Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:59:03 +0200 Elie De Brauwer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no problems with applications like pan here. Everything works nice > the only disadvantage remote X has is that you just can't jump in into a > session that was open before. Yes, and which version of Pan is it? The problem is specific to GTK2 applications. GTK1 and QT apps are fine. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Logging into X remotely
XDMCP works great. Run XDM (or KDM, or GDM) on the Athlon. Run "X -query host-or-ip-of-athlon". Works great. I've been doing this for over a year, for very similar reasons... On Sunday 31 August 2003 17:45, Piers Kittel wrote: > Sorry about not being very clear... > > I'm just trying to explain what I would like to do - the requirements I > said earlier isn't set into stone - let me try again: > > I've got a 1.4GHz Athlon PC and a 100MHz 486 laptop. I'd like the > 100MHz laptop to "log in" and use the power of the Athlon rather than > processing everything locally on the 486 - as much as possible would be > nice. > > Cheers - Piers > > Carlos Sousa wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:19:42 -0700 Steve Lamb wrote: > >>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:16:00 +0100 > >> > >>Carlos Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:06:39 -0700 Steve Lamb wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:42:09 +0100 > > Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Is it possible at all for X on a computer to log in another > >computer remotely? > > Yes. Look into XDMCP. > >>> > >>>Another option would be VNC. > >> > >>Not with the parameters he specified. Eg local X server, no > >>remote X server. > > > > His post is not clear, but I think he means it the other way around > > (parenthesis are mine): > > > >I.e. one computer has XDM and WMaker on it, but without an XFree86 > >server (the client?), another computer has a XFree86 server (the > >server?), the computer with WMaker on, logs on to the XFree86 and > >shows the XDM login dialog box (???), and then logs into the server, > >and see the whole display just as if it was on the other computer? > > > > It's not exactly clear what he means, though, but this business of > > logging in to another computer's display is easily achievable with > > VNC, even if he has to scrap his original requirement details, > > whatever they were. > > > > Cheers, -- David Corbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:45:07 +0100 Piers Kittel wrote: > Sorry about not being very clear... > > I'm just trying to explain what I would like to do - the requirements > I said earlier isn't set into stone - let me try again: > > I've got a 1.4GHz Athlon PC and a 100MHz 486 laptop. I'd like the > 100MHz laptop to "log in" and use the power of the Athlon rather than > processing everything locally on the 486 - as much as possible would > be nice. Have you already tried my suggestion, or Steve's? I use VNC myself for just these cases, but XDMCP seems to be an equally feasible solution (never tried it myself). -- Carlos Sousa http://vbc.dyndns.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging into X remotely
Sorry about not being very clear... I'm just trying to explain what I would like to do - the requirements I said earlier isn't set into stone - let me try again: I've got a 1.4GHz Athlon PC and a 100MHz 486 laptop. I'd like the 100MHz laptop to "log in" and use the power of the Athlon rather than processing everything locally on the 486 - as much as possible would be nice. Cheers - Piers Carlos Sousa wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:19:42 -0700 Steve Lamb wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:16:00 +0100 Carlos Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:06:39 -0700 Steve Lamb wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:42:09 +0100 Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it possible at all for X on a computer to log in another computer remotely? Yes. Look into XDMCP. Another option would be VNC. Not with the parameters he specified. Eg local X server, no remote X server. His post is not clear, but I think he means it the other way around (parenthesis are mine): I.e. one computer has XDM and WMaker on it, but without an XFree86 server (the client?), another computer has a XFree86 server (the server?), the computer with WMaker on, logs on to the XFree86 and shows the XDM login dialog box (???), and then logs into the server, and see the whole display just as if it was on the other computer? It's not exactly clear what he means, though, but this business of logging in to another computer's display is easily achievable with VNC, even if he has to scrap his original requirement details, whatever they were. Cheers, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sunday 31 August 2003 13:47, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 04:39:17 -0700 > > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > XDMCP would be easier and better on bandwidth (thus faster). VNC is > > good when you need to display something graphical on a platform that > > never anticipated multiuser, networked environments (namely, MS Windows). > > This is not entirely true. GTK2 apps dog very badly over X whereas > with VNC the speed is acceptable. Prime examples are XChat and Pan. Both > are related to scrolling. > > In Pan paging up or down in the article listing takes 1-2 seconds to > redraw under X. W/VNC (well, TightVNC, Hextile, no compression) it is > nearly instantaneous. > > XChat also lags badly when scrolling the channel view. Under X when > there is quick chatter you'll get jerky 1/2-page scrolls. VNC (same as > above) it is almost as smooth as having the client on the local machine. > > I've done both and settled on TightVNC (server and client) because of > the above issues as well as the ability to access my desktop from multiple > machines w/o shutting it down and restarting. Most of the time my laptop's > got the display up but sometimes I want to just work on the main machine > (larger screen, nicer input devices, access to sound, etc) and fire VNC up > there in a shared session to take over. Of course I was (and still am) a > heavy screen user so there might be a precedent set there years ago. :) I'm currently working via remote X on my normal computer since my girlfriend has claimed my desk for study purposes. I'm currently on her portable booted using a knoppix cd and now remote X'ing on my regular machine and if I wouldn't know better I would say I were working live on that machine. On the 6 houres that my session is open i consumed approximately 200 megabyte of traffic over an 10mbit lan. I have no problems with applications like pan here. Everything works nice the only disadvantage remote X has is that you just can't jump in into a session that was open before. And if I use vnc on the same configuration and if I compare than remote X wins. my 2 cents ;) -- http://www.de-brauwer.be -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging into X remotely
