Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-12-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-11-25 16:05:59, schrieb Paul Chiorean:
 A very nice, lightweight and fast file manager is Gentoo File Manager
 (http://obsession.se/gentoo/). I'll just quote from the main page:
 
 gentoo is a modern, powerful, flexible, and utterly configurable file
 manager for UNIX systems, written using the GTK+ 1.2.x toolkit. It aims to
  ^^
Which let you run into troubles if you use UTF8/Unicode.
Under de_DE.UTF it is heavily cribled.  Same for fa_IR.UTF8.

So it is only usefull if you use iso-8859-1 or iso-8859-15.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-12-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-11-25 16:58:22, schrieb Carl Fink:
 Well, xfe is small, light, and remarkably (consciously) like Windows
 Explorer.
 
 I find it clunky in many spots, but then I only want a graphical FM once a
 year or so.  At that pace I'm just not willing to learn a new interface.

Unfortunatly it does not support UTF8/Unicode locales.
It cribbles all outputs and the interface renders very ugly...

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-12-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-11-25 13:05:00, schrieb Ron Johnson:
 apt-cache is your friend.
 
 $ apt-cache search file manager | grep [Ff]ile [Mm]anager | sort

What about:  apt-cache search file manager | grep -i File Manager | sort

:-)

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-27 Thread Haines Brown
I've been looking at FileManagers, and it seems there's some tendency
to rely on two applications, a text-based file manager for daily use
and a GUI application for special purposes. While a purist will insist
on managing files from a terminal, I've never found that to be
practical. 

For a GUI file manager, the one named thumar is often
praised. Midnight Commander (mc) works both text-based and GUI
interface, and I've used FileRunner for years. In none of these cases
do you need a desktop environment.

As for text-based applications, there is clex and MC, but I've been
looking at putting emacs into a file manager mode. Here there seem to
be three choices: a) Norton Commander (nc.el, which uses MC commands),
Evening Commander (ec.el, which is less complete), and Sunrise
Commander (sunrise-commander.el, which is based on dired
commands). You can even run these emacs modes from a console, as far
as I know, which for me is a big advantage (independent of the X
windows system).
 
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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-27 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks for your advice!
I have tried and been disappointed by gentoo.
I have used File Runner before. It's not as intuitive as Explorer of
Windows.

To me, any interface that's different from Explorer will make me
uncomfortable.

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 I've been looking at FileManagers, and it seems there's some tendency
 to rely on two applications, a text-based file manager for daily use
 and a GUI application for special purposes. While a purist will
 insist
 on managing files from a terminal, I've never found that to be
 practical. 
 
 For a GUI file manager, the one named thumar is often
 praised. Midnight Commander (mc) works both text-based and GUI
 interface, and I've used FileRunner for years. In none of these cases
 do you need a desktop environment.
 
 As for text-based applications, there is clex and MC, but I've been
 looking at putting emacs into a file manager mode. Here there seem to
 be three choices: a) Norton Commander (nc.el, which uses MC
 commands),
 Evening Commander (ec.el, which is less complete), and Sunrise
 Commander (sunrise-commander.el, which is based on dired
 commands). You can even run these emacs modes from a console, as far
 as I know, which for me is a big advantage (independent of the X
 windows system).
  
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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-27 Thread Jochen Schulz
Serena Cantor:
 
 To me, any interface that's different from Explorer will make me
 uncomfortable.

Then you won't like any file manager except Explorer.

I wasted a lot of time searching for a drop-in replacement for Windows
Explorer as well. Get used to it, there is no clone. And once you are
accustomed to another file manager (or just the shell, like me), you
won't miss it.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:47:19PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
 Serena Cantor:
  
  To me, any interface that's different from Explorer will make me
  uncomfortable.
 
 Then you won't like any file manager except Explorer.
 
 I wasted a lot of time searching for a drop-in replacement for Windows
 Explorer as well. Get used to it, there is no clone. And once you are
 accustomed to another file manager (or just the shell, like me), you
 won't miss it.

My first file manager was Norton Commander (the original). When the 
first Explorer appeared (in Windows 95) I hated it so I started looking 
for alternatives. Former Windows Commander now Total Commander was the 
only one to work the way I wanted. On Linux I use MC and tried various 
file managers that come close to TC. I like Krusader (though a bit slow) 
and Xfe (has some troubles on drag-and-drop to audacious).

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-27 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 11/27/07 07:20, Serena Cantor wrote:
 Thanks for your advice!
 I have tried and been disappointed by gentoo.
 I have used File Runner before. It's not as intuitive as Explorer of
 Windows.

You might like xfe.

 To me, any interface that's different from Explorer will make me
 uncomfortable.

Not to be rude, but: if you can't adapt to anything new, go back to
MS Windows.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-26 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Nate Bargmann wrote:

* Sjoerd Hiemstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Nov 25 06:57 -0600]:

Serena Cantor wrote:

I have used Linux for 8 years.
I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based
on KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my
life can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch.


