Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 03:12:39PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > > CGA: 640 X 200 (8*8 font, 80chars * 25 lines) > > > DCGA: 640 X 400 (8*16 font, 80chars * 25 lines) > > > VGA: 640 x 480 > > > SVGA: 800 x 720 > > > XGA: 1024 x 768 > > > SXGA 1280 x1024 > > > UXGA: 1600 x1440 > > > > [snip] > > On a slightly different note, is there much point in going to the higher > resolutions even if they are available? My monitor will go up to > 1600x1440 but in practice I don't find any use in going above 1024x768. > I know the argument is that you can have more windows open but this > means you have to squint at small type. If you make the type larger you > are back where you started. > > I therefore leave mine at 1024x768 and (in icewm) have 9 desktops with > different apps on each. This seems to me more sensible, or am I missing > something? Personal preference, and monitor size, I suspect. I have a 19" monitor where I regularly run 1600x1200; I like being able to have a lot of terminal windows open on the same desktop when I'm coding. My sparc has a 20" monitor; I run 1280x1024 there. I find 1024x768 to be irritating (but obviously YMMV :-) -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. -- Ramsey Clark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Ross Boylan wrote: > anything else). Second, you can change your font on the fly or via X > resources or application default settings. Indeed, I run a 20" Viewsonic 20G at the office here at 1600x1200. My xterms are set to use a 10x20 font, and I use icewm with the blueHeart scheme. Works very nicely for me, i can have 4 xterms open at roughly 80x25 size, or one huge one. Recycled it off a CADD user who was complaining it was a) fuzzy b) rounded screen. Fixed the fuzzy with 10 minutes of work to open it up and adjust the horizontal and vertical focus. Rounded, I don't care about. > An unpleasant trick of some monitor makers is to advertise high > resolutions which are unusable in practice because of low refresh > rates. At home, my Sony(sgi branded) 20" gdm-20e20, can only do 65hz at the maximum of 1600x1200. Powertweak let me push my geforce2 gts to 65 instead of 60, but it's just too small inWindows. On the bright side, you can pick these up cheap on leases.(for about 100 bucks!) Use the Sony 20SE drivers in Windows, or get ahold of powertweak. I usually work at 1280x960x75hz, as i find the non-squareness of 1280x1024 to be annoying. I'm not sure how annoying it would be on an LCD panel, which all of them seem to be stuck at that resolution. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:49:29AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: > nate wrote: > >Ross Boylan said: > > > >>I am looking for a way to get hardware accelerated 3d performance out of > >>my video card. For reasons detailed below, this seems to come down to the > >>need to start X in a lower resolution and depth than I > >>customarily use. I am looking for a good way to do that, or the > >>encouraging news that some other approach is possible. > > > > > > > >put the mode you wish to use on startup as the first mode. e.g. for my > >system I use 1600x1200 as my primary modeline, and my > >/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 has: > > > >Section "Screen" > >Identifier "Screen 1" > >Device "Nvidia Geforce3" > >Monitor "Viewsonic PF790" > >DefaultDepth 24 > > > >Subsection "Display" > >Depth 8 > >Modes "1024x768" > >EndSubsection > >Subsection "Display" > >Depth 16 > >Modes "1024x768" > >EndSubsection > >Subsection "Display" > >Depth 24 > >Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" > >EndSubsection > >EndSection > > > > > >you should be able to start multiple X servers by doing something like > >this on the command line > > > >startx -- :1 > > > >though, last time I tried I couldn't figure out a good way to specify > >a resolution to be used along with color depth on the command line if > >I wanted it in a different resolution, > > What I do is just make up a second Section "Screen" in the same > XF86Config-4 and give it its own identifier. When I want to use it I > just do: > > startx -- :1 -screen > > > Thanks to both of you for this very helpful information. I have a couple other points of information for those who may find this message, and some additional questions. It's necessary to omit higher resolutions from the modeline entirely. For example, Modes "640x480" "1024x768" starts the screen at 640x480, but this is on a virtual 1024x768 desktop. X always looks for the biggest size in determining the virtual desktop size. (There is a Virtual command in the Display subsection, but it operates just by knocking out the higher resolutions). Second, my card (Matrox Millenium G200) I could not get DRI until I loaded the agpgart and mga modules. I only discovered this from the README at Matrox's site (wonder if I should file a bug, of if I just missed it). This seems a little weird, since mga was undoubtedly loaded by XFree (though it has its own loader, I gather). My remaining questions or curiosities are, first, whether anyone can explain why DRI needed this extra help and second, whether there is an alternative to running startx as root. When I try it as non-root I get the error that I don't have permission to start X. This is consistent with some of the docs saying only root can start XFree. But it means I end up with the new session running as root, which is not a very safe way to play a game! (For reasons I haven't tracked down, it starts up an AfterStep session, though it's not my primary environment). