Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Alice Ferrazzi]

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David Fox wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Alice
> Ferrazzi wrote:
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>> apt-get install debian-cake
>
> The following packages are BROKEN:
>
> debian-cake:
>
>dependency problems - debian-cake depends on debian-candles, but is
> not installable
>
>
> someone has to file a bug against libicing too
>
> :)
>
>

they come from an unsecure and untrusted source :S
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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Dave Williams]

> Happy Birthday indeed, Debian.

> In another month or so I'll mark ten years with Debian.  I recall
> downloading 8 floppy images and then doing a net install.  Over dialup!

Yeah, I remember downloading a distro called something like
Soft Landing Systems, using my brand-new blazing fast 14.4 modem
and 5.25" floppies.

Had to fight with a fixed-sync monitor to get X going:  the first
attempt used only half the screen.  Of course, if I had to do it
again I'd have to relearn the whole process from scratch

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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[David Fox]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Chris
Bannister wrote:


> Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WusQjMnD0cs while you "eat" it.

Neil Sedaka? I almost threw up.

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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 01:52:00AM +0300, Alice Ferrazzi wrote:
> 
> apt-get install debian-cake
> happy birthday debian!!

Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WusQjMnD0cs while you "eat" it.

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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Brian]

> Cybe R. Wizard
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> Debian Linux is a solid, comprehensive product, and a genuine pleasure
> to use.  It is also great to become involved with the Debian collective,
> whose friendliness and spirit recalls the early days of the Internet and
> its sense of openness and global cooperation.
>     (can't find attribution)
> 
Isn't that the truth.  Debian and the Debian community are something very 
special.  It gives me reason for hope.

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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Dirk Neumann]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:47:00 -0500
"Cybe R. Wizard"  wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:26:20 +1200
> Chris Bannister  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 03:34:35PM +0530, Mihira Fernando wrote:
> > > Debian has hit sweet sixteen today!  :)
> > > 
> > > And, yes its already 16th of August in this part of the world..
> > 
> > Still a teenager! and already with a few descendants. :)
> > 
> And Debian's descendants have descendants.  Debian is a grandparent at
> 16!

A well designed OS must not be slow.

Dirk.


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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:26:20 +1200
Chris Bannister  wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 03:34:35PM +0530, Mihira Fernando wrote:
> > Debian has hit sweet sixteen today!  :)
> > 
> > And, yes its already 16th of August in this part of the world..
> 
> Still a teenager! and already with a few descendants. :)
> 
And Debian's descendants have descendants.  Debian is a grandparent at
16!

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whose friendliness and spirit recalls the early days of the Internet and
its sense of openness and global cooperation.
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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[David Fox]

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Alice
Ferrazzi wrote:
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> apt-get install debian-cake

The following packages are BROKEN:

debian-cake:

   dependency problems - debian-cake depends on debian-candles, but is
not installable


someone has to file a bug against libicing too

:)


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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Alice Ferrazzi]

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David Fox wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Chris wrote:
> 
>> Same here... Now, where's the cake?!
> 
> It's only an apt-get install away... ;)
> 
>> --
> 
> 
> 

apt-get install debian-cake

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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 03:34:35PM +0530, Mihira Fernando wrote:
> Debian has hit sweet sixteen today!  :)
> 
> And, yes its already 16th of August in this part of the world..

Still a teenager! and already with a few descendants. :)

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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[David Fox]

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Chris wrote:

> Same here... Now, where's the cake?!

It's only an apt-get install away... ;)

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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Chris]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:08:27 +0930
Dale  wrote:

> Happy Birthday Debian :-)
> 
> I have only been using Debian a couple of years, but it a great OS to
> be using :-)
> 
> Cheers
> Dale
> 
> 2009/8/16 Mihira Fernando :
> > Debian has hit sweet sixteen today!  :)
> >
> > And, yes its already 16th of August in this part of the world..
> >
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Same here... Now, where's the cake?!

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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2009-08-16 15:34:35, schrieb Mihira Fernando:
> Debian has hit sweet sixteen today!  :)
> 
> And, yes its already 16th of August in this part of the world..

