Re: Network install

[John Hasler]

Brian writes:
> Even if they were he would have to have some way of configuring a PPP
> connection within d-i to be able to use them.

He can configure PPP with a text editor (copy the files from another
machine where it has been configured with some tool such as pppconfig)
and start it with a command line.  Pon and poff could be copied over too
but they are just simple convenience scripts.
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Re: Network install

[Brian]

On Sat 31 Jan 2015 at 10:24:15 +, Curt wrote:

> On 2015-01-30, Brian  wrote:
> >> 
> >> apt-cdrom -d=/mnt add
> >
> > About a year ago I spent an afternoon investigating why this didn't work
> > for me. Locating the notes I made would take time.
> >
> 
> I can't find the bug today, although I did last night, but there is
> indeed one in wheezy in the sense that you must add the
> '--no-auto-detect' flag to add a pen drive to the sources
> list (as that other man has already pointed out to the satisfaction of
> everyone).

In case anyone looks - '--no-auto-detect' is undocumented in the Wheezy
manual.
 
> >From what I read last night this is not the case in jessie.

The '>' immediately in front of 'From' is an artifact of mbox. I usually
see it as such.

> Found it:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745381

I'd forgotton we had discussed this issue on -user. It saves having to
find my notes. :)


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Re: Network install

[John Hasler]

> As has already been mentioned, it looks as though the 'pon' command is
> no longer in the ppp package, or is that now understood and I'm
> missing something?

I was wrong: it's there.  It's evidently missing from the udeb.
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Re: Network install

[Brian]

On Sun 01 Feb 2015 at 00:40:59 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:23:25PM +, Brian wrote:
> > 3. Your attention should focus on the pool directory.
> > 
> > 4. 'ls -l /mnt/pool' and 'ls -l /mnt/pool/main' gets you exploring.
> > 
> > 5. After checking, install the ppp package with
> > 
> >   dpkg -i /mnt/pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.5-5.1+b1_i386.deb
> > 
> > 6. Carefully read the screen and curse me for leaving you to work out
> >the last bit of the puzzle for yourself.
> 
> As has already been mentioned, it looks as though the 'pon' command is
> no longer in the ppp package, or is that now understood and I'm missing
> something?

I think you may be referring to

  https://lists.debian.org/87wq44tlzd@thumper.dhh.gt.org

where Rodolfo Medina writes:
  
  >   My problem now is that after netinstall, even installing ppp in
  > expert mode, that command turns to be `not found' 

He was advised to try installing in expert mode and, when loading the
installer components, to choose the ppp-modules and ppp-udeb packages.
His expectation was to be able to use pon and poff, as he has been doing
on an already installed system. His expectations were unfounded.

pon and poff are in the ppp package. That package will be installed if
PPPoE is being used as the network connection because pppoeconf depends
on it. He doesn't want PPPoE as a network connection so pon and poff are
not available to him.

Even if they were he would have to have some way of configuring a PPP
connection within d-i to be able to use them.


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Re: Network install

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:23:25PM +, Brian wrote:
> 3. Your attention should focus on the pool directory.
> 
> 4. 'ls -l /mnt/pool' and 'ls -l /mnt/pool/main' gets you exploring.
> 
> 5. After checking, install the ppp package with
> 
>   dpkg -i /mnt/pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.5-5.1+b1_i386.deb
> 
> 6. Carefully read the screen and curse me for leaving you to work out
>the last bit of the puzzle for yourself.

As has already been mentioned, it looks as though the 'pon' command is
no longer in the ppp package, or is that now understood and I'm missing
something?

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Re: Network install

[Curt]

On 2015-01-31, Curt  wrote:
>
>>From what I read last night this is not the case in jessie.
>

You didn't say that, B., sorry, I did.

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Re: Network install

[Curt]

On 2015-01-30, Brian  wrote:
>> 
>> apt-cdrom -d=/mnt add
>
> About a year ago I spent an afternoon investigating why this didn't work
> for me. Locating the notes I made would take time.
>

I can't find the bug today, although I did last night, but there is
indeed one in wheezy in the sense that you must add the
'--no-auto-detect' flag to add a pen drive to the sources
list (as that other man has already pointed out to the satisfaction of
everyone).

>From what I read last night this is not the case in jessie.

Found it:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=745381

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Re: Network install

[David Wright]

Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk):
> On Fri 30 Jan 2015 at 15:00:17 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> 
> > Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com):
> > > 
> > > So I can't install ppp and so I won't be able to connect to internet.
> > 
> > Insert the pendrive, and see where it's mounted (from the logs, console 
> > etc.)
> > 
> > mount -t auto /dev/sdZ1 /mnt
> > 
> > where Z is b, c, d as appropriate
> > 
> > apt-cdrom -d=/mnt add
> 
> About a year ago I spent an afternoon investigating why this didn't work
> for me. Locating the notes I made would take time.

Ditto. Yes, you also need to stop it unmounting and so on. Thus

apt-cdrom -d /mnt --no-auto-detect -m add

will do it, where "it" is to stick

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST 
Binary-1 ]/ jessie main

in /etc/apt/sources.list and check the contents.

Cheers,
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Re: Network install

[Brian]

On Fri 30 Jan 2015 at 15:00:17 -0600, David Wright wrote:

> Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com):
> > 
> > So I can't install ppp and so I won't be able to connect to internet.
> 
> Insert the pendrive, and see where it's mounted (from the logs, console etc.)
> 
> mount -t auto /dev/sdZ1 /mnt
> 
> where Z is b, c, d as appropriate
> 
> apt-cdrom -d=/mnt add

About a year ago I spent an afternoon investigating why this didn't work
for me. Locating the notes I made would take time.


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Re: Network install

[Brian]

On Fri 30 Jan 2015 at 19:36:03 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Brian  writes:
> 
> > By "install Debian" do you mean you go all the way through the installer
> > menu and then finish the install by booting into the new system?
> 
> 
> I'll try to explain better (strange, it seems so clear to me).

Your explanation was full and understandable, apart from the lack of
clarity about booting into the new system before using aptitude. A "yes"
or "no" was all that was required in answer to my query.

1. Insert the USB stick carrying the netinst image and look at the
   output of dmesg. It will have something like 'sdg: sdg1' sdg1 is the
   partition which holds the image.

2. Next is the command

  mount /dev/sdg1 /mnt

   followed by

  ls -l /mnt

3. Your attention should focus on the pool directory.

4. 'ls -l /mnt/pool' and 'ls -l /mnt/pool/main' gets you exploring.