I have used Midnight Commander for many years.  It's a character mode
program and is just as useful at the console as in an Xterm.  Frankly,
it is my file manager of choice.



I second that.

Hugo


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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-26 Thread Preston Boyington
Serena Cantor wrote:
 I have used Linux for 8 years.
 I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
 I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based
 on KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my
 life can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch.

ROX
Thunar
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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-26 Thread Sebastian Tennant
This may be overkill, but you'll never look back if you overcome the
supposedly steep learing curve...

 Emacs

Sebastian




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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Chris G
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:10:06AM -0800, Serena Cantor wrote:
 I have used Linux for 8 years.
 I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
 I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based on KDE 
 or GNOME
 I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my life can be a little 
 easier.
 I use sarge and etch.
 
You sound like me to an extent.  I run lots of command line under
fvwm2.  However I do have Gnome libraries installed as there are a
number of Gnome applications that I use, thus if I need a file manager
I use Nautilus.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Joe Masters
On 03:10 Sun 25 Nov , Serena Cantor wrote:
 I have used Linux for 8 years.
 I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
 I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based on KDE 
 or GNOME
 I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my life can be a little 
 easier.
 I use sarge and etch.
 
 
Try gentoo. (Not the distro) Highly configurable and fast.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Sjoerd Hiemstra
Serena Cantor wrote:
 I have used Linux for 8 years.
 I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
 I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based
 on KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my
 life can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch.

I've used FileRunner for years. Based on Tcl/Tk. Not unnecessarily
complicated, fits nicely into any WM (Blackbox/Fluxbox here).
It's in the Debian repositories.
Homepage:  http://www.cd.chalmers.se/~hch/filerunner.html


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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Serena Cantor
Thank Paul Cartwright,  Joe Masters, and Chris G!!

I am quite comfortable with Explorer in Windows.
I'll prefer Explorer-style file manager for Linux.

I'more interested in the other question I raise.
It's about very strange problem with firefox.
My faith  with Linux nearly shake by it. 





--- Chris G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:10:06AM -0800, Serena Cantor wrote:
  I have used Linux for 8 years.
  I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
  I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based on KDE 
  or GNOME
  I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my life can be a little 
  easier.
  I use sarge and etch.
  
 You sound like me to an extent.  I run lots of command line under
 fvwm2.  However I do have Gnome libraries installed as there are a
 number of Gnome applications that I use, thus if I need a file manager
 I use Nautilus.
 
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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Sjoerd Hiemstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Nov 25 06:57 -0600]:
 Serena Cantor wrote:
  I have used Linux for 8 years.
  I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
  I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based
  on KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my
  life can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch.

I have used Midnight Commander for many years.  It's a character mode
program and is just as useful at the console as in an Xterm.  Frankly,
it is my file manager of choice.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Paul Chiorean
On 1:10:06 pm 25/11/2007 Serena Cantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have used Linux for 8 years.
 I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
 I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based on
 KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my life
 can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch.

A very nice, lightweight and fast file manager is Gentoo File Manager
(http://obsession.se/gentoo/). I'll just quote from the main page:

gentoo is a modern, powerful, flexible, and utterly configurable file
manager for UNIX systems, written using the GTK+ 1.2.x toolkit. It aims to
be 100% graphically configurable; there's no need to edit config files by
hand and then restart the application. gentoo is somewhat inspired in its
look  feel by the classic Amiga program DirectoryOpus 4  (by GP Software),
but is not  a clone. gentoo has been successfully tested on a variety of
platforms, including Linux (x86, Alpha, and PS2/MIPS), Solaris, FreeBSD,
NetBSD and OpenBSD.

I know you said no KDE or Gnome, but it only requires GTK+ 1.2.x, no WM
dependency.

Other than that, Midnight Commander is an excellent choice.


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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Patricia Fraser
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Hi Serena,

 I have used Linux for 8 years.
 I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
 I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based
 on KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my
 life can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch.

Have you tried rox? apt-get install rox-filer will install it for you.
It's not exactly like Windows Explorer, but it's lightweight and very
good.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Michael Pobega
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On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 03:10:06AM -0800, Serena Cantor wrote:
 I have used Linux for 8 years.
 I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
 I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based on KDE 
 or GNOME
 I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my life can be a little 
 easier.
 I use sarge and etch.
 
 

When I used to use GUIs (I am strictly console-only nowadays) I would
only touch pcmanfm for my file management needs. It's a very
lightweight, fast, GTK-powered Nautilus clone (Or at least it felt like
one to me). 

It's one of those packages that really doesn't get too much attention,
but definitely should; I found it to be a lot more usable than Rox or
Midnight Commander.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Mark Grieveson
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:51:20 + (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have used Linux for 8 years.
  I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
  I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM
  based on KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI
  FM so my life can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch.

 You sound like me to an extent.  I run lots of command line under
 fvwm2.  However I do have Gnome libraries installed as there are a
 number of Gnome applications that I use, thus if I need a file manager
 I use Nautilus.