And I have now 10 1/2 years Debian GNU/Linux usage:  starting with Slink
Being 8 years Debian GNU/Linux Consultant...  Time flys!

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Dale]

Happy Birthday Debian :-)

I have only been using Debian a couple of years, but it a great OS to
be using :-)

Cheers
Dale

2009/8/16 Mihira Fernando :
> Debian has hit sweet sixteen today!  :)
>
> And, yes its already 16th of August in this part of the world..
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Re: Happy birthday Debian

[Nate Bargmann]

* Mihira Fernando  [2009 Aug 16 05:07 -0500]:
> Debian has hit sweet sixteen today!  :)
> 
> And, yes its already 16th of August in this part of the world..

Happy Birthday indeed, Debian.

In another month or so I'll mark ten years with Debian.  I recall
downloading 8 floppy images and then doing a net install.  Over dialup!

- Nate >>

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Steve Lamb]

Mike Pobega wrote:
> I wish I was even using Debian for that long. I'm 18 now, been a user
> since I was 15, Debian Sarge. I grew up in a Windows household, so it
> was actually a big move for me to go to Debian at all

Well, if it is any consolation at 18 I was running a BBS based on SuperBBS
under DesqVIEW and later WME under OS/2 on a 386sx-16Mhz machine with 8Mb of 
RAM.

Slackware was 21 or so.  Debian was...  23ish.

And thank you so much for making me feel old.  ;)


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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[i'll teach you to turn away.]

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
SL> [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: us-ascii, 19 lines --]
SL> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:27:19PM +, i'll teach you to turn away. 
wrote:
>>   whoa. & i've been running it for 11. has anyone here been with 
>> debian from the start?
SL> Not I.  I came in somewhere between Bo and Hamm which places me solidly 
in
SL> the 10-11 year range.
SL> Debian 1.3 Bo (June 5th, 1997)
SL> Debian 2.0 Hamm (July 24th, 1998) 

i remember upgrading to bo. :D

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Mike Pobega]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:27:19PM +, i'll teach you to turn away.
> wrote:
> >   whoa. & i've been running it for 11. has anyone here been with
> > debian from the start?
>
> Not I.  I came in somewhere between Bo and Hamm which places me solidly
> in
> the 10-11 year range.
>
> Debian 1.3 Bo (June 5th, 1997)
> Debian 2.0 Hamm (July 24th, 1998)
>

I wish I was even using Debian for that long. I'm 18 now, been a user since
I was 15, Debian Sarge. I grew up in a Windows household, so it was actually
a big move for me to go to Debian at all

Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:46:49AM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> On Thursday 21 August 2008 09:30, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> > >> http://debian.org.ua/debian-archive/dists/bo/main/disks-i386/1997-10-13/
> > what's wrong with the files *.bin
> In VirtualBox OSE 1.6.2 it boots from the floppy, apparently and all I see is 
> the cursor in the firt line, not blinking and the CPU stays idle.

I cannot help about VirtualBox, but you can try other virtualization
methods (such as quemu, bochs) or a real hardware to understand if the
problem is in the *.bin files 

I suspect that the problem is not in the files, but in some
incompatibility with VirtualBox (or of your configuration of
VirtualBox). VirtualBox documentation/googling/forums might help.

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Shachar Or]

On Thursday 21 August 2008 09:30, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:44:51AM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> > On Thursday 21 August 2008 00:28, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> >> http://debian.org.ua/debian-archive/dists/bo/main/disks-i386/1997-10-13/
> >>install.txt (use your nearest mirror of debian-archive instead of
> >> debian.org.ua)
> >
> > I can't find the installation media.
>
> what's wrong with the files *.bin (in the same directory) for a floppy
> installation?

In VirtualBox OSE 1.6.2 it boots from the floppy, apparently and all I see is 
the cursor in the firt line, not blinking and the CPU stays idle.
>
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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:44:51AM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> On Thursday 21 August 2008 00:28, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
>> http://debian.org.ua/debian-archive/dists/bo/main/disks-i386/1997-10-13/install.txt
>> (use your nearest mirror of debian-archive instead of debian.org.ua)
> I can't find the installation media.

what's wrong with the files *.bin (in the same directory) for a floppy
installation?