5. After checking, install the ppp package with

  dpkg -i /mnt/pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.5-5.1+b1_i386.deb

6. Carefully read the screen and curse me for leaving you to work out
   the last bit of the puzzle for yourself.


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Re: Network install

[David Wright]

Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com):

>  http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/
> 
> I download the file debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso and put it onto pendrive
> stick, then start the installation trough the Debian Installer.  Everything
> goes fine all the way through the installer menu until finishing the install 
> by
> booting into the new system.
> 
> At that point, I need installing ppp, because, once installed ppp, I'll be 
> able
> to connect to internet and download the remaining packages.  I do:
> 
>  # aptitude install ppp
> 
> The system tells me to insert the debian CD-ROM, because it `doesn't know' 
> that
> I have no CD-ROM at all, but instead a pendrive stick.  I insert the pendrive
> stick with debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso on it, but the system insists on
> wanting a CD-ROM.
> 
> So I can't install ppp and so I won't be able to connect to internet.

Insert the pendrive, and see where it's mounted (from the logs, console etc.)

mount -t auto /dev/sdZ1 /mnt

where Z is b, c, d as appropriate

apt-cdrom -d=/mnt add

aptitude ...

You'll probably want to remove the pendrive from apt's sources.list
pretty soon afterwards so that it doesn't keep being asked for.

Cheers,
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Re: Network install

[Dan Purgert]

On 30/01/2015 14:36, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Brian  writes:
> 
>> By "install Debian" do you mean you go all the way through the installer
>> menu and then finish the install by booting into the new system?
> 
> 
> I'll try to explain better (strange, it seems so clear to me).
> 
> T[...]
> 
> At that point, I need installing ppp, because, once installed ppp, I'll be 
> able
> to connect to internet and download the remaining packages.  I do:
> 
>  # aptitude install ppp
> 
> The system tells me to insert the debian CD-ROM, [...] I insert the pendrive
> stick with debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso on it, but the system insists on
> wanting a CD-ROM.

Fix /etc/apt/sources.list to point at the "correct device" that is your
"cdrom"


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Re: Network install

[Rodolfo Medina]

Brian  writes:

> By "install Debian" do you mean you go all the way through the installer
> menu and then finish the install by booting into the new system?


I'll try to explain better (strange, it seems so clear to me).

The problem only occurs with pendrive stick, not with CD-ROM.  I.e.:

From:

 http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/

I download the file debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso and put it onto pendrive
stick, then start the installation trough the Debian Installer.  Everything
goes fine all the way through the installer menu until finishing the install by
booting into the new system.

At that point, I need installing ppp, because, once installed ppp, I'll be able
to connect to internet and download the remaining packages.  I do:

 # aptitude install ppp

The system tells me to insert the debian CD-ROM, because it `doesn't know' that
I have no CD-ROM at all, but instead a pendrive stick.  I insert the pendrive
stick with debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso on it, but the system insists on
wanting a CD-ROM.

So I can't install ppp and so I won't be able to connect to internet.

At this point, someone from the list suggested to start Debian Installer in
expert mode and load the packages from there.  I tried, with no success.  That
way, the installation of ppp is not complete, not sufficient.

Hope it's clearer now.

Rodolfo


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Re: Network install

[Brian]

On Fri 30 Jan 2015 at 15:38:56 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> I did more tests to the problem.  The situation is the following.
> 
> From:
> 
>  http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/
> 
> I downloaded the file debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso.  Now I have two
> possibilities:
> 
> 1) I burn that file onto CD-ROM and install Debian on PC using that CD-ROM.
>After the base installation, I do: `aptitude install ppp', the system asks
>to insert te CD-ROM, installs ppp and, from that moment, I can connect to
>internet and download the remaining packages.  The system is born, it lives
>its own life.  Everything is all right.

By "install Debian" do you mean you go all the way through the installer
menu and then finish the install by booting into the new system? If so,
there is an easy solution to your particular problem.

I ask because of your use of the term "base installation" and the
reference to using aptitude.


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Re: Network install

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 15:38:56 +
Rodolfo Medina  wrote:

Hello Rodolfo,

>   connect to internet and download the remaining packages, the system
> requires inserting a CD-ROM and won't see the pendrive. 

Somewhere, in your settings, you've still got the CD selected as a valid
source.  Remove it.  Then re-sync your sources.

You should now be able to install/upgrade software without reference to
CDs.

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Re: Network install

[Rodolfo Medina]

I did more tests to the problem.  The situation is the following.

From:

 http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/

I downloaded the file debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso.  Now I have two
possibilities:

1) I burn that file onto CD-ROM and install Debian on PC using that CD-ROM.
   After the base installation, I do: `aptitude install ppp', the system asks
   to insert te CD-ROM, installs ppp and, from that moment, I can connect to
   internet and download the remaining packages.  The system is born, it lives
   its own life.  Everything is all right.

Instead,

2) I put debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso onto pendrive instead that on CD-ROM,
   that is more simple, comfortable and practical.  Then there are problems.
   In fact, the base installation is done without problems just the same way as
   with the CD-ROM.  But, after it, if I do: `aptitude install ppp' in order to
   connect to internet and download the remaining packages, the system requires
   inserting a CD-ROM and won't see the pendrive.  This seems wrong to me
   because, if it's possibile to install the base Debian system via pendrive,
   logically it should also be possibile to install other packages like ppp.
   Then I tried, as someone suggested, to install ppp via expert mode through
   Debian Installer with the pendrive, but that's not possibile or, anyway, the
   installation is not as complete as with `aptitude install ppp', so that a
   connection cannot be established.  But the package, complete, *is* there and
   it *should* be possibile to load it.  Whereas it is not.

Thanks,

Rodolfo


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Re: Network install

[John Hasler]

Rodolfo Medina writes:
>   My problem now is that after netinstall, even installing ppp in
> expert mode, that command turns to be `not found'

It seems to have been removed from ppp.  
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Re: Network install

[Brian]

On Fri 30 Jan 2015 at 07:55:11 -0500, Dan Purgert wrote:

> On 30/01/2015 03:18, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
> >>
> >> I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.
> > 
> > Sorry, it's something similar to a pendrive.
> >
> 
> What is it exactly?  Is it a 3/4g cell card (such as provided by a phone
> company), or something else?

If it is that sort of device there is no support for it in the installer.

It would be useful for us to see the output of 'lsusb'.

> >>> It seems that the minimal netinst doesn't install ppp
> >>
> >> It does. You may need to choose expert install in order to be able to
> >> select ppp extra packages.
> > 
> > 
> > In the expert mode, I select the two ppp packages, but even then the `pon'
> > command, which I use to connect, still remains `not found' by the system.
> 
> are those ppp packages being INSTALLED (or at least loaded into the
> minimal kernel) ... or are you selecting them for install after the PC
> finally connects to the internet?

In spite of the quote in the first mail in this thread and the reply by
Floris there is no support for PPP network connections in d-i:

  https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install.txt.en

   The network can be used during the installation to retrieve files
   needed for the installation. Whether the network is used or not
   depends on the installation method you choose and your answers to
   certain questions that will be asked during the installation. The
   installation system supports most types of network connections
   (including PPPoE, but not ISDN or PPP), via either HTTP or FTP.
   After the installation is completed, you can also configure your
   system to use ISDN and PPP.

