Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
On Ma, 04 oct 11, 12:32:29, kei...@strucktower.com wrote: I would also like to know how I can configure a console laptop (one with no gui- CLI only) to access wireless in the same manner- automatic detection of available wireless networks and a way to enter a key when necessary. Can someone point me to a tutorial that would help me? wicd-curses is far superior to any NM alternatives. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 12:32:29 -0700, keitho wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:02:37 -0700, keitho wrote: (...) BTW, the package which contains the applet is network-manager-gnome which you seem to have installed so you should be able to launch it by running nm-applet --sm-disable. Thank you for replying. It turns out that I did have the applet, but still could not connect. I finally figured out that the problem was due to my misunderstanding the difference between managed and not managed... I had inadvertently left some configuration info in my /etc/network/interfaces file that was interfering with the network-manager. After I removed the lines from the interfaces file everything now works as expected. Great! :-) Thank you again, you have been very helpful to me, and others on the debian-users list, more than once. You're welcome. I would also like to know how I can configure a console laptop (one with no gui- CLI only) to access wireless in the same manner- automatic detection of available wireless networks and a way to enter a key when necessary. Can someone point me to a tutorial that would help me? Mmm, I think network manager can be also used from command line (nmcli), but I'm not sure about its full capabilities :-? (...) Look, this article may help, I think it points to almost all of the possibilities: *** Configure wireless network from the command line http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/21541/configure-wireless-network-from-the-command-line *** Another option could be avoiding NM to manage the wifi interface and manually set the required settings by means of /etc/network/interfaces in join with wpa_supplicant, but this method seems annoying for a road warrior configuration :-): http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.05.14.13...@gmail.com
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:02:37 -0700, keitho wrote: I hate to say this, but I am confused about how to configure wireless on my Wheezy laptop system. (...) But I can't seem to figure out which software packages I need to do this. I am downloading the deb packages on a different computer then transfering them via USB flashdrive to my laptop, then using dpkg -i to install them. Of course I have had to get all the package dependencies, which takes time. So far I have installed wireless-tools, network-manager, wpasupplicant, network-manager-gnome, and a bunch of lib dependiencies. But I don't have an network-manager-applet. When I look online for an applet I only find the source, not a binary deb package. (...) That's strange. If you installed wheezy and selected desktop and laptop tools templates, network manager (as well as the required files, like the applet) should have been installed automatically by default :-? BTW, the package which contains the applet is network-manager-gnome which you seem to have installed so you should be able to launch it by running nm-applet --sm-disable. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.10.04.17.19...@gmail.com
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
Thank you for replying. It turns out that I did have the applet, but still could not connect. I finally figured out that the problem was due to my misunderstanding the difference between managed and not managed... I had inadvertently left some configuration info in my /etc/network/interfaces file that was interfering with the network-manager. After I removed the lines from the interfaces file everything now works as expected. Thank you again, you have been very helpful to me, and others on the debian-users list, more than once. I would also like to know how I can configure a console laptop (one with no gui- CLI only) to access wireless in the same manner- automatic detection of available wireless networks and a way to enter a key when necessary. Can someone point me to a tutorial that would help me? Keith Ostertag On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:02:37 -0700, keitho wrote: I hate to say this, but I am confused about how to configure wireless on my Wheezy laptop system. (...) But I can't seem to figure out which software packages I need to do this. I am downloading the deb packages on a different computer then transfering them via USB flashdrive to my laptop, then using dpkg -i to install them. Of course I have had to get all the package dependencies, which takes time. So far I have installed wireless-tools, network-manager, wpasupplicant, network-manager-gnome, and a bunch of lib dependiencies. But I don't have an network-manager-applet. When I look online for an applet I only find the source, not a binary deb package. (...) That's strange. If you installed wheezy and selected desktop and laptop tools templates, network manager (as well as the required files, like the applet) should have been installed automatically by default :-? BTW, the package which contains the applet is network-manager-gnome which you seem to have installed so you should be able to launch it by running nm-applet --sm-disable. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/56eed7bba68ad3ef84101b1f5b77f1aa.squir...@webmail.strucktower.com
Re: newbie questions- laptop wireless for Wheezy with Gnome
On Tue 04 Oct 2011 at 12:32:29 -0700, kei...@strucktower.com wrote: I would also like to know how I can configure a console laptop (one with no gui- CLI only) to access wireless in the same manner- automatic detection of available wireless networks and a way to enter a key when necessary. Can someone point me to a tutorial that would help me? How attractive does cnetworkmanager look to you? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111004235226.GA23580@desktop
Re: Newbie Questions - Program dir?
