Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 12:41:30AM -0600, Andreas J. Guelzow wrote: > On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 21:15, stan wrote: > > > How did you get it upgraded to testing, given all teh current breakeage in > > testing? > > > > Interesting question. We are running a production computer lab that has > recently been upgraded to testing. Am I to expect that it is going to > start to fall apart soon? > Not if you don't use apt-get, or dselect :-) -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:41:55AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 11:15:56PM -0400, stan wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 12:47:49AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 02:01:47PM -0400, stan wrote: > > > > Is sound still also broken in testing? > > > > > > [Please don't send me private copies of list mail. I read the list.] > > > > Sorry, my mailer insists on sending mail back to the originator. I thinks > > it's because of the way the mailheaders come from the list :-( > > O catually have to explictly cc the list to get it sent there. > > Set 'subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in ~/.muttrc, then use 'L' > rather than 'r' to reply to list mail. Also, you can always edit headers > in mutt before sending the mail. Ah, that seems to have worked. Thanks! -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 05:08, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 12:41:30AM -0600, Andreas J. Guelzow wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 21:15, stan wrote: > > > How did you get it upgraded to testing, given all teh current breakeage in > > > testing? > > > > Interesting question. We are running a production computer lab that has > > recently been upgraded to testing. Am I to expect that it is going to > > start to fall apart soon? > > If it hasn't already, no. From now on it should really only be getting > better. > That's promising. I probably should have mentioned that we of course didn't simply upgrade the whole lab to current testing. We upgraded one machine,tried to make sure that it appears to work fine with the apps we have to run and then used systemimager to mirror the install onto the otehr machines. And ov vourse we still have an image of the previous install should something really starts going wrong. Andreas signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 12:41:30AM -0600, Andreas J. Guelzow wrote: > On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 21:15, stan wrote: > > How did you get it upgraded to testing, given all teh current breakeage in > > testing? > > Interesting question. We are running a production computer lab that has > recently been upgraded to testing. Am I to expect that it is going to > start to fall apart soon? If it hasn't already, no. From now on it should really only be getting better. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 21:15, stan wrote: > How did you get it upgraded to testing, given all teh current breakeage in > testing? > Interesting question. We are running a production computer lab that has recently been upgraded to testing. Am I to expect that it is going to start to fall apart soon? Andreas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
Colin Watson wrote: On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 11:15:56PM -0400, stan wrote: I don't know the problem you're referring to, so I have no idea ... smokey:~# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages have been kept back aspell aspell-en audacity avifile-mad-plugin avifile-mjpeg-plugin avifile-player avifile-vorbis-plugin avifile-win32-plugin avifile-xvid-plugin avview black-box bubblemon criticalmass debconf freeciv-gtk gcompris gcompris-data gcompris-sound-en gedit glunarclock gnome-applets gnome-mud gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session gnome-spell gnome-utils gnumeric gnumeric-python initrd-tools j2re1.3 libguppi16 libgwrapguile1 libopenal0 libsdl-mixer1.2 mc mp3blaster mplayer-k6 mysql-navigator pan penguin-command rockdodger sidplay-base simplecdrx soundtracker sox timidity tuxpaint vegastrike vorbis-tools wenglish xchat-common xine-ui xmms-modplug xmms-osd-plugin xmms-qbble xmms-sid xpenguins-applet 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 58 not upgraded. smokey:~# libvorbis0/libvorbis0a, probably. Guess so then. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep-available -e -FDepends 'libvorbis0[^a]' -s Package Package: kdebase-audiolibs Package: mpeglib Really more of a KDE transition issue than a libvorbis issue[I also tried installing all the packages listed and was pretty much successful[just needing to request the unstable version of gnucash to install all of them]]. Also, just to point out the obvious, apt-get upgrade is kinda a useless indicator, he should be doing apt-get dist-upgrade... pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 11:15:56PM -0400, stan wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 12:47:49AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 02:01:47PM -0400, stan wrote: > > > Is sound still also broken in testing? > > > > [Please don't send me private copies of list mail. I read the list.] > > Sorry, my mailer insists on sending mail back to the originator. I thinks > it's because of the way the mailheaders come from the list :-( > O catually have to explictly cc the list to get it sent there. Set 'subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in ~/.muttrc, then use 'L' rather than 'r' to reply to list mail. Also, you can always edit headers in mutt before sending the mail. > > I don't know the problem you're referring to, so I have no idea ... > > smokey:~# apt-get upgrade > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > The following packages have been kept back > aspell aspell-en audacity avifile-mad-plugin