Re: Exim... can't get outgoing mail off my machine

1999-09-29 Thread Seth R Arnold
Kenward, check out the /usr/doc/exim/spec.txt.gz file, near line 11900 for
some information on setting up a smarthost thingy.

(Anyone else think exim's docs might be a bit too big? :)

On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 04:51:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry, but I cannot figure out how to get mail to other people on our LAN
 using exim.  Those I send are booted back saying they don't exist on my
 machine.  Mail should go to a server, but it treats all with the same domain
 as being on my machine.  Have gone through the manual but I guess I'm blind.
 
 Can someone kindly point out my blunder?  
 
 Kenward
 
 
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Re: Exim... can't get outgoing mail off my machine

1999-09-29 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 07:49:21PM -0700, Seth R Arnold wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 04:51:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sorry, but I cannot figure out how to get mail to other people on our LAN
  using exim.  Those I send are booted back saying they don't exist on my
  machine.  Mail should go to a server, but it treats all with the same domain
  as being on my machine.  Have gone through the manual but I guess I'm blind.

 Kenward, check out the /usr/doc/exim/spec.txt.gz file, near line 11900 for
 some information on setting up a smarthost thingy.

I don't think that will help if the problem is that exim thinks that it
handles all mail for his domain.  Most MTAs implement a luser_relay
option which allows one to specify a host to throw unknown local users
to.  In exim this appears to be a smartuser director, and is documented
in the manual.

Try adding after the localuser director in your exim.conf:

startuser:
   driver = domainlist
   transport = remote_smtp
   route_list = * mail.relay.for.your.site bydns_a

(Completely untested and assuming a fairly standard Debian exim 
configuration).  The other option is to use a fake name or your hostname
internally and use rewriting to make sure any addresses which make it
off your system are valid.

 (Anyone else think exim's docs might be a bit too big? :)

The main problem is knowing what to look for rather than anything else -
it's not very well indexed and doesn't cater to people using different
terminology so well.

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Re: Exim... can't get outgoing mail off my machine

1999-09-29 Thread Seth R Arnold
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 06:03:09AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 07:49:21PM -0700, Seth R Arnold wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 04:51:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Sorry, but I cannot figure out how to get mail to other people on our LAN
   using exim.  Those I send are booted back saying they don't exist on my
   machine.  Mail should go to a server, but it treats all with the same 
   domain
   as being on my machine.  Have gone through the manual but I guess I'm 
   blind.
 
  Kenward, check out the /usr/doc/exim/spec.txt.gz file, near line 11900 for
  some information on setting up a smarthost thingy.
 
 I don't think that will help if the problem is that exim thinks that it
 handles all mail for his domain.  Most MTAs implement a luser_relay
 option which allows one to specify a host to throw unknown local users
 to.  In exim this appears to be a smartuser director, and is documented
 in the manual.

Well, the line number that I pointed at tells how to make exim point at a
smarthost. It looked like the smartuser director might be able to do it, but
it looked more like whatever was near line 11900 would do it better. :)

 Try adding after the localuser director in your exim.conf:
 
 startuser:
driver = domainlist
transport = remote_smtp
route_list = * mail.relay.for.your.site bydns_a
 
 (Completely untested and assuming a fairly standard Debian exim 
 configuration).  The other option is to use a fake name or your hostname
 internally and use rewriting to make sure any addresses which make it
 off your system are valid.
 
  (Anyone else think exim's docs might be a bit too big? :)
 
 The main problem is knowing what to look for rather than anything else -
 it's not very well indexed and doesn't cater to people using different
 terminology so well.

Hehhe. In the exim docs, EVERY SINGLE THING is explained in wonderful
detail, and yet .. even though I have read them through completely a few
times, I still feel overwhelmed by the sheer amount of data they contain. It
has to be one of the few programs well documented. :)

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Re: Exim... can't get outgoing mail off my machine

1999-09-29 Thread kvaughan
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 06:03:09AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 07:49:21PM -0700, Seth R Arnold wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 04:51:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Sorry, but I cannot figure out how to get mail to other people on our LAN
   using exim.  Those I send are booted back saying they don't exist on my
   machine.  Mail should go to a server, but it treats all with the same 
   domain
   as being on my machine.  Have gone through the manual but I guess I'm 
   blind.
 
  Kenward, check out the /usr/doc/exim/spec.txt.gz file, near line 11900 for
  some information on setting up a smarthost thingy.
 
 I don't think that will help if the problem is that exim thinks that it
 handles all mail for his domain.  Most MTAs implement a luser_relay
 option which allows one to specify a host to throw unknown local users
 to.  In exim this appears to be a smartuser director, and is documented
 in the manual.
[...]

Mark,

Thanks for the note.  I ultimately went back into eximconfig and realized
that a better choice would be a satellite system, and played with the
settings.  What I wound up with seems to fit what you describe.  So far
(with no one responding to test msgs. this late at night :) it seems to be
working (replies don't get bounced back to me with delivery failures).

Kenward


  (Anyone else think exim's docs might be a bit too big? :)
 
 The main problem is knowing what to look for rather than anything else -
 it's not very well indexed and doesn't cater to people using different
 terminology so well.

fully agree with this


Re: Exim... can't get outgoing mail off my machine

1999-09-29 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 10:05:56PM -0700, Seth R Arnold wrote:

 Well, the line number that I pointed at tells how to make exim point at a
 smarthost. It looked like the smartuser director might be able to do it, but
 it looked more like whatever was near line 11900 would do it better. :)

I'm concerned that it wouldn't even get to the smarthost - it would
think this is a local address, I should be able to deliver it and then
find it can't and bounce before ever trying a smarthost.

 detail, and yet .. even though I have read them through completely a few
 times, I still feel overwhelmed by the sheer amount of data they contain. It
 has to be one of the few programs well documented. :)

I find the trick is to remember the big picture and look up those
specifics that aren't memorable.

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Re: Exim... can't get outgoing mail off my machine

1999-09-29 Thread Seth R Arnold
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 07:13:45AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 at 10:05:56PM -0700, Seth R Arnold wrote:
 
  Well, the line number that I pointed at tells how to make exim point at a
  smarthost. It looked like the smartuser director might be able to do it, but
  it looked more like whatever was near line 11900 would do it better. :)
 
 I'm concerned that it wouldn't even get to the smarthost - it would
 think this is a local address, I should be able to deliver it and then
 find it can't and bounce before ever trying a smarthost.

D'oh! Upon looking again, I think you are right. Good thing the original
poster fixed his problem, huh? :)

  detail, and yet .. even though I have read them through completely a few
  times, I still feel overwhelmed by the sheer amount of data they contain. It
  has to be one of the few programs well documented. :)
 
 I find the trick is to remember the big picture and look up those
 specifics that aren't memorable.

Keeping vi's '/' handy helps too. :)

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