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Marc Shapiro]

NN_il_Confusionario wrote:

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:58:46PM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
  
I wonder if there's a system somewhere that was never re-installed, only 
upgraded from one of the earliest versions...



yes 


but not on the disk where debian 1.1 was installed from floppy disks,
and not on the same cpu/motherboard. However the floppy drive should be
the same, I seem to recall. Clearly I do not count as reinstall the copy
of an existing installation.
  
Up until I installed Etch, that was the case for me.  One continuous 
upgrade since Bo, or Hamm, through to Sarge.  Sometimes the Hard Drive 
moved to another system, or a new MB was put in, or the system was 
cloned to another HD and then upgraded, but it never got a reinstall.


No part of my current desktop was actually in the computer that got my 
original Debian install, though there may be bits of that system still 
around in a box, somewhere.


  

It would be interesting to see what ruins can be found amongst the files.

That was one of the primary reasons that I did a fresh install when I 
switched to Etch.  Now Aptitude (in place of Apt) helps keep the cruft down.


P.S. I did the Etch install in a chroot in free space on the disk.  I 
should still have the Sarge install in currently unused partitions on my 
disk.


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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Marc Shapiro]

Steve Lamb wrote:

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:27:19PM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
  
	whoa. & i've been running it for 11. has anyone here been with 
debian from the start?



Not I.  I came in somewhere between Bo and Hamm which places me solidly in
the 10-11 year range.

Debian 1.3 Bo (June 5th, 1997)
Debian 2.0 Hamm (July 24th, 1998) 
  

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[s. keeling]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Shachar Or wrote:
> > I wonder if there's a system somewhere that was never re-installed, only 
> > upgraded from one of the earliest versions...
> 
>  I'm using it right now (of course, none of the hardware is the same...)
> 
> > It would be interesting to see what ruins can be found amongst the files.
> 
>  There's my fvwm configuration and my .emacs.  Both go all the way back to
>  my days on BSDI and both could be justifiably described as "ruins".

Might I solicit your opinion of 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Design

Interesting story.  If it had been done five years later, ...  Ten?


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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[John Hasler]

Shachar Or wrote:
> I wonder if there's a system somewhere that was never re-installed, only 
> upgraded from one of the earliest versions...

I'm using it right now (of course, none of the hardware is the same...)

> It would be interesting to see what ruins can be found amongst the files.

There's my fvwm configuration and my .emacs.  Both go all the way back to
my days on BSDI and both could be justifiably described as "ruins".
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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Shachar Or]

On Thursday 21 August 2008 00:28, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:33:05PM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> > On Wednesday 20 August 2008 23:21, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> > > Try it yourself using archive.debian.net : 1.3.1 is quite similar to
> > > the first release 1.1. Install that and upgrade to 2.0 then to 2.1 then
> > > ...
> >
> > Will certainly do! But how do I install that 1.1 version at all?
>
> Sorry for my bad english. I wanted to suggest the istallation of 1.3.1
> http://debian.org.ua/debian-archive/dists/bo/main/disks-i386/1997-10-13/ins
>tall.txt (use your nearest mirror of debian-archive instead of
> debian.org.ua)

I can't find the installation media.
>
> If you _really_ want 1.1 (with kernel 2.0.0), first install 1.3.1 then
> downgrade by compiling from source
> http://debian.org.ua/debian-archive/dists/Debian-1.1/source/
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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:33:05PM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 23:21, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> > Try it yourself using archive.debian.net : 1.3.1 is quite similar to the
> > first release 1.1. Install that and upgrade to 2.0 then to 2.1 then ...
> 
> Will certainly do! But how do I install that 1.1 version at all?

Sorry for my bad english. I wanted to suggest the istallation of 1.3.1 
http://debian.org.ua/debian-archive/dists/bo/main/disks-i386/1997-10-13/install.txt
(use your nearest mirror of debian-archive instead of debian.org.ua)

If you _really_ want 1.1 (with kernel 2.0.0), first install 1.3.1 then
downgrade by compiling from source 
http://debian.org.ua/debian-archive/dists/Debian-1.1/source/

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Shachar Or]

On Wednesday 20 August 2008 23:21, NN_il_Confusionario wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:58:46PM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> > I wonder if there's a system somewhere that was never re-installed, only
> > upgraded from one of the earliest versions...
>
> yes
>
> but not on the disk where debian 1.1 was installed from floppy disks,
> and not on the same cpu/motherboard. However the floppy drive should be
> the same, I seem to recall. Clearly I do not count as reinstall the copy
> of an existing installation.