On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 05:37:28PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: Randy Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? AFAIK: If you're getting a source tarball and compiling it, the source goes in /usr/local/src and the resultant binaries go under /usr/local. If you're getting a binary tarball (which therefore doesn't come with a make uninstall script), you can unpack it into its own directory tree under /opt (e.g. /opt/EsayEclipse). You will then have /opt/EsayEclipse/bin/... Then when you want to remove this package, just delete its directory. Remember to put the /opt/... path in user's path. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions - Program dir?
Randy Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? AFAIR locally compiled stuff should go to /usr/local/ Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie Questions - Program dir?
Le jeudi 05 avril 2007 23:15, Randy Patterson a écrit : I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? Thanks in Advance! Randy You have the choice, but there's two principal ways : - /usr/local (default for many make install targets, I prefer that) - /opt (suse, HP-UX) pgpDSk43P3e5u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie Questions - Program dir?
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Randy Patterson wrote: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? Thanks in Advance! Randy /usr/local/bin/ always seems like a good place, most software done through the standard ./configure make make install , will default to /usr/local for its install. for more info on where things are and where they should go, see: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html -+- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Techno. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions - Program dir?
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 04:15:31PM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? there is not necessarily a right place. It is common however, to put things that are not handled by the apt system into /opt or perhaps into /usr/local depending on your preference or system requirements. see http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Newbie Questions - Program dir?
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Gilles Mocellin wrote: Le jeudi 05 avril 2007 23:15, Randy Patterson a ?crit?: I am in the process of RTFM, I'm in chapter 4 :-) and have googled without really finding an answer. When installing non-Debian packages (EsayEclipse for PHP) from tar.gz files, where is the best place to put them in the dir structure so that all users will have access to them? Is there a 'right' place or does it matter as long as they are outside a users home dir? Thanks in Advance! Randy You have the choice, but there's two principal ways : - /usr/local (default for many make install targets, I prefer that) - /opt (suse, HP-UX) I would suggest looking at the 'stow' package also. It allows one to keep track of these additional programs installed manually and install or deinstall them. Depending upon how much you install in /usr/local or /opt, it can be difficult to figure out what package each file corresponds to if you ever want to get rid of it.
Re: Newbie questions: kernel upgrade sound
On (21/01/06 17:22), Koos van der Merwe wrote: I recently aquired a new motherboard (Jetway ATi Radeon Xpress 200) with onboard sound), new CPU (AMD64) and new graphics card (nVidia geForce). I previously preferred Knoppix because of its good hardware detection, but this time it let me down and I was without sound. Enter Debian... I installed from the network installation ISO Debian stable and everything works fine except for the sound. PROBLEM STATEMENT: On Windows I installed the ALC880 driver that came with the motherboard and it works. Googled, found a linux driver at www.opendrivers.com. Tried to install it: It seems it is alsa-driver-1.0.4 . It won't compile... make[3]: *** [/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild/../pci/via82xx.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild/../pci] Error 2 make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/alsa-driver-1.0.4/kbuild] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386' make: *** [compile] Error 2 Googled: apparently some ALC880 problems in alsa-driver-1.0.9 were only fixed in alsa-driver-1.0.10 (http://www.alsa-project.org/changes/v1-0-9--v1-0-10.txt). Moreover, there seems to be problems with the alsa-driver and kernels older than 2.6.15. But apt (Synaptic) can't find a kernel 2.6.15! I would like not to break the current system, as I already installed most of the programs I want (games excluded because of the lack of sound). And the current kernel 2.6.8-2 is working just fine for everything else. I would like to stay with sarge, because of the stability. I added testing (and unstable) to sources.list and created QUESTIONS: 1. Is there any problems with the stability of the newer kernels? Why is it not included in sarge? New kernels aren't added to the stable release; recent kernels have to be recompiled for sarge 2. Do I need to compile a new kernel or is it possible to just apt-get install a new kernel version? Will doing this have any effect on the rest of the system? (I.e. will I still have a Debian stable version at the end of the day?) It may be daunting but compiling your own kernel is not that difficult, check out: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html 3. I it possible to just add the new kernel and still keep the official current kernel as an option in GRUB? How? (Links to how-to's?) You may break your system; the latest kernel, I could get to work on sarge is 2.6.12 (from etch) 4. Isn't there some kind of wrapper module that one can use to just wrap around the Windows drivers provided by the hardware manufacturers? Beyond my level of knowledge, I'm afraid but I guess it's doable Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions de debutant...
