Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 12:21 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote
 I am using Debian on this EEE pc for a long time
 (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC). It is a Lenny,
 w. 2.6.26-2-686. Everything is pretty fine, but, as my scr. resolution
 has only a max. of 1024 x 600 (as I am using a 1000 HE), some of the
 windows are sometimes too big for my screen, and the buttons are
 consequently out of sight. The problem is that these windows seem to
 be unresizeable.
snip

Here's a tip I read somewhere when I started using my EEE...

You can drag any (non-maximised) window around by clicking on it
anywhere with the left mouse button whilst holding down the Alt key.
That way, you can move it up/left until you see the things you want
access to.

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Monday 01 February 2010 12:21:12 Merciadri Luca wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I am using Debian on this EEE pc for a long time
 (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC). It is a Lenny,
 w. 2.6.26-2-686. Everything is pretty fine, but, as my scr. resolution
 has only a max. of 1024 x 600 (as I am using a 1000 HE), some of the
 windows are sometimes too big for my screen, and the buttons are
 consequently out of sight. The problem is that these windows seem to
 be unresizeable. Consequently, either I need to keep in mind where the
 `Confirm' (or `OK') button is, or I need to check on another computer,
 to see the order of these buttons. Once it is done, I am able to
 confirm using the tab key, to go from one clickable to another one.
 
 How can I resize these windows? (They seem to be at their minimal
 size.)
 
 Thanks!
 
Which window manager are you using?
Thierry


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr writes:

 Which window manager are you using?

I am using X (GNOME).
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Tixy debianu...@tixy.myzen.co.uk writes:

 On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 12:21 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote
 I am using Debian on this EEE pc for a long time
 (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC). It is a Lenny,
 w. 2.6.26-2-686. Everything is pretty fine, but, as my scr. resolution
 has only a max. of 1024 x 600 (as I am using a 1000 HE), some of the
 windows are sometimes too big for my screen, and the buttons are
 consequently out of sight. The problem is that these windows seem to
 be unresizeable.
 snip

 Here's a tip I read somewhere when I started using my EEE...

 You can drag any (non-maximised) window around by clicking on it
 anywhere with the left mouse button whilst holding down the Alt key.
 That way, you can move it up/left until you see the things you want
 access to.
For sure. I knew this, but, if the windows is too big (because of the
text it contains), moving it this way (or with other shortcuts) only
causes it to move horizontally, and not vertically(!)

All my tasksbars are also masked, to have more free space on my
screen, but it does not prevent these buttons from being sometimes
``too lowly'' or ``too highly'' placed on the screen.

This problem is only illustrated when I am facing a long window (it
happens unfortunately more often than you may imagine). In this case,
even a printscreen does not give me the buttons (eh, I tried making a
printscreen of the window, opening the image, and scrolling down, to
see the buttons, but the printscreen's image stops where the window
stops on my screen, unfortunately).

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Monday 01 February 2010 13:53:46 Merciadri Luca wrote:
 Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr writes:
  Which window manager are you using?
 
 I am using X (GNOME).
 

Well, I am using kde, but you must have similar feature in gnome: so, in kde:
Click on the icon on the left of the window's title bar -Advence - Special 
Window setting, and adjust the size of your window there.
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Klistvud

Dne, 01. 02. 2010 13:52:55 je Merciadri Luca napisal(a):


This problem is only illustrated when I am facing a long window (it
happens unfortunately more often than you may imagine). In this case,
even a printscreen does not give me the buttons (eh, I tried making a
printscreen of the window, opening the image, and scrolling down, to
see the buttons, but the printscreen's image stops where the window
stops on my screen, unfortunately).



Devilspie might help you out if you're willing to give it a try (and if  
it works under your particular window manager). It's a utility to  
resize/reposition windows as soon as they are created.


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr writes:

 Well, I am using kde, but you must have similar feature in gnome: so, in kde:
 Click on the icon on the left of the window's title bar -Advence - Special 
 Window setting, and adjust the size of your window there.

Hmm, I used to use KDE a long time ago, and, effectively, it has this
feature. I looked here, but GNOME does not seem to have this
specificity.

To be sure that my situation is well understood, here is a screenshot:
http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FMP.png. You may
notice that buttons from the bottom are not shown, simply because the
window does not fit the screen. Most of windows are okay, but not this
one, for example.

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:53:46 -0500 (EST), Merciadri Luca wrote:
 Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr writes:
 Which window manager are you using?

 I am using X (GNOME).

I'm not trying to split hairs here; but strictly speaking, GNOME is
a *session* manager, not a *window* manager.  The default *window*
manager in the GNOME environment is metacity.  It is possible to
use metacity without using GNOME.  I don't recommend it, but it
is possible.