Cool
>
> > It would be interesting to see what ruins can be found amongst the files.
>
> None, if you purge "obsolete or local packages" (with care since some of
> these old packages were "essential" at their times)

I bet someone forgot something somewhere, policy or not!
>
> What you want to be present, if you selectively decide what to purge.
>
> Even libc4 (for a.out binaries), if you keep all.
>
> Try it yourself using archive.debian.net : 1.3.1 is quite similar to the
> first release 1.1. Install that and upgrade to 2.0 then to 2.1 then ...

Will certainly do! But how do I install that 1.1 version at all?
>
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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[NN_il_Confusionario]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:58:46PM +0300, Shachar Or wrote:
> I wonder if there's a system somewhere that was never re-installed, only 
> upgraded from one of the earliest versions...

yes 

but not on the disk where debian 1.1 was installed from floppy disks,
and not on the same cpu/motherboard. However the floppy drive should be
the same, I seem to recall. Clearly I do not count as reinstall the copy
of an existing installation.

> It would be interesting to see what ruins can be found amongst the files.

None, if you purge "obsolete or local packages" (with care since some of
these old packages were "essential" at their times)

What you want to be present, if you selectively decide what to purge.

Even libc4 (for a.out binaries), if you keep all.

Try it yourself using archive.debian.net : 1.3.1 is quite similar to the
first release 1.1. Install that and upgrade to 2.0 then to 2.1 then ...

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Shachar Or]

I wonder if there's a system somewhere that was never re-installed, only 
upgraded from one of the earliest versions...

It would be interesting to see what ruins can be found amongst the files.

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Steve Lamb]

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:27:19PM +, i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
>   whoa. & i've been running it for 11. has anyone here been with 
> debian from the start?

Not I.  I came in somewhere between Bo and Hamm which places me solidly in
the 10-11 year range.

Debian 1.3 Bo (June 5th, 1997)
Debian 2.0 Hamm (July 24th, 1998) 

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[seeds]

wow



On Aug 18, 11:00 am, "Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 14 years!
>
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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Nate Bargmann]

* i'll teach you to turn away. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 18 14:51 -0500]:
> Chris Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CB> Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso wrote:
> >> 14 years!
> CB> 15 years even! :)
> 
>   whoa. & i've been running it for 11. has anyone here been with 
> debian from the start?

Not me.  I'll be celebrating nine years of Debian sometime in
September.  I'm still a newbie, I guess.  :-)

- Nate >>

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

John Hasler wrote:

crank writes:
whoa. & i've been running it for 11. has anyone here been with 
debian from the start?


I started with 1.1 (there was no 1.0).


And that was 15 years ago? 1993?


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[John Hasler]

crank writes:
> whoa. & i've been running it for 11. has anyone here been with 
> debian from the start?

I started with 1.1 (there was no 1.0).
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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Shachar Or]

What a nice thing, this is... an [1]interesting number by all means.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_(number)
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[i'll teach you to turn away.]

Chris Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CB> Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso wrote:
>> 14 years!
CB> 15 years even! :)

whoa. & i've been running it for 11. has anyone here been with 
debian from the start?

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Nate Bargmann]

* Chris Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 18 11:35 -0500]:
> Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
> > 14 years!
> 
> 15 years even! :)

15 is odd.  ;-)

HBD, Debian, the universal OS.

- Nate >>

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Nuno Magalhães]

> 15 years even! :)

Any "parties" happening in your area?
I attended one last saturday in Aveiro, Portugal.

Will there be a program to calculate the amount of alcohol in
home-made beer in the Debian repositories in it becomes of age? ;)

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Re: Happy birthday, Debian!

[Chris Burkhardt]

Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote:
> 14 years!

15 years even! :)


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