~# arp -a
 ? (192.168.1.1) at 40:4a:03:d6:ac:a9 [ether] on eth1
 ? (192.168.1.101) at e0:f8:47:1e:a0:a6 [ether] on eth1
 ? (192.168.1.105) at 08:00:27:b3:86:01 [ether] on eth1
 ? (192.168.1.200) at 00:16:b6:1e:01:a0 [ether] on eth1

Although you got the IP address via DHCP, it is still possible that
you have an IP collision - which could also give these symptoms, as
different servers will have different ideas of IP/MAC mappings on the
local network. To make things complicated, it often changes over time
too, as caches and cache expirations are in effect.

There's a couple of ways you can diagnose this: The easiest is to
remove your suspected faulty box from the network (unplug network
cable physically), and check whether the IP address still responds to
pings. If it does, then something else has that IP address.

To futher diagnose, this, you could manually change the IP address of
the debian server to an IP address you know for sure to be free.

Hope this helps
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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-07 Thread s0lid
I did that before i even change ip addresses to make sure but there's
no conflict on IP. Anyway i replaced my router with another one and
all works perfectly.

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Karl E. Jorgensen
karl.jorgen...@nice.com wrote:
 On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:05:13PM +0100, s0lid wrote:
 Hi,

 Im having an unsual issue with my debian 6.0.7 server. This is a fresh 
 install
 and i set the IP settings to DHCP. It get the IP from my 
 router(192.168.1.1), I
 tried to ping the router IP but it doesn't reply i tried to ping a computers 
 it
 replies fine, I don't know what's going on here this is the first time i had 
 an
 issue with debian in terms of network. The router is accessible and can be 
 ping
 from my laptop.

 ---from my laptop---

 $ ping 192.168.1.1
 PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=254 time=2.623 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=1.000 ms

 $ ping 192.168.1.200
 PING 192.168.1.200 (192.168.1.200): 56 data bytes
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.200: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=5.701 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.200: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=2.320 ms


 ---from debian server---
 root@debian:~# ping 192.168.1.1
 PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.

 PING 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=40.5 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=1.96 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=2.08 ms
 ^C
 --- 192.168.1.2 ping statistics ---
 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2003ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.967/14.861/40.532/18.152 ms



 I don't know if there's an issue with TTL or even if it's related at all. I
 also run arp from the debian server and it can see the router's 
 IP(192.168.1.1)

 root@debian:~# arp -a
 ? (192.168.1.1) at 40:4a:03:d6:ac:a9 [ether] on eth1
 ? (192.168.1.101) at e0:f8:47:1e:a0:a6 [ether] on eth1
 ? (192.168.1.105) at 08:00:27:b3:86:01 [ether] on eth1
 ? (192.168.1.200) at 00:16:b6:1e:01:a0 [ether] on eth1

 Although you got the IP address via DHCP, it is still possible that
 you have an IP collision - which could also give these symptoms, as
 different servers will have different ideas of IP/MAC mappings on the
 local network. To make things complicated, it often changes over time
 too, as caches and cache expirations are in effect.

 There's a couple of ways you can diagnose this: The easiest is to
 remove your suspected faulty box from the network (unplug network
 cable physically), and check whether the IP address still responds to
 pings. If it does, then something else has that IP address.

 To futher diagnose, this, you could manually change the IP address of
 the debian server to an IP address you know for sure to be free.

 Hope this helps
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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-07 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/7/2013 2:44 AM, s0lid wrote:
 I did that before i even change ip addresses to make sure but there's
 no conflict on IP. Anyway i replaced my router with another one and
 all works perfectly.

Then you should update the thread subject with SOLVED, whose/what
assistance led to the the eventual fix, and what the fix was.

I would assume my last post detailing my experience with Zyxel adsl
routers may have had some influence. ;)

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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-05 Thread Arun Khan
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:56 AM, s0lid s0lid101...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Guido Martínez mtzgu...@gmail.com wrote:
 To narrow things down, I'd like to ask three questions. Do you have
 internet access from the server? Can you access the http or some other
 service installed in the router? and what if you change your server IP
 to 192.168.1.2, does that make a difference?