There is also #342656.

The modules under discussion are for use with PPPoE.


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Re: Network install

[Rodolfo Medina]

Dan Purgert  writes:

> On 30/01/2015 03:18, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> [...]
 To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
>>>
>>> I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.
>> 
>> Sorry, it's something similar to a pendrive.
>>
>
> What is it exactly?  Is it a 3/4g cell card (such as provided by a phone
> company), or something else?

Yes, that's something like that: huawei-e169.


 It seems that the minimal netinst doesn't install ppp
>>>
>>> It does. You may need to choose expert install in order to be able to
>>> select ppp extra packages.
>> 
>> 
>> In the expert mode, I select the two ppp packages, but even then the `pon'
>> command, which I use to connect, still remains `not found' by the system.
>
>
> are those ppp packages being INSTALLED (or at least loaded into the
> minimal kernel) ... or are you selecting them for install after the PC
> finally connects to the internet?


They're installed (or at least loaded into the minimal kernel) when I launch
the Debian Installer.  Precisely: from http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ I
downloaded the file debian-7.8.0-i386-netinst.iso and installed Debian with it,
everything fine.  Now I want to install the remaining packages via internet,
but to connect to it I need ppp and the `pon' command, which is `not found'.

Rodolfo


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Re: Network install

[Dan Purgert]

On 30/01/2015 03:18, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> [...]
>>> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
>>
>> I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.
> 
> Sorry, it's something similar to a pendrive.
>

What is it exactly?  Is it a 3/4g cell card (such as provided by a phone
company), or something else?

> 
>>> It seems that the minimal netinst doesn't install ppp
>>
>> It does. You may need to choose expert install in order to be able to
>> select ppp extra packages.
> 
> 
> In the expert mode, I select the two ppp packages, but even then the `pon'
> command, which I use to connect, still remains `not found' by the system.


are those ppp packages being INSTALLED (or at least loaded into the
minimal kernel) ... or are you selecting them for install after the PC
finally connects to the internet?


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Re: Network install

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Darac Marjal  writes:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 04:09:46PM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote:
>>> On 29/01/2015 15:39, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> > 
>>> > Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>>> >> 
>>> >> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
>>> > 
>>> > I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.
>>> 
>>> Bet he's referring to 3g/4g cell card as a "pendrive modem" or perhaps is
>>> using a wired USB modem that happens to look similar to a storage device.
>>
>> Such things do exist. There are modems that, on first connection appear
>> to be a USB Mass Storage device (i.e. a pen drive) upon which the user
>> can find drivers for the modem (though, typically, these drivers only
>> work with a very limited number of operating systems).
>>
>> In these cases, debian can use the package "usbmodeswitch" to send the
>> command to switch the USB device into modem mode, at which point the PPP
>> connection can be made.
>
>
> I've been using for years that device simply with the command `pon'.

...  My problem now is that after netinstall, even installing ppp in expert
mode, that command turns to be `not found'.

Thanks,

Rodolfo


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Re: Network install

[Rodolfo Medina]

Darac Marjal  writes:

> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 04:09:46PM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> On 29/01/2015 15:39, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> > 
>> > Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>> >> 
>> >> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
>> > 
>> > I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.
>> 
>> Bet he's referring to 3g/4g cell card as a "pendrive modem" or perhaps
>> is using a wired USB modem that happens to look similar to a storage device.
>
> Such things do exist. There are modems that, on first connection appear
> to be a USB Mass Storage device (i.e. a pen drive) upon which the user
> can find drivers for the modem (though, typically, these drivers only
> work with a very limited number of operating systems).
>
> In these cases, debian can use the package "usbmodeswitch" to send the
> command to switch the USB device into modem mode, at which point the PPP
> connection can be made.


I've been using for years that device simply with the command `pon'.

Thanks,

Rodolfo


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Re: Network install

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 04:09:46PM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote:
> On 29/01/2015 15:39, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
> >> 
> >> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
> > 
> > I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.
> 
> Bet he's referring to 3g/4g cell card as a "pendrive modem" or perhaps
> is using a wired USB modem that happens to look similar to a storage device.

Such things do exist. There are modems that, on first connection appear
to be a USB Mass Storage device (i.e. a pen drive) upon which the user
can find drivers for the modem (though, typically, these drivers only
work with a very limited number of operating systems).

In these cases, debian can use the package "usbmodeswitch" to send the
command to switch the USB device into modem mode, at which point the PPP
connection can be made.

> 
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Re: Network install

[Rodolfo Medina]

Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com):

> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.  It seems that the
> minimal netinst doesn't install ppp, so I can't connect to Internet to fetch
> the remaining packages.  Am I missing something important, or should conclude
> that the network install is not for me?

Pascal Hambourg  writes:

> Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>> 
>> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
>
> I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.

Sorry, it's something similar to a pendrive.


>> It seems that the minimal netinst doesn't install ppp
>
> It does. You may need to choose expert install in order to be able to
> select ppp extra packages.


In the expert mode, I select the two ppp packages, but even then the `pon'
command, which I use to connect, still remains `not found' by the system.

Thanks,

Rodolfo


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Re: Network install

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 29 January 2015 21:09:46 Dan Purgert wrote:
> On 29/01/2015 15:39, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
> >> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
> >
> > I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.
>
> Bet he's referring to 3g/4g cell card as a "pendrive modem" or perhaps
> is using a wired USB modem that happens to look similar to a storage
> device.

Anyway, that will be the problem, not ppp.

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Re: Network install

[Dan Purgert]

On 29/01/2015 15:39, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>> 
>> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.
> 
> I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.

Bet he's referring to 3g/4g cell card as a "pendrive modem" or perhaps
is using a wired USB modem that happens to look similar to a storage device.


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Re: Network install

[Pascal Hambourg]

Hello,

Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
> 
> To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.

I doubt so. A "pendrive" is not a modem, it is a storage device.

> It seems that the minimal netinst doesn't install ppp

It does. You may need to choose expert install in order to be able to
select ppp extra packages.


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Re: Network install

[Floris]

Op Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:30:17 +0100 schreef Rodolfo Medina  
:



From the official Debian Internet site I read:


 A "network install" or "netinst" CD is a single CD which enables you to
 install the entire operating system. This single CD contains just the  
minimal
 amount of software to start the installation and fetch the remaining  
packages

 over the Internet.

To connect to Internet, I use ppp and a pendrive as modem.  It seems  
that the
minimal netinst doesn't install ppp, so I can't connect to Internet to  
fetch
the remaining packages.  Am I missing something important, or should  
conclude

that the network install is not for me?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo



From https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html

What types of network connections are supported during installation? The  
network install assumes that you have a connection to the Internet.  
Various different ways are supported for this, like analogue PPP dial-up,  
Ethernet, WLAN (with some restrictions), but ISDN is not — sorry!


so ppp is supported.