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 12:16:00PM +0100, Carlos Sousa wrote: > > Yes. Look into XDMCP. > > Another option would be VNC. XDMCP would be easier and better on bandwidth (thus faster). VNC is good when you need to display something graphical on a platform that never anticipated multiuser, networked environments (namely, MS Windows). - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Ud5lUzgNqloQMwcRAqzDAJ9RJ9TBUruuaavSZ/U50GX/eu2JQACgkPTd godPF0nYTViVi4Xdv1V4b1U= =y5kX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 04:39:17 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > XDMCP would be easier and better on bandwidth (thus faster). VNC is > good when you need to display something graphical on a platform that > never anticipated multiuser, networked environments (namely, MS Windows). This is not entirely true. GTK2 apps dog very badly over X whereas with VNC the speed is acceptable. Prime examples are XChat and Pan. Both are related to scrolling. In Pan paging up or down in the article listing takes 1-2 seconds to redraw under X. W/VNC (well, TightVNC, Hextile, no compression) it is nearly instantaneous. XChat also lags badly when scrolling the channel view. Under X when there is quick chatter you'll get jerky 1/2-page scrolls. VNC (same as above) it is almost as smooth as having the client on the local machine. I've done both and settled on TightVNC (server and client) because of the above issues as well as the ability to access my desktop from multiple machines w/o shutting it down and restarting. Most of the time my laptop's got the display up but sometimes I want to just work on the main machine (larger screen, nicer input devices, access to sound, etc) and fire VNC up there in a shared session to take over. Of course I was (and still am) a heavy screen user so there might be a precedent set there years ago. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Logging into X remotely
Piers Kittel wrote: Hello all Is it possible at all for X on a computer to log in another computer remotely? I.e. one computer has XDM and WMaker on it, but without an XFree86 server, another computer has a XFree86 server, the computer with WMaker on, logs on to the XFree86 and shows the XDM login dialog box, and then logs into the server, and see the whole display just as if it was on the other computer? A bit like console views over SSH? Well, actually one has to have XFree86, and the other has the rest. I have put some instructions together at http://stefan.waidele.info/lanremote.html I hope you enjoy it, Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:38:13 +0100 Carlos Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not exactly clear what he means, though, but this business of > logging in to another computer's display is easily achievable with > VNC, even if he has to scrap his original requirement details, > whatever they were. Hm, you're right. Both are viable and, truth be told, I prefer to point people to VNC (esp. tight) over X. There are some things XDMCP can do that VNC cannot but overall VNC seems to be easier and quicker in some instances. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:19:42 -0700 Steve Lamb wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:16:00 +0100 > Carlos Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:06:39 -0700 Steve Lamb wrote: > > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:42:09 +0100 > > > Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Is it possible at all for X on a computer to log in another > > > > computer remotely? > > > > Yes. Look into XDMCP. > > > Another option would be VNC. > > Not with the parameters he specified. Eg local X server, no > remote X server. His post is not clear, but I think he means it the other way around (parenthesis are mine): I.e. one computer has XDM and WMaker on it, but without an XFree86 server (the client?), another computer has a XFree86 server (the server?), the computer with WMaker on, logs on to the XFree86 and shows the XDM login dialog box (???), and then logs into the server, and see the whole display just as if it was on the other computer? It's not exactly clear what he means, though, but this business of logging in to another computer's display is easily achievable with VNC, even if he has to scrap his original requirement details, whatever they were. Cheers, -- Carlos Sousa http://vbc.dyndns.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:16:00 +0100 Carlos Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:06:39 -0700 Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:42:09 +0100 > > Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is it possible at all for X on a computer to log in another computer > > > remotely? > > Yes. Look into XDMCP. > Another option would be VNC. Not with the parameters he specified. Eg local X server, no remote X server. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:06:39 -0700 Steve Lamb wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:42:09 +0100 > Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it possible at all for X on a computer to log in another computer > > > > remotely? > > Yes. Look into XDMCP. Another option would be VNC. -- Carlos Sousa http://vbc.dyndns.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging into X remotely
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:42:09 +0100 Piers Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible at all for X on a computer to log in another computer > remotely? Yes. Look into XDMCP. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