 No internet because i cant go pass through the gateway, No access with
 the router at all even i do nmap.  I changed it to .254 but still same
 issue.


All your network parms seem to be fine in the server.   Try putting in
an another NIC and see if it helps any.

I agree with Guido - looks like your router could be b0rked.  I have a
ZyXel DSL modem/gw router (provided by the Telco) that begins to act
strange every once in a while.  The Telco says nothing wrong with the
line! [a].  Usually a power cycle resolves the problem

[a]   To be fair they have send their tech support and replaced the
unit a couple of times.

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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-05 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/4/2013 1:28 PM, s0lid wrote:
 On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
 On 5/4/2013 3:32 AM, s0lid wrote:
 On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you do a static IP config for the server and check?

 Yes, same result with static.


 Any firewall rules in your gateway, to trap ping requests from a sub
 net?  (a shot in the dark).

 no firewall running

 Ping the Debian 607 server from the router.  Result?
 
 It can. I also can access it from my laptop going to the same router.
 

 BTW, which consumer router is this?  You may have hit a firmware bug.
 
 i have a hunch it is, i just don't have another router to test on.
 This is a Zyxel whitelabeled to my telco so the firmware is custom
 made for my telco also.

Is this a Zyxel 660R by chance?  ADSL2+ router?  I've had nothing but
problems with mine in router mode.  It's an OEM Embarq unit.  It works
fine in bridged mode.  My SMC 7008ABR rackmount SOHO
router/firewall/print server recently failed--after more than 8 years of
flawless operation.

So I configured the Zyxel/Embarq 660 for router mode and began creating
NAT and firewall rules.  It was a PITA.  Every 60 seconds it requires
that you reenter the password, and thus you lose anything you just
configured if it took longer than 60 seconds.  Forcing a user to be time
rushed when creating firewall rules is just insane.  Then...

The last thing I did in the web GUI was create a TCP 25 egress filter
rule.  Upon saving the rule, the router inexplicably locked out all
access, even on the telnet interface.  Everything else still works, I
just can't get back in.  To fix this will require resetting the device
to factory defaults, again, which will require recreating all of the
existing rules, again.  The 660 actually has nice features.  Too bad
this OEM model is so flaky it's impossible to actually configure and use
the damn thing.

You're in a similar OEM situation.  Cut your losses, configure it for
bridge mode, and use an aftermarket router, as I will be doing shortly.

I've read the specs on a few models, and I think I'll probably acquire
the TP-Link TL-R402M based on features, price, and reviews--currently
$17 at Newegg.  I've long since replaced the switch and print server
functions of the SMC with other products, and I already have a POE
wireless AP, so there's no reason to spend a lot on a replacement
router.  I'll miss the remote syslog facility of the SMC, but that one
feature isn't worth the ~3x greater price of the next cheapest unit that
offers it.

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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-05 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/4/2013 2:26 PM, s0lid wrote:

 No internet because i cant go pass through the gateway, No access with
 the router at all even i do nmap.  I changed it to .254 but still same
 issue.

Some of these OEM telco Zyxel units have a fixed limit on the number of
LAN hosts they will allow.  The first Zyxel/Embarq unit my folks had, a
4xx series IIRC, only allowed one LAN host.  IIRC this is enforced by
MAC address.

Read all the documentation provided by your telco.  You may have hit
such a limitation.  Again, bridge mode and a consumer router fixes this,
and other problems related to the telco/OEM modem/routers.

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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-04 Thread s0lid
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:

 s0lid wrote:
  ---from debian server---
  root@debian:~# ping 192.168.1.1
  PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
 
  PING 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
  64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=40.5 ms
  64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=1.96 ms
  64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=2.08 ms
  ^C
  --- 192.168.1.2 ping statistics ---
  3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2003ms
  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.967/14.861/40.532/18.152 ms

 How did it move from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.2?  Did your machine
 receive an ICMP redirect packet from the router?

