Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On 7/8/18 12:17 PM, John Darrah wrote: On 7/7/2018 6:51 AM, Dave wrote: I wanted to know if this hibernation / waking issue can be solved by using more compatable motherboards, hardware, ect ... or is this issue prevelant regardless of the hardware and bios being used ? Hibernation issues are almost always an issue with the BIOS/Motherbord firmware... make sure your BIOS is up to date. -- john My bios was just updated and still the display will not wake
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On 7/7/2018 6:51 AM, Dave wrote: I wanted to know if this hibernation / waking issue can be solved by using more compatable motherboards, hardware, ect ... or is this issue prevelant regardless of the hardware and bios being used ? Hibernation issues are almost always an issue with the BIOS/Motherbord firmware... make sure your BIOS is up to date. -- john
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 04:16:19PM -0400, Dave wrote: > > > On 7/7/18 11:24 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 09:45:25AM -0400, Dave wrote: > > > I wanted to know if this hibernation / waking issue can be solved by using > > > more compatable motherboards, hardware, ect ... or is this issue prevelant > > > regardless of the hardware and bios being used ? > > It's a specific combination of motherboard, motherboard BIOS, > > video card, and video driver. > > > > Unfortunately there are several such combinations, and new ones > > occasionally appear. > > > > The majority of machines can do suspend-to-RAM and/or > > suspend-to-disk and wake up smoothly afterwards. > > > > -dsr- > > > > Would one of the newer Dell Power Spec Servers Work with Debian Linux > Solving this "Non Wake display issue" ? the Dells start at 1600.00 and go > up from there. > I have been Asking Debian-User list if there is a cheaper, easier or simpler > fix , but no one has any definitive answers about this issue, I'm at the > point of just buying a powerspec. I guess my first question would be, why are you hibernating a server? All I can testify to is my own experience. I've seen Intel CPU/GPU combinations fail to wake the display, but not since Stretch started and possibly not for several years before that. My wife's AMD cpu with an NVidia 1030 wakes properly. -dsr-
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On 7/7/18 11:24 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 09:45:25AM -0400, Dave wrote: I wanted to know if this hibernation / waking issue can be solved by using more compatable motherboards, hardware, ect ... or is this issue prevelant regardless of the hardware and bios being used ? It's a specific combination of motherboard, motherboard BIOS, video card, and video driver. Unfortunately there are several such combinations, and new ones occasionally appear. The majority of machines can do suspend-to-RAM and/or suspend-to-disk and wake up smoothly afterwards. -dsr- Would one of the newer Dell Power Spec Servers Work with Debian Linux Solving this "Non Wake display issue" ? the Dells start at 1600.00 and go up from there. I have been Asking Debian-User list if there is a cheaper, easier or simpler fix , but no one has any definitive answers about this issue, I'm at the point of just buying a powerspec. please advise Dave
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 09:45:25AM -0400, Dave wrote: > I wanted to know if this hibernation / waking issue can be solved by using > more compatable motherboards, hardware, ect ... or is this issue prevelant > regardless of the hardware and bios being used ? It's a specific combination of motherboard, motherboard BIOS, video card, and video driver. Unfortunately there are several such combinations, and new ones occasionally appear. The majority of machines can do suspend-to-RAM and/or suspend-to-disk and wake up smoothly afterwards. -dsr-
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
I wanted to know if this hibernation / waking issue can be solved by using more compatable motherboards, hardware, ect ... or is this issue prevelant regardless of the hardware and bios being used ? On 7/5/18 12:27 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 05 Jul 2018 at 11:11:19 (-0400), Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 7/5/18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 09:18:38AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote: after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal ) the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up. I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated. By terminal, do you mean monitor? If so: 1. ctrl-alt-F1 Note: since stretch things have... changed [1] (I have some dim memory of not even getting a Linux console anymore on ctrl-alt-Fn for *any* value of n < 10, but need to go back to double-check. It's on a customer's machine. Unfortunately "since" is ambiguous: do you mean *after* stretch. or are you including stretch? CTRL+ALT+Fn still works on my debootstrap'ed Stretch Stable. F7, not F1, is the [default/primary] go-to when one's done playing in the others. Still works here, but I don't understand the reference to F7. Perhaps that might be because you run a DE? Here, I login to a VC and run startx. X then runs as a user on VC1, not 7 as it did in the past. I'm running stretch on a normal netinst installation. That said, I have dim memories of reports that X behaves differently when run on VC1 from any other VC, and this might have involved hibernation. Because I don't hibernate this machine (I keep the lid open when I can as the hinge is dicky), I didn't file them. But it might be worth a try. […] Mine's got stock systemd. Same here. Cheers, David.