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 03:12:39PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On a slightly different note, is there much point in going to the higher > resolutions even if they are available? My monitor will go up to > 1600x1440 but in practice I don't find any use in going above 1024x768. > I know the argument is that you can have more windows open but this > means you have to squint at small type. If you make the type larger you > are back where you started. > > I therefore leave mine at 1024x768 and (in icewm) have 9 desktops with > different apps on each. This seems to me more sensible, or am I missing > something? > > AC If you increase the resolution your type size will get smaller, but there are several ways you can make it bigger. First, check that X knows the correct dpi at your resolution. I found this helped a bit for me (at least kdm seemed to take it into account--not sure about anything else). Second, you can change your font on the fly or via X resources or application default settings. On the other hand, given the physical size of the monitor, some high resolutions won't make sense. For 17" 1024x768 is usually good, though I'm always tempted to push it a bit higher. You monitor and card may also put other limits on what's reasonable. An unpleasant trick of some monitor makers is to advertise high resolutions which are unusable in practice because of low refresh rates. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 10:12, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 20 Jan 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:10:20PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:39:29PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:50:45PM -0600, will trillich wrote: > > > > > all i can get is 800x600 which ain't much. :( > > > > > > > > > > i've googled for MEMOREX-TELEX (CDS-4583) and haven't found much > > > > > in the way of answers for horiz/vert refresh or clock speeds. > > > > > anybody know of a site somewhere that's got a collection of that > > > > > kind of info? > > > > > > > > CDS-4583 is P/N 955313-003 which is a '14" SVGA monitor'. My > > > > recollection of Super-VGA is that you could do 1024x768 at some crappy > > > > refresh rate like 60Hz ... but anything better than that is a long > > > > shot. > > > > > > Good google :) but SVGA is Super-VGA and only 800 x 720 ! > > > > > > CGA: 640 X 200 (8*8 font, 80chars * 25 lines) > > > DCGA: 640 X 400 (8*16 font, 80chars * 25 lines) > > > VGA: 640 x 480 > > > SVGA: 800 x 720 > > > XGA: 1024 x 768 > > > SXGA 1280 x1024 > > > UXGA: 1600 x1440 > > > > [snip] > > On a slightly different note, is there much point in going to the higher > resolutions even if they are available? My monitor will go up to > 1600x1440 but in practice I don't find any use in going above 1024x768. > I know the argument is that you can have more windows open but this > means you have to squint at small type. If you make the type larger you > are back where you started. > > I therefore leave mine at 1024x768 and (in icewm) have 9 desktops with > different apps on each. This seems to me more sensible, or am I missing > something? > > AC > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk > using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic > Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles I would say that it depends on how large of a monitor you are using - two low of a resolution on too large of a monitor is nearly as difficult to view (a former employer thought that they were doing a great thing over a decade ago by buying a 19" monitor for the machine they had me doing graphic design on, and then installed it set to 640x480.) I run 1280x1024 with 10 pt text and anti-aliased fonts on a 17" monitor, but that is because I am accustomed to that after years of typesetting. If I was running a larger monitor, I'd want a higher resolution (like when I replace this with a wide screen :)) ) but it is a question of individual comfort and eyesight ability (aka YMMV) -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On 20 Jan 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:10:20PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:39:29PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:50:45PM -0600, will trillich wrote: > > > > all i can get is 800x600 which ain't much. :( > > > > > > > > i've googled for MEMOREX-TELEX (CDS-4583) and haven't found much > > > > in the way of answers for horiz/vert refresh or clock speeds. > > > > anybody know of a site somewhere that's got a collection of that > > > > kind of info? > > > > > > CDS-4583 is P/N 955313-003 which is a '14" SVGA monitor'. My > > > recollection of Super-VGA is that you could do 1024x768 at some crappy > > > refresh rate like 60Hz ... but anything better than that is a long > > > shot. > > > > Good