Apologies i forgot to include the  # ping 192.168.1.2 when copy and
pasting the ping result.



 Please try again with 'ping -v' and post the output.  It might show an
 ICMP redirect being received.

same thing jus tthis.

root@debian:~# ping 192.168.1.1
PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.




 I would run 'tcpdump -lni any' on both machines and look for the
 disconnect.  If it is a noisy network then filter with 'host W.X.Y.Z'
 with the address of your client machine.

   tcpdump -lni any host W.X.Y.Z


i got this from tcpdump while pinging my gateway

14:06:31.172753 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.106, length 28
14:06:31.173851 ARP, Reply 192.168.1.1 is-at 40:4a:03:d6:ac:a9, length 46
14:06:50.602659 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
2563, seq 1, length 64
14:06:51.611094 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
2563, seq 2, length 64
14:06:52.620045 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
2563, seq 3, length 64
14:06:53.626974 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
2563, seq 4, length 64


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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-04 Thread Arun Khan
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM, s0lid s0lid101...@gmail.com wrote:
 i got this from tcpdump while pinging my gateway

 14:06:31.172753 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.106, length 28
 14:06:31.173851 ARP, Reply 192.168.1.1 is-at 40:4a:03:d6:ac:a9, length 46
 14:06:50.602659 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
 2563, seq 1, length 64
 14:06:51.611094 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
 2563, seq 2, length 64
 14:06:52.620045 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
 2563, seq 3, length 64
 14:06:53.626974 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
 2563, seq 4, length 64

Check if netmask is setup correctly in the server config (/sbin/ifconfig eth1).

Can you do a static IP config for the server and check?

Any firewall rules in your gateway, to trap ping requests from a sub
net?  (a shot in the dark).

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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-04 Thread s0lid
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM, s0lid s0lid101...@gmail.com wrote:
 i got this from tcpdump while pinging my gateway

 14:06:31.172753 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.106, length 
 28
 14:06:31.173851 ARP, Reply 192.168.1.1 is-at 40:4a:03:d6:ac:a9, length 46
 14:06:50.602659 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
 2563, seq 1, length 64
 14:06:51.611094 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
 2563, seq 2, length 64
 14:06:52.620045 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
 2563, seq 3, length 64
 14:06:53.626974 IP 192.168.1.106  192.168.1.1: ICMP echo request, id
 2563, seq 4, length 64

 Check if netmask is setup correctly in the server config (/sbin/ifconfig 
 eth1).

netmask looks fine

root@debian:~# ifconfig eth1
eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 08:00:27:59:31:76
  inet addr:192.168.1.106  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::a00:27ff:fe59:3176/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:63 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:103 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:9615 (9.3 KiB)  TX bytes:10143 (9.9 KiB)



 Can you do a static IP config for the server and check?

Yes, same result with static.


 Any firewall rules in your gateway, to trap ping requests from a sub
 net?  (a shot in the dark).

no firewall running

root@debian:~# iptables -L
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination
root@debian:~#


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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/4/2013 3:32 AM, s0lid wrote:
 On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you do a static IP config for the server and check?
 
 Yes, same result with static.
 

 Any firewall rules in your gateway, to trap ping requests from a sub
 net?  (a shot in the dark).
 
 no firewall running

Ping the Debian 607 server from the router.  Result?

BTW, which consumer router is this?  You may have hit a firmware bug.

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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-04 Thread s0lid
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
 On 5/4/2013 3:32 AM, s0lid wrote:
 On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you do a static IP config for the server and check?

 Yes, same result with static.


 Any firewall rules in your gateway, to trap ping requests from a sub
 net?  (a shot in the dark).

 no firewall running

 Ping the Debian 607 server from the router.  Result?

It can. I also can access it from my laptop going to the same router.