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 11:27:31AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 05 Jul 2018 at 11:11:19 (-0400), Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > On 7/5/18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > >> 1. ctrl-alt-F1 > > > > > > Note: since stretch things have... changed [...] > Unfortunately "since" is ambiguous: do you mean *after* stretch. or > are you including stretch? Yes, sorry. I meant "including stretch". > > CTRL+ALT+Fn still works on my debootstrap'ed Stretch Stable. F7, not > > F1, is the [default/primary] go-to when one's done playing in the > > others. > > Still works here, but I don't understand the reference to F7. Perhaps > that might be because you run a DE? Here, I login to a VC and run > startx. X then runs as a user on VC1, not 7 as it did in the past. > I'm running stretch on a normal netinst installation. Hm. Interesting. I'll have to double-check when I'm back. The machine I'm referring to (and I don't have access to) seems to allocate VC1 for the display manager and put X on VC2 or something. But that's from memory. Next week I'll be wiser. Cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAls++ZwACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYUFwCeKgH60WBxAVbwIMgnfZpDa+W+ lDYAniifrctRyw+y4+CB/ziku+3hEcFA =fK20 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On 7/5/18, Dave wrote: > > On 7/5/18 9:18 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote: >>> after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal ) >>> >>> the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up. >>> >>> I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated. >> By terminal, do you mean monitor? >> >> If so: >> >> 1. ctrl-alt-F1 >> 2. if that doesn't work, ctrl-alt-F2 >> 3. if that doesn't work, can you ssh in from another machine? >> >> The most likely issue is that your video card did not wake up >> from hibernation properly. >> >> There are various workarounds or fixes, depending on what kind >> of video card. >> >> -dsr- >> >> > Hello > > I mean display, screen, monitor, > the Ctrl Alt F1 F2 does not seem to work. > I have the Radeon HD 6850 > > please advise. Sorry, still no advice, just empathy. I was re-reading the thread one more time before deleting, and saw this. My video players, primarily MPV and SMPlayer, started kicking mine into most likely hibernation at the end of videos. A week or so of that fail, and now at least SMPlayer does the same 5 minutes or so into a maybe 2 hour long video. Those have been Hollywood type videos playing in the DVD drawer. In considering causatives, I do acknowledge that overheating or similar may play a rational part, by the way. Anyway, in those cases, CTRL+ALT+Fn does NOT work for me, either. Only a cold, hard reboot via the on/off hardware button on the PC computer case puts things back into operation. That's why I just did the latest debootstrap. Refresh, start over with the hope that might instantly fix things. K/t current #Life circumstances just outside my front door (plus degenerative memory issues), I don't have time right now to fight it while trying to diagnose. Unfortunately haven't been able to test the new debootstrap theory because there's a whole 'nother thread of a fail going on there, too. It's not recognizing the correctly defined UUID at boot. *sig, grinnn* :) For what it's worth in the possibility that our video cards play a sizable part in this thread's issue, I just pulled this from lspci: VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT] (rev a1) Its fan... um.. "works", but the dogs have hit the case (hard) a few times so things aren't running as optimal as they used to/should be. Ahhh, #FurBabies. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On Thu 05 Jul 2018 at 11:11:19 (-0400), Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 7/5/18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 09:18:38AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote: > >> > > >> > after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal ) > >> > the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up. > >> > I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated. > >> > >> By terminal, do you mean monitor? > >> > >> If so: > >> > >> 1. ctrl-alt-F1 > > > > Note: since stretch things have... changed [1] (I have some dim > > memory of not even getting a Linux console anymore on ctrl-alt-Fn > > for *any* value of n < 10, but need to go back to double-check. > > It's on a customer's machine. Unfortunately "since" is ambiguous: do you mean *after* stretch. or are you including stretch? > CTRL+ALT+Fn still works on my debootstrap'ed Stretch Stable. F7, not > F1, is the [default/primary] go-to when one's done playing in the > others. Still works here, but I don't understand the reference to F7. Perhaps that might be because you run a DE? Here, I login to a VC and run startx. X then runs as a user on VC1, not 7 as it did in the past. I'm running stretch on a normal netinst installation. That said, I have dim memories of reports that X behaves differently when run on VC1 from any other VC, and this might have involved hibernation. Because I don't hibernate this machine (I keep the lid open when I can as the hinge is dicky), I didn't file them. But it might be worth a try. > […] Mine's got stock systemd. Same here. Cheers, David.
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On 7/5/18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 09:18:38AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote:
>> >
>> > after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal )
>> > the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up.
>> > I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated.
>>
>> By terminal, do you mean monitor?
>>
>> If so:
>>
>> 1. ctrl-alt-F1
>
> Note: since stretch things have... changed [1] (I have some dim
> memory of not even getting a Linux console anymore on ctrl-alt-Fn
> for *any* value of n < 10, but need to go back to double-check.
> It's on a customer's machine.
CTRL+ALT+Fn still works on my debootstrap'ed Stretch Stable. F7, not
F1, is the [default/primary] go-to when one's done playing in the
others.
The debootstrap disclaimer is necessary because, at some point, the
chatter was about only being able to reboot as root via [terminal]
command line. As of about two debootstraps back, I still had to sudo
to reboot while others were saying they don't have to with some of the
more hefty installs.
> Needless to say that I am not amused ("my" Debian installation has
> sane defaults: it seems that keeping systemd away also helps on
> those other things ;-)
>
> Cheers
> [1]
> https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/6jdyzy/cant_open_text_terminal_with_ctrlaltf1_any_longer/
> I'd be thankful to anyone providing a linkable Debian resource
> on that, preferably with some rationale.
