Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 02:21:34PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 06/03/14 14:05, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
  user@debian:~$ lspci |grep net 
  07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
  RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)

The Realtek RTL8111/8168 is one of those network controllers for which
there is a firmware package. I'm not sure if the device will work
without it, but if you're experiencing issues (which you are), you might
try providing the installer with the firmware. Instructions for  doing
so can be found here
https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation.

[cut]
 
  
  I took a picture of Alt+F4 with my phone: there is the day and date, 
  then kernel, then : 
  [331.933308] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0,sector 0
  [344.093778] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
  [344.093808] FAT-fs (fd0): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for
  FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive?
  [356.254249] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
  [356.254266] FAT-fs (fd0): unable to read boot sector
  [368.571020] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
  [368.571105] isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=fd0, iso_blknum=16,
  block=32

Do you have a floppy drive plugged in? If not, consider disabling it in
the BIOS. The errors above aren't necessarily a problem, but may slow
things down while the installer looks for a floppy disc. If you disable
the floppy drive in the BIOS, then the installer will know to not even
try.

If you DO have a floppy drive plugged in, then these errors are simply
the result of there not being a disk in the drive (they'd also appear
with a bad disc, but I don't think you can really tell the difference
with a floppy).

Not necessarily a solution, but a couple of things for you to try.


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 06/03/14 21:47, Darac Marjal wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 02:21:34PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 06/03/14 14:05, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
 user@debian:~$ lspci |grep net 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: 
 Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express
 Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
 
 The Realtek RTL8111/8168 is one of those network controllers for 
 which there is a firmware package. I'm not sure if the device will 
 work without it, but if you're experiencing issues (which you are), 
 you might try providing the installer with the firmware.
 Instructions for  doing so can be found here 
 https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation.

I've never used the Live DVD installer, but my guess is that the version
Gilles is using includes it, as he's able to access the internet (wired,
dhcp). Strange that the included debian-installer wouldn't include it -
perhaps that's not the problem, especially given the posted log.

 
 [cut]
 
 
 I took a picture of Alt+F4 with my phone: there is the day and 
 date,
snipped - if there's a next time, save yourself the typing and just
post the pic online somewhere with a link in your email. Your efforts
were appreciated.
 
 Do you have a floppy drive plugged in? If not, consider disabling it 
 in the BIOS. The errors above aren't necessarily a problem, but may 
 slow things down while the installer looks for a floppy disc. If you 
 disable the floppy drive in the BIOS, then the installer will know
 to not even try.

Agreed.
FWIW I suspect your problem is the floppy controller, not the network
card, but that's a possible secondary issue.

NOTE: there are known bugs with the installer and floppy drives due to
the number of undocumented, and um, unusual floppy controllers.
(For search engines) workarounds are documented here:-
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/blockdev/floppy.txt
In this instance the simplest solution is to temporarily disable the
floppy controller in the BIOS.

 
 If you DO have a floppy drive plugged in, then these errors are 
 simply the result of there not being a disk in the drive (they'd
 also appear with a bad disc, but I don't think you can really tell
 the difference with a floppy).
 
 Not necessarily a solution, but a couple of things for you to try.
 

Kind regards

P.S. thank Darac


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Brian
On Thu 06 Mar 2014 at 10:47:30 +, Darac Marjal wrote:

 The Realtek RTL8111/8168 is one of those network controllers for which
 there is a firmware package. I'm not sure if the device will work
 without it, but if you're experiencing issues (which you are), you might
 try providing the installer with the firmware. Instructions for  doing
 so can be found here
 https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation.

Some controllers work without firmware (possibly with reduced
functionality) so the OP could answer 'No' to the question about loading
missing firmware. He can connect to the internet using the Live CD so
this is an indication he should be successful when configuring the
network in the next step.

 
 Do you have a floppy drive plugged in? If not, consider disabling it in
 the BIOS. The errors above aren't necessarily a problem, but may slow
 things down while the installer looks for a floppy disc. If you disable
 the floppy drive in the BIOS, then the installer will know to not even
 try.

The messages are a result of d-i searching for firmware on an empty
floppy drive. They are harmless and can be ignored. The OP should either
provide firmware to d-i or answer 'No'.


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Reco
 Hi

On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 12:36:18 +
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:

 On Thu 06 Mar 2014 at 10:47:30 +, Darac Marjal wrote:
 
  The Realtek RTL8111/8168 is one of those network controllers for which
  there is a firmware package. I'm not sure if the device will work
  without it, but if you're experiencing issues (which you are), you might
  try providing the installer with the firmware. Instructions for  doing
  so can be found here
  https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation.
 