Maybe your pendrive needs a special firmware. If you could tell the name  
and the brand of it, we can give you more suggestions.


success,

floris


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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[David E. Fox]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:55:44 -0700
Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I download a 128MB network installer iso so that I could use it to 
> download binariy and source files one at a time from over the internet. 

Usually you only need binary packages, you don't need the sources unless
you want to compile your own stuff.

>  Being new to Debian I tried to understand this process and came to 
> understand that all binary files are considered to be a "package" sort 

Packages usually come with binary or source (hence binary or source
packages), documentation, info such as what dependancies are needed to
satisfy the install (for instance, a program may need to use library
routines that are in a library package, and/or source packeges would
need the development versions of these libraries, and so forth).


> In other words, I need a Debian system up and running (which I don't 
> have at the present time) and even then the packaged binaries and 
> sources will be unpacked and placed into the system. What I was after 

Yes, but you don't need the whole archive to install a basic system. As
other posters have indicated, the packages are sorted in popularity
order, such that most everything people want are on the first two or
three cd's. The diffiulty for you would be how to do afterinstall
"maintenance" - adding new pakages, upgrading, and so forth, which in
any event would be slow over a dialup connection. For most of the stuff
will be on a cdrom (or dvd) that you just add as a repository with
'apt-cdrom'. Some won't be, of course, depending on how many cd's you
need. 

> directed by some kind of menu.  This is fine, if that is how it happens, 
> but I want my own updateable archive  from which this "network 
> installer" can feed .

I don't see the point. The updates are fairly small differences to the
main chunk (or pool). Of course, small is relative. My last update on
etch (I normally do them weekly) was about 100 megabytes. That could
take about 10-12 hours to get over the modem. One of the posters
estimated the 'pool' (entire debian tree) as about 256 gigs. And you
don't need it -- or even want to store that much - since that's abour
45.5 DVDs. And it is as I understand it, stable/testing/unstable for
all the architecture (CPU types) that debian supports. You'd, for
instance, only need the i386 part of the pool.

What you probably want/need is the first snapshot DVD of the etch
(testing) distribution. I realize that you dislike snapshot releasws
but these days, etch is pretty polished, and if you use jigdo-lite you
master the image on say a dvd-rw, then run it again later, it will only
update the parts that have changed, and you write that back to the
dvd-rw. That's about the first 7 cd's, and it if used as an apt-cdrom
source, you can do the install off of it as well as add new packages
from it at a later date, without using the network. For your purposes,
I don't believe the netinstall CD would be the way to go, as it is too
small, and really intended for people who have a fast enough connection
that can get all the other stuff over the internet (or have a local
repository on their LAN, but of course, you have to populate that from
somewhere outside the LAN in the first place, so the point is moot if
you've only a dialup connection).

In other words, a local LAN repository would make sense in a university
or datacenter of a corporation, where you have a number of machines to
keep up to date.

> Python, Lisp, and many others;  It lookis like I would have to (separate 
> from the installer and separate from the FTP ) gather these binaries and 
> sources one at a time site by site.  Or have I got something very wrong???

Nearly everything you need would be part of the repository (of course,
there are several to choose from) so you don't have to go out and look
for them, unless:

* they are extremely new and you want the most current version, or

* they don't exist in the repositories (specialty or other stuff)


> Thanks Ted.


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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 08:32:42AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > apt-cache --names-only  search tcl | grep doc | wc -l
> > 6
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ apt-cache -n search tcl doc | wc -l
> 6
> 
> heh. multiple words in the search string saves a pipe and grep ;-P

Too true!

Weird behaviour between 'time apt-cache --names-only  search tcl | grep
doc | wc -l' and 'apt-cache -n search tcl doc | wc -l'

looks like some caching involved.

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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 04:47:03PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:03:17AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > aptitude install python
> > 
> > and away it goes... when done you have python.
> > 
> > how about tcl? 
> > 
> > apt-cache search tcl
> > 
> > this produces 217 packages matching 'tcl', hmmm... lets narrow that
> > down by searching just the names of packages and not their
> > descriptions
> 
> man wc
> 
> apt-cache search tcl | wc -l
> 198

;-) yes, I used wc...



> 
> You running Sid? Mmmm, already quite a difference between Sid + Etch,
> and that is just for the tcl packages!

yup. sid on the desktop.

> 
> apt-cache --names-only  search tcl | wc -l
> 68

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74

> 
> apt-cache --names-only  search tcl | grep doc | wc -l
> 6

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ apt-cache -n search tcl doc | wc -l
6

heh. multiple words in the search string saves a pipe and grep ;-P

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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:03:17AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> aptitude install python
> 
> and away it goes... when done you have python.
> 
> how about tcl? 
> 
> apt-cache search tcl
> 
> this produces 217 packages matching 'tcl', hmmm... lets narrow that
> down by searching just the names of packages and not their
> descriptions

man wc

apt-cache search tcl | wc -l
198

You running Sid? Mmmm, already quite a difference between Sid + Etch,
and that is just for the tcl packages!

apt-cache --names-only  search tcl | wc -l
68

apt-cache --names-only  search tcl | grep doc | wc -l
6

Saves manually counting them.

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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Carl Johnson]

Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Don't forget that 'aptitude search tcl' also searches only packages
> names.

The ara and xara packages allow for keyword searching in the
description field.  I use xara-gtk in the simple mode, and it has an
easy form based interface for searching.
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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Celejar]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:03:17 -0800
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]

> how about tcl? 
> 
> apt-cache search tcl
> 
> this produces 217 packages matching 'tcl', hmmm... lets narrow that
> down by searching just the names of packages and not their
> descriptions
> 
> apt-cache -n search tcl
> 
> gets us 74 packages, one of which is tcl8.3

Don't forget that 'aptitude search tcl' also searches only packages
names.

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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 02:55:44PM -0700, Admin wrote:
[...]
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Could I simply do an FTP of some 
> Debian mirror?  What I don't like about this FTP idea or the installer 
> as far as that goes is that many of the applications I want are not 
> available except from their development sites.  Examples are TCL, 
> Python, Lisp, and many others;  It lookis like I would have to (separate 
> from the installer and separate from the FTP ) gather these binaries and 
> sources one at a time site by site.  Or have I got something very 
> wrong???

others have more than adequately answered your other questions. FTR, I
say, just order the set of CD's from someone and save yourself the
hassle. Install what you want from the cd's and then just
update/upgrade over your connection from time-to-time.

