Re: Help: Embedded Debian
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Stefan Drees wrote: Hi, i´m using debian for now two years and i created lots of servers for our customers. I also tried to create an very small debian install with postfix, bind, dhcp, webmin, squid etc. I was able to cut it down to 100 MB but i want it make smaller. Are there any infos about creating an embedded system with debian or tips to make it smaller, also to hold it small :-) (log files etc.). I need also the possibilty (for the local admin) to administrate the server via web. I installed webmin, but with only the needed modules = 20 MB, any suggestions to get it also smaller? Thanks in advance for all links and tips. Each webmin module has lang and help sub-directories with translations. Also the main directory of each module has config.info.* files for each language. Deleting the languages you don't need will slim things down a lot. Also the msc3 theme (/usr/share/webmin/msc3theme) is unnecessary and can be deleted. (Be sure to change the webmin config to reflect this.) Using the .deb packages is not going to be easy so you might be better off just creating your own custom webmin setup in /usr/local. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help: Embedded Debian
Hello Stefan, I think you should read out the LINUX FROM SCRETCH HOWTO at www.tldp.org I think it is the solution to your problem. On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:04:23 +0200, Stefan Drees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i´m using debian for now two years and i created lots of servers for our customers. I also tried to create an very small debian install with postfix, bind, dhcp, webmin, squid etc. I was able to cut it down to 100 MB but i want it make smaller. Are there any infos about creating an embedded system with debian or tips to make it smaller, also to hold it small :-) (log files etc.). I need also the possibilty (for the local admin) to administrate the server via web. I installed webmin, but with only the needed modules = 20 MB, any suggestions to get it also smaller? Thanks in advance for all links and tips. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nayyar Ahmad Lecturer Faculty Of Computer Science, Institute Of Management Sciences, Hayat Abad Peshawar , Pakistan. Office : 92-091-9217404 , 9217452 Cell : 92-0333-9139461
Re: Help: Embedded Debian
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 07:04:23AM +0200, Stefan Drees wrote: Hi, i´m using debian for now two years and i created lots of servers for our customers. I also tried to create an very small debian install with postfix, bind, dhcp, webmin, squid etc. I was able to cut it down to 100 MB but i want it make smaller. Are there any infos about creating an embedded system with debian or tips to make it smaller, also to hold it small :-) (log files etc.). I need also the possibilty (for the local admin) to administrate the server via web. I installed webmin, but with only the needed modules = 20 MB, any suggestions to get it also smaller? Thanks in advance for all links and tips. Embedded Debian is a project to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects http://emdebian.sourceforge.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help: Embedded Debian
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Stefan Drees wrote: Hi, i´m using debian for now two years and i created lots of servers for our customers. I also tried to create an very small debian install with postfix, bind, dhcp, webmin, squid etc. I was able to cut it down to 100 MB but i want it make smaller. Are there any infos about creating an embedded system with debian or tips to make it smaller, also to hold it small :-) (log files etc.). I need also the possibilty (for the local admin) to administrate the server via web. I installed webmin, but with only the needed modules = 20 MB, any suggestions to get it also smaller? It depends upon your definition of an embedded system, but IMHO you can't build a real embedded system from a Debian base. I do this for a living and one of our first products was based on Debian 2.2 (potato) that I was able to cut done to a 64 MB filesystem size, that we compressed to around 13 MB and ran as a ramdisk using syslinux as the bootloader. But we needed to be much smaller than that so we created our own filesystem with only the applications we needed. Most embedded Linux's that I know of use busybox as the primary source of the normal Linux applications and then add whatever other applications that necessary for the functionality of the system. Currently our product runs on ARM and x86 processors and has a compressed filesystem size of around 3 MB that is mounted on a ramdisk and is 16 MB uncompressed. Depending upon how serious you are, here are some resources: A GREAT book on doing this sort of thing is Building Embedded Linux Systems, by Karim Yaghmour. There is a lot of stuff out on the web about this, but this book pulls a lot of it together, it is HIGHLY recommended. There is the Emdebian project that aims to have a embedded Linux distribution with the same sort of configuration that Debian has, but I'm not sure its useable at the current time (check it out, its been a while since I have). There is the Pengutronix distribution, which I think is pretty complete. There is also the uClinux distribution.
Re: Help: Embedded Debian
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 07:04:23AM +0200, Stefan Drees wrote: Hi, i´m using debian for now two years and i created lots of servers for our customers. I also tried to create an very small debian install with postfix, bind, dhcp, webmin, squid etc. I was able to cut it down to 100 MB but i want it make smaller. Are there any infos about creating an embedded system with debian or tips to make it smaller, also to hold it small :-) (log files etc.). I need also the possibilty (for the local admin) to administrate the server via web. How small? If you want to get really 'thin', you would probably have to move away from .deb packages, as they insist on including such cruft as 'documentation' :-) Maybe look at udeb packages, micro .deb format which is used by debian-installer. You will probably get more ideas from debian-embedded or debian-handheld lists. I recently got a Zaurus handheld so I am playing with stuff from http://pocketworkstation.org/ HTH, Patrick. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