yoda ecrit: bonsoir, moi-meme débutant je peux repondre un petit peu... John Kristell Coutel a écrit : Bonjour a tous, Je suis super content d'avoir installe Sarge sur mon portable Asus M5N. J'ai installer des softs comme gkrellm,Beep Media Player,Mozilla-firefox, tout marche correctement, c'est juste que je me pose des p'tites questions Alors en premier, je ne sais pas ou ajouter la ligne de commade pour lancer gkrellm automatiquement au demarrage du server X si tu es sous KDE gkrellm peut rester ouvert il sera repris au redémarrage de KDE du moins chez moi c'est comme cela. aussi, je ne trouve pas evidant du tout de trouver les dossiers...par exemple je cherchais et cherche encore ou est le dossier Skins de Beep Media Player pour pouvoir y transferer mes ex-skin de WinAmp, j'ai essaye de faire Find skin a partir d'un Xterm...enfin je sais pas faire. J'ai aussi regarder dans /etc/ mais pas trouver de dossier concernant Beep Media Player...je sais pas ou il est !!! /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/ ou /usr/share/ les autres programmes perso je mets les skins de chaque programme dans /home/monuser/.xmms/Skins par exemple il y a des fichiers et repertoires cachés dans ton user (.repertoire du programme) ces repertoires contiennet tes parametres perso etc. Beep Media Player je connaissas pas je vais voir le truc Voila, sinon je suis super mega content que Sarge marche de feu sur mon laptop...je suis en train d'apprendre et de me raflechir les commandes de bases J'image que vous avez tous des recommendations et conseils a me donner pour entretien et ameliorer ma distrib prefere ;) perso je lis beaucoup a oui, un dernier p'tit truc, dans le fichier ./bachrc on y met que des alais ou on peux y mettre des raccourci aussi ? Merci de votre precieuse aide, et bon Weekend, bienvenu dans le monde libre :) a+ yoda -- Membre du Club des Utilisateurs de Libre de Toulouse et des environs. Debian Sarge Stable user 2.6.8.2-i386 KDE 3.4.1 Testing 2.6.11-1-k7 xfce 4.2.2 http://www.culte.org # http://www.odebi.org/new/theme/ http://gnutux.free.fr # http://www.mozilla-europe.org/fr/ --- -- Pensez à lire la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianFrench Pensez à rajouter le mot ``spam'' dans vos champs From et Reply-To: To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions de debutant...