Regarding the above. Debian has over 16,000 packages already bundled
up: compiled binaries w/ dependency information and documentation (to
some extent) and source code available as well. I'm not sure about TCL
but there are several versions of python and certainly many flavors of
lisp as well. You can get all these packages from one site, a
debian-mirror, using the package management tools (apt-get, aptitude,
synaptic etc). The process of gathering this is seperate from the
install proper, but are a integral part of debian and are simple to
do. for example, if you want python, you could simply issue a command:

aptitude install python

and away it goes... when done you have python.

how about tcl? 

apt-cache search tcl

this produces 217 packages matching 'tcl', hmmm... lets narrow that
down by searching just the names of packages and not their
descriptions

apt-cache -n search tcl

gets us 74 packages, one of which is tcl8.3

aptitude install tcl8.3 

would then pull in tcl and whatever was required to run it. 

hth

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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Kevin Mark]

On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 02:55:44PM -0700, Admin wrote:
>  I download a 128MB network installer iso so that I could use it to 
> download binariy and source files one at a time from over the internet. 
> Being new to Debian I tried to understand this process and came to 
> understand that all binary files are considered to be a "package" sort 
> of wrapped with dependency information.  Apparently, when the package is 
> unwrapped these dependencies are determined to exist on the present 
> system or are required to be added.
> 
> In other words, I need a Debian system up and running (which I don't 
> have at the present time) and even then the packaged binaries and 
> sources will be unpacked and placed into the system. What I was after 
> was a kind of mirror located where ever I wanted on my LAN and I could 
> install all or some of them.. I take it that the network installer puts 
> together a basic system and then proceeds to install other packages as 
> directed by some kind of menu.  This is fine, if that is how it happens, 
> but I want my own updateable archive  from which this "network 
> installer" can feed .
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Could I simply do an FTP of some 
> Debian mirror?  What I don't like about this FTP idea or the installer 
> as far as that goes is that many of the applications I want are not 
> available except from their development sites.  Examples are TCL, 
> Python, Lisp, and many others;  It lookis like I would have to (separate 
> from the installer and separate from the FTP ) gather these binaries and 
> sources one at a time site by site.  Or have I got something very wrong???
> 
> Also, what complicates my effort is that I have a very low band witdth 
> to the Internet having to use a dial up connection from a rural area up 
> here in Alberta Canada..  For example, it took me a week to download the 
> "network installer".
> 
> 
> Thanks Ted.
Debian binary packages contain the binary files and metadata like what
other packages are needed for this program to work. When you install one
packages, it determines all of the required dependencies and installs
all of them in the correct order. 

You can create an apt cache to store one copy of deb files so that other
installs can use this. apt-cacher can do this.

Debian archive->main machine+->other machine
+->other machine
+->other machine
+->other machine

Description: apt-cache is a caching proxy system for Debian package and
source files Apt-cacher performs caching of .deb and source packages
which have been downloaded by local users. It is most useful for local
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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 05:50:46PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[huge snip]
Sorry for not trimming.  Finger slipped.

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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Douglas Allan Tutty]

On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 02:55:44PM -0700, Admin wrote:
>  I download a 128MB network installer iso so that I could use it to 
> download binariy and source files one at a time from over the internet. 
> Being new to Debian I tried to understand this process and came to 
> understand that all binary files are considered to be a "package" sort 
> of wrapped with dependency information.  Apparently, when the package is 
> unwrapped these dependencies are determined to exist on the present 
> system or are required to be added.
> 
> In other words, I need a Debian system up and running (which I don't 
> have at the present time) and even then the packaged binaries and 
> sources will be unpacked and placed into the system. What I was after 
> was a kind of mirror located where ever I wanted on my LAN and I could 
> install all or some of them.. I take it that the network installer puts 
> together a basic system and then proceeds to install other packages as 
> directed by some kind of menu.  This is fine, if that is how it happens, 
> but I want my own updateable archive  from which this "network 
> installer" can feed .
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Could I simply do an FTP of some 
> Debian mirror?  What I don't like about this FTP idea or the installer 
> as far as that goes is that many of the applications I want are not 
> available except from their development sites.  Examples are TCL, 
> Python, Lisp, and many others;  It lookis like I would have to (separate 
> from the installer and separate from the FTP ) gather these binaries and 
> sources one at a time site by site.  Or have I got something very wrong???
> 
> Also, what complicates my effort is that I have a very low band witdth 
> to the Internet having to use a dial up connection from a rural area up 
> here in Alberta Canada..  For example, it took me a week to download the 
> "network installer".
> 
> 
> Thanks Ted.

Hi Ted,

I'm also on a slow dialup link but I've been using Debian for years.
When you use the full netinst.iso (as opposed to the business card iso),
you have all the stuff to make a base system.  A 'standard' system takes
a lot more stuff.  Whenevery I have tried to do a fresh install and
select 'standard' system, it always konks out when the ppp link dies,
sometime while I was asleep.

So what I do is _not_ select standard system so that I end up with a
minimal _base_ system that is self-contained, e.g. it boots up itself
without needing the installer.  Then I edit my sources.list file, then I
make sure I have aptitude, then I use aptitude to get the stuff I need
in little chunks.

This is the moral of the story, take it one chunk at a time so that any
downloading is only a few hours.  I start with: lynx, mc, pino, man.
Then all the documentation (e.g. HOWTOs).  Then mutt and exim4.  Then
vim.  Only when everything else is working do I start on X.

As for what to do if you have more than one box, once you have the base
system on the box where you wan't a partial mirror, look at apt-proxy.
It builds a mirror as you use it.  Or you can use apt-move.

As for setting up such an archive first before you've installed the
first debian box, you'd have to look at http proxy apps on the OS on
some other box on your lan.

I never download the source since I've never needed to poke at it.
Anything I've ever needed has either been a debian package already or
something I write myself in python (which is a debian package).  

Once a release goes stable, I download and burn CD1 just so I have it.
It takes me about 84 hrs.

Doug.


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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:35:25 -0600
"Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> Regarding binaries: The Debian archive typically includes both source
> and binary for each package, but the network installer assumes that
> you can do without the source until the base system is running.

I'm not sure what you meant by that. Just to clarify for the OP:

Sources are usually *not* needed so they are not installed unless
specifically requested. Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK it is even
not possible to install source packages during the install.

Regards,
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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

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* Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070211 16:00]:
> I download a 128MB network installer iso so that I could use it to 
...
> In other words, I need a Debian system up and running (which I don't 
> have at the present time) and even then the packaged binaries and 
> sources will be unpacked and placed into the system. What I was after 
> was a kind of mirror located where ever I wanted on my LAN and I could 
> install all or some of them.. I take it that the network installer puts 
> together a basic system and then proceeds to install other packages as 
> directed by some kind of menu.  This is fine, if that is how it happens, 
> but I want my own updateable archive from which this "network 
> installer" can feed .
... 
> Also, what complicates my effort is that I have a very low band witdth 
> to the Internet having to use a dial up connection from a rural area up 
> here in Alberta Canada..  For example, it took me a week to download the 
> "network installer".

