Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-13 Thread Markus Neviadomski
Am 13.05.2011 04:57, schrieb Aldyth Maharsha:
 I'm sorry i'm late for reply, yes it is old server but still used. I
 don't install any desktop and xserver, it is pure CLI because i'm
 install from debian netinst.
 

No problem, i also have to sleep ;)

Did you found any sleep or energy save or standby options in BIOS?

To recover the data from your broken disk, please use a tool like parted
magic (Ultimate boot cd), partimage, or clonezille to create a 1:1 clone
of the broken disk to a new disk. On the new one, you can run fsck
without pain or use one of the recovery tools on ultimate boot cd.

Markus


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcccb15.6040...@dieitexperten.de



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 5/12/2011 4:49 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:

Am 12.05.2011 11:41, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:



It's becoming very clear you've not been in the SA game very long...



SA?


System Administration


Two mirrored would be better, so $400-1200 USD.  This would
yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has now, and ~250MB/s
bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.



Never use a single drive for important data. Dont tell this idea to
other people please!


Apparently you don't read thoroughly either.  Note my words Two
mirrored above.


would be better here means: maybe we can do this, but without its also
ok. 95% of all financial bosses will choose cheapest solution, and this
is often not the better solution.


SSDs are inherently many times more reliable than [1]SRDs as they have 
no moving parts and dissipate very little heat.  They are electronic 
devices and thus can eventually fail, but the probability of this 
happening during a standard server's deployed 3-6 year lifespan is many 
times lower than with SRDs.


Backup/restore from/to SSDs using D2D systems or a tape library is many 
times faster than with RAIDED SRDs making mirroring/RAID less attractive 
with SSDs.  Using mirroring/RAID with SSDs can save you some downtime vs 
a restore, but that doesn't make it mandatory.  Ultimately, the decision 
to mirror/RAID SSDs (or SRDs for that matter) is left to the SA, based 
on his knowledge level of the technology, his risk analysis, his budget, 
etc.


[1] SRD - Spinning Rust Disk - antiquated magnetic storage devices that 
will likely disappear from the face of the earth in 20 years (or less).


--
Stan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dccce96.1010...@hardwarefreak.com



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 5/12/2011 5:05 AM, Lisi wrote:

On Thursday 12 May 2011 10:20:44 Stan Hoeppner wrote:

~$20k can buy you a 2 socket 24 core AMD Magny Cours HP server with 32GB
RAM, quad GbE ports, a 10 GbE PCIe x4/x8 NIC, LSI's top of the line PCIe
x8 RAID HBA with 1GB BBWC and 2 SFF8088 SAS ports, two LSI 24 drive 2.5
chainable SAS enclosures w/ internal expanders and 48 SAS drives of
300GB capacity and 15k spindle speed.


There is an important omission in this statement.  The sentence should
begin In the USA., as should any discussions by USA residents of the
cost of hardware.


The omission is yours Lisi.  You cut the immediately preceding paragraph 
which set the context for the remainder of that post:


This typically holds true in the US where the total cost of labor is 
far greater than hardware.  This is definitely not the case in 
'developing' countries, where the acquisition cost of a single tier 1 
server may very well be greater than an SA's yearly salary. 



Not all of us can buy our hardware in the USA, even if we can afford the
hardware, and prices outside the USA can be (in my experience usually are)
significantly higher.


You've just repeated the exact point I made in the email which you 
(wrongly) attempted to critique...


--
Stan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dccd3bf.4050...@hardwarefreak.com



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-13 Thread Aldyth Maharsha
I'm not yet check my server because user still access it in office hour.
Tonight i'm checking my BIOS, thank you for advice about data recovery, i
have rebuild recovery server using bacula backup system and now running in
my production system. If i'm still have problem, i post my problem again,
i'm from indonesian and cost for infrastructure like server, NAS, switch
almost two times more expensive than in US. But my company will migrate the
system to new server and i'm now setting up Xen CP for virtualization and
using glusterfs for distributed replicate storage. Very big thank you all
help in the list, i'm wanna try the advice and i hope this works. :-)

best regards,
Aldyth M


Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-13 Thread Jeroen van Aart

Markus Neviadomski wrote:

of the broken disk to a new disk. On the new one, you can run fsck
without pain or use one of the recovery tools on ultimate boot cd.


dd is your friend:
dd if=/dev/sdxx of=disk.image bs=250M

I always had good luck using that tool to recover bad disks and/or 
transfer images to new disks.