Unfortunately, this does nothing to help you with your problem.  :-(


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr writes:

 Devilspie might help you out if you're willing to give it a try (and if  
 it works under your particular window manager). It's a utility to  
 resize/reposition windows as soon as they are created.

Thanks for the pointer. I had absolutely no knowledge of the existence
of such a program. It looks pretty nice, but, according to many
tutorials I have quickly read, it will not help me, as it can, among
other things, put windows at given coordinates, minimize, fullscreen,
center, etc.

One point which is clear is that the window on the PNG screenshot is
already minimized. Consequently, it cannot be displayed smaller (as
some text would be missing, except if there exists a magic program
which can also resize the text [negligible], buttons, and other stuff
[not negligible] composing the window, thus making it smaller),
whatever the program it is done with.

The best thing which could be done by this program would be to make it
appear fullscreen (but not very practical) [(fullscreen)], and to
remove unuseful stuff ([undecorate]). Coupling these two things could
help the content of the window to take less place, consequently
showing buttons, and I shall use this solution if no other one is found.

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 13:52 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:
 Tixy debianu...@tixy.myzen.co.uk writes:
snip
  You can drag any (non-maximised) window around by clicking on it
  anywhere with the left mouse button whilst holding down the Alt key.
  That way, you can move it up/left until you see the things you want
  access to.
 For sure. I knew this, but, if the windows is too big (because of the
 text it contains), moving it this way (or with other shortcuts) only
 causes it to move horizontally, and not vertically(!)
snip

I can move windows vertically too - that's what I do to get to menu
buttons on my EEEPC 1000HE running Debian Squeeze with the Gnome
Desktop. (I'm sure it was the same when I ran Lenny.)

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:21:12 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:

 I am using Debian on this EEE pc for a long time
 (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC). It is a Lenny, w. 2.6.26-2-686.
 Everything is pretty fine, but, as my scr. resolution has only a max. of
 1024 x 600 (as I am using a 1000 HE), some of the windows are sometimes
 too big for my screen, and the buttons are consequently out of sight.

Some hints:

1/ Try by setting font dpi at a lower value (86dpi)
2/ Try by using a smaller text size (8pt)
3/ Try by using smaller buttons and menu bars in the current theme (16px)

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr writes:

 Devilspie might help you out if you're willing to give it a try (and if  
 it works under your particular window manager). It's a utility to  
 resize/reposition windows as soon as they are created.

Okay, I played around with devilspie, and, using

==
(debug)
(undecorate)
==

in `all.ds', and executing `devilspie -d' displayed the names of the
windows, and undecorated all of them, as expected. Let's now
reconsider the previous windows I was speaking about. Here is a new
screenshot of it:
http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FPM2.png. You may
notice that the button now appears correctly. However, I think that it
is not possible to configure devilpsie so that every window which has
an overall height bigger than a given threshold (i.e. height 
threshold) looses its decorations (i.e. (undecorate) is applied to
it).
Is it possible?

And if the window is too big, even devilspie's trick will not be
useful anymore. It is likely to be the case in some windows. In these
cases, what should I do?

Thanks.

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Tixy debianu...@tixy.myzen.co.uk writes:


 I can move windows vertically too - that's what I do to get to menu
 buttons on my EEEPC 1000HE running Debian Squeeze with the Gnome
 Desktop. (I'm sure it was the same when I ran Lenny.)
For sure, me too, but only when they have already been resized, at
least to some extent so that their overall size is alpha * beta, where
alpha  1, and beta is their original size, i.e. iff they have been
resized positively (i.e. augmented). But if they are already
minimized, it appears to me to be impossible to reduce them further. 
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:

 I'm not trying to split hairs here; but strictly speaking, GNOME is
 a *session* manager, not a *window* manager.  The default *window*
 manager in the GNOME environment is metacity.  It is possible to
 use metacity without using GNOME.  I don't recommend it, but it
 is possible.

 Unfortunately, this does nothing to help you with your problem.  :-(
Sorry, this was a fact I should have mentioned, but metacity is
effictively clearly related to GNOME. Anyway, devilspie is an
excellent program for GNOME, as it is, AFAIK, conceived for Metacity.

Thanks for pointing this out.
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 Some hints:

 1/ Try by setting font dpi at a lower value (86dpi)
 2/ Try by using a smaller text size (8pt)
 3/ Try by using smaller buttons and menu bars in the current theme (16px)
Okay. My eyes will take a blow, but it is now really nice: the
windows' buttons are correctly displayed!

Thanks, I will stick with this. (There is actually no other solution,
and when one buys a netbook with a small resolution, one should assume it.)

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Klistvud

Dne, 01. 02. 2010 15:38:26 je Merciadri Luca napisal(a):

Here is a new
screenshot of it:
http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FPM2.png.


Unfortunately, your link gives me a PAGE NOT FOUND error ...