 Some controllers work without firmware (possibly with reduced
 functionality) so the OP could answer 'No' to the question about loading
 missing firmware. He can connect to the internet using the Live CD so
 this is an indication he should be successful when configuring the
 network in the next step.

Unsure about RTL8111/8168, but RTL8111/8168B works just fine without
any firmware with Wheezy's stock kernel. I didn't try enabling Jumbo
Frames, though.

Reco


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Gilles Pelletier

 [cut]


 I took a picture of Alt+F4 with my phone: there is the day and
 date,
snipped - if there's a next time, save yourself the typing and just
post the pic online somewhere with a link in your email. Your efforts
were appreciated.

I disabled drive A: floppy in the bios and tried again. The
installation jammed in the same place and I took a picture of ALT-F4.
Do you have a suggestion of where I should post this picture so that
you can see it? (preferably sans spam)

2014-03-06 10:08 GMT-05:00 Reco recovery...@gmail.com:
  Hi

 On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 12:36:18 +
 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:

 On Thu 06 Mar 2014 at 10:47:30 +, Darac Marjal wrote:

  The Realtek RTL8111/8168 is one of those network controllers for which
  there is a firmware package. I'm not sure if the device will work
  without it, but if you're experiencing issues (which you are), you might
  try providing the installer with the firmware. Instructions for  doing
  so can be found here
  https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation.

 Some controllers work without firmware (possibly with reduced
 functionality) so the OP could answer 'No' to the question about loading
 missing firmware. He can connect to the internet using the Live CD so
 this is an indication he should be successful when configuring the
 network in the next step.

 Unsure about RTL8111/8168, but RTL8111/8168B works just fine without
 any firmware with Wheezy's stock kernel. I didn't try enabling Jumbo
 Frames, though.

 Reco


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Reco
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 12:06:19 -0500
Gilles Pelletier pellg...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  [cut]
 
 
  I took a picture of Alt+F4 with my phone: there is the day and
  date,
 snipped - if there's a next time, save yourself the typing and just
 post the pic online somewhere with a link in your email. Your efforts
 were appreciated.
 
 I disabled drive A: floppy in the bios and tried again. The
 installation jammed in the same place and I took a picture of ALT-F4.
 Do you have a suggestion of where I should post this picture so that
 you can see it? (preferably sans spam)
 

http://imgur.com/

Reco


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Mark Carroll
Gilles Pelletier pellg...@gmail.com writes:

 Do you have a suggestion of where I should post this picture so that
 you can see it? (preferably sans spam)

http://imagebin.org/ is useful for this kind of thing.

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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Gilles Pelletier
Here is the picture. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem very clear.
http://imgur.com/cgdbULj
It mentions missing firmware files.

2014-03-06 12:28 GMT-05:00 Mark Carroll m...@ixod.org:
 Gilles Pelletier pellg...@gmail.com writes:

 Do you have a suggestion of where I should post this picture so that
 you can see it? (preferably sans spam)

 http://imagebin.org/ is useful for this kind of thing.

 -- Mark


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Brian
On Thu 06 Mar 2014 at 12:57:11 -0500, Gilles Pelletier wrote:

 Here is the picture. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem very clear.

It isn't, so I couldn't be bothered with struggling with it; just as you
appear not to be bothered by not following the advice given by, amongst
others, Darac Marjal. You could also read the installation manual and
look at the advice on providing firmware.

The floppy isn't the problem. Reading what is on the screen and elsewhere
is.


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Klaus

On 06/03/14 10:47, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 02:21:34PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 06/03/14 14:05, Gilles Pelletier wrote:

user@debian:~$ lspci |grep net
07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)


The Realtek RTL8111/8168 is one of those network controllers for which
there is a firmware package. I'm not sure if the device will work
without it, but if you're experiencing issues (which you are), you might
try providing the installer with the firmware. Instructions for  doing
so can be found here
https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation.


Well, have you tried this yet: quote from the above link

Firmware during the installation
(...)
Before starting the installation process on hardware unfamiliar to you, 
a suggestion is to download the firmware tarball for your installation 
and unpack it into a directory named firmware in the root of a 
removable storage device. When the installer starts, it will 
automatically find the firmware files in the directory on the removable 
storage and, if needed, install the firmware for your hardware. The link 
to the firmware download for your Debian version is 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/.