--
http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcce1e8.6010...@mompl.net



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-13 Thread Markus Neviadomski
Am 13.05.2011 09:46, schrieb Jeroen van Aart:
 Markus Neviadomski wrote:
 of the broken disk to a new disk. On the new one, you can run fsck
 without pain or use one of the recovery tools on ultimate boot cd.

 dd is your friend:
 dd if=/dev/sdxx of=disk.image bs=250M

 I always had good luck using that tool to recover bad disks and/or
 transfer images to new disks.


dd is for bitbyte junkies ;)  Mostly all other tools based on linux use
dd, thats why you could also use a tool with a friendly UI without problems.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcce7af.1000...@dieitexperten.de



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-13 Thread Aldyth Maharsha
I''m sorry i have using dd for long time ago, my data not corrupted just why
my server like sleep..thanks for your advise..:-)
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Markus Neviadomski
li...@dieitexperten.dewrote:

 Am 13.05.2011 09:46, schrieb Jeroen van Aart:
  Markus Neviadomski wrote:
  of the broken disk to a new disk. On the new one, you can run fsck
  without pain or use one of the recovery tools on ultimate boot cd.
 
  dd is your friend:
  dd if=/dev/sdxx of=disk.image bs=250M
 
  I always had good luck using that tool to recover bad disks and/or
  transfer images to new disks.
 

 dd is for bitbyte junkies ;)  Mostly all other tools based on linux use
 dd, thats why you could also use a tool with a friendly UI without
 problems.


 --
 To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
 with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact
 listmas...@lists.debian.org
 Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcce7af.1000...@dieitexperten.de




Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-13 Thread Klistvud

Dne, 13. 05. 2011 11:58:43 je Aldyth Maharsha napisal(a):

I''m sorry i have using dd for long time ago, my data not corrupted


You said you had a partition error in your original post?


just why my server like sleep..thanks for your advise..:-)


Like others have said, it's probably a setting in your BIOS that's  
doing it. Update it if need be, and check the BIOS Power management,  
especially the Power settings (APM/ACPI) and disable *all* power-saving  
features.


If that solves nothing, perhaps you have some hardware failure?

--
Cheerio,

Klistvud  
http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com
Certifiable Loonix User #481801  Please reply to the list, not to  
me.



--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1305293591.31550.0@compax



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Markus Neviadomski
Hi,

Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
RAM as file server for 200 users? No...

Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
system and everything is fine.


Am 12.05.2011 04:17, schrieb Aldyth Maharsha:
 Hi list i'm sorry if my english too bad :-)

 I'm using debian squeeze 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP running in machine AMD
 Sempron(tm)   2800+ with 1GB DDR
 I'm having trouble, my debian squeeze i'm using for samba file sharing
 and 200 user access that. My user using server for data sharing, myob,
 etc.
 My trouble is my server like sleep and if it's sleep i cannot ping,
 ssh and anything from another computer, to wakeup my server i must
 hit any button in the keyboard(server keyboard) and i can ping again
 and after 10-15 minutes it is sleep again. I'm using two harddisk,
 80GB(system and home partition but system and home partition located
 at different partition), 160GB(user data sharing like office file,
 accounting file).

 At second harddisk(160GB) have partition error but i can't using fsck
 because if i'm running fsck force it is can delete the important data
 because my backup server not running(down) and i must backup manually.
 My log file like syslog and kern.log did not show any error, it is
 running like my system is normal, i'm check with lsof +D /var/log my
 ryslogd runs well. My question is what causes my debian squeeze act
 like it?, i'm using debian from sarge, etch, lenny and i have never
 encountered this problem and i'm believe debian still best linux
 distribution i'm ever have..:-)

 Any idea list?, thanks before for helping

 Best Regards,
 Aldyth M


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcb88e8.4010...@dieitexperten.de



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Thursday 12 May 2011 09:14:48 Markus Neviadomski wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
 RAM as file server for 200 users? No...
 
 Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
 some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
 system and everything is fine.
 

Big help you are giving here! Maybe money is not the most common thing in 
Aldyth's country, and resources are used to their last extend.

So, Aldyth, are you running any desktop like kde, gnome? On my pc kde power 
managment set up itself by default to put everything to sleep after some time. 
I had to reset everything to previous setting. By the way, I think there is way 
for reporting a bug against powermanagment because it reset the settings every 
time it is updated.
Thierry


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201105120940.20407.tchate...@free.fr



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Jeroen van Aart

Markus Neviadomski wrote:

Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
RAM as file server for 200 users? No...


I think a 2800 Sempron will have no trouble serving files, even to 200 
people. Unless they all simultaneously started copying 10+ GB of data 
around on the server itself. But in my experience typical file server 
activity is sporadic with occasional bursts.


Besides the bottleneck with a file server normally is not CPU 
performance but network performance. You'd likely saturate the network 
bandwidth before you'd ever hog the CPU.



Am 12.05.2011 04:17, schrieb Aldyth Maharsha:

My trouble is my server like sleep and if it's sleep i cannot ping,
ssh and anything from another computer, to wakeup my server i must


Sounds like you have some power manager that's configured to put the 
system to sleep. I assume you have some desktop environment running on 
it. Try to access its power management configuration editor and turn off 
anything that makes it sleep after a certain time.


In gnome it's called power management in the 
debian-system-preferences menu.


Greetings,
Jeroen

--
http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/plural-of-virus.html


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcb9268.3040...@mompl.net



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Markus Neviadomski
Am 12.05.2011 09:40, schrieb Thierry Chatelet:
 On Thursday 12 May 2011 09:14:48 Markus Neviadomski wrote:
 Hi,

 Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
 RAM as file server for 200 users? No...

 Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
 some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
 system and everything is fine.

 Big help you are giving here! Maybe money is not the most common thing in 
 Aldyth's country, and resources are used to their last extend.

He wrote something about a partly broken harddisk or file system.
However, he has to buy some new disks. And by that, he could establish a
small software raid or use the big solution, a hardware raid controller.
Fileserver w/o backup and w/o working raid cause sleepless nights.

And the costs of hardware could be igored, if you have to recover broken
or lost data w/o raid or backup!

regards,
Markus
 So, Aldyth, are you running any desktop like kde, gnome? On my pc kde power 
 managment set up itself by default to put everything to sleep after some 
 time. 
 I had to reset everything to previous setting. By the way, I think there is 
 way 
 for reporting a bug against powermanagment because it reset the settings 
 every 
 time it is updated.
 Thierry




-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcb9a62.6060...@dieitexperten.de



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 5/12/2011 2:14 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:

Hi,

Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
RAM as file server for 200 users? No...

Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
system and everything is fine.


You didn't answer the OP's question.  And your upgrade recommendation is 
complete overkill.  A modern ~2Ghz Sempron can easily saturate a GbE 
pipe without using jumbo frames.  1GB of RAM is plenty for serving 200 
office environment Samba clients--512MB would even be sufficient.  If 
he's lacking performance it's due to insufficient head seeks bandwidth. 
 He didn't mention a capacity shortage and he currently has ~250GB of 
disk.  A single 250GB SSD would solve that problem instantly for 
$400-600 USD with an MLC drive.  Two mirrored would be better, so 
$400-1200 USD.  This would yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has 
now, and ~250MB/s bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.




Am 12.05.2011 04:17, schrieb Aldyth Maharsha:

Hi list i'm sorry if my english too bad :-)

I'm using debian squeeze 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP running in machine AMD
Sempron(tm)   2800+ with 1GB DDR
I'm having trouble, my debian squeeze i'm using for samba file sharing
and 200 user access that. My user using server for data sharing, myob,
etc.
My trouble is my server like sleep and if it's sleep i cannot ping,
ssh and anything from another computer, to wakeup my server i must
hit any button in the keyboard(server keyboard) and i can ping again
and after 10-15 minutes it is sleep again. I'm using two harddisk,
80GB(system and home partition but system and home partition located
at different partition), 160GB(user data sharing like office file,
accounting file).

