Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
Dne, 31. 01. 2010 22:15:05 je Eduardo M KALINOWSKI napisal(a): But 99% of them are unnecessary, the same effect could be achived with plain old HTML. The end result might be more boring, but just as informational/useful. Moreover, I've seldom encountered plain old HTML that was as boring as certain flash-only splash pages ... a boring HTML page can hardly compete with a boring flash intro, simply in virtue of the fact that flash takes 10 times longer to load, thus increasing the boredom effect by a factor of 10. In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually enjoys flash??? -- Regards, Klistvud Certifiable Loonix User #481801 http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:16:03 -0500 (EST), Klistvud wrote: In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually enjoys flash??? I hate it too. But as with most things in life, it all comes down to money. The bottom line is, it sells. Or at least the Madison Avenue types think that it does. The whole goal of advertising is to get your attention. And from their point of view, even negative attention is better than no attention. And from their point of view, making the web page non-functional without flash is a good thing. That forces you to view the ads, which increases their revenue. Web sites make money by selling advertising. The ad agencies love flash. The more flashy, shiny, and motion-oriented it is, the better it is, from their point of view. I hate it. But I have no delusions that it is going to go away. Everybody hates spam. But spam will never go away either, and for the same reason. Ditto for drugs, prostitution, etc. As long as there is money to be made with it, someone will do it. (Sigh.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:12:47 -0500 (EST) Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:16:03 -0500 (EST), Klistvud wrote: In all honesty, is there anybody over the mental age of 9 that actually enjoys flash??? I hate it too. But as with most things in life, it all comes down to money. The bottom line is, it sells. Or at least the Madison Avenue types think that it does. The whole goal of advertising is to get your attention. And from their point of view, even negative attention is better than no attention. And from their point of view, making the web page non-functional without flash is a good thing. That forces you to view the ads, which increases their revenue. But don't forget that Google, a company for which the selling of advertising is its raison d'être, has thrived on its signature small, unobtrusive, text-link ads, rather than huge, annoying, garish Flash monstrosities. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On 30.01.2010 20:57, Merciadri Luca wrote: Nuno Magalhãesnunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt writes: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried with the up-to-date Firefox. I have this one: ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8 running Sid on amd64. Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons: == Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100 Is that possibly gnash? Gnash IIRC still doesn't fully support the features utilised by youtube. Have you installed the flash plugin from aptitude/synaptic/apt? If so, what do you receive from dpkg -l '*flash*' '*gnash*' [snip] Then, some unuseful stuff: == Loading stream: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepgt=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=el=detailpageps=fmt=5asv=2noflv=1 Loading stream: http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactorfexp=903202algorithm=throttle-factoritag=5ipbits=0burst=40sver=3expire=1264899600key=yt1signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1factor=1.25id=718fcaac1f0c7a98redirect_counter=1 Loading stream: http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=ytdocid=cY_KrB8Mepghl=en_UScr=USel=detailpagefexp=903202vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7Ccsipt=watchfmt=5md=1st=0.067w=640plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowrvw=320fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0sd=B4A7DD227MMet=0.067rt=2.8len=254.4bc=231338vh=240h=360 == Actually, I think this is quite useful in this case; the standard non-free plugin from Adobe doesn't return any output for me. Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes. Any idea? Check both PCs (about:plugins) and see if the flash plugins differ as I suspect they do. On youtube you'll get the best support from the 'official' flash plugin. OR if you have greasemonkey installed, you can use http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63509 and view the videos using mplayer or VLC. I've had the best luck with the greasemonkey script and the following settings # ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf vo=gl cachesize=512 cache-percent=5 profile=plugin # ~/.mplayer/config [plugin] autosync=0 mc=0 correct-pts=yes Hope this helps, Edward J. Shornock -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Edward J. Shornock ed.shorn...@gmail.com writes: On 30.01.2010 20:57, Merciadri Luca wrote: Nuno Magalhãesnunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt writes: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried with the up-to-date Firefox. I have this one: ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8 running Sid on amd64. Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons: == Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100 Is that possibly gnash? Gnash IIRC still doesn't fully support the features utilised by youtube. Have you installed the flash plugin from aptitude/synaptic/apt? If so, what do you receive from dpkg -l '*flash*' '*gnash*' [snip] Then, some unuseful stuff: == Loading stream: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepgt=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=el=detailpageps=fmt=5asv=2noflv=1 Loading stream: http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactorfexp=903202algorithm=throttle-factoritag=5ipbits=0burst=40sver=3expire=1264899600key=yt1signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1factor=1.25id=718fcaac1f0c7a98redirect_counter=1 Loading stream: http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=ytdocid=cY_KrB8Mepghl=en_UScr=USel=detailpagefexp=903202vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7Ccsipt=watchfmt=5md=1st=0.067w=640plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowrvw=320fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0sd=B4A7DD227MMet=0.067rt=2.8len=254.4bc=231338vh=240h=360 == Actually, I think this is quite useful in this case; the standard non-free plugin from Adobe doesn't return any output for me. That is however the one I installed! (Just from Adobe's website.) Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes. Any idea? Check both PCs (about:plugins) and see if the flash plugins differ as I suspect they do. On youtube you'll get the best support from the official' flash plugin. The plugins are exactly the same, except that the computer where it works has also `Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22' together with `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100,' where the computer which Youtube does not work on has only `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100.' OR if you have greasemonkey installed, you can use http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63509 and view the videos using mplayer or VLC. I've had the best luck with the greasemonkey script and the following settings # ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf vo=gl cachesize=512 cache-percent=5 profile=plugin # ~/.mplayer/config [plugin] autosync=0 mc=0 correct-pts=yes I do not have it installed, but, if it is really needed, I shall install it, and use your tips. - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- Fine feathers make fine birds. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAktlmpsACgkQM0LLzLt8MhwTogCfZkrfLHInRSMwcbz20kCdkHKQ x0wAn1vg+hOu2ao9F8I0Gf23NhR96za7 =2bli -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Edward J. Shornock ed.shorn...@gmail.com writes: On 30.01.2010 20:57, Merciadri Luca wrote: Nuno Magalhãesnunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt writes: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried with the up-to-date Firefox. I have this one: ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8 running Sid on amd64. Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons: == Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100 Is that possibly gnash? Gnash IIRC still doesn't fully support the features utilised by youtube. Have you installed the flash plugin from aptitude/synaptic/apt? If so, what do you receive from dpkg -l '*flash*' '*gnash*' [snip] Then, some unuseful stuff: == Loading stream: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepgt=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=el=detailpageps=fmt=5asv=2noflv=1 Loading stream: http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactorfexp=903202algorithm=throttle-factoritag=5ipbits=0burst=40sver=3expire=1264899600key=yt1signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1factor=1.25id=718fcaac1f0c7a98redirect_counter=1 Loading stream: http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=ytdocid=cY_KrB8Mepghl=en_UScr=USel=detailpagefexp=903202vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7Ccsipt=watchfmt=5md=1st=0.067w=640plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowrvw=320fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0sd=B4A7DD227MMet=0.067rt=2.8len=254.4bc=231338vh=240h=360 == Actually, I think this is quite useful in this case; the standard non-free plugin from Adobe doesn't return any output for me. That is however the one I installed! (Just from Adobe's website.) Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes. Any idea? Check both PCs (about:plugins) and see if the flash plugins differ as I suspect they do. On youtube you'll get the best support from the official' flash plugin. The plugins are exactly the same, except that the computer where it works has also `Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22' together with `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100,' where the computer which Youtube does not work on has only `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100.' OR if you have greasemonkey installed, you can use http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63509 and view the videos using mplayer or VLC. I've had the best luck with the greasemonkey script and the following settings # ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf vo=gl cachesize=512 cache-percent=5 profile=plugin # ~/.mplayer/config [plugin] autosync=0 mc=0 correct-pts=yes I do not have it installed, but, if it is really needed, I shall install it, and use your tips. [snip] Hello, I think that is your problem, you-tube only really works well under flash v10 Instructions here will get you up and running with v10 and that *should* fix your problems http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27.3AFlashPlayer10 Regards, Angus.