You may
notice that the button now appears correctly. However, I think that it
is not possible to configure devilpsie so that every window which has
an overall height bigger than a given threshold (i.e. height 
threshold) looses its decorations (i.e. (undecorate) is applied to
it).
Is it possible?


I doubt it. In Devilspie, you may reference windows by their name,  
program name, PID and so on, but I don't think you can reference them  
by window size.




And if the window is too big, even devilspie's trick will not be
useful anymore. It is likely to be the case in some windows. In these
cases, what should I do?


Perhaps the wintype argument might help you. The only way to know  
that, however, would be by experimenting. Maybe there are some window  
types that can override fixed-size windows?



Thanks.


You're welcome. I wish I could be of more help, but I am just an  
ordinary user of Devilspie (not even what you could call a power user  
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Klistvud quotati...@aliceadsl.fr writes:

 Dne, 01. 02. 2010 15:38:26 je Merciadri Luca napisal(a):
 Here is a new
 screenshot of it:
 http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FPM2.png.

 Unfortunately, your link gives me a PAGE NOT FOUND error ...
Sorry, it was
http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/FMP2.png.

 You may
 notice that the button now appears correctly. However, I think that it
 is not possible to configure devilpsie so that every window which has
 an overall height bigger than a given threshold (i.e. height 
 threshold) looses its decorations (i.e. (undecorate) is applied to
 it).
 Is it possible?

 I doubt it. In Devilspie, you may reference windows by their name,  
 program name, PID and so on, but I don't think you can reference them  
 by window size.

 
 And if the window is too big, even devilspie's trick will not be
 useful anymore. It is likely to be the case in some windows. In these
 cases, what should I do?

 Perhaps the wintype argument might help you. The only way to know  
 that, however, would be by experimenting. Maybe there are some window  
 types that can override fixed-size windows?

 Thanks.

 You're welcome. I wish I could be of more help, but I am just an  
 ordinary user of Devilspie (not even what you could call a power user  
 ;)
No problem. All the explanations were useful and precise. Thanks all.

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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:04:49 -0500 (EST), Merciadri Luca wrote:
 Okay. My eyes will take a blow, but it is now really nice: the
 windows' buttons are correctly displayed!
 
 Thanks, I will stick with this. (There is actually no other solution,
 and when one buys a netbook with a small resolution, one should assume it.)

These days, it seems that most application designers assume that a 1024x768
desktop is the lowest common denominator.  They assume that no-one will
ever have a smaller desktop than that.  Your netbook is 1024x600, which
explains why the bottom gets cut off in some cases.

That reminds me.  Maybe there is another solution.  I don't know why I
didn't think of it before, but you can specify a virtual desktop size
to use in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

   Virtual 1024x768

can be placed in the Display Subsection of the Screen Section.
You then set your desired video mode to be something which your display
can physically display.  You can either create a custom mode of 1024x600
or pick a standard one that will fit, such as 800x600, for example.
Now the physical resolution is smaller than the virtual resolution.
Your applications see the virtual resolution.  You use the mouse pointer
to scroll.  For example, move the mouse pointer to the bottom of the
screen and keep trying to move further down.  As you do, the screen scrolls
down.  This will allow you to use the full size fonts, but you won't be
able to see the whole virtual desktop at once.  The choice is up to
you.


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Stephen Powell
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:09:16 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote:
 Virtual 1024x768

Oops!  That should have been written

   Virtual 1024 768

(remove the x).  Sorry for the typo.


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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Merciadri Luca
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Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com writes:

 On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:09:16 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote:
 Virtual 1024x768

 Oops!  That should have been written

Virtual 1024 768

 (remove the x).  Sorry for the typo.
Thanks for these two messages. I shall try them too. I consider this
topic as closed. Thanks everyone!
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Re: Debian on EEE -- really nice, but how can I resize windows which already seem to be at their minimal size?

2010-02-01 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 15:55 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:
 Tixy debianu...@tixy.myzen.co.uk writes:
  I can move windows vertically too - that's what I do to get to menu
  buttons on my EEEPC 1000HE running Debian Squeeze with the Gnome
  Desktop. (I'm sure it was the same when I ran Lenny.)
 For sure, me too, but only when they have already been resized, at
 least to some extent so that their overall size is alpha * beta, where
 alpha  1, and beta is their original size, i.e. iff they have been
 resized positively (i.e. augmented). But if they are already
 minimized, it appears to me to be impossible to reduce them further. 

I think we may be talking about different things, and misunderstanding
each other. I was meaning to talk about moving the position of a window
on the screen, not changing it's size.

If the buttons in a window are below  the bottom of the screen, I move
the whole window up so the buttons are visible. This will cause the top
part of a window to no longer be visible, as it is now off the top of
the screen, but I can click on buttons I need to.

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