google :) but SVGA is Super-VGA and only 800 x 720 ! > > > > CGA: 640 X 200 (8*8 font, 80chars * 25 lines) > > DCGA: 640 X 400 (8*16 font, 80chars * 25 lines) > > VGA: 640 x 480 > > SVGA: 800 x 720 > > XGA: 1024 x 768 > > SXGA 1280 x1024 > > UXGA: 1600 x1440 > [snip] On a slightly different note, is there much point in going to the higher resolutions even if they are available? My monitor will go up to 1600x1440 but in practice I don't find any use in going above 1024x768. I know the argument is that you can have more windows open but this means you have to squint at small type. If you make the type larger you are back where you started. I therefore leave mine at 1024x768 and (in icewm) have 9 desktops with different apps on each. This seems to me more sensible, or am I missing something? AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:10:20PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:39:29PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:50:45PM -0600, will trillich wrote: > > > all i can get is 800x600 which ain't much. :( > > > > > > i've googled for MEMOREX-TELEX (CDS-4583) and haven't found much > > > in the way of answers for horiz/vert refresh or clock speeds. > > > anybody know of a site somewhere that's got a collection of that > > > kind of info? > > > > CDS-4583 is P/N 955313-003 which is a '14" SVGA monitor'. My > > recollection of Super-VGA is that you could do 1024x768 at some crappy > > refresh rate like 60Hz ... but anything better than that is a long > > shot. > > Good google :) but SVGA is Super-VGA and only 800 x 720 ! > > CGA: 640 X 200 (8*8 font, 80chars * 25 lines) > DCGA: 640 X 400 (8*16 font, 80chars * 25 lines) > VGA: 640 x 480 > SVGA: 800 x 720 > XGA: 1024 x 768 > SXGA 1280 x1024 > UXGA: 1600 x1440 Thanks, I will keep this list for future reference :) Once again someone has proved that my recollections are not as accurate as I would like. > In old days, it was not multi-sync monitor. No wonder you can only get > SVGA only. I guess that was the point I was trying to make; this monitor is so old the pain factor is quite high. I would not recommend running X on such a dinosaur. -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If man asks for many laws it is only because he is sure that his neighbor needs them; privately he is an unphilosophical anarchist, and thinks laws in his own case superfluous. -- Will Durant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:39:29PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:50:45PM -0600, will trillich wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:49:29AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: > > > What I do is just make up a second Section "Screen" in the same > > > XF86Config-4 and give it its own identifier. When I want to use it I > > > just do: > > > > > > startx -- :1 -screen > > > > but how do you FIGURE OUT WHICH RESOLUTIONS your monitor can > > handle? i've tried xvidtune, xf86cfg, xf86config, > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, discover read-edid (major > > lockup, there), xviddetect, XFree86 -configure... > > > > all i can get is 800x600 which ain't much. :( > > > > i've googled for MEMOREX-TELEX (CDS-4583) and haven't found much > > in the way of answers for horiz/vert refresh or clock speeds. > > anybody know of a site somewhere that's got a collection of that > > kind of info? > > CDS-4583 is P/N 955313-003 which is a '14" SVGA monitor'. My > recollection of Super-VGA is that you could do 1024x768 at some crappy > refresh rate like 60Hz ... but anything better than that is a long > shot. > I too have a couple of 14" monitors, interlaced ones to boot. I used to work at 1024x768 with interlace option earlier. X 4.x no longer supports that. On such machines running woody, I just installed X 3.3.6 and I could get 1024x768. Of course, with the flicker, etc. headache is assured :-) Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. Let us be charitable, and call it a misleading feature :-) -- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:39:29PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:50:45PM -0600, will trillich wrote: > > all i can get is 800x600 which ain't much. :( > > > > i've googled for MEMOREX-TELEX (CDS-4583) and haven't found much > > in the way of answers for horiz/vert refresh or clock speeds. > > anybody know of a site somewhere that's got a collection of that > > kind of info? > > CDS-4583 is P/N 955313-003 which is a '14" SVGA monitor'. My > recollection of Super-VGA is that you could do 1024x768 at some crappy > refresh rate like 60Hz ... but anything better than that is a long > shot. Good google :) but SVGA is Super-VGA and only 800 x 720 ! CGA: 640 X 200 (8*8 font, 80chars * 25 lines) DCGA: 640 X 400 (8*16 font, 80chars * 25 lines) VGA: 640 x 480 SVGA: 800 x 720 XGA: 1024 x 768 SXGA 1280 x1024 UXGA: 1600 x1440 In old days, it was not multi-sync monitor. No wonder you can only get SVGA only. > Pardon me, but I would classify that monitor as a "boat anchor". You > can get a far more capable 17" replacement for under $200 (probably > less if you check out the dumpsters at various corporations :) Maybe cheap LCD XGA (15 inch which is as big as 17 inch CRT), they