At second harddisk(160GB) have partition error but i can't using fsck
because if i'm running fsck force it is can delete the important data
because my backup server not running(down) and i must backup manually.
My log file like syslog and kern.log did not show any error, it is
running like my system is normal, i'm check with lsof +D /var/log my
ryslogd runs well. My question is what causes my debian squeeze act
like it?, i'm using debian from sarge, etch, lenny and i have never
encountered this problem and i'm believe debian still best linux
distribution i'm ever have..:-)

Any idea list?, thanks before for helping


Yes.  Turn off all power saving features in the system BIOS.  A headless 
installation has no power saving by default AFAIK, so apparently you're 
running a GUI desktop.  Find the power management application in one of 
the control panels and disable all power saving features.  They only 
cause headaches on servers, as you've discovered.  Unless you truly 
*need* a GUI on your server console, get rid of it.  If you need a GUI 
to manage a Linux server then I'd say you really need to sharpen your 
admin skill set.


Best of luck.

--
Stan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcba149.1080...@hardwarefreak.com



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 5/12/2011 3:29 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:


And the costs of hardware could be igored, if you have to recover broken
or lost data w/o raid or backup!


This typically holds true in the US where the total cost of labor is far 
greater than hardware.  This is definitely not the case in 'developing' 
countries, where the acquisition cost of a single tier 1 server may very 
well be greater than an SA's yearly salary.


~$20k can buy you a 2 socket 24 core AMD Magny Cours HP server with 32GB 
RAM, quad GbE ports, a 10 GbE PCIe x4/x8 NIC, LSI's top of the line PCIe 
x8 RAID HBA with 1GB BBWC and 2 SFF8088 SAS ports, two LSI 24 drive 2.5 
chainable SAS enclosures w/ internal expanders and 48 SAS drives of 
300GB capacity and 15k spindle speed.


The cost of this system, in many parts of the world, may be double (or 
more) the yearly salary of the SA managing it.  In the US this system's 
price tag will equal about 1/4 to 1/6th the SA's total yearly 
compensation package, depending on the SA's state/city.


--
Stan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcba66c.6020...@hardwarefreak.com



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Markus Neviadomski
Am 12.05.2011 10:58, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
 On 5/12/2011 2:14 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
 Hi,

 Thats sound like a fake, sorry. A single-core CPU with a some piece of
 RAM as file server for 200 users? No...

 Buy a new hardware with 4 or 6 cores, 16GB RAM and a raid controller and
 some disks. Then copy your data from the old system on the new raid
 system and everything is fine.

 You didn't answer the OP's question.  

I did. The OP should get a hardware without errors (its the best time to
upgrade the hardware to a new one, but any old one is also ok) and do a
correct data recovery from his old disks to a new raid system. He has
200 users  behind his server. Nobody could do any work until the OP is
testing some BIOS settings or system configs without sleep mode,
recovering the file system and so on. Because of his question, the OP is
not very confident dealing with hard- and software, a new setup is the
best way with the fewest possible errors.


 And your upgrade recommendation is complete overkill.  A modern ~2Ghz
 Sempron can easily saturate a GbE pipe without using jumbo frames. 
 1GB of RAM is plenty for serving 200 office environment Samba
 clients--512MB would even be sufficient.  If he's lacking performance
 it's due to insufficient head seeks bandwidth.  He didn't mention a
 capacity shortage and he currently has ~250GB of disk.  A single 250GB
 SSD would solve that problem instantly for $400-600 USD with an MLC
 drive.  Two mirrored would be better, so $400-1200 USD.  This would
 yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has now, and ~250MB/s
 bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.

Never use a single drive for important data. Dont tell this idea to
other people please!





-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcba71c.2060...@dieitexperten.de



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Markus Neviadomski
Am 12.05.2011 11:20, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
 On 5/12/2011 3:29 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:

 And the costs of hardware could be igored, if you have to recover broken
 or lost data w/o raid or backup!

 This typically holds true in the US where the total cost of labor is
 far greater than hardware.  This is definitely not the case in
 'developing' countries, where the acquisition cost of a single tier 1
 server may very well be greater than an SA's yearly salary.