 BTW, which consumer router is this?  You may have hit a firmware bug.

i have a hunch it is, i just don't have another router to test on.
This is a Zyxel whitelabeled to my telco so the firmware is custom
made for my telco also.


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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-04 Thread Guido Martínez
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, s0lid s0lid101...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ping the Debian 607 server from the router.  Result?

 It can. I also can access it from my laptop going to the same router.


 BTW, which consumer router is this?  You may have hit a firmware bug.

 i have a hunch it is, i just don't have another router to test on.
 This is a Zyxel whitelabeled to my telco so the firmware is custom
 made for my telco also.


To narrow things down, I'd like to ask three questions. Do you have
internet access from the server? Can you access the http or some other
service installed in the router? and what if you change your server IP
to 192.168.1.2, does that make a difference?

Guido


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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-04 Thread s0lid
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Guido Martínez mtzgu...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, s0lid s0lid101...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ping the Debian 607 server from the router.  Result?

 It can. I also can access it from my laptop going to the same router.


 BTW, which consumer router is this?  You may have hit a firmware bug.

 i have a hunch it is, i just don't have another router to test on.
 This is a Zyxel whitelabeled to my telco so the firmware is custom
 made for my telco also.


 To narrow things down, I'd like to ask three questions. Do you have
 internet access from the server? Can you access the http or some other
 service installed in the router? and what if you change your server IP
 to 192.168.1.2, does that make a difference?

No internet because i cant go pass through the gateway, No access with
the router at all even i do nmap.  I changed it to .254 but still same
issue.


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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-04 Thread Guido Martínez
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM, s0lid s0lid101...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Guido Martínez mtzgu...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM, s0lid s0lid101...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ping the Debian 607 server from the router.  Result?

 It can. I also can access it from my laptop going to the same router.


 BTW, which consumer router is this?  You may have hit a firmware bug.

 i have a hunch it is, i just don't have another router to test on.
 This is a Zyxel whitelabeled to my telco so the firmware is custom
 made for my telco also.


 To narrow things down, I'd like to ask three questions. Do you have
 internet access from the server? Can you access the http or some other
 service installed in the router? and what if you change your server IP
 to 192.168.1.2, does that make a difference?

 No internet because i cant go pass through the gateway, No access with
 the router at all even i do nmap.  I changed it to .254 but still same
 issue.

Oh, I thought it was just a 'ping' issue, not connectivity. It's
probably a bug on the router side, then. You could try faking your
server MAC, and see if it makes a difference, but I have no idea how
to do that.

Hope to help,
Guido.


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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-03 Thread Bob Proulx
s0lid wrote:
 ---from debian server---
 root@debian:~# ping 192.168.1.1
 PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
 
 PING 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=40.5 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=1.96 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=2.08 ms
 ^C
 --- 192.168.1.2 ping statistics ---
 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2003ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.967/14.861/40.532/18.152 ms

How did it move from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.2?  Did your machine
receive an ICMP redirect packet from the router?

Please try again with 'ping -v' and post the output.  It might show an
ICMP redirect being received.

I would run 'tcpdump -lni any' on both machines and look for the
disconnect.  If it is a noisy network then filter with 'host W.X.Y.Z'
with the address of your client machine.

  tcpdump -lni any host W.X.Y.Z

Or use the wireshark GUI around tcpdump if you prefer.

Bob


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Re: Can't access gateway IP

2013-05-03 Thread Guido Martínez
Hi all,

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
 s0lid wrote:
 ---from debian server---
 root@debian:~# ping 192.168.1.1
 PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.

 PING 192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=40.5 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=1.96 ms
 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=2.08 ms
 ^C
 --- 192.168.1.2 ping statistics ---
 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2003ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.967/14.861/40.532/18.152 ms

 How did it move from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.2?  Did your machine
 receive an ICMP redirect packet from the router?


I think that's his laptop he's pinging, to show us that he has
connectivity. He probably forgot to include the prompt line.

I agree with using wireshark. It should provide valuable info.

Guido


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