Je complète la réponse de yoda. Le samedi 20 août 2005 à 17:36 +0100, John Kristell Coutel a écrit : Bonjour a tous, Je suis super content d'avoir installe Sarge sur mon portable Asus M5N. J'ai installer des softs comme gkrellm,Beep Media Player,Mozilla-firefox, tout marche correctement, c'est juste que je me pose des p'tites questions Alors en premier, je ne sais pas ou ajouter la ligne de commade pour lancer gkrellm automatiquement au demarrage du server X aussi, Si tu es sous GNOME il faut configurer ça avec l'outil de gestion de sessions. Tu peux le lancer depuis un terminal gnome-session-properties ou dans le menu des préférences avancées de préférences du bureaux (bizarre d'ailleurs je ne le vois pas sur ma testing). Tu va sur l'onglet programmes au démarrage et tu peux l'ajouter. Si tu n'es ni sous GNOME ou KDE tu peux probablement regarder du côté de ton $HOME/.xsession je ne trouve pas evidant du tout de trouver les dossiers...par exemple je cherchais et cherche encore ou est le dossier Skins de Beep Media Player pour pouvoir y transferer mes ex-skin de WinAmp, j'ai essaye de faire Find skin a partir d'un Xterm...enfin je sais pas faire. J'ai aussi regarder dans /etc/ mais pas trouver de dossier concernant Beep Media Player...je sais pas ou il est !!! find est une commande puissante mais pas vraiment intuitive. Une commande plus simple est la commande locate. Tu fait locate machin et il te sortira la liste des fichiers qui contiennent machin dans leur nom. Juste il faut faire un updatedb en root de temps en temps pour que l'index du disque soit à jour. Pour répondre à ta question google est ton ami : http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/User%27s_guide#Skin_Installation Il semble que les skin soient dans /usr/share/bmp ou $HOME/.bmp , ce qui est logique. etc est plutot pour des fichier de configuration. Voila, sinon je suis super mega content que Sarge marche de feu sur mon laptop...je suis en train d'apprendre et de me raflechir les commandes de bases Bon raflechissement (pas sur de bien comprendre ce que c'est) :) a oui, un dernier p'tit truc, dans le fichier ./bachrc on y met que des alais ou on peux y mettre des raccourci aussi ? Des raccourcis ? Qu'est ce que tu appelle des raccourcis ? Tu peux y mettre tout ce que tu peut taper dans un shell. Merci de votre precieuse aide, et bon Weekend, Bonne chance et bon WE. Thomas signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: newbie questions rsh and open sockets
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 10:58:39AM +0530, Anand Raman wrote: | Shouldnt the socket connections be closed the moment rsh completes | the command execution No. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# netstat | Active Internet connections (w/o servers) | Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State | tcp0 0 10.210.5.45:shell 10.210.5.71:1017 TIME_WAIT | tcp0 0 10.210.5.45:102310.210.5.71:1016 TIME_WAIT ^ TIME_WAIT is one of the states defined for a TCP socket in RFC 793 (the specification for TCP). Read section 3.5 to understand what happens when a connection is closed. Basically the system must still accept (and ACK) packets for a short while for clean up. It is possible for some packets to take a longer route than others and thus (legitimately) arrive after the connection is closed. -D -- There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20 http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie questions
* Kent West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Mar 10. 2003 00:44]: Amen! most is more than less! Cool. It's more or less the most you can get out of a pager. -- Brian Clark | Debian GNU/Linux: 3950 packages to keep you busy. Fingerprint: 07CE FA37 8DF6 A109 8119 076B B5A2 E5FB E4D0 C7C8 If lollipops were outlawed, only criminals would suck. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:12:03PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: I'm nominating Kevin and Brian jointly to share an award for Debian's hot tip of the month. I unstalled most, then used update-alternatives to config my pager, and my man pages now look spectacular. Now if only Debian had a tool to make me look this good. Ditto, Anyone tell me how to make the default editor of most to nano? Most is using vi at the moment. I'm not sure where to change it. my default editor is: zork:/usr/share/doc/most# update-alternatives --display editor editor - status is manual. link currently points to /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/nvi - priority 19 slave editor.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/nvi.1.gz /bin/ed - priority -100 /usr/bin/nano - priority 40 slave editor.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/nano.1.gz Current `best' version is /usr/bin/nano. I also tried: # MOST_EDITOR='nano %s' and # SLANG_EDITOR=nano %s #not sure re: quotes vs tick marks I tried both ways. Thanks for any input. John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 03:04:33PM -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: I personally use the arrow-up key. Not entirely sure what that maps out as, but it works for me... More only understands going down. 8:o) -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie questions
