Re: Iceape/Seamonkey and Iceweasel/Firefox - was Re: Straw poll: What browser do you use?
On a slightly (more) off-topic question - does any one know how fnord Ubuntu gets around the Mozilla Corp. restrictions with Firefox? I know that Ubuntu's Firefox install comes with an addon named Ubuntu Firefox Modifications - I assume they just use that for all their changes. IIRC the FF branding is also in a seperate package.
Re: Iceape/Seamonkey and Iceweasel/Firefox - was Re: Straw poll: What browser do you use?
On 18/09/10 12:52, Bret Busby wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Scott Ferguson wrote: (a pyrrhic victory!) What? Rebirth from the ashes - Phoenix had complications so Firefox was chosen to symbolise the victorious rebirth of, um, - the spirit/ghost of Netscape(?). Supposedly the revenge of Netscape on fnord Microsoft. (anecdote) The story of the rising from the ashes (the nature of a phoenix), is unrelated to a Pyrrhic Victory. A Pyrrhic Victory is when one side wins a battle but loses the war. fnord Microsoft drives Netscape out of business to give greater market share to IE. Netscape releases source code which eventually contributes to IE losing market share... to which it could be said - that another such victory (by Microsoft) would bring them undone. I'm paraphrasing Another such victory and I am undone. - which is (one of) the quotes attributed to Pyrrhus. Disclaimer:- if I'm right it's because I remember the quotes of others correctly. Not trying to be argumentative - just trying to give the correct meaning of the term Pyrrhic Victory. No offence or argument taken. A little learning is a dangerous thing. Drink deep, or drink not, from the Pierian Spring - Alexander Pope; An Essay On Criticsm (1709) ( More official (?) version: A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again. ) We're going back 30+ years, but, when I was studying (and I don't remember much Pope) we had to learn the Satyricon (a little earlier than Pope), and this much I do remember This is the armour of genius–, Drink deep or taste not the Pierian spring, Only then pour out your heart (apropos of nothing). Either way - Macedonia is a hell of a long way from the USA ;-p -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c945d23.70...@gmail.com
Re: Iceape/Seamonkey and Iceweasel/Firefox - was Re: Straw poll: What browser do you use?
On 17/09/10 16:40, Bret Busby wrote: snip read that... (scott) /snip Please note: in an effort to trim the message to which I am responding, I cut most of it out, apart from the stuff above, and the stuff above Mozilla Corp, above, was posted by me, and from there down, was posted by Scott (to avoid confusion about misquoting). What about the differences between iceape and Seamonkey? Do they have the same funtionality? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. ...and I cut it further :-) Similar story to Iceweasel (note the lower-case w!) and Firefox. (Going from memory here - so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) Once apon a time there was Netscape suite - which became Mozilla suite (a pyrrhic victory!) which became Seamonkey - due to restrictions placed on it by the Mozilla Corporation, Debian produced the Iceape version. That's a little of the history. Differences:- logos, icons, names etc - plus Iceape is slightly more configurable (user-agent etc.) and security patches to older versions are unaffected by Mozilla freezes. Functionality:- slightly more with Iceape - but I haven't noticed any difference in performance. Now - IceWeasel and Iceweasel are/were not the same thing but that's another story. Hope that helps Bret, Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c9316e7.30...@gmail.com
Re: Iceape/Seamonkey and Iceweasel/Firefox - was Re: Straw poll: What browser do you use?
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 00:21, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/09/10 16:40, Bret Busby wrote: snip read that... (scott) /snip Please note: in an effort to trim the message to which I am responding, I cut most of it out, apart from the stuff above, and the stuff above Mozilla Corp, above, was posted by me, and from there down, was posted by Scott (to avoid confusion about misquoting). What about the differences between iceape and Seamonkey? Do they have the same funtionality? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. ...and I cut it further :-) Similar story to Iceweasel (note the lower-case w!) and Firefox. (Going from memory here - so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) Once apon a time there was Netscape suite - which became Mozilla suite In spirit only. Netscape 5 would have been a continuation of 4's code base, but they tossed it out and wrote Gecko from scratch. The browser built on Gecko was called Mozilla (which had been the Netscape code name since forever), later it was called Mozilla Suite to distinguish it from other Mozilla browsers. (a pyrrhic victory!) What? which became Seamonkey - due to restrictions placed on it by the Mozilla Corporation, Debian produced the Iceape version. That's a little of the history. Differences:- logos, icons, names etc - plus Iceape is slightly more configurable (user-agent etc.) and security patches to older versions are unaffected by Mozilla freezes. Functionality:- slightly more with Iceape - but I haven't noticed any difference in performance. Although the current version of SeaMonkey has more features than the old version that is Iceape Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=cu2-ftwtaxcsm2r+gfopzpzxyndmrm8mx9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Iceape/Seamonkey and Iceweasel/Firefox - was Re: Straw poll: What browser do you use?
On 17/09/10 23:14, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 00:21, Scott Ferguson prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com wrote: snip (Going from memory here - so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) Once apon a time there was Netscape suite - which became Mozilla suite In spirit only. Netscape 5 would have been a continuation of 4's code base, but they tossed it out and wrote Gecko from scratch. The browser built on Gecko was called Mozilla (which had been the Netscape code name since forever), later it was called Mozilla Suite to distinguish it from other Mozilla browsers. *nod. Thank you. (a pyrrhic victory!) What? Rebirth from the ashes - Phoenix had complications so Firefox was chosen to symbolise the victorious rebirth of, um, - the spirit/ghost of Netscape(?). Supposedly the revenge of Netscape on fnord Microsoft. (anecdote) which became Seamonkey - due to restrictions placed on it by the Mozilla Corporation, Debian produced the Iceape version. That's a little of the history. Differences:- logos, icons, names etc - plus Iceape is slightly more configurable (user-agent etc.) and security patches to older versions are unaffected by Mozilla freezes. Functionality:- slightly more with Iceape - but I haven't noticed any difference in performance. Although the current version of SeaMonkey has more features than the old version that is Iceape Cheers, Kelly Clowers I must be missing something there Kelly, I confess to very little use of either (mostly Iceape), but a quick check shows that we deploy both Iceape and Seamonkey (which implies a great deal of similarity), and both are the same version number (2.0.8 currently). What features does SeaMonkey have that Iceape doesn't? I can't find a feature list for Iceape - but then I can't see anything on http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features that Iceape doesn't do... and I've seen nothing in the Iceape lists to indicate that the reasons for the split have vanished (backporting of security patches, etc). On a slightly (more) off-topic question - does any one know how fnord Ubuntu gets around the Mozilla Corp. restrictions with Firefox? Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c9373fb.5060...@gmail.com
Re: Iceape/Seamonkey and Iceweasel/Firefox - was Re: Straw poll: What browser do you use?
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Scott Ferguson wrote: (a pyrrhic victory!) What? Rebirth from the ashes - Phoenix had complications so Firefox was chosen to symbolise the victorious rebirth of, um, - the spirit/ghost of Netscape(?). Supposedly the revenge of Netscape on fnord Microsoft. (anecdote) The story of the rising from the ashes (the nature of a phoenix), is unrelated to a Pyrrhic Victory. A Pyrrhic Victory is when one side wins a battle but loses the war. Not trying to be argumentative - just trying to give the correct meaning of the term Pyrrhic Victory. A little learning is a dangerous thing. Drink deep, or drink not, from the Pierian Spring - Alexander Pope; An Essay On Criticsm (1709) ( More official (?) version: A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again. ) -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.1.10.1009181043090.1...@bretnewworkstation.busby.net
