Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread David Fox
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Raquel  wrote:

> I've returned the Zen to Amazon and ordered an iPod.  Thanks to
> everyone who tried to help.  It may sound silly, but after spending
> much of the day on this I'm just not up to the hassle.

Sorry to hear about that. I hope the ipod works better. For what it is
worth, and if you are looking for an inexpensive mp3 player that "just
works" in Linux check out the M620 from Ivo Sound. I got it at Fry's
here locally (Campbell CA) and for $40 (well that's $10 off) it's a
very versatile mp3 player that plays AMV format video as well, and
just mounts as a drive under Linux so I can just use drag & drop to
transfer files over. It's also 4GB. For $40, it's not a bad deal,
compared to what just 1gb mp3 players were a scant few years ago.

A few drawbacks - the screen is kind of smallish for video, but the
files are still watchable on the screen, and amv video can be
transcoded from avi's with ffmpeg - i've done it a few times. I'm not
sure if the player is at fault, but folders (music albums) when
transferred over to the device, the songs are usually out of order.
Sometimes that's not a big deal, and other times it is (like trying to
listen to the Who's Tommy in "shuffle play" mode - that's just not
right! :)


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Raquel
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:26:54 +
David Watson  wrote:

> Raquel wrote:
> > I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and
> > I'm trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
> > charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
> > player.
> > 
> > I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the
> > player. Anyone have an idea about this?
> > 
> 
> Make sure you have activated the mtp plugins in your media player
> ( I know amarok has one )
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Watson - Debian GNU/Linux Developer

Not with Etch.

I've returned the Zen to Amazon and ordered an iPod.  Thanks to
everyone who tried to help.  It may sound silly, but after spending
much of the day on this I'm just not up to the hassle.

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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread David Watson
Raquel wrote:
> I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
> trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
> charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
> player.
> 
> I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
> Anyone have an idea about this?
> 

Make sure you have activated the mtp plugins in your media player ( I
know amarok has one )


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Raquel
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:15:29 -0600
Hugo Vanwoerkom  wrote:

> Raquel wrote:
> > I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and
> > I'm trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
> > charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
> > player.
> > 
> > I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the
> > player. Anyone have an idea about this?
> > 
> 
> Show us the syslog messages when you insert the player.
> 
> Hugo
> 
> 

Here's the syslog output when I plugin the player:
Dec 20 13:07:29 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device
using uhci_hcd and address 6 
Dec 20 13:07:29 localhost kernel: usb
2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice W

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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Rainer Kluge

Raquel schrieb:

I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
player.

I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
Anyone have an idea about this?



Some players work in different modes: MTP, USB; and MTP is the default. 
You have to put it in USB mode manually in the configuration menu and it 
will be recognized as an USB device by Linux.



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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Saturday 20 December 2008 10:56:10 Raquel wrote:
> I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
> trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
> charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
> player.
>
> I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
> Anyone have an idea about this?
>
> --
> Raquel
> http://www.byraquel.com
> 
> Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and
> children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt,
> tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
> towards uniformity. What has been the effects of coercion? To make
> one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
>
>   --Thomas Jefferson

I have a Zen Stone 2G mp3 player.  It just works in Debian Testing.  Plug it 
in and an icon is made on the desktop in the same way as a usb disk or cd.  
On my box, Rhythmbox opens up as well.  So:  I can use Rhythmbox to listen to 
my music or a file browser/cli to move recordings to it.

Running Gnome/XFCE4 on testing.
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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Teemu Likonen
Raquel (2008-12-20 08:27 -0800) wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:17:16 -0800 "David Fox"  wrote:
>> A bit of googling turns up some links - install libmtp, and then you
>> can use command line tools in that package to send files and/or sync
>> your player. You can also get Amarok to recognize the player as well
>> using that method, for a little bit better syncing experience.

> Hm, I can't find libmtp in Etch.

Amarok in Lenny depends on libmtp7 package so I guess in Lenny it would
work out-of-the-box. You could load the source package of amarok (and
its build dependencies which don't exist in Etch) from Debian Lenny and
then compile it in your Etch system.


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread David Fox
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Raquel  wrote:

> Hm, I can't find libmtp in Etch.

$ aptitude show mtp-tools to see if it is there and then install it,
that should do what you want.

But I remember running it on Etch when Etch was still in testing, then
I switched over to lenny in April 2007.

There seems to be some discussion here[0] about amarok on etch that
may be of interest. It mentions unavailability of libmtp-dev on Etch,
though. I can't remember if I was able to sync my Iriver T30 with
amarok during the time I was running Etch, but maybe in Lenny, so you
might try when Lenny goes stable to use amarok to sync the player,
otherwise you should be able to get by with the tools in the mtp-tools
package. It's a bit clunky, but it works.

[0] http://fixunix.com/debian/336613-amarok-etch.html


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Raquel
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:17:16 -0800
"David Fox"  wrote:

> You might have a player that uses the mtp (Microsoft Transport
> Protocol) to transfer files rather than one that automatically
> mounts as a filesystem.
> 
> A bit of googling turns up some links - install libmtp, and then you
> can use command line tools in that package to send files and/or sync
> your player. You can also get Amarok to recognize the player as well
> using that method, for a little bit better syncing experience.
> 
> See for instance http://www.funzt.info/?p=121
> 
> Also here: (and my post from Oct 2007 is there:
> 
> http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11395
> 
> 
> I used to have an Iriver T30 (it stopped working) that used the same
> interface (using lenny).
> 
> 
> There is some indication that gnomad2 might work, but I don't have
> a Zen.

Hm, I can't find libmtp in Etch.

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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread David Fox
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Raquel  wrote:
> I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
> trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
> charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
> player.

You might have a player that uses the mtp (Microsoft Transport
Protocol) to transfer files rather than one that automatically mounts
as a filesystem.

A bit of googling turns up some links - install libmtp, and then you
can use command line tools in that package to send files and/or sync
your player. You can also get Amarok to recognize the player as well
using that method, for a little bit better syncing experience.

See for instance http://www.funzt.info/?p=121

Also here: (and my post from Oct 2007 is there:

http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11395


I used to have an Iriver T30 (it stopped working) that used the same
interface (using lenny).


There is some indication that gnomad2 might work, but I don't have a Zen.


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Raquel wrote:

I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
player.

I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
Anyone have an idea about this?



Show us the syslog messages when you insert the player.

Hugo


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