Re: KDE being removed?

2006-09-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-31 13:38:22, schrieb Hal Vaughan:
 On Thursday 31 August 2006 08:36, Michelle Konzack wrote:

  Then some hours later you come back and see you have Vista running...
 
  =8-O
 
 That's not funny.
 
 Actually, it makes me want to cry...

Yes, but it IS possibel to create a package, which use parted,
create a windows partition and install a windows network-version.

You can install Windows over the net in a light version which
copy only the minimal files or a full installation but it requires
the Enterprise version of Windows XP/2003 or the old Win NT 4.0.

We have already done this just for fun and it works.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-31 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-28 11:53:54, schrieb Kent West:

 It's been my experience than when running unstable, packages get b0rken 
 and things like this sometimes happen. As a general rule, if I'm paying 
 attention, I can stop the upgrade and try again in a day or two and 
 things go well. If I'm not paying attention and I remove something, 
 usually just a simple install again restores things, since removal 
 doesn't remove config files.

Imagine, you have NO CD/DVD and need to do an upgrade over the Net on
a slow link likt 256/512 kBit...

You start the apt-get --assume-yes dist-upgrade and go out of house.

Then some hours later you come back and see you have Vista running...

=8-O

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-31 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Thursday 31 August 2006 08:36, Michelle Konzack wrote:
 Am 2006-08-28 11:53:54, schrieb Kent West:
  It's been my experience than when running unstable, packages get
  b0rken and things like this sometimes happen. As a general rule, if
  I'm paying attention, I can stop the upgrade and try again in a day
  or two and things go well. If I'm not paying attention and I remove
  something, usually just a simple install again restores things,
  since removal doesn't remove config files.

 Imagine, you have NO CD/DVD and need to do an upgrade over the Net on
 a slow link likt 256/512 kBit...

 You start the apt-get --assume-yes dist-upgrade and go out of
 house.

 Then some hours later you come back and see you have Vista running...

 =8-O

That's not funny.

Actually, it makes me want to cry...

Hal


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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
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edwardsa wrote:
 I was doing an dist-upgrade and kde was being removed. Should I be
 concerned?

Using aptitude?

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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-28 Thread edwardsa

Ron Johnson wrote:

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edwardsa wrote:
  

I was doing an dist-upgrade and kde was being removed. Should I be
concerned?



Using aptitude?

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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-28 Thread Katipo
edwardsa wrote:

 Ron Johnson wrote:



 edwardsa wrote:
  

 I was doing an dist-upgrade and kde was being removed. Should I be
 concerned?
 


 Using aptitude?


   

 Using apt-get

If you use KDE, it's a definite concern.
If you don't, you're better off for a lighter system.

Which release were you upgrading from and to?
When using apt-get, it's generally better to do -u dist-upgrade so that
you can see what's going on, from my days of using it.
Regards,


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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-28 Thread edwardsa

Katipo wrote:

edwardsa wrote:

  

Ron Johnson wrote:



edwardsa wrote:
 

  

I was doing an dist-upgrade and kde was being removed. Should I be
concerned?



Using aptitude?


  
  

Using apt-get



If you use KDE, it's a definite concern.
If you don't, you're better off for a lighter system.

Which release were you upgrading from and to?
When using apt-get, it's generally better to do -u dist-upgrade so that
you can see what's going on, from my days of using it.
Regards,


  
I do use kde. I was just wondering whether this package has been 
subsumed by another. I'm running etch, and was just doing a routine upgrade.




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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-28 Thread Kent West

edwardsa wrote:

Katipo wrote:

edwardsa wrote:

 

Ron Johnson wrote:

   

edwardsa wrote:
 

 

I was doing an dist-upgrade and kde was being removed. Should I be
concerned?


Using aptitude?




Using apt-get



If you use KDE, it's a definite concern.
If you don't, you're better off for a lighter system.

Which release were you upgrading from and to?
When using apt-get, it's generally better to do -u dist-upgrade so that
you can see what's going on, from my days of using it.
Regards,


  
I do use kde. I was just wondering whether this package has been 
subsumed by another. I'm running etch, and was just doing a routine 
upgrade.