avifile-mjpeg-plugin > avifile-player avifile-vorbis-plugin avifile-win32-plugin > avifile-xvid-plugin avview black-box bubblemon criticalmass debconf > freeciv-gtk gcompris gcompris-data gcompris-sound-en gedit glunarclock > gnome-applets gnome-mud gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session > gnome-spell gnome-utils gnumeric gnumeric-python initrd-tools j2re1.3 > libguppi16 libgwrapguile1 libopenal0 libsdl-mixer1.2 mc mp3blaster > mplayer-k6 mysql-navigator pan penguin-command rockdodger sidplay-base > simplecdrx soundtracker sox timidity tuxpaint vegastrike vorbis-tools > wenglish xchat-common xine-ui xmms-modplug xmms-osd-plugin xmms-qbble > xmms-sid xpenguins-applet 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, > 0 to remove and 58 not upgraded. > smokey:~# libvorbis0/libvorbis0a, probably. Guess so then. > > > And a followup question, if I want to install a new system, what should I > > > do, just install stable, and accept that it will not be nearly as current > > > as my machines which have been tracking testing for a while? > > > > That depends what you're looking for. My server runs stable; my laptop > > (which is also my main development machine) runs unstable; my > > workstation at work ran stable up until late last week, and now runs > > testing because I wanted mozilla-firebird with anti-aliased fonts. > > How did you get it upgraded to testing, given all teh current breakeage in > testing? That clearly depends on what packages one has installed, doesn't it? As a work machine it has relatively little in the way of sound, flashy desktop environments, etc. The upgrade was flawless with the one exception of having to mess around with XKB a bit to get my Alt and Windows keys swapped over again the way I like them. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 12:47:49AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 02:01:47PM -0400, stan wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 05:27:26PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > > If it's filed in the bug tracking system, at the moment you just have to > > > look at the bug every so often, although there's some work outstanding > > > on letting you subscribe to bugs. > > > > > > If it's not, then you just have to look every so often. In the case of > > > GNOME, reading the debian-gtk-gnome mailing list would probably be your > > > best bet, if you aren't prepared to keep a very close eye on the state > > > of testing (which I try to do for other reasons). > > > > Is sound still also broken in testing? > > [Please don't send me private copies of list mail. I read the list.] Sorry, my mailer insists on sending mail back to the originator. I thinks it's because of the way the mailheaders come from the list :-( O catually have to explictly cc the list to get it sent there. > > I don't know the problem you're referring to, so I have no idea ... smokey:~# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages have been kept back aspell aspell-en audacity avifile-mad-plugin avifile-mjpeg-plugin avifile-player avifile-vorbis-plugin avifile-win32-plugin avifile-xvid-plugin avview black-box bubblemon criticalmass debconf freeciv-gtk gcompris gcompris-data gcompris-sound-en gedit glunarclock gnome-applets gnome-mud gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session gnome-spell gnome-utils gnumeric gnumeric-python initrd-tools j2re1.3 libguppi16 libgwrapguile1 libopenal0 libsdl-mixer1.2 mc mp3blaster mplayer-k6 mysql-navigator pan penguin-command rockdodger sidplay-base simplecdrx soundtracker sox timidity tuxpaint vegastrike vorbis-tools wenglish xchat-common xine-ui xmms-modplug xmms-osd-plugin xmms-qbble xmms-sid xpenguins-applet 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 58 not upgraded. smokey:~# > > > And a followup question, if I want to install a new system, what should I > > do, just install stable, and accept that it will not be nearly as current > > as my machines which have been tracking testing for a while? > > That depends what you're looking for. My server runs stable; my laptop > (which is also my main development machine) runs unstable; my > workstation at work ran stable up until late last week, and now runs > testing because I wanted mozilla-firebird with anti-aliased fonts. How did you get it upgraded to testing, given all teh current breakeage in testing? > Right now, systems running testing are actually substantially out of > date with respect to unstable, due to problems holding up chunks of > GNOME 2 and all of KDE 3, and more recently problems with glibc 2.3.2. > Once the latter is resolved I expect the former two to follow reasonably > soon. Great, so much for trying KDE to see if it's better than the new Gnome :-( -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-listbugs output question... was Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 01:09:24PM -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote: > Another trivia question for someone out there-- > > I noted the following bug types. Is the "pending upload" essentially a > fixed bug not in the dist yet? See the description of the pending tag under http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags. > Is "resolved" one which is fixed? Or is it different than "closed" ? Those are all synonyms (apart from a slight overloading of "fixed" in the Debian bug system to refer to a bug fixed in a non-maintainer upload). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 02:01:47PM -0400, stan wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 05:27:26PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > If it's filed in the bug tracking system, at the moment you just have to > > look at the bug every so often, although there's some work outstanding > > on letting you subscribe to bugs. > > > > If it's not, then you just have to look every so often. In the case of > > GNOME, reading the debian-gtk-gnome mailing list would probably be your > > best bet, if you aren't prepared to keep a very close eye on the state > > of testing (which I try to do for other reasons). > > Is sound still also broken in testing? [Please don't send me private copies of list mail. I read the list.] I don't know the problem you're referring to, so I have no idea ... > And a followup question, if I want to install a new system, what should I > do, just install stable, and accept that it will not be nearly as current > as my machines which have been tracking testing for a while? That depends what you're looking for. My server runs stable; my laptop (which is also my main development machine) runs unstable; my workstation at work ran stable up until late last week, and now runs testing because I wanted mozilla-firebird with anti-aliased fonts. Right now, systems running testing are actually substantially out of date with respect to unstable, due to problems holding up chunks of GNOME 2 and all of KDE 3, and more recently problems with glibc 2.3.2. Once the latter is resolved I expect the former two to follow reasonably soon. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apt-listbugs output question... was Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 05:27:26PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 08:51:06AM -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote: > > Silly question, perhaps, but I'm very unfamiliar with how one monitors > > whether a known problem still exists. > > If it's filed in the bug tracking system, at the moment you just have to > look at the bug every so often, although there's some work outstanding > on letting you subscribe to bugs. > > If it's not, then you just have to look every so often. In the case of > GNOME, reading the debian-gtk-gnome mailing list would probably be your > best bet, if you aren't prepared to keep a very close eye on the state > of testing (which I try to do for other reasons). Thanks, Colin. I just played a bit with apt-listbugs, and it seems to be the quickest way to update myself on this particular package. Trying 'apt-listbugs list libc6' gave the same output as I see in an apt-get operation. I've now also discovered [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... good, fuller source to follow apt-listbugs. Another trivia question for someone out there-- I noted the following bug types. Is the "pending upload" essentially a fixed bug not in the dist yet? Is "resolved" one which is fixed? Or is it different than "closed" ? grave bugs of libc6 (2.3.1-17 -> ) ... grave bugs of libc6 (2.3.1-17 -> ) ... critical bugs of libc6 (2.3.1-17 -> ) ... TIA, Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 05:27:26PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 08:51:06AM -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote: > > Silly question, perhaps, but I'm very unfamiliar with how one monitors > > whether a known problem still exists. > > If it's filed in the bug tracking system, at the moment you just have to > look at the bug every so often, although there's some work outstanding > on letting you subscribe to bugs. > > If it's not, then you just have to look every so often. In the case of > GNOME, reading the debian-gtk-gnome mailing list would probably be your > best bet, if you aren't prepared to keep a very close eye on the state > of testing (which I try to do for other reasons). > Is sound still also broken in testing? And a followup question, if I want to install a new system, what should I do, just install stable, and accept that it will not be nearly as current as my machines which have been tracking testing for a while? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 08:51:06AM -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote: > Silly question, perhaps, but I'm very unfamiliar with how one monitors > whether a known problem still exists. If it's filed in the bug tracking system, at the moment you just have to look at the bug every so often, although there's some work outstanding on letting you subscribe to bugs. If it's not, then you just have to look every so often. In the case of GNOME, reading the debian-gtk-gnome mailing list would probably be your best bet, if you aren't prepared to keep a very close eye on the state of testing (which I try to do for other reasons). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 04:09:12PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 10:51:36AM -0400, stan wrote: > > I've got a new laptop that I'm trying to set up. It's set up to use the > > testing distribution. I apt-get dist-upgraded today, and now Gnome (Gnome > > 2, I suppose) won't start. > > GNOME is partially broken in testing. (Haven't we covered this several > times before?) Colin, Silly question, perhaps, but I'm very unfamiliar with how one monitors whether a known problem still exists. I have held off updating my Sid system because of the libc6 problem, but only because of messages on this list and the apt bug function (thank you to whoever put that in! :). I'd guess the above question about Gnome possibly falls under my question as well. What do people do to find this out? I noted the thread about the libc6 problem under the specific bug number, but is that where one would track whether it was fixed? Or is there a more concise way to do it? Cheers, Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is Gnome working in teesting?
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 10:51:36AM -0400, stan wrote: > I've got a new laptop that I'm trying to set up. It's set up to use the > testing distribution. I apt-get dist-upgraded today, and now Gnome (Gnome > 2, I suppose) won't start. GNOME is partially broken in testing. (Haven't we covered this several times before?) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