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:33:15 -0500 Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen! most is more than less! Cool. It's more or less the most you can get out of a pager. At least until somebody unleashes least on an unsuspecting world. You know this is coming :) Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 05:02:24PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'more' can't go back when reading from standard input. Try installing 'less' instead; it's a better pager in other ways anyway. Even better, use most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until read a few man pages. Kevin an excellent tip. mind if i append this to my collection? (see below...) -- I use Debian/GNU Linux version 3.0; Linux server 2.4.20-k6 #1 Mon Jan 13 23:49:14 EST 2003 i586 unknown DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #134 from Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Looking for a BETTER PAGER? Try most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until I read a few man pages. apt-get install most update-alternatives --config pager export PAGER=most Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:17:01 -0600 Will Trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an excellent tip. mind if i append this to my collection? (see below...) Umm, thanks. Go right ahead! Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:43:24PM +0100, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: 2 - Doing a 'man-k some_command' (or man -f some_command) does not work. Is there a misconfiguration somewhere? You probably need to run '/etc/cron.daily/man-db' as root. If your system is on full-time then cron should do this for you; otherwise, install anacron. (There was a bug in the version of man-db in woody that meant the installation process didn't do this automatically. Sorry.) 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... 'more' can't go back when reading from standard input. Try installing 'less' instead; it's a better pager in other ways anyway. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Mar 09. 2003 15:40]: On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:43:24PM +0100, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... 'more' can't go back when reading from standard input. Try installing 'less' instead; it's a better pager in other ways anyway. Now would be a great to mention update-alternatives too. :-) update-alternatives(8) (when you get man working) (~)% update-alternatives --config pager There are 3 programs which provide `pager'. SelectionCommand --- 1/bin/more *+2/usr/bin/less 3/usr/bin/w3m Enter to keep the default[*], or type selection number: -- Brian Clark | Debian GNU/Linux: 3950 packages to keep you busy. Fingerprint: 07CE FA37 8DF6 A109 8119 076B B5A2 E5FB E4D0 C7C8 If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:43:24PM +0100, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: 1 - I keep getting console messages about 'eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1' and 'eth0: link down'. These two messages alternate regularly. When the link is down, of course I cannot connect to anything. Also, how do I avoid getting these annoying messages? are you sure this isn't a problem with your connection? do you get similar messages on your freebsd box? i think the easiest way to keep those messages off your console is to redirect them in /etc/syslog.conf(5) 2 - Doing a 'man-k some_command' (or man -f some_command) does not work. Is there a misconfiguration somewhere? man -k searches for keywords, not commands... or do you mean that it just doesn't work at all? i know that man -k was segfaulting on my unstable box for a while, but it's since been fixed and you said you're running stable. if it doesn't work at all, what version of man-db do you have installed? (you can find this out with dpkg --status man-db) 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... it might be that you only have more installed. try apt-get install less and see if that fixes your problem. hth sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie questions