It just occurred to me because I debootstrap'ed again a couple days
(so things are fresh in my mind). Would a quiet change in keyboard
layout configuration or compatibility prevent that combination from
working, maybe?
OR NOT. :)
Secondary disclaimer: Mine's got stock systemd.
$ systemd --version
systemd 232
+PAM +AUDIT +SELINUX +IMA +APPARMOR +SMACK +SYSVINIT +UTMP
+LIBCRYPTSETUP +GCRYPT +GNUTLS +ACL +XZ +LZ4 +SECCOMP +BLKID +ELFUTILS
+KMOD +IDN
Cindy :)
--
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with duct tape *
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 10:33:52AM -0400, Dave wrote: > > > I cannot SSH in to this sytem. > > I have tried Ctrl Alt F1 or F2 does not work. You'll need to reboot. Ctrl-Alt-Del should work. -dsr-
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On 7/5/18 10:23 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 09:34:48AM -0400, Dave wrote: On 7/5/18 9:18 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote: after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal ) the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up. I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated. By terminal, do you mean monitor? If so: 1. ctrl-alt-F1 2. if that doesn't work, ctrl-alt-F2 3. if that doesn't work, can you ssh in from another machine? The most likely issue is that your video card did not wake up from hibernation properly. There are various workarounds or fixes, depending on what kind of video card. -dsr- Hello I mean display, screen, monitor, the Ctrl Alt F1 F2 does not seem to work. I have the Radeon HD 6850 Can you SSH in from another machine? If so, stopping and restarting the window manager (or the login manager) might reset things. This sort of thing has been fairly common over the years, and the usual workaround is to add chvt 2 to the hibernation script, which switches the video card out of graphics mode and into text mode, after which the hibernation continues and then when it resumes, you tap ctrl-alt-F1 or similar to get back to your X11 session. -dsr- I cannot SSH in to this sytem. I have tried Ctrl Alt F1 or F2 does not work.
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
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On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 09:18:38AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote:
> >
> > after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal )
> >
> > the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up.
> >
> > I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated.
>
> By terminal, do you mean monitor?
>
> If so:
>
> 1. ctrl-alt-F1
Note: since stretch things have... changed [1] (I have some dim
memory of not even getting a Linux console anymore on ctrl-alt-Fn
for *any* value of n < 10, but need to go back to double-check.
It's on a customer's machine.
Needless to say that I am not amused ("my" Debian installation has
sane defaults: it seems that keeping systemd away also helps on
those other things ;-)
Cheers
[1]
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/6jdyzy/cant_open_text_terminal_with_ctrlaltf1_any_longer/
I'd be thankful to anyone providing a linkable Debian resource
on that, preferably with some rationale.
- -- tomás
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Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 09:34:48AM -0400, Dave wrote: > > On 7/5/18 9:18 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote: > > > after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal ) > > > > > > the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up. > > > > > > I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated. > > By terminal, do you mean monitor? > > > > If so: > > > > 1. ctrl-alt-F1 > > 2. if that doesn't work, ctrl-alt-F2 > > 3. if that doesn't work, can you ssh in from another machine? > > > > The most likely issue is that your video card did not wake up > > from hibernation properly. > > > > There are various workarounds or fixes, depending on what kind > > of video card. > > > > -dsr- > > > > > Hello > > I mean display, screen, monitor, > the Ctrl Alt F1 F2 does not seem to work. > I have the Radeon HD 6850 Can you SSH in from another machine? If so, stopping and restarting the window manager (or the login manager) might reset things. This sort of thing has been fairly common over the years, and the usual workaround is to add chvt 2 to the hibernation script, which switches the video card out of graphics mode and into text mode, after which the hibernation continues and then when it resumes, you tap ctrl-alt-F1 or similar to get back to your X11 session. -dsr-
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On 7/5/18 9:18 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote: after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal ) the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up. I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated. By terminal, do you mean monitor? If so: 1. ctrl-alt-F1 2. if that doesn't work, ctrl-alt-F2 3. if that doesn't work, can you ssh in from another machine? The most likely issue is that your video card did not wake up from hibernation properly. There are various workarounds or fixes, depending on what kind of video card. -dsr- Hello I mean display, screen, monitor, the Ctrl Alt F1 F2 does not seem to work. I have the Radeon HD 6850 please advise.
Re: Fwd: terminal will not wak after hibernation
On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 07:33:12PM -0400, Dave wrote: > > after hibernation the terminal will not wake ( apparently, no signal ) > > the computer wakes, the keyboard lights up. > > I just installed deb 9.4 amd / the bios was just updated. By terminal, do you mean monitor? If so: 1. ctrl-alt-F1 2. if that doesn't work, ctrl-alt-F2 3. if that doesn't work, can you ssh in from another machine? The most likely issue is that your video card did not wake up from hibernation properly. There are various workarounds or fixes, depending on what kind of video card. -dsr-