You have several problems; don't try to solve all of them at once.
First, get a basic Debian, via (1) the network installer or (2) jigdo
ISO or (3) mail-order CD.  Second, install a basic Debian system.
Third, augment the basic system with Debian and non-Debian
applications.

Regarding the network installer: The network installer allows you to
install a basic Debian system over the Internet.  Once the basic
system is installed and running, you can install additional packages
from CD or over the Internet.  Note that the network installer is
included on the first CD of any Debian set.

Regarding limited bandwidth: There are multiple commercial sources
from which you may mail-order individual CDs or even the complete set
of Debian "testing" or "unstable", at a cost of a dollar or two (US)
per CD, and with very rapid delivery; see www.debian.org.  Otherwise,
you could run jigdo overnight each night until you have a complete ISO
image of the first Debian CD.

Regarding a local repository: For the technique, search the archives
of this mail list, or search with Google.  There are several ways of
keeping a local repository up-to-date, including jigdo -- the "jigsaw"
downloader, which, with its ability to resume an interrupted download,
is particularly well-suited for low-bandwidth users.  Jigdo is
available for a variety of operating systems, including Window$.

Regarding binaries: The Debian archive typically includes both source
and binary for each package, but the network installer assumes that
you can do without the source until the base system is running.

RLH


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Re: [Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:55:44 -0700
Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

The Debian archive is huge and it is not trivial to set-up. There is a
method to use CD images as a pseudo-mirror, though I don't think this
is the best way for you (see below). Check this:

http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#lan-install

You should read the whole FAQ as it answers most of your questions.

> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Could I simply do an FTP of
> some Debian mirror?  What I don't like about this FTP idea or the
> installer as far as that goes is that many of the applications I want
> are not available except from their development sites.  Examples are
> TCL, Python, Lisp, and many others;  It lookis like I would have to
> (separate from the installer and separate from the FTP ) gather these
> binaries and sources one at a time site by site.  Or have I got
> something very wrong???

I think so. If the mirror setup during the installation went good you
should have access to the full Debian archive which has more then 15.000
packages, including TCL, Python, ...

> Also, what complicates my effort is that I have a very low band
> witdth to the Internet having to use a dial up connection from a
> rural area up here in Alberta Canada..  For example, it took me a
> week to download the "network installer".

Non-stop? IMHO with a very low bandwidth connection your best bet is
still the netinstall with *very* carefull package selection, but this
is difficult to do properly if you don't have experience with Debian
or Linux. If you don't find a reasonable way to download at least the
first two CDs (or the first DVD) you should order the full CD set from
some vendor.

http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/

HTH,
Andrei
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[Debian-User] re: Network Install

[Admin]

 I download a 128MB network installer iso so that I could use it to 
download binariy and source files one at a time from over the internet. 
Being new to Debian I tried to understand this process and came to 
understand that all binary files are considered to be a "package" sort 
of wrapped with dependency information.  Apparently, when the package is 
unwrapped these dependencies are determined to exist on the present 
system or are required to be added.


In other words, I need a Debian system up and running (which I don't 
have at the present time) and even then the packaged binaries and 
sources will be unpacked and placed into the system. What I was after 
was a kind of mirror located where ever I wanted on my LAN and I could 
install all or some of them.. I take it that the network installer puts 
together a basic system and then proceeds to install other packages as 
directed by some kind of menu.  This is fine, if that is how it happens, 
but I want my own updateable archive  from which this "network 
installer" can feed .


Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Could I simply do an FTP of some 
Debian mirror?  What I don't like about this FTP idea or the installer 
as far as that goes is that many of the applications I want are not 
available except from their development sites.  Examples are TCL, 
Python, Lisp, and many others;  It lookis like I would have to (separate 
from the installer and separate from the FTP ) gather these binaries and 
sources one at a time site by site.  Or have I got something very wrong???


Also, what complicates my effort is that I have a very low band witdth 
to the Internet having to use a dial up connection from a rural area up 
here in Alberta Canada..  For example, it took me a week to download the 
"network installer".



Thanks Ted.



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Re: network install over nVidia nForce 3 ethernet interface

[Ben Hutchings]

I wrote:
If you have a drive larger than 137 GB (128 GiB) then you must use a 2.6 
kernel to avoid disk addresses wrapping around beyond that point.
Sorry, I got this wrong.  2.4 should be fine as well, so I don't know 
what the problem might have been.

Ben.
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Re: network install over nVidia nForce 3 ethernet interface

[Ben Hutchings]

Alexandru Cabuz wrote:
Hello,
My question concerns the correct course of action when installing
Sarge on a computer whose only way to connect to the internet is
through an nVidia nForce 3 ethernet interface which needs the driver
provided by nVidia at
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_amd64_1.0-0292
I don't think you need that driver.
without having to burn 14 CDs.
The first CD is more than sufficient to install a base system.

I have tried to install a basic system and then worry about the driver
later, but the installation didn't work. I set up the partitions,
everything going smooth, until reboot. After reboot I got flooded with
messages like
nv_sata : Primary device mounted
nv_sata : Primary device mounted
nv_sata : Secondary device mounted
nv_sata : Secondary device mounted
nv_sata : Secondary device unmounted
nv_sata : Secondary device unmounted
nv_sata : Primary device unmounted
nv_sata : Primary device unmounted
Or maybe it was "loaded" instead of "mounted"... I forgot. Anyway,
something like that.
This appears to be a known bug in the driver.  This message
 suggests a 
solution.


Should I just try another build of the netinstall CD or (and this
would really be sweet) is there any way to get a hold of a netinstall
CD with the forcedeth driver corresponding to the particular kernel ON
IT already...?
forcedeth has been part of the standard kernel since versions 2.4.26 and 
2.6.5.

A man can dream can't he?
Oh by the way, in the meantime, grub and the master boot sector got
all messed up somewhere along the way, and so I can't even boot into
my windows partition I had installed for recovery purposes... :-) now
I lost my windows partition too.
Great.
If you have a drive larger than 137 GB (128 GiB) then you must use a 2.6 
kernel to avoid disk addresses wrapping around beyond that point.

Ben.
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Re: Network install fails on reboot

[Thomas Hood]

Start by reading the Network Configuration chapter of the Debian
Reference.  It is available online here:

http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html

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Re: Network install fails on reboot

[Kent West]

Elder C. Alan Hungerford wrote:
I am trying to do a network install of Woody on an old p2 so that I 
can turn it into a glorified mp3 player for my company’s on hold music 
and messages. I can get as far as rebooting the machine through 
setting up the system clock and such. But it seems that when it 
reboots it loses its network config Because it can no longer connect 
to the mirror site (any mirror site). What file do I need to edit to 
set a proper network config, for the first portion of the Install DHCP 
worked to configure the network. But I could set static ips if necessary.