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Edward J. Shornock ed.shorn...@gmail.com writes: On 30.01.2010 20:57, Merciadri Luca wrote: Nuno Magalhãesnunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt writes: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried with the up-to-date Firefox. I have this one: ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8 running Sid on amd64. Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons: == Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100 Is that possibly gnash? Gnash IIRC still doesn't fully support the features utilised by youtube. Have you installed the flash plugin from aptitude/synaptic/apt? If so, what do you receive from dpkg -l '*flash*' '*gnash*' [snip] Then, some unuseful stuff: == Loading stream: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepgt=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=el=detailpageps=fmt=5asv=2noflv=1 Loading stream: http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactorfexp=903202algorithm=throttle-factoritag=5ipbits=0burst=40sver=3expire=1264899600key=yt1signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1factor=1.25id=718fcaac1f0c7a98redirect_counter=1 Loading stream: http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=ytdocid=cY_KrB8Mepghl=en_UScr=USel=detailpagefexp=903202vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7Ccsipt=watchfmt=5md=1st=0.067w=640plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowrvw=320fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0sd=B4A7DD227MMet=0.067rt=2.8len=254.4bc=231338vh=240h=360 == Actually, I think this is quite useful in this case; the standard non-free plugin from Adobe doesn't return any output for me. That is however the one I installed! (Just from Adobe's website.) Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes. Any idea? Check both PCs (about:plugins) and see if the flash plugins differ as I suspect they do. On youtube you'll get the best support from the official' flash plugin. The plugins are exactly the same, except that the computer where it works has also `Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22' together with `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100,' where the computer which Youtube does not work on has only `Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100.' OR if you have greasemonkey installed, you can use http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/63509 and view the videos using mplayer or VLC. I've had the best luck with the greasemonkey script and the following settings # ~/.mplayer/mplayerplug-in.conf vo=gl cachesize=512 cache-percent=5 profile=plugin # ~/.mplayer/config [plugin] autosync=0 mc=0 correct-pts=yes I do not have it installed, but, if it is really needed, I shall install it, and use your tips. Okay, I have solved the problem. Angus Hedger sent me an e-mail with a pointer to http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Debian5.0.27Lenny.27.3AFlashPlayer10 but I did not see his e-mail directly. I tried something by myself which was actually the same as what he proposed me to do. Funny. Here is the story: 1. Installing the last Flash Player from the `genuine' website, i.e. either from a .tar.gz (which only contains a .so file: strange, isn't it? Last versions were not containing only such a file, I think) or from a .rpm is not a good idea. I installed the rpm, but the add-on was actually not recognized at all by FF (and thus Iceweasel). There is a difference between flashplugin-nonfree (which is in the backports) and the flash which is installed with Adobe's website! The Flash which is installed thanks to the file which you download on Adobe's website is _not_ contained in a package such as `flashplugin-nonfree.' FF and Iceweasel seem to look for nothing but flashplugin-nonfree. Consequently, FF and Iceweasel never find the Flash you install, once it has been downloaded and installed thanks to Adobe's website. However, this solution worked on the computer where Flash was already working at the beginning... 2. I firstly looked thoroughly in packages.debian.org, where the backports give flashplugin-nonfree. I gave a try, and installing it worked perfectly. Okay, it is listed as only `Shockwave Flash 10.0 r42' in the add-ons of Iceweasel (and consequently FF). This is nice, and, on Youtube, and now works perfectly! 3. Youtube apparently uses the functionalities of the most recent versions of Flash. Consequently, every Flash was working on every website, except on Youtube, where videos where hanging the whole browser, because the installed version (9.0) was not supporting some stuff which was actually asked by Youtube: it was too old. 4. I was happy to see that it worked,
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: 5. Debian's politic sometimes creates problems which could be solved in a really more straightforward way: if it had been in the deps from the beginning, I would not have had to do all of this. Okay, this is `too recent' stuff, but sticking with main packages should not prevent you from viewing a video on Youtube! (I actually quite never use Youtube, but I prefer things working everywhere.) It's vox populi that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/ shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other sources. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun January 31 2010, Camaleón wrote: It's vox populi that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/ shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other sources. what about flashplayer-mozilla ? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 http://usdebtclock.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:05:01 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Sun January 31 2010, Camaleón wrote: It's vox populi that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/ shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other sources. what about flashplayer-mozilla ? You mean the one coming from debian-multimedia site? It's quite the same as Flash Player from Adobe, I guess. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:55:40 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: 5. Debian's politic sometimes creates problems which could be solved in a really more straightforward way: if it had been in the deps from the beginning, I would not have had to do all of this. Okay, this is `too recent' stuff, but sticking with main packages should not prevent you from viewing a video on Youtube! (I actually quite never use Youtube, but I prefer things working everywhere.) It's vox populi that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/ shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other sources. Clearly, but it does not make things clearer! - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- Don't take life too seriously; you'll never get out of it alive. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAktly1cACgkQM0LLzLt8MhyBHACgiL7vA3j5SijfVtfzd8n3k5+s 9bAAoK1EEUdTN+gNaHm9YycRriAPn5rV =BdgR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:26:31 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote: Camaleón writes: It's vox populi that Flash Player is closed source and so cannot/ shouldn't be included by default in Debian. You can get it from other sources. Clearly, but it does not make things clearer! There are some packages that fall in a kind of limbo. One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact that for todays browsing is a must have. The other one is Java JRE. There is also a free implementation for this package (openJDK) but again, some programs/applications work better (in some cases, only work) with Sun's Java packages, which are not completely free. And there are also the graphic cards drivers. The free ones cannot fully satisfy the needs that can arise in some environments where closed ones are the only alternative. But I better shut up on this matter or I'm being exposed to be treated as a troll O:-) So we (users) have to deal with this situations every day. But Debian has a very extensive documentation for all of the above: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash http://wiki.debian.org/Java http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo So if in doubt, you can always ask to the list to get more feedback :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:11:37 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: ... One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact that for todays browsing is a must have. Disagree. I do most of my browsing in an IW profile without Flash. It's easy enough to download YouTube video using youtube-dl or clive / cclive, and the only sites that seem to really require Flash are flashy game or advertisement sites, which I can generally do without. I don't deny that Flash can be useful, but I wouldn't call it a must have. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:44:54 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:11:37 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: ... One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact that for todays browsing is a must have. Disagree. I do most of my browsing in an IW profile without Flash. It's easy enough to download YouTube video using youtube-dl or clive / cclive, and the only sites that seem to really require Flash are flashy game or advertisement sites, which I can generally do without. I don't deny that Flash can be useful, but I wouldn't call it a must have. Some animations, multimedia applications or control buttons for validating user input data that are embedded in a flash container need to call external (x)html code (remote javascript, XML files or action script) to be properly managed and displayed so you can interact with them. Not all the flashes out there are just movies :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:10:28 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:44:54 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:11:37 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: ... One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact that for todays browsing is a must have. Disagree. I do most of my browsing in an IW profile without Flash. It's easy enough to download YouTube video using youtube-dl or clive / cclive, and the only sites that seem to really require Flash are flashy game or advertisement sites, which I can generally do without. I don't deny that Flash can be useful, but I wouldn't call it a must have. Some animations, multimedia applications or control buttons for validating user input data that are embedded in a flash container need to call external (x)html code (remote javascript, XML files or action script) to be properly managed and displayed so you can interact with them. Not all the flashes out there are just movies :-) Understood, but my point stands: I do most of my browsing without Flash enabled, and don't seem to suffer much for it. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On 01/31/2010 07:10 PM, Camaleón wrote: Some animations, multimedia applications or control buttons for validating user input data that are embedded in a flash container need to call external (x)html code (remote javascript, XML files or action script) to be properly managed and displayed so you can interact with them. The Flashblock extension is great to allow these flash's to be displayed, while blocking all the other annoying animated ads. Not all the flashes out there are just movies :-) But 99% of them are unnecessary, the same effect could be achived with plain old HTML. The end result might be more boring, but just as informational/useful. -- Behind every great man, there is a woman -- urging him on. -- Harry Mudd, I, Mudd, stardate 4513.3 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote: On 01/31/2010 07:10 PM, Camaleón wrote: Some animations, multimedia applications or control buttons for validating user input data that are embedded in a flash container need to call external (x)html code (remote javascript, XML files or action script) to be properly managed and displayed so you can interact with them. The Flashblock extension is great to allow these flash's to be displayed, while blocking all the other annoying animated ads. Not all the flashes out there are just movies :-) But 99% of them are unnecessary, the same effect could be achived with plain old HTML. The end result might be more boring, but just as informational/useful. -- Behind every great man, there is a woman -- urging him on. -- Harry Mudd, I, Mudd, stardate 4513.3 Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Unfortunately to often websites feel more about style over substance, if I wanted overly shiny jumping and flashing stuff allover my screen I would use OSX or KDE ;) And it doesn't help that flash sucks up ram like no ones business. Regards, Angus.
