Re: Doubt about the release-fitness of a package (gfax)
On Sunday 09 November 2014 11:12:52 Ralph Aichinger wrote: I just tried to install gfax (in sid), and it crashed on me just as described in bug 651160. [snip] I want to straddle the fine line between me me me-type severity inflation and a genuine feeling that this package should not end up in stable jessie in its current state. And I do not only want to ask about that one package, but what is the right thing to do as a user if one finds bugs like these. I have hit a failure in my understanding of the freeze process and would be grateful if someone could explain it to me. If gfax in Sid is not fit for release, why does this have any effect on Jessie which is frozen, which I thought basically means that nothing new can come up from Sid? This is what I have obviously got wrong. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411140839.57580.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Doubt about the release-fitness of a package (gfax)
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 08:39:57AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: I have hit a failure in my understanding of the freeze process and would be grateful if someone could explain it to me. If gfax in Sid is not fit for release, why does this have any effect on Jessie which is frozen, which I thought basically means that nothing new can come up from Sid? This is what I have obviously got wrong. If a bug was found in the version of gfax in sid, then that wouldn't impact Jessie, if Jessie had a different version. However, Jessie and sid have the same version of gfax. Therefore a release critical bug filed against gfax version 0.7.7+ds-2 would result in the package being removed from jessie (if it wasn't fixed, or marked jessie-ignore by the release team). Once filed, the maintainers would need to upload a fixed package. In this case, they should do so to sid. They can then request an 'unblock' from the release team, who can manually guide it into jessie. The new package would have to have very minimal changes from the old one, basically only fixing the RC bug and not making other changes, in order to be acceptable to the release team. -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141114093638.ga3...@chew.redmars.org
Re: Doubt about the release-fitness of a package (gfax)
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:39:57, Lisi Reisz wrote: I have hit a failure in my understanding of the freeze process and would be grateful if someone could explain it to me. If gfax in Sid is not fit for release, why does this have any effect on Jessie which is frozen, which I thought basically means that nothing new can come up from Sid? This is what I have obviously got wrong. Nothing wrong with your understanding, it's just that it already is in testing (and stable) at the same version as sid. $ LANG=C apt list gfax Listing... Done gfax/testing,unstable,stable 0.7.7+ds-2 all Unless the Release Team removes it from testing (which may still happen in case of RC bugs) it will be released as such. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Doubt about the release-fitness of a package (gfax)
On Friday 14 November 2014 09:38:42 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:39:57, Lisi Reisz wrote: I have hit a failure in my understanding of the freeze process and would be grateful if someone could explain it to me. If gfax in Sid is not fit for release, why does this have any effect on Jessie which is frozen, which I thought basically means that nothing new can come up from Sid? This is what I have obviously got wrong. Nothing wrong with your understanding, it's just that it already is in testing (and stable) at the same version as sid. $ LANG=C apt list gfax Listing... Done gfax/testing,unstable,stable 0.7.7+ds-2 all Unless the Release Team removes it from testing (which may still happen in case of RC bugs) it will be released as such. Thanks Jonathan and Andrei. One day I'll actually understand Debian. If I live long enough. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411140948.24667.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Doubt about the release-fitness of a package (gfax)
On Sun 09 Nov 2014 at 12:12:52 +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote: I just tried to install gfax (in sid), and it crashed on me just as described in bug 651160. This has been reported in 2011, is tagged help, and seems to go nowhere. What is the right way to suggest that this package is not ready for release (I do think if I am not the only one experiencing the same crash it is probably a general thing, not something to do with my install), even though there is currently no RC bug filed? Add my findigns bug 651160, and set it to RC (is that considered rude if a non-developer does it)? Is it even possible (setting to RC)? Add your findings and reasoning to #651160 and raise its severity to 'grave' (makes the package in question unusable or mostly so). It is something not to be done lightly so be as sure as you can with your argument. The maintainer will lower it if it's thought to be over the top. Mail the maintainer? No. Keep to the BTS. File another bug? Not if you think #651160 fits your situation. I want to straddle the fine line between me me me-type severity inflation and a genuine feeling that this package should not end up in stable jessie in its current state. And I do not only want to ask about that one package, but what is the right thing to do as a user if one finds bugs like these. Take a look at http://gfax.cowlug.org/ and its mailing list. Is there significant upstream maintenence? Does the software fit in with Jessie's gnome? etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/09112014121849.022df5fea...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