'more' can't go back when reading from standard input. Try installing 'less' instead; it's a better pager in other ways anyway. Even better, use most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until read a few man pages. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:43:24 +0100 Inge Thorin Eidsaether [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I'm a newcomer to Debian from FreeBSD, and have a couple of questions some of you guys may know the answer to: 1 - I keep getting console messages about 'eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1' and 'eth0: link down'. These two messages alternate regularly. When the link is down, of course I cannot connect to anything. Also, how do I avoid getting these annoying messages? I get that result when trying to use a 10/100 NIC with a 10/100 hub or router. Both the NIC and the hub/router are trying to auto-negotiate the speed and mode, and they just pointed fingers at each other without agreeing to anything. I found I needed to force my NIC to 10Mbps and half-duplex to make things work. In order to force the NIC to use a particular mode, you need to pass an option to the pcnet32 module when it loads. I looked a while for the syntax but didn't find it. Perhaps someone else here knows. Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 08:43:24PM +0100, Inge Thorin Eidsaether wrote: 1 - I keep getting console messages about 'eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1' and 'eth0: link down'. These two messages alternate regularly. When the link is down, of course I cannot connect to anything. Also, how do I avoid getting these annoying messages? Keep your network cord plugged in? 2 - Doing a 'man-k some_command' (or man -f some_command) does not work. Is there a misconfiguration somewhere? man -k keyword is what you're looking for... 3 - How do I go backwards in a man page reading? Looks like 'more' is used to page the ouput to screen, but 'b' or ^B does not work here. Silly question, maybe... Use some other pager (heck, when you're using more, *any* other pager) instead. You'll be able to scroll up then. -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:02:24 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even better, use most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until read a few man pages. Kevin On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:45:02 -0500 Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now would be a great to mention update-alternatives too. :-) update-alternatives(8) (when you get man working) (~)% update-alternatives --config pager I'm nominating Kevin and Brian jointly to share an award for Debian's hot tip of the month. I unstalled most, then used update-alternatives to config my pager, and my man pages now look spectacular. Now if only Debian had a tool to make me look this good. - Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robert Storey wrote: On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:02:24 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even better, use most; it supports color. I would have turned my nose up at that, until read a few man pages. Kevin On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:45:02 -0500 Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now would be a great to mention update-alternatives too. :-) update-alternatives(8) (when you get man working) (~)% update-alternatives --config pager I'm nominating Kevin and Brian jointly to share an award for Debian's hot tip of the month. I unstalled most, then used update-alternatives to config my pager, and my man pages now look spectacular. Now if only Debian had a tool to make me look this good. - Robert Amen! most is more than less! Cool. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:11:14PM -0700, C. Brewer wrote: Anti-aliasing fonts and icons (through KDE), do I need it? What is the purpose? And if it's a good thing,where to find simple info? The technical advice on many subjects often leaves me bewildered:( Fonts are (ideally) made up of nice geometric curves and so can be scaled in size with no loss of quality. Your screen displays bitmaps though, so they have to be converted before you can see them. This bit is called `rasterisation' and is surprisingly tricky to do well. Run xmag and look at some text on your screen. You'll notice that the edge is blocky and uneven; this blockiness is called aliasing. There are two ways to get rid of this blockiness: increase the resolution (pixels/cm) of your display or hide it (anti-aliasing). Obviously, the hiding method is a lot easier to do in software than the resolution one:) So anti-aliasing software blends the edges of your text with the background it's sitting on, making it look a _lot_ smoother, but sometimes a bit smudgy. There are lots of ways to do this, but the best method in common usage is patented by Apple and is thus unavailable to Free software users. There's lots of debate about AA these days. Some people love it, some people hate it. If you're using KDE, then you can enable it in the `Font' section of the Control Centre (IIRC, it's been a while...). If you're using GNOME 1.4, install the `gdkxft-capplet' package and enable AA in the Gdkxft section of the Control Panel. Give it a try, you might like it. It's easy enough to disable, and it doesn't cause too much of a slowdown on your system either. You will need good quality fonts though; the best seem either MS's in the msttfcorefonts package unfortunately, but they'll have to do until some really good Free fonts appear. Also noted that my system does not power down on halt. I changed my prefs in KDE to use /sbin/poweroff instead of /sbin/halt. After reading the man pages on poweroff, halt and reboot, I am