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: One is Flash Player, needed as much as hated, but it's a matter of fact that for todays browsing is a must have. Disagree. I do most of my browsing in an IW profile without Flash. It's easy enough to download YouTube video using youtube-dl or clive / cclive, and the only sites that seem to really require Flash are flashy game or advertisement sites, which I can generally do without. I don't deny that Flash can be useful, but I wouldn't call it a must have. Your config is not one of the most standard, isn't it? Flash is, for me, not a _must have_ (as explained by the other posts), but including ``facilities'' for it in Debian would be really necessary: something like 90% of the users must encounter the same problem as me, and, despite having a nice documentation, Debian is here lacking something. (I really like Debian and I would not use another distro, but this is something from my personal point of view.) I had also problems for Java and related apps. Is default-jre already installed with a default install of Debian? - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It doesn't work, and you'll annoy the pig. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAktl9qYACgkQM0LLzLt8MhxfvwCfeABB9RR/PDTWgSZRKPVo4TlS owEAoKnt6aQ7RIDGPMHVryP72y+SUvIt =cXPe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The answer to my last question seems to be `NO', which confirms my thoughts: at http://wiki.debian.org/Java, it is clearly said: == To install the default JRE on your system, run : apt-get install default-jre == Why is the default JRE not installed in a normal install of Debian? default-jre' is, at least according to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=default-jresearchon=namessuite=stablesection=all, available for many archs, and is the `Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime'! - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- The ends justify the means. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAktl944ACgkQM0LLzLt8MhyrDwCfeoU50Wknr8IftriWfmHucm/a +ScAn0lUs1/F3OejZzSjZhdkBE3PJlZT =5het -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 21:35, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: Why is the default JRE not installed in a normal install of Debian? Don't know, and you're highjacking a thread about flash. +1 on the flash is not necessary but webdevs seem to rely on it too much trend. Functional content (like login screens) should not rely on flash or javascript, but rather stick to the more common basic pre-existing standards. Too bad most sites don't gracefully degrade. My irrelevant 2¢ -- () ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto /\ ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt writes: Comparing which flash-related packages (and their versions) you have on each machine? Testing other flash-encripled sites? I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried with the up-to-date Firefox. All the other flash-using websites work normally, except that it stalls if I open too much tabs. Thanks. - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- Don't judge a man by the size of his hat, but by the angle of his tilt. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAktkEMsACgkQM0LLzLt8MhxMzACfRfpO3nk5R82osV+e+XIIRCDj u8AAnAyKqTfVcqrYnngXsFyMr1KFbzlX =9Vsd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried with the up-to-date Firefox. I have this one: ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8 running Sid on amd64. Try with other browsers. Midori uses WebKit instead of Gecko, but it's crash-prone. There's Opera (Presto), kazehakase's also Gecko... and hell, there's IE. Run firefox from a terminal, that way you'll see the errors when it crashes. HTH, Nuno -- () ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto /\ ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt writes: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:58, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: I have both `flash-plugin - Adobe Flash Player 10.0' on the two computers. They are executing Iceweasel v. 3.0.6, and I also tried with the up-to-date Firefox. I have this one: ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8 running Sid on amd64. Iceweasel gives me, amongst the add-ons: == Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100 . . . Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 == I tried deactivating the last one (i.e. Windows MP stuff), which was causing some related trouble at others' browsers, if I understand the whole correctly. (You might have a look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/firefox-crashing-on-youtube-623118/.) A $ apt-cache search mplayer gives me unuseful stuff, except == mplayer-skin-blue - blue skin for mplayer mplayer-dbg - debugging symbols for MPlayer mplayer-doc - documentation for MPlayer mplayer - movie player for Unix-like systems mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla == Note however, that == # apt-get -s remove mozilla-mplayer Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package mozilla-mplayer is not installed, so not removed == It may not be the cause of the problem, somehow. I just wanted to exclude any possibility... Using the built-in Epiphany results in the same crashes (just with Youtube). That looks normal as Epiphany is Gecko-based. Try with other browsers. Midori uses WebKit instead of Gecko, but it's crash-prone. There's Opera (Presto), kazehakase's also Gecko... and hell, there's IE. For IE, it evidently works pretty well under Microsoft Windows XP, but this is not the subject, isn't it? Run firefox from a terminal, that way you'll see the errors when it crashes. That was the first thing I tried: == $ firefox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY_KrB8Mepg Unsupported movie property style with value Unsupported movie property id with value movie_player Unsupported movie property name with value movie_player Unsupported movie property quality with value high Unsupported movie property allowfullscreen with value true Unsupported movie property allowscriptaccess with value always Loading stream: http://s.ytimg.com/yt/swf/watch-vfl143348.swf unhandled event 19 == until there, NO crash at all (it is always so), as I have a really big `Play' icon _in_ the flash plug-in: the Flash has not been played. Then, some unuseful stuff: == Loading stream: http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=cY_KrB8Mepgt=vjVQa1PpcFNC0_Vmf7Tgh8pq2tVgZTgBGRuQEA1S28M=el=detailpageps=fmt=5asv=2noflv=1 Loading stream: http://v7.cache2.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?ip=0.0.0.0sparams=id%2Cexpire%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Calgorithm%2Cburst%2Cfactorfexp=903202algorithm=throttle-factoritag=5ipbits=0burst=40sver=3expire=1264899600key=yt1signature=3C09C806BB0A3FCC9CF94A95A7429513CCE9898C.D440F68A564E69A814DE2B041DA03CE4972021A1factor=1.25id=718fcaac1f0c7a98redirect_counter=1 Loading stream: http://video-stats.video.google.com/s?ns=ytdocid=cY_KrB8Mepghl=en_UScr=USel=detailpagefexp=903202vid=aqSUfBzQpzyLVV7WYJF3KaH1uTg5Arf7Ccsipt=watchfmt=5md=1st=0.067w=640plid=AAR-ZjxkLeKATowrvw=320fv=WIN%209%2C0%2C100%2C0sd=B4A7DD227MMet=0.067rt=2.8len=254.4bc=231338vh=240h=360 == Once I have clicked, I can hear sound, and sometimes see an image from the flash being played, but nothing more. The whole Iceweasel becomes unresponsive, and I am obliged to kill the process. If I do not kill it, it begins to stall completely, and freezes. Any idea? Thanks for your help. - -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ - -- All that glisters is not gold. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAktkgS0ACgkQM0LLzLt8MhyMGgCggyxNXUNbLNwVipLDzTBFT+aB 9xUAnilWmP6uHHM2pH4df1dQPjLkgtv5 =YBss -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Firefox (and Iceweasel) are unable to play Youtube videos
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 20:31, Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be wrote: Any idea for this situation? Comparing which flash-related packages (and their versions) you have on each machine? Testing other flash-encripled sites? -- () ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto /\ ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