are getting sub $300 Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:50:45PM -0600, will trillich wrote: > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:49:29AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: > > What I do is just make up a second Section "Screen" in the same > > XF86Config-4 and give it its own identifier. When I want to use it I > > just do: > > > > startx -- :1 -screen > > but how do you FIGURE OUT WHICH RESOLUTIONS your monitor can > handle? i've tried xvidtune, xf86cfg, xf86config, > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, discover read-edid (major > lockup, there), xviddetect, XFree86 -configure... > > all i can get is 800x600 which ain't much. :( > > i've googled for MEMOREX-TELEX (CDS-4583) and haven't found much > in the way of answers for horiz/vert refresh or clock speeds. > anybody know of a site somewhere that's got a collection of that > kind of info? CDS-4583 is P/N 955313-003 which is a '14" SVGA monitor'. My recollection of Super-VGA is that you could do 1024x768 at some crappy refresh rate like 60Hz ... but anything better than that is a long shot. Pardon me, but I would classify that monitor as a "boat anchor". You can get a far more capable 17" replacement for under $200 (probably less if you check out the dumpsters at various corporations :) -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When you're in command, command. -- Adm. Chester W. Nimitz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:49:29AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: > What I do is just make up a second Section "Screen" in the same > XF86Config-4 and give it its own identifier. When I want to use it I > just do: > > startx -- :1 -screen but how do you FIGURE OUT WHICH RESOLUTIONS your monitor can handle? i've tried xvidtune, xf86cfg, xf86config, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, discover read-edid (major lockup, there), xviddetect, XFree86 -configure... all i can get is 800x600 which ain't much. :( i've googled for MEMOREX-TELEX (CDS-4583) and haven't found much in the way of answers for horiz/vert refresh or clock speeds. anybody know of a site somewhere that's got a collection of that kind of info? -- There are 10 kinds of people: ones that get binary, and ones that don't. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/projects/newbiedoc -- we need your brain! http://www.dontUthink.com/ -- your brain needs us! Looking for a firewall? Do you think smoothwall sucks? You're probably right... Try the folks at http://clarkconnect.org/ ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
nate wrote: Ross Boylan said: I am looking for a way to get hardware accelerated 3d performance out of my video card. For reasons detailed below, this seems to come down to the need to start X in a lower resolution and depth than I customarily use. I am looking for a good way to do that, or the encouraging news that some other approach is possible. put the mode you wish to use on startup as the first mode. e.g. for my system I use 1600x1200 as my primary modeline, and my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 has: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen 1" Device "Nvidia Geforce3" Monitor "Viewsonic PF790" DefaultDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" EndSubsection EndSection you should be able to start multiple X servers by doing something like this on the command line startx -- :1 though, last time I tried I couldn't figure out a good way to specify a resolution to be used along with color depth on the command line if I wanted it in a different resolution, What I do is just make up a second Section "Screen" in the same XF86Config-4 and give it its own identifier. When I want to use it I just do: startx -- :1 -screen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
Ross Boylan said: > I am looking for a way to get hardware accelerated 3d performance out of > my video card. For reasons detailed below, this seems to come down to the > need to start X in a lower resolution and depth than I > customarily use. I am looking for a good way to do that, or the > encouraging news that some other approach is possible. put the mode you wish to use on startup as the first mode. e.g. for my system I use 1600x1200 as my primary modeline, and my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 has: Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen 1" Device "Nvidia Geforce3" Monitor "Viewsonic PF790" DefaultDepth 24 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" EndSubsection EndSection you should be able to start multiple X servers by doing something like this on the command line startx -- :1 though, last time I tried I couldn't figure out a good way to specify a resolution to be used along with color depth on the command line if I wanted it in a different resolution, so my workaround was to rename my XF86Config-4 after I started my initial X server for the 2nd one to load, then rename it back(if needed). I've only tried this once or twice, wasn't real useful to me. Changing out of an X virtual terminal is sometimes dangerous(can cause video hardware to hang on some systems). nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