left even more confused. The man pages say that when halt or poweroff is called from other than runlevels 0 or 6, it invokes shutdown instead. I have tried,as root and user to /sbin/halt -p, /sbin/poweroff and just plain poweroff, all ending with the system going through the halt process and stopping with the message : Power Down, without actually killing the power. Looking in my /etc/init.d/ I see the halt and reboot scripts, but I am lacking the equivalent for poweroff. Is this the I think you just need to enable APM support. Add a line that says append=apm=on to your lilo.conf, re-run lilo and reboot. It should (if your hardware supports it) power itself off the next time you shutdown. -rob msg09422/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 01:31:51AM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 11:11:14PM -0700, C. Brewer wrote: through the halt process and stopping with the message : Power Down, without actually killing the power. Looking in my /etc/init.d/ I see the halt and reboot scripts, but I am lacking the equivalent for poweroff. Is this the I think you just need to enable APM support. Add a line that says append=apm=on to your lilo.conf, re-run lilo and reboot. It should (if your hardware supports it) power itself off the next time you shutdown. If C. Brewer was using 2.4 kernel, i think he need to do following from the root (suppose he is not on SMP machine) # echo apm /etc/mofules # insmod apm For full instruction, see Debian Reference http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-apm -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 02:19, Hugh Saunders wrote: 26/10/2002 07:11:14, C. Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the a few site on setting up te true-type windows fonts, but this covers only .ttf. Is it any different to do .fon fonts? i thought .fon werent true type? could be wrong, -- hugh Same here - I thought that .fon were bitmaps used by M$ before Adobe showed that a PC could scale font description files on the fly. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Newbie Questions
Hi Chuck, --- C. Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found the a few site on setting up te true-type windows fonts, but this covers only .ttf. Is it any different to do .fon fonts? Anti-aliasing fonts and icons (through KDE), do I need it? What is the purpose? And if it's a good thing,where to find simple info? The technical advice on many subjects often leaves me bewildered:( Also noted that my system does not power down on halt. I changed my prefs in KDE to use /sbin/poweroff instead of /sbin/halt. After reading the man pages on poweroff, halt and reboot, I am left even more confused. The man pages say that when halt or poweroff is called from other than runlevels 0 or 6, it invokes shutdown instead. I have tried,as root and user to /sbin/halt -p, /sbin/poweroff and just plain poweroff, all ending with the system going through the halt process and stopping with the message : Power Down, without actually killing the power. Looking in my /etc/init.d/ I see the halt and reboot scripts, but I am lacking the equivalent for poweroff. Is this the problem, and if so, how do I remedy this? In your etc/lilo.conf you need to add to the append=apm=on After you make that entry you need to type lilo in the terminal to maje sure that you update the lilo.conf file. Then when you power down your system it should turn off. I always use as su 'shutdown -h now' HTH Don I know this is probably basic for the list, but i'm trying:( - -- Chuck Brewer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9ujIG4cYuSvLqsAoRAg85AJ9YBWsDPTCnf5xeDhJc6m5qucgI7ACfexgC NC/tUlIY1QykytFFiK0hWOw= =4qMm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions diverses car problème
--- François Chenais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bonjour, Je suis nouveau qd à l'utilisation de la distribution Debian de Linux. J'ai jusqu'à aujourd'hui, utilisé surtout la slackware (nostalgie) ou périodiquement une suse ou une RH. Je viens donc d'installer une debian via réseau sur un portable Nec Versa Note Vxi. J'ai procedé comme suit : 1) disquettes d'install reiserFS 1bis) install de la version stable (ftp.fr.debian.org) 2) modification de /etc/apt/sources.list pour passer à woody + apt-get update + apt-get dist-upgrade (plusieures fois car erreurs) + apt-get upgrade + aps-get update Jusque là, tou va bien. Comme la version des reiserfs du noyau 2.2.19 de woody ne connaissait pas la version de reiserFS de ma slackware, je suis passé au noyau 2.4.14 3) apt-get install kernel-(binary?)-2.4.14-686-smp apt-get install kernel-modules-2.4.14-686-smp reboot et :-|, ma carte réseau pcmcia 3c589 n'est plus reconnue !:-| Avez vous une idée pour me débloquer la situation ??? En fait, je ne sais pas si c'est un pb du noyau lui même ou de l'installe de woody. Bonjour, J'ai eu un truc bizarre en passant au 2.4 sur mon portable : le pilote PCMCIA ne voulait plus fonctionner (i où est un nombre, je ne sais plus lequel : je suis au boulot et je n