Make sure you have kernel support for your nic (lsmod, modconf, modprobe).
Make sure /etc/networking/interfaces is configured properly (example 
file or "man interfaces")

Make sure /etc/resolv.conf has your ISP's name servers listed.
Can you ping local machines by name? by number? remote machines by name? 
by number?

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Re: network install via dialup?

[James Miller]

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:26:37AM -0600, James Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > I'm thinking of recommending Debian to someone who has only a dialin
> > connection to the 'net.  For various reasons, a network install would be
> > the best option for them.
>
> You don't get into the "whys", but I'd be interested.
>
I'd like to work up some documentation geared toward installing Debian on
older PC's.  I've done a few experiments to see how it goes and prove to
myself it can be done by someone with not a whole lot of experience.  But
I've used broadband each time, whereas the old PC owner who might want to
put Debian on their machine might be expected only to have a dialin
connection. So, I'd like to be able to cover all the bases in the
documentation - in the case of dialin users, documentation starting with a
big warning note: "this is going to take a good, long time (8-16 hrs)."

Thanks, James


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Re: network install via dialup?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 11:26:37AM -0600, James Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I'm thinking of recommending Debian to someone who has only a dialin
> connection to the 'net.  For various reasons, a network install would be
> the best option for them.  

You don't get into the "whys", but I'd be interested.

A CD-based install, an installation from a local apt cache, or an
install from a site with broadband access, would all be significantly
faster.

I'm speaking as someone who runs multiple systems behind a 56k dialup.
However I have a full apt-proxy cache of potato + woody distros, and can
run a local installation in a matter of minutes.

Install via dialup is going to take on the order of 8-16 hours for
pulls.  Figure 4800 Bps effective for a 56k connection, and 250 MiB for
a relatively minimal install.  That's 15 hours of download.

Once you're over the initial hump, installing (and maintaining) packages
isn't too bad -- figure a few hours of connect time nightly.  Again,
apt-proxy is a major lifesaver if you've got multiple systems to
maintain.

> Is it reasonable to expect them to be able to do a network install
> over dialup?  I should also explain that this will be a fairly minimal
> system.  What I would recommend them to do is to install the base
> system, then XFree (using tasksel) and a lightweight window mgr and
> maybe browser (e.g., Links - maybe Dillo).  That's the way the initial
> install would look, in my thinking.  Other programs could be added as
> needed, via apt-get.  Would this be feasible to do over dialup?

Depends on your phone costs and contention for phone line (family,
roommates, etc.).


> Oh, and I should ask whether the install-base routine can resume
> broken downloads (in case the modem drops the connection or the ISP
> kicks them offline or something)?

Yes, it can.  In this regard, apt-get is very nice.


Peace.

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Re: network install via dialup?

[James Miller]

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, David Palmer. wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:52:06 -0700
> "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Incoming from James Miller:
> > > I'm thinking of recommending Debian to someone who has only a dialin
> > > connection to the 'net.  For various reasons, a network install would be
> >
> > Isn't cheapbytes still out there?  The last time I bought from them,
> > shipping cost more than the disks.
> >
> > Alternatively, can't you get access to a machine with adsl/cable and a
> > burner?  That way, your "someone" will have disks.
> >
> > Yes, it's possible.  No, it's not much fun.  I just did an apt-get
> > upgrade and it tied up my phone for days.
> >
> My last dist-upgrade took 36 hours.
>
Ok.  But so far no one is addressing the minimal installation factor I
specifically referenced in my initial post.  Someone mentioned KDE and
Gnome, though I explicitly said I would recommend a lightweight WM
(fluxbox is my preference).  To be more precise, the initial installed
system I envision is going to be something like 300MB *installed*.  Now,
given that, what is the feasibility of doing this over dialup?  What took
you 36 hours - i.e., upgrading what kind of system?  Did you have KDE and
other heavyweight apps installed?  Does your OS take up a gig or more of
HD space?  I think this is an important consideration in determining the
feasibility of a network install over dialup.  As for the individual that
answered about apt having the ability to resume broken downloads:  when
one does a base install starting with the floppy set, is the base system
being retrieved by apt, or is there maybe some small ftp program at work
at this early stage?  If apt is not doing the downloading at this early
stage, or maybe some barebones version of it is running, then maybe the
resumed download feature is not in play.

Thanks, James


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Re: network install via dialup?

[Vineet Kumar]

* David Palmer. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031218 11:39]:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:52:06 -0700
> "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Incoming from James Miller:
> > > I'm thinking of recommending Debian to someone who has only a dialin
> > > connection to the 'net.  For various reasons, a network install would be
> > 
> > Isn't cheapbytes still out there?  The last time I bought from them,
> > shipping cost more than the disks.
> > 
> > Alternatively, can't you get access to a machine with adsl/cable and a
> > burner?  That way, your "someone" will have disks.
> > 
> > Yes, it's possible.  No, it's not much fun.  I just did an apt-get
> > upgrade and it tied up my phone for days.
> > 
> My last dist-upgrade took 36 hours.

It's worth noting that this is in the same ballpark as USPS.  "Never
underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes."  The old
adage still holds true.  Although today it might be "an SUV full of
DVDs."

good times,
Vineet
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Re: network install via dialup?

[David Palmer.]

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:52:06 -0700
"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Incoming from James Miller:
> > I'm thinking of recommending Debian to someone who has only a dialin
> > connection to the 'net.  For various reasons, a network install would be
> 
> Isn't cheapbytes still out there?  The last time I bought from them,
> shipping cost more than the disks.
> 
> Alternatively, can't you get access to a machine with adsl/cable and a
> burner?  That way, your "someone" will have disks.
> 
> Yes, it's possible.  No, it's not much fun.  I just did an apt-get
> upgrade and it tied up my phone for days.
> 
My last dist-upgrade took 36 hours.
Regards,

David.


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RE: network install via dialup?

[Preston Boyington]

> -Original Message-
> From: James Miller
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: network install via dialup?
> 
> 
> I'm thinking of recommending Debian to someone who has only a dialin
> connection to the 'net.  For various reasons, a network 
> install would be
> the best option for them.  Is it reasonable to expect them to 
> be able to
> do a network install over dialup?  I should also explain that 
> this will be
> a fairly minimal system.  What I would recommend them to do 
> is to install
> the base system, then XFree (using tasksel) and a lightweight 
> window mgr
> and maybe browser (e.g., Links - maybe Dillo).  That's the 
> way the initial
> install would look, in my thinking.  Other programs could be added as
> needed, via apt-get.  Would this be feasible to do over 
> dialup?  Probably
> would take several hours, wouldn't it?  Oh, and I should ask 
> whether the
> install-base routine can resume broken downloads (in case the 
> modem drops
> the connection or the ISP kicks them offline or something)?
> 
> Thanks, James
> 

I used one of the mini iso's to load Woody on my Compaq laptop.  I like the
mini iso because it has a complete system and after loaded you can "apt-get"
any other program you wish.  check the debian.org site and look for "net
install" or similar.  The one I used was the "Lord Sutch" mini iso and now
this is the only way I load Debian on my computers.  It will take a while to
download things like KDE and GNOME (if you use those), but apt will resume
broken downloads.  The install will mainly take time and patience with a
dialup, but is really not that bad (if you don't mind connecting before you
go to bed).

good luck,
preston
 


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Re: network install via dialup?

