Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600, sys49...@hushmail.com in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi, For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? I use aptitude due to the fact that I received advice on this very list to use it as the preferred package manager several years ago. Supposedly it's better at resolving dependencies than apt-get. It works similarly from the console/term as apt-get. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
--- On Sun, 12/20/09, S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid wrote: From: S. Fishpaste s...@deer-in-the-headlights.ca.invalid Subject: Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 3:30 PM On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600, sys49...@hushmail.com in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: Hi, For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? I use aptitude I second that. Aptitude. /tony -- http://www.baldwinlinguas.com translations interpreting http://www.baldwinsoftware.com tcl yer os with a feather -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Friday 18 December 2009 04:39:49 Nick Boyce wrote: That's good to know. Now maybe I can remove the wrapper script for apt-get that I put on some of our Debian boxes at work for the benefit of other sysadmins who were accustomed to using apt-get, which simply displays You probably want to call 'aptitude' rather than 'apt-get', because .. blah blah. Cheers Nick Boyce Your users will still have to run autoremove manually. IMO, using two different package managers in a work environment will always make it harder to track everything that happened. Jens. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:59:28 -0500, Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 05:12:31PM EST, Allen Kenner wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:01:06 -0500, sys49...@hushmail.com wrote: [..] I also use FVWM, FVWM2, and FVWM95, and one other I can't remember the name of, called FVWM something or other, which looks really nice. fvwm-crystal That's it! Thanks, I forgot the name because I've only had to type that like once. It's very nice actually. CJ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 04:22:13PM EST, Allen Kenner wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:59:28 -0500, Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 05:12:31PM EST, Allen Kenner wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:01:06 -0500, sys49...@hushmail.com wrote: [..] I also use FVWM, FVWM2, and FVWM95, and one other I can't remember the name of, called FVWM something or other, which looks really nice. fvwm-crystal That's it! Thanks, I forgot the name because I've only had to type that like once. It's very nice actually. Had to be.. I did the same, actually.. used it once. :-) CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:45:29AM EST, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: [..] I still prefer aptitude because I make use of the interactive resolver. When running a mixed system like mine, it can be a great aid. IMO, the aptitude interactive resolver is much better than the similar offerings on all other OSes I've tried, and reason enough for me to keep coming back to Debian. I've never had to come back to debian. But that's because I never strayed. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the aptitude tips. I installed the docs package and the HTML is right where you all was said to be. :) Love debian for we are allowed to install a more simplified system. I can even pretend I am an early 1990s grad student and use fvwm if I wish. How cool is that? I do wish the font management was more simplified and structured though, but I guess we can't have everything. On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:09:34 -0600 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:45:29AM EST, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: [..] I still prefer aptitude because I make use of the interactive resolver. When running a mixed system like mine, it can be a great aid. IMO, the aptitude interactive resolver is much better than the similar offerings on all other OSes I've tried, and reason enough for me to keep coming back to Debian. I've never had to come back to debian. But that's because I never strayed. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wpwEAQMCAAYFAksqf/IACgkQ4ehG49WjwSomgwP/Y5k8Thb+At+Nu4Fx/1SxNZHBmCOQ AWRHJ+XDAb6yHOz9uNK6VIglxS5Jpuxf9Ka5OUPxlTGbqaFeAH8ijMaGKiLKnsKZYa0B rOLAKIU3sxMb2Y6y76dFVxQCH7ytFZQg0X1aDeswvdVgkELtfkd30WP+7mDgVckiFNIN gJxJbIE= =E5QN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
sys49...@hushmail.com: I do wish the font management was more simplified and structured though, but I guess we can't have everything. Thanks to fontconfig, I do find it rather simplified and structured. Just put your new fonts into ~/.fonts (locally) or /usr/local/share/fonts (system wide) and they are available immediately. As a font management program like Extensis Suitcase for MacOS, you can install fontmatrix. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:01:06 -0500, sys49...@hushmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the aptitude tips. I installed the docs package and the HTML is right where you all was said to be. :) Love debian for we are allowed to install a more simplified system. I can even pretend I am an early 1990s grad student and use fvwm if I wish. How cool is that? FVWM isn't that rare... I use it too. It comes standard on the installation for Debian, Slackware, and SUSE. I'm not sure if others do this since I don't really use many other Linux distros, but I know it also comes with FreeBSD as I use that too. I personally sometimes hear from people I'm weird because I don't stick with one Window Manager or one Desktop system. I use KDE and Gnome both, and then sometimes, I feel like using Enlightenment; Which I use quite a bit too, because of it's beautiful design. I normally use E016, but sometimes on Slackware, I use only E017, because I have a Slackware package that has all the required files to install Enlightenment E17 without me having to do much of anything. Basically, I grab the package, untar it, and then run one command, and it grabs and installs everything I need to run Enlightenment E17, on Slackware Linux. It's kind of neat because one of the machines I use Slackware on, is an old 433 MHz Celeron with 192 MBs of RAM, and oddly enough, I can use E17 on that box with Special FX, which doesn't lag at all. It's kind of cool really. I also use Window Maker a lot. I have SUSE Linux, Slackware Linux, and Debian installed on multiple machines along with FreeBSD, so I have a lot of stuff to toy with even though my hardware is getting very dated. That's one of the great things about Linux and BSD; I don't HAVE to upgrade my hardware to use new things. None of my machines would even work with Vista, so it's nice I can still use them. Window Maker is always nice, and I also use FVWM, FVWM2, and FVWM95, and one other I can't remember the name of, called FVWM something or other, which looks really nice. I use multiple Window Managers depending on what I feel like using, and of course stuff like KDE and Gnome, and even IceWM and the others. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 03:14:21PM EST, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: sys49...@hushmail.com: I do wish the font management was more simplified and structured though, but I guess we can't have everything. Thanks to fontconfig, I do find it rather simplified and structured. Just put your new fonts into ~/.fonts (locally) or /usr/local/share/fonts (system wide) and they are available immediately. As a font management program like Extensis Suitcase for MacOS, you can install fontmatrix. I would go a step further, and say that it is totally transparent. # apt-get install font-package This will install the font in the appropriate directory and bounce fontconfig to make the new font available to fontconfig-aware programs, which _may_ need to be restarted. I believe that this is not even necessary, at least for the mozilla suites. As to older software that still relies on Xorg to obtain its fonts, I'm pretty sure you only need to do an: $ xset fp rehash This covers the bases for just about anything that requires fonts on your system. As to TeX, and someone corrects me if I'm mistaken, things appear to be somewhat more involved, at least with the L07 version that ships with current debian distributions. Obviously, if you install fonts from tarballs, you will need to put them in a directory alreay known to fontconfig - or a subdirectory thereof, and cycle fontconfig manually, specifying -f | --force. If you want to keep them in a separate tree, you just add the directory or directories to /etc/fonts/local.conf before you ask fontconfig to refresh his cache. So, I don't know about structured, but I can't think how font management could be made any simpler. Maybe the problem is that font-related documentation is scant, more often than not obsolete, and at least where fontconfig is concerned, not what I would call user-oriented. This obviously concerns making new fonts available. As to configuring applications to use new fonts to display content, or one particular GUI to use them in its widgets, unless you stick with applications that belong to one particular desktop environment, that's a different story. I remember that not so long ago you could spend weeks tweaking fonts in debian - or other linux systems before you got them to look right in every place. Not any more.. font management is one area where things have become considerably easier lately. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 05:12:31PM EST, Allen Kenner wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:01:06 -0500, sys49...@hushmail.com wrote: [..] I also use FVWM, FVWM2, and FVWM95, and one other I can't remember the name of, called FVWM something or other, which looks really nice. fvwm-crystal CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:13:22 -0800 John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600 sys49...@hushmail.com dijo: ... For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? ... But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-aptitude I cannot figure out how to do that with aptitude: $ apt-get source cmake Thanks -- Mathieu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In 4b29bdbe.2090...@glimmer.adsl24.co.uk, Nick Boyce wrote: The main advantage of aptitude over apt-get (IMO) used to be (sarge/etch IIRC) that aptitude added extra info into the apt database flagging packages that were only installed as a dependency of some other explicitly installed package, so that a subsequent 'aptitude remove' of the explicitly-installed top-level package would also remove the dependency packages because apt now knew the packages were no longer needed. It kept cruft out of the system. Has that specific functionality been rolled back into apt-get ? Yes. Although it is not entirely obvious. (apt-get autoremove) will remove packages that are marked automatically installed but do not have anything currently depending on them. Thanks :) That's good to know. Now maybe I can remove the wrapper script for apt-get that I put on some of our Debian boxes at work for the benefit of other sysadmins who were accustomed to using apt-get, which simply displays You probably want to call 'aptitude' rather than 'apt-get', because .. blah blah. Cheers Nick Boyce -- You're not drunk, if you can lie on the floor without holding on - Dean Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