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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-06 Thread Mark Carroll
Gilles Pelletier pellg...@gmail.com writes:

 Here is the picture. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem very clear.
 http://imgur.com/cgdbULj
 It mentions missing firmware files.

It does: one can get them from the non-free firmware-realtek package.
The documentation on how to do all this is quite good.

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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-05 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 06/03/14 11:22, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
 I have been wanting to install Debian for a long time but have never
 succeded.
 Now I really want to succeed.
 Live dvd works well and connects to internet.
 Install stalls when detecting hardware.
 Graphical install stalls at screen titled Detect network hardware.
 What can I do?

Tell us more about your network hardware, and post the error messages
from the log console (press Alt+F4 to see it at that point in the
installation).

What motherboard are you installing to, what is your network (manual IP,
dhcp, how does it connect to the internet wireless/wired/tethered/modem,
etc).

You should be able to open a console in the Live DVD and get more
information about why it's successful when the installer is not.
$ lspci | grep net
$ ip a
$ ip route

The more information we have, the better we can advise a solution.

Kind regards


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Re: Installing Debian debian-live-7.4-amd64

2014-03-05 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 06/03/14 14:05, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
 user@debian:~$ lspci |grep net 
 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
 RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)

 user@debian:~$ ip a
 1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP
 mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
 link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00
 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 
 inet 127.0.0.1/8 http://127.0.0.1/8
 scope host lo inet6 ::1/128
 scope host valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2:
 eth0: BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP
 mtu 1500 qdisc
 pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000 
 link/ether 1c:6f:65:31:d2:26
 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 24.122.114.140/24 http://24.122.114.140/24
 brd 24.122.114.255 scope global 
 eth0 inet6 fe80::1e6f:65ff:fe31:d226/64
 scope link valid_lft forever
 preferred_lft forever 

 user@debian:~$ ip route 
 default via 24.122.114.1
 dev eth0  proto static 24.122.114.0/24 http://24.122.114.0/24
 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link
 src 24.122.114.140 169.254.0.0/16 http://169.254.0.0/16
 dev eth0  scope link  metric 1000

I'll ponder that later today when I'm free again, in the
meantime it'll be useful for others with suggestions.

 
 I took a picture of Alt+F4 with my phone: there is the day and date, 
 then kernel, then : 
 [331.933308] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0,sector 0
 [344.093778] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
 [344.093808] FAT-fs (fd0): utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for
 FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive?
 [356.254249] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
 [356.254266] FAT-fs (fd0): unable to read boot sector
 [368.571020] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
 [368.571105] isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=fd0, iso_blknum=16,
 block=32

Thanks, I appreciate the effort required.

 
 Then it seems to repeat.
 
 BTW, I have a double boot with windows. It's a weird setup in the
 sense that windows thinks it's on the first disk but it's on the
 second. That may be what the FAT stuff is about.

Those messages are about failures trying to read your floppy drive (fd0).

 
 The box the motherboard came in says : Gigabite GA-X58A-UD3R intel
 X58/1CH10R/rev.2.0 Socket1366/PCI-E2.0x 16/ATX 6 DDR 3/8-CH HD
 Audio/1394 GbE LAN/2 SATA 6Gb/s/2 USB3.0

Excellent!

 
 The modem is a Touchstone Telephony Modem by ARRIS TM822G/NA12
 connected directly.

If the Live DVD can use the connection it offers, the Debian installer
should be able to also.

 
 
 2014-03-05 21:06 GMT-05:00 Gilles Pelletier pellg...@gmail.com 
 mailto:pellg...@gmail.com:
 
 Internet is cable and wired. I don't know what tethered is. I think 
 dhcp, since it connects automatically. What command would I use to
 find out about my motherboard?
 
 
 2014-03-05 19:43 GMT-05:00 Scott Ferguson 
 scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com 
 mailto:scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com:
 
 On 06/03/14 11:22, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
 I have been wanting to install Debian for a long time but have
 never

snipped

 
P.S.
I understand you probably didn't have the time to read up on the
protocol for this mailing list:-
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists

Importantly, it makes it easier for others, and lazy posters like myself
if you use interleaved posting instead of top posting:-
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Interleaved

Plain text posts are strongly preferred:-
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Plain_text

Here's a simple guide to posting plain text with gmail:-
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