I know about that. But lost data couldnt be recovered, only rewritten.
There admin costs will get zero, if 200 users has to be rewrite all
there documents. The admin will need a grave!

 ~$20k can buy you a 2 socket 24 core AMD Magny Cours HP server with
 32GB RAM, quad GbE ports, a 10 GbE PCIe x4/x8 NIC, LSI's top of the
 line PCIe x8 RAID HBA with 1GB BBWC and 2 SFF8088 SAS ports, two LSI
 24 drive 2.5 chainable SAS enclosures w/ internal expanders and 48
 SAS drives of 300GB capacity and 15k spindle speed.

You are right...but, read my first post. I wrote about 4-6 cores. This
is a typical sandy bridge system with core i7. No real server hardware,
but fast enough for the OP, when his Sempron is working until today!
16GB Ram are possible and cheap enough for development countrys servers.


 The cost of this system, in many parts of the world, may be double (or
 more) the yearly salary of the SA managing it.  In the US this
 system's price tag will equal about 1/4 to 1/6th the SA's total yearly
 compensation package, depending on the SA's state/city.



-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcba9a6.9030...@dieitexperten.de



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 5/12/2011 4:23 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:

Am 12.05.2011 10:58, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:



a new setup is the
best way with the fewest possible errors.


It's becoming very clear you've not been in the SA game very long...


Two mirrored would be better, so $400-1200 USD.  This would
yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has now, and ~250MB/s
bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.



Never use a single drive for important data. Dont tell this idea to
other people please!


Apparently you don't read thoroughly either.  Note my words Two 
mirrored above.


--
Stan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcbab2e.9060...@hardwarefreak.com



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Markus Neviadomski
Am 12.05.2011 11:41, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
 On 5/12/2011 4:23 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
 Am 12.05.2011 10:58, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:

 a new setup is the
 best way with the fewest possible errors.

 It's becoming very clear you've not been in the SA game very long...
SA?

 Two mirrored would be better, so $400-1200 USD.  This would
 yield 50,000 seeks/second vs the 300 he has now, and ~250MB/s
 bandwidth, vs the ~160MB/s he currently has.

 Never use a single drive for important data. Dont tell this idea to
 other people please!

 Apparently you don't read thoroughly either.  Note my words Two
 mirrored above.

would be better here means: maybe we can do this, but without its also
ok. 95% of all financial bosses will choose cheapest solution, and this
is often not the better solution.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcbad3f.9030...@dieitexperten.de



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 5/12/2011 4:34 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:


You are right...but, read my first post. I wrote about 4-6 cores. This
is a typical sandy bridge system with core i7. No real server hardware,
but fast enough for the OP, when his Sempron is working until today!
16GB Ram are possible and cheap enough for development countrys servers.


The OP doesn't need more performance.  If so, he didn't state it here. 
He simply asked how to turn off the sleep mode.  He didn't ask how to 
fix his storage device issue.  It's probably safe to assume that the 
OP's storage device issues are due to reasons other than his skills as 
an SA.  Most likely, as we've seen this scenario before, he's stuck with 
a Sempron machine with only two small disks for 200 people because of a 
lack of funding.  If he had the funding, do you think he'd still be 
using such a machine as a server, even if it is adequate for his 
performance needs?


If I were him I'd likely find your comments a bit insulting, as you have 
implied he doesn't know how to manage his server upgrades or recover 
from a disk problem.  Again, note that he didn't ask for help with these 
basic issues that pretty much everyone on this list knows how to handle.


The only hardware he apparently *needs* right now is a disk or two, not 
a new server.


--
Stan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcbae22.9090...@hardwarefreak.com



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Lisi
On Thursday 12 May 2011 10:20:44 Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 ~$20k can buy you a 2 socket 24 core AMD Magny Cours HP server with 32GB
 RAM, quad GbE ports, a 10 GbE PCIe x4/x8 NIC, LSI's top of the line PCIe
 x8 RAID HBA with 1GB BBWC and 2 SFF8088 SAS ports, two LSI 24 drive 2.5
 chainable SAS enclosures w/ internal expanders and 48 SAS drives of
 300GB capacity and 15k spindle speed.

There is an important omission in this statement.  The sentence should 
begin In the USA., as should any discussions by USA residents of the 
cost of hardware.

