RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup
This worked GREAT...although it only saved me 1MB in my final LiveCD ISO but hey...it is a start. I guess it is all about how you enter your package list...I put what I really wanted before xserver-xorg and it worked like a champ...none of that extra stuff. Thanks a lot. -Yorke -Original Message- From: Kevin B. McCarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:31 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup Stephen Yorke wrote: > I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all > the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff...I do not know exactly how much overhead > these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver > and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the > usage of just the VESA driver? If you're using aptitude or apt-get at the command line, try putting xserver-xorg-video-vesa at the beginning of the list, like this: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg [...] or else just install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST and then all the other stuff in a second run. The trick here is that the -vesa package Provides "xserver-xorg-video". So if you install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST, then xserver-xorg's dependency on "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video" is satisfied without APT having to pull in xserver-xorg-video-all (a meta-package that, as its name says, pulls in every video driver). Similarly you can specify a particular package that Provides "xserver-xorg-input" to prevent the xserver-xorg-input-all meta-package from pulling in all the input drivers. Just make sure you know exactly which one you need! And if you change your hardware in the future, remember that you may need to install new -video- and/or -input- packages to suit. best regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:31:28PM -0700, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: [...] > The trick here is that the -vesa package Provides "xserver-xorg-video". > So if you install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST, then xserver-xorg's > dependency on "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video" is satisfied > without APT having to pull in xserver-xorg-video-all (a meta-package > that, as its name says, pulls in every video driver). Is it really true that apt-get (or aptitude) doesn't realise that a dependency has been satisfied if the package that satisfies it is listed later in the command line? That doesn't sound very clever. Or is there a good reason for it? -- David Jardine "Running Debian GNU/Linux and loving every minute of it." -L. von Sacher-M.(1835-1895) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
Kevin Mark wrote: > Hi Stephen, > 'x-window-system-core' < 'x-window-system', so install the former. Nope, they're exactly the same in Etch and Sid. Assuming there are no sarge, sarge security, or backports entries in your sources.list, try apt-cache show x-window-system-core | egrep '^(Depend|Suggest|Recomm)' apt-cache show x-window-system | egrep '^(Depend|Suggest|Recomm)' to see for yourself. Unfortunately there seems not to be an "xorg-core" meta-package. > but it maybe the dpkg front-end that you are using that is adding > 'suggests'. aptitude normally adds this, so you may see more things ^^ ITYM "recommends" > being downloaded. So checkout the aptitude options to turn this off and > it will install less things. best regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
"Kevin B. McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stephen Yorke wrote: > > > I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all > > the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff...I do not know exactly how much overhead > > these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver > > and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the > > usage of just the VESA driver? > > If you're using aptitude or apt-get at the command line, try putting > xserver-xorg-video-vesa at the beginning of the list, like this: > > aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg [...] > > or else just install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST and then all the > other stuff in a second run. > > The trick here is that the -vesa package Provides "xserver-xorg-video". > So if you install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST, then xserver-xorg's > dependency on "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video" is satisfied > without APT having to pull in xserver-xorg-video-all (a meta-package > that, as its name says, pulls in every video driver). > > Similarly you can specify a particular package that Provides > "xserver-xorg-input" to prevent the xserver-xorg-input-all meta-package > from pulling in all the input drivers. Just make sure you know exactly > which one you need! And if you change your hardware in the future, > remember that you may need to install new -video- and/or > -input- packages to suit. I've had good results with aptitude in interactive mode when doing stuff like this. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
Hello Stephen. Stephen Yorke, 02.10.2006 21:18: > I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all > the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff... That’s not a problem as you can remove unecessary video drivers anytime you want after that. > I do not know exactly how much overhead > these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver > and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the > usage of just the VESA driver? Set it as driver for your card in your xorg.conf. Regards, Mathias -- debian/rules signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup
Stephen Yorke wrote: > I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all > the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff...I do not know exactly how much overhead > these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver > and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the > usage of just the VESA driver? If you're using aptitude or apt-get at the command line, try putting xserver-xorg-video-vesa at the beginning of the list, like this: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg [...] or else just install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST and then all the other stuff in a second run. The trick here is that the -vesa package Provides "xserver-xorg-video". So if you install xserver-xorg-video-vesa FIRST, then xserver-xorg's dependency on "xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video" is satisfied without APT having to pull in xserver-xorg-video-all (a meta-package that, as its name says, pulls in every video driver). Similarly you can specify a particular package that Provides "xserver-xorg-input" to prevent the xserver-xorg-input-all meta-package from pulling in all the input drivers. Just make sure you know exactly which one you need! And if you change your hardware in the future, remember that you may need to install new -video- and/or -input- packages to suit. best regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup
I am using apt-get...so this does make total sense that all the depends are being sucked down via aptitude. Thanks...I have a little more to look at now which helps a ton. -Stephen -Original Message- From: Kevin Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:30 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: > > All, > > I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup&I have tried several things but I am > just not getting it. > > Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a BASIC/MINIMAL X > setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I get tons of dependencies > and I do not want them. > > Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log in with > GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going about it all wrong > but I know I am going through hell trying to figure it out. > > Thanks in advance, > Stephen Hi Stephen, 'x-window-system-core' < 'x-window-system', so install the former. but it maybe the dpkg front-end that you are using that is adding 'suggests'. aptitude normally adds this, so you may see more things being downloaded. So checkout the aptitude options to turn this off and it will install less things. HTH, Kev ps. what commnd are you using to install this, if this is not the case? -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org |
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: > > All, > > I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup&I have tried several things but I am > just not getting it. > > Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a BASIC/MINIMAL X > setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I get tons of > dependencies > and I do not want them. > > Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log in with > GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going about it all > wrong > but I know I am going through hell trying to figure it out. > > Thanks in advance, > Stephen Hi Stephen, 'x-window-system-core' < 'x-window-system', so install the former. but it maybe the dpkg front-end that you are using that is adding 'suggests'. aptitude normally adds this, so you may see more things being downloaded. So checkout the aptitude options to turn this off and it will install less things. HTH, Kev ps. what commnd are you using to install this, if this is not the case? -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: Minimal X-Windows Setup
I have tried the EXACT listing you have here but it still puts on all the xserver-xorg-video-* stuff...I do not know exactly how much overhead these packages add but I would really rather using just the VESA driver and remove the rest...but a question about that...how do I force the usage of just the VESA driver? Thanks in advance, Stephen -Original Message- From: Kevin B. McCarty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:09 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: >> I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup...I have tried several things >> but I am just not getting it. >> >> Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a >> BASIC/MINIMAL X setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I >> get tons of dependencies and I do not want them. >> >> Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log >> in with GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going >> about it all wrong but I know I am going through hell trying to figure >> it out. >> > You need at least x-window-system-core (if that is still the name of the > metapackage). If you choose xdm, that will be better than gdm (which > will pull in quite a few GNOME libs. Actually, x-window-system-core and x-window-system (in Sid & Etch) are identical meta-packages that do nothing but Depend upon the xorg meta-package. The basic problem is that any sane installation of X should probably include the xbase-clients package, which includes rather useful things like startx and xauth scripts. Unfortunately it also includes a whole lot of junk that pulls in a lot of library dependencies. But until this package is split apart, I don't see any way around this problem. See for instance bug # 332521. I guess one could at least skip a few dependencies (like imake) by not installing the xorg metapackage, and installing only the following minimal list of packages and their dependencies: xserver-xorg xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi xbase-clients xkb-data xterm xdm (As Roberto says, xdm will pull in fewer packages than gdm. Choose xfonts-75dpi and/or xfonts-scalable as well as or instead of xfonts-100dpi if you wish. You can try not installing xbase-clients, but I don't know how well things will work.) ... and then uninstalling all the xserver-xorg-* packages except the ones appropriate to his system. Note, I haven't at all tested this suggestion, so caveat emptor. regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: >> I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup...I have tried several things >> but I am just not getting it. >> >> Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a >> BASIC/MINIMAL X setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I >> get tons of dependencies and I do not want them. >> >> Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log >> in with GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going >> about it all wrong but I know I am going through hell trying to figure >> it out. >> > You need at least x-window-system-core (if that is still the name of the > metapackage). If you choose xdm, that will be better than gdm (which > will pull in quite a few GNOME libs. Actually, x-window-system-core and x-window-system (in Sid & Etch) are identical meta-packages that do nothing but Depend upon the xorg meta-package. The basic problem is that any sane installation of X should probably include the xbase-clients package, which includes rather useful things like startx and xauth scripts. Unfortunately it also includes a whole lot of junk that pulls in a lot of library dependencies. But until this package is split apart, I don't see any way around this problem. See for instance bug # 332521. I guess one could at least skip a few dependencies (like imake) by not installing the xorg metapackage, and installing only the following minimal list of packages and their dependencies: xserver-xorg xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi xbase-clients xkb-data xterm xdm (As Roberto says, xdm will pull in fewer packages than gdm. Choose xfonts-75dpi and/or xfonts-scalable as well as or instead of xfonts-100dpi if you wish. You can try not installing xbase-clients, but I don't know how well things will work.) ... and then uninstalling all the xserver-xorg-* packages except the ones appropriate to his system. Note, I haven't at all tested this suggestion, so caveat emptor. regards, -- Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Physics Department WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~kmccarty/Princeton University GPG: public key ID 4F83C751 Princeton, NJ 08544 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Minimal X-Windows Setup
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Yorke wrote: > All, > > > > I am looking for a basic X-Windows setup...I have tried several things > but I am just not getting it. > > > > Does anyone have some sort of package list which will get me a > BASIC/MINIMAL X setup. Anytime I do anything with X-WINDOW-SERVER-* I > get tons of dependencies and I do not want them. > > > > Mainly, I want an X setup which will allow me to view an X session log > in with GDM and have Fluxbox as my window manager. Maybe I am going > about it all wrong but I know I am going through hell trying to figure > it out. > You need at least x-window-system-core (if that is still the name of the metapackage). If you choose xdm, that will be better than gdm (which will pull in quite a few GNOME libs. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