[s. keeling]

Incoming from James Miller:
> I'm thinking of recommending Debian to someone who has only a dialin
> connection to the 'net.  For various reasons, a network install would be

Isn't cheapbytes still out there?  The last time I bought from them,
shipping cost more than the disks.

Alternatively, can't you get access to a machine with adsl/cable and a
burner?  That way, your "someone" will have disks.

Yes, it's possible.  No, it's not much fun.  I just did an apt-get
upgrade and it tied up my phone for days.


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Re: Network Install: dbootstrap exits with error after package download

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 09:14:53AM -0500, Avdi B. Grimm wrote:
> Hi folks, maybe someone can help me with this.  Although I've been
> running Debian testing/unstable for many months now on what was
> originally a Progeny box, this is the first time I've done a plain
> vanilla Debian install.  I'm trying to install Debian 3 on a Pentium
> 200 w/48MB RAM and a ~600MB HD (pathetic, I know).  I've successfully
> booted with the "compact" floppy set, allocated system and swap
> partitions, and gotten through the network setup section.  My problem
> comes when I try to do the "base system install".  I'm using the
> network install method.  It successfully downloads all packages, and
> then as soon as it's finished downloading, pops up a message box
> reading "dbootstrap exited with an error (exit status 1)".  (That may
> not be verbatim, but it's close).  I've looked at the log available on
> the third virtual terminal, and at /var/log/messages, but it doesn't
> have any more information.  There's an entry for dbootstrap starting,
> and then the error message.

Maybe you have corrupt packages?  Try comparing md5sums that you gereate
locally with the ones stored on the Debian mirrors.  Have you searched
the debian-user archive? Google?  Checked if there is a bug against
debootstrap (bugs.debian.org/packagename)?

-rob



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Re: Network Install & Network Drivers

[Donald R. Spoon]

Nicholas Avenell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --snip-- <

...where my network card isn't there. Or, rather, the driver of my
network card isn't there. The driver it uses is 8139cp (or 8139too, it
doesn't matter). The question is how did it contact my DHCP server,
firewall, the FTP server and everything else if it doesn't know what my
network card is, and can I find out what module or driver it was using
for this magic purpose?


Whenever a kernel is compiled you make several choices of what to 
compile into the kernel, omit, or compile as a module during the "make 
config" step.  When you use a pre-compiled kernel, you are using 
some-one elses's idea of the proper config.  It may or may not be 
correct for your particular setup.  Most of the time drivers for the 
nost commonly used items are compiled into the kernel to make network 
installs work... things like common NIC drivers, HD drivers, etc. In 
your case it sounds like the package maintainer made a pretty good guess 
about your hardware!  Both the 8139cp and 8139too drivers are compiled 
into the kernel (along with others).


The list of options used to compile any given kernel-image package is 
usually included in /boot/config- file.  Open it up with 
a text editor and scan it to see what you already have.


Cheers,
-Don Spoon-




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RE: Network install of woody or sid via potato (was Re: Enough ti me wasted, moving on)

[Patrick Kirk]

On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 13:09, McGillan, Patrick wrote:

> My preferred method, and I've used it twice in recent days, is to unplug
> from the network before the finish of the install. The program crashes out
> with a minimal install. Then I do these steps;
> 
> plug the network back in
> edit '/etc/apt/sources.list' and change the word 'stable' to 'woody' on the
> line to be used
> apt-get update -- gets the latest package info
> apt-get install apt dpkg apt-utils -- update these packages first
> apt-get dist-upgrade -- may get some errors - just go to next step
> apt-get -f install -- force the upgrade that didn't work from above
> 
> Works for me, your mileage may vary.
As an alternative, hit Alt-F3 to open another console during instalation
and edit sources.list there...

I don't do that because I want a rock solid base before I update but it
does work for desktop machines.

RE: Network install of woody or sid via potato (was Re: Enough ti me wasted, moving on)

[McGillan, Patrick]

> A couple of posters have mentioned a network install.  Where are the
> details spelled out?  Are we talking installing from a running
> machine? Already network enabled?  My situation is that I have 2
> desktops before me.  A full well used redhat 7.1 on one machine and A
> solaris x86 on another.  The solaris (intel) has a second disk that
> had a skeleton install of Redhat on it before I began my adventures.
>
> I wanted to install Woody in its place.  So with a network install how
> would I proceed?  I mean in general. Not a detailed account.  I'll
> find and read any documentation I need.  Pointers would be nice though.
>
> I wouldn't mind the install being very basic for quite some time.
> Long as it is network ready.  Don't really care about X either.  At
> least not immediately.

My preferred method, and I've used it twice in recent days, is to unplug
from the network before the finish of the install. The program crashes out
with a minimal install. Then I do these steps;

plug the network back in
edit '/etc/apt/sources.list' and change the word 'stable' to 'woody' on the
line to be used
apt-get update -- gets the latest package info
apt-get install apt dpkg apt-utils -- update these packages first
apt-get dist-upgrade -- may get some errors - just go to next step
apt-get -f install -- force the upgrade that didn't work from above

Works for me, your mileage may vary.

Re: Network install of Debian

[dman]

On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 02:33:27PM -0700, Rob Park wrote:
...
| I _am_ able to ping the server correctly, and the network connection 
| does work because it downloads a bunch of other files first. I get this 
 
| problem when I try to download from both http.us.debian.org and 
  ^^^

What is "this problem"?  Post the exact error message.  I have
installed potato via the network with no problems, though it was a
while ago.

-D

Re: Network install switching to ppp access

[Sebastiaan]

High,

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Greetings;
> 
> I like Debian.
> 
> And for that matter.  I'd like to take my home machine in to the same rj45
> for faster updates/upgrades.  How can I make that ppp-installed Debian box
> access the intenet via nic?
> 
> 
If you have a gateway on the lan, it is very simple. Switch to an active 
console during second stage installation an log in as root. By hand:
# insmod (or modprobe <...>)
# ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
# route add default gw 192.168.1.254 eth0

and edit /etc/resolv.conf:
domain sacred-key.org
nameserver 130.161.180.1
nameserver 130.161.180.65

with your favorite data. You should be able to have a network connection.

When this works, you can use 'modconf' to configure your network card and
edit /etc/network/interfaces:
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.1
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.1.0
gateway 192.168.1.3



Greetz,
Sebastiaan