In bf0c3b3f0912171508se2c202tfeb4265367abc...@mail.gmail.com, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:13:22 -0800 John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600 sys49...@hushmail.com dijo: For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? I wouldn't say that the apt suite is being neglected. If you have some specific issues, I think we can explain them. If there are bugs, I think the apt team would certainly fix them. That said, the interactive resolver for aptitude probably won't be rolled into apt-get and it may be the best way to deal with complex dependency issues. But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades. I cannot figure out how to do that with aptitude: $ apt-get source cmake AFAIK, not possible with aptitude. (If I'm wrong, this is the Internet, so I expect to be corrected quickly.) This is not a use case for which I've ever seen aptitude suggested, and not even hardcore aptitude users would call for the removal of apt-get, or any of the rest of the apt suite. While I haven't used apt-get in quite a while, I still make extensive use of apt-cache and some use of apt-key. My opinion is that aptitude is a better package manager, but that is possibly limited to *binary* packages. The (vast) majority of packages users deal with are binary packages anyway. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
sys49...@hushmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'll look into aptitude and synaptic. I knew there were other comand line tools, but couldn't remember the names. apt-get has become very annoying lately. It seems that it can't handle dependencies as well, leaving me to install software by hand with 'dpkg -i'. Sometimes, it can't even find the package at all. Now it wants me to 'apt-get autoremove' telling me that The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: and then provides a long list containing predominately packages that I use on a daily basis. It looks like apt-get is daring me to hose my system. I just want to find something better. I have nothing against dpkg other than that I have to resolve the dependency issues myself. I still run apt-get update to make sure security patches are in place; I do wish that it was the tool I remembered it being years ago. Thanks for the tips! On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:24:36 -0600 Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:13:22 -0800 John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600 sys49...@hushmail.com dijo: ... For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? ... But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s- aptitude Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wpwEAQMCAAYFAksoGvsACgkQ4ehG49WjwSp2VgP+OfgMvxl5NadkcTp3YrDPvkthPl3P PQ60e8ghT/KRyr5Wlov9FDYNDoVlvIu3/DZslEwUDViJnvmAkOAbbWSKd5tFtobUdOcP b+bRGaU6mgoEnCS65slArKQ1fas5ZApHfaH1Nox7jzH8/Gyeg7mmBym6ooO3kKrZ/VGP QENIGmw= =TRc1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- It is important to understand that the higher level package management tools such as |aptitude| or |dselect| rely on |apt| which, itself, relies on |dpkg| to manage the packages in the system. As referd by Cellejar lookin on: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html -- -- You don't know where your shadow will fall, Somebody.- -- Ing. Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta ola...@gmail.com -- Personal Web Page -- http://olafrv.googlepages.com -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
Celejar wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:13:22 -0800 John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600 sys49...@hushmail.com dijo: ... For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? ... But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-aptitude Celejar It is important to understand that the higher level package management tools such as |aptitude| or |dselect| rely on |apt| which, itself, relies on |dpkg| to manage the packages in the system. As referd by Cellejar lookin on: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html -- -- You don't know where your shadow will fall, Somebody.- -- Ing. Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta ola...@gmail.com -- Personal Web Page -- http://olafrv.googlepages.com -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Joey Hess wrote: John Jason Jordan wrote: But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. A garbage collection shortcut for your memory: All of the old reasons to use aptitude instead of apt-get for command-line package installation no longer apply; those improvements have been rolled back into apt-get. Wow, really ? The main advantage of aptitude over apt-get (IMO) used to be (sarge/etch IIRC) that aptitude added extra info into the apt database flagging packages that were only installed as a dependency of some other explicitly installed package, so that a subsequent 'aptitude remove' of the explicitly-installed top-level package would also remove the dependency packages because apt now knew the packages were no longer needed. It kept cruft out of the system. Has that specific functionality been rolled back into apt-get ? Cheers, Nick Boyce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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Olaf Reitmaier Veracierta wrote: [123 lines snipped] It is important to understand that the higher level package management tools such as |aptitude| or |dselect| rely on |apt| which, itself, relies on |dpkg| to manage the packages in the system. As referd by Cellejar lookin on: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html er [cough] ... all 123 lines of the original quoted, as context for 7 lines of added value . V poor signal to noise ratio - please don't do that. Cheers Nick Boyce -- Goto, n.: A programming tool that exists to allow structured programmers to complain about unstructured programmers. -- Ray Simard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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In 4b29bdbe.2090...