There's clex, vfu, and vifm, for command line.  Clex is my favourite of
these three.  It's simple, and does what I need.  

A graphical file manager that's good, and not reliant upon gnome or kde
libraries, is emelfm.

Mark


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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 11/25/07 05:10, Serena Cantor wrote:
 I have used Linux for 8 years. I have not found any suitable file
 manager(FM). I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't
 recommend any FM based on KDE or GNOME I still use command line.
 I will prefer GUI FM so my life can be a little easier. I use
 sarge and etch.

apt-cache is your friend.

$ apt-cache search file manager | grep [Ff]ile [Mm]anager | sort
bsc - graphical file manager with two panels
clex - command line file manager which uses the ncurses library
d3lphin - File manager for KDE focusing on usability
diff-ext - File manager context menu extension to launch comparison
tools
dolphin - file manager for KDE focusing on usability
ede - File manager / Makefile generator for Emacsen
egroupware-filemanager - eGroupWare file manager application
emelfm - file manager for X/gtk
fdclone - A console-base lightweight file manager
filerunner - X-Based FTP program  file manager
gentoo - a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager
gnome-commander - nice and fast file manager for the GNOME desktop
gollem - file manager component for horde framework
gpe-filemanager - file manager for GPE
konqueror - KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer
krusader - twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and
other desktops)
lfm - a simple but powerful file manager for the UNIX console
linm - The famous file manager from the MS-DOS age
mc - midnight commander - a powerful file manager
moto4lin - file manager and seem editor for Motorola phones (like
C380/C650)
nautilus - file manager and graphical shell for GNOME
nautilus-dbg - file manager and graphical shell for GNOME -
debugging version
nautilus-sendto - integrates Evolution and Pidgin into the Nautilus
file manager
pcmanfm - an extremely fast and lightweight file manager for X
pcmanfm-nohal - an extremely fast and lightweight file manager for X
rox-filer - A simple graphical file manager for X11
thunar - File Manager for Xfce
thunar-archive-plugin - Archive plugin for Thunar file manager
thunar-media-tags-plugin - Media tags plugin for Thunar file manager
thunar-thumbnailers - thumbnailers for Thunar file manager
tkdesk - Tk/tcl based X11 Desktop/File manager
vifm - a ncurses based file manager with vi like keybindings
worker - highly configurable two-paned file manager for X
xfe - lightweight file manager for X11
ytree - A file manager for terminals


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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Mark Grieveson
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:31:07 + (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have used Linux for 8 years.
  I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
  I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM
  based on KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI
  FM so my life can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch.
  

 
 When I used to use GUIs (I am strictly console-only nowadays) I would
 only touch pcmanfm for my file management needs. It's a very
 lightweight, fast, GTK-powered Nautilus clone (Or at least it felt
 like one to me). 
 
 It's one of those packages that really doesn't get too much attention,
 but definitely should; I found it to be a lot more usable than Rox or
 Midnight Commander.

Thunar is also a great alternative.  I'm not sure if it requires gnome
libraries to run, though (I use fluxbox, but I have gnome as an
option).  It's meant for xfce, but also works on fluxbox, and
twm.  So, I assume that gnome libraries would not be required for
thunar.

With brasero, the disc burning application, you can have disc
burning of iso files via a simple right-click, similar to nautilus (or
pcmanfm).  I find thunar a bit faster, on my system anyway, than
pcmanfm.

Mark


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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:10:06 -0800 (PST)
Serena Cantor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have used Linux for 8 years.
 I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
 I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based on KDE
 or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my life can be a
 little easier. I use sarge and etch.
 

rox-filer or thunar (from xfce4) are not bad, personally I use thunar quite a
bit lately.

 
   
 
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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Joe Masters
On 13:05 Sun 25 Nov , Ron Johnson wrote:
 apt-cache is your friend.
 
Agreed, but sometimes you need personal recommendations to narrow down
the field.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Carl Fink
Well, xfe is small, light, and remarkably (consciously) like Windows
Explorer.

I find it clunky in many spots, but then I only want a graphical FM once a
year or so.  At that pace I'm just not willing to learn a new interface.
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(solved)Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Serena Cantor
Thanks to all those who reply! 
I have received so many replies I can't respond one by one.
I will try gentoo.

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 On 13:05 Sun 25 Nov , Ron Johnson wrote:
  apt-cache is your friend.
  
 Agreed, but sometimes you need personal recommendations to narrow down
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Re: (solved)Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 11/25/07 16:54, Serena Cantor wrote:
 Thanks to all those who reply! 
 I have received so many replies I can't respond one by one.
 I will try gentoo.

Big drawback to gentoo: it still uses Gtk+ 1.2.

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Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?

2007-11-25 Thread Charlie
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Serena Cantor shared this with us all:
--} I have used Linux for 8 years.
--} I have not found any suitable file manager(FM).
--} I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based on
 KDE or GNOME --} I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my life
 can be a little easier. --} I use sarge and etch.
--}

Rox-filer is good.
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