Not all of us can buy our hardware in the USA, even if we can afford the 
hardware, and prices outside the USA can be (in my experience usually are) 
significantly higher.

Lisi


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201105121105.07292.lisi.re...@gmail.com



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Markus Neviadomski
Am 12.05.2011 11:53, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
 On 5/12/2011 4:34 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:

 You are right...but, read my first post. I wrote about 4-6 cores. This
 is a typical sandy bridge system with core i7. No real server hardware,
 but fast enough for the OP, when his Sempron is working until today!
 16GB Ram are possible and cheap enough for development countrys servers.

 The OP doesn't need more performance.  If so, he didn't state it here.
 He simply asked how to turn off the sleep mode.  He didn't ask how to
 fix his storage device issue.  It's probably safe to assume that the
 OP's storage device issues are due to reasons other than his skills as
 an SA.  Most likely, as we've seen this scenario before, he's stuck
 with a Sempron machine with only two small disks for 200 people
 because of a lack of funding.  If he had the funding, do you think
 he'd still be using such a machine as a server, even if it is adequate
 for his performance needs?
Nobody assumed that the op has performance issues. In the past, mostly
all issues with sempron systems are caused by partly broken mainboards
oper power supplies. His system description sounds like an old sempron,
not a new AM3-one. You may do trialerror which such a crappy system, i
offer an other solution. If the OP could not by hardware, he may write this.

 If I were him I'd likely find your comments a bit insulting, as you
 have implied he doesn't know how to manage his server upgrades or
 recover from a disk problem.  Again, note that he didn't ask for help
 with these basic issues that pretty much everyone on this list knows
 how to handle.
Knowledge about sleep mode is a basic knowledge, admins should have. 
The OP doesnt have these knowledge i thought. Maybe he needs help on
other topics too. A good supporter offer help not only for the problem,
the customer askes for.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcbb304.4070...@dieitexperten.de



Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Aldyth Maharsha
I'm sorry i'm late for reply, yes it is old server but still used. I don't
install any desktop and xserver, it is pure CLI because i'm install from
debian netinst.

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Markus Neviadomski
li...@dieitexperten.dewrote:

 Am 12.05.2011 11:53, schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
  On 5/12/2011 4:34 AM, Markus Neviadomski wrote:
 
  You are right...but, read my first post. I wrote about 4-6 cores. This
  is a typical sandy bridge system with core i7. No real server hardware,
  but fast enough for the OP, when his Sempron is working until today!
  16GB Ram are possible and cheap enough for development countrys servers.
 
  The OP doesn't need more performance.  If so, he didn't state it here.
  He simply asked how to turn off the sleep mode.  He didn't ask how to
  fix his storage device issue.  It's probably safe to assume that the
  OP's storage device issues are due to reasons other than his skills as
  an SA.  Most likely, as we've seen this scenario before, he's stuck
  with a Sempron machine with only two small disks for 200 people
  because of a lack of funding.  If he had the funding, do you think
  he'd still be using such a machine as a server, even if it is adequate
  for his performance needs?
 Nobody assumed that the op has performance issues. In the past, mostly
 all issues with sempron systems are caused by partly broken mainboards
 oper power supplies. His system description sounds like an old sempron,
 not a new AM3-one. You may do trialerror which such a crappy system, i
 offer an other solution. If the OP could not by hardware, he may write
 this.
 
  If I were him I'd likely find your comments a bit insulting, as you
  have implied he doesn't know how to manage his server upgrades or
  recover from a disk problem.  Again, note that he didn't ask for help
  with these basic issues that pretty much everyone on this list knows
  how to handle.
 Knowledge about sleep mode is a basic knowledge, admins should have.
 The OP doesnt have these knowledge i thought. Maybe he needs help on
 other topics too. A good supporter offer help not only for the problem,
 the customer askes for.


 --
 To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
 with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact
 listmas...@lists.debian.org
 Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dcbb304.4070...@dieitexperten.de




Re: Help About Squeeze

2011-05-12 Thread Aldyth Maharsha
I'm sorry i'm late for reply, yes it is old server but still used. I don't
install any desktop and xserver, it is pure CLI because i'm install from
debian netinst.