It's been my experience than when running unstable, packages get b0rken 
and things like this sometimes happen. As a general rule, if I'm paying 
attention, I can stop the upgrade and try again in a day or two and 
things go well. If I'm not paying attention and I remove something, 
usually just a simple install again restores things, since removal 
doesn't remove config files.


I believe kde is a virtual package anyway, removal of it shouldn't 
hurt you any.


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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-28 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 09:58:49 -0600, edwardsa wrote:
 I was doing an dist-upgrade and kde was being removed. Should I be 
 concerned?

The kde package is just a meta-package: It does not really contain
anything, but its dependencies make sure that a complete KDE system is
pulled in if you run apt-get install kde. (It depends on kde-core,
kdeadmin, kdeaddons, etc.)

I think your apt figured out that sacrificing the meta package would
allow it to perform a partial upgrade to KDE 3.5.4. kde should be
installable again as soon as the mirror that you are using has the
complete set of KDE 3.5.4 packages. For now you don't have to worry
about it, but it is worthwhile to install the meta-package again in a
few days so that you will automatically follow possible future changes
in the packaging of KDE on Debian.

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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-28 Thread Joe

edwardsa wrote:

Katipo wrote:

edwardsa wrote:

 

Ron Johnson wrote:

   

edwardsa wrote:
 

 

I was doing an dist-upgrade and kde was being removed. Should I be
concerned?


Using aptitude?




Using apt-get



If you use KDE, it's a definite concern.
If you don't, you're better off for a lighter system.

Which release were you upgrading from and to?
When using apt-get, it's generally better to do -u dist-upgrade so that
you can see what's going on, from my days of using it.
Regards,


  
I do use kde. I was just wondering whether this package has been 
subsumed by another. I'm running etch, and was just doing a routine 
upgrade.




Probably it's about to be upgraded. One of the packages on which it
depends has been upgraded and released early. If you were to install
that package, another package on which KDE depends would not be
compatible with it, so apt wants to remove it, and KDE with it.
You'll need to ask for each one of the list to be upgraded, and
not to do the one(s) which want to remove KDE.

You may want to try Synaptic, a graphical front end to apt. It
makes this game a lot quicker (unless you're a demon touch-typist,
and I'm not) and this is much more important with Sid. I'm regularly
asked if I'm happy to remove KDE, Gnome, X etc. and need to find
which of perhaps fifty packages is the bad guy.


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Re: KDE being removed?

2006-08-28 Thread Katipo
Kent West wrote:

 edwardsa wrote:

 Katipo wrote:

 edwardsa wrote:

  

 Ron Johnson wrote:

   

 edwardsa wrote:
  

 

 I was doing an dist-upgrade and kde was being removed. Should I be
 concerned?
 

 Using aptitude?


 

 Using apt-get

 

 If you use KDE, it's a definite concern.
 If you don't, you're better off for a lighter system.

 Which release were you upgrading from and to?
 When using apt-get, it's generally better to do -u dist-upgrade so that
 you can see what's going on, from my days of using it.
 Regards,


   

 I do use kde. I was just wondering whether this package has been
 subsumed by another. I'm running etch, and was just doing a routine
 upgrade.


 It's been my experience than when running unstable, packages get
 b0rken and things like this sometimes happen. As a general rule, if
 I'm paying attention, I can stop the upgrade and try again in a day or
 two and things go well. If I'm not paying attention and I remove
 something, usually just a simple install again restores things, since
 removal doesn't remove config files.

 I believe kde is a virtual package anyway, removal of it shouldn't
 hurt you any.

The fact that it's a meta didn't occur to me - and should have.
I thought you were referring to the entire KDE ensemble.

Almost definitely the case.
Don't worry about it - just go ahead (You keep back-ups?).

But from memory, I only ever used a 'dist-upgrade' command when I was
moving from a 'testing' release to an 'unstable' one, for example.
The rest of the time it was simply a sequence of the two commands
'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade'.
Others would probably be in a position to advise better.
Regards,


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