@glimmer.adsl24.co.uk, Nick Boyce wrote: Joey Hess wrote: John Jason Jordan wrote: But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. A garbage collection shortcut for your memory: All of the old reasons to use aptitude instead of apt-get for command-line package installation no longer apply; those improvements have been rolled back into apt-get. Wow, really ? The main advantage of aptitude over apt-get (IMO) used to be (sarge/etch IIRC) that aptitude added extra info into the apt database flagging packages that were only installed as a dependency of some other explicitly installed package, so that a subsequent 'aptitude remove' of the explicitly-installed top-level package would also remove the dependency packages because apt now knew the packages were no longer needed. It kept cruft out of the system. Has that specific functionality been rolled back into apt-get ? Yes. Although it is not entirely obvious. (apt-get autoremove) will remove packages that are marked automatically installed but do not have anything currently depending on them. This feature of both apt and aptitude has been confusing to many people -- particularly when they used the gnome or kde meta-package and them decided to uninstall some useless piece of cruft that was pulled in my the meta- package. I still prefer aptitude because I make use of the interactive resolver. When running a mixed system like mine, it can be a great aid. IMO, the aptitude interactive resolver is much better than the similar offerings on all other OSes I've tried, and reason enough for me to keep coming back to Debian. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On 14 Dec 2009, Joey Hess wrote: John Jason Jordan wrote: But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. A garbage collection shortcut for your memory: All of the old reasons to use aptitude instead of apt-get for command-line package installation no longer apply; those improvements have been rolled back into apt-get. -- I also prefer apt-get, via the frontend wajig. I did use aptitude a long time ago but gave up because it kept removing all sorts of things it shouldn't. No doubt it is much better now but I don't see the need to learn a lot of complicated stuff to replace what is already working well for me. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk - sample my ebooks at http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/acampbell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'll look into aptitude and synaptic. I knew there were other comand line tools, but couldn't remember the names. apt-get has become very annoying lately. It seems that it can't handle dependencies as well, leaving me to install software by hand with 'dpkg -i'. Sometimes, it can't even find the package at all. Now it wants me to 'apt-get autoremove' telling me that The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: and then provides a long list containing predominately packages that I use on a daily basis. It looks like apt-get is daring me to hose my system. I just want to find something better. I have nothing against dpkg other than that I have to resolve the dependency issues myself. I still run apt-get update to make sure security patches are in place; I do wish that it was the tool I remembered it being years ago. Thanks for the tips! On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:24:36 -0600 Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:13:22 -0800 John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600 sys49...@hushmail.com dijo: ... For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? ... But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s- aptitude Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wpwEAQMCAAYFAksoGvsACgkQ4ehG49WjwSp2VgP+OfgMvxl5NadkcTp3YrDPvkthPl3P PQ60e8ghT/KRyr5Wlov9FDYNDoVlvIu3/DZslEwUDViJnvmAkOAbbWSKd5tFtobUdOcP b+bRGaU6mgoEnCS65slArKQ1fas5ZApHfaH1Nox7jzH8/Gyeg7mmBym6ooO3kKrZ/VGP QENIGmw= =TRc1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
Aptitude is well worth taking the time to get to know, both in command line and in full-screen mode. For the User Manual, install aptitude-doc-en. The html manual will then be in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600 sys49...@hushmail.com dijo: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? I always use apt-get, mostly because I vaguely understand it. That is, I really prefer Synaptic, but when the command line is more efficient, apt-get is my choice. But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:13:22 -0800 John Jason Jordan joh...@comcast.net wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0600 sys49...@hushmail.com dijo: ... For several years, I have enjoyed apt-get as a very powerful software install tool that doesn't require a mouse, but I have been finding it increasingly problematic over the past year or so. I am beginning to suspect that apt-get is becoming aged and neglected. Is there a newer/more modern package tool that has been getting more development attention that I should be using instead? ... But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-aptitude Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is apt-get still the cool package installer?
John Jason Jordan wrote: But all the people in the know about Debian tell me I should be using aptitude. I suppose I should switch, but that would require learning new stuff. After a graduate degree my brain is full, so if I learn new stuff I'll have to delete some of the old stuff. Bah. A garbage collection shortcut for your memory: All of the old reasons to use aptitude instead of apt-get for command-line package installation no longer apply; those improvements have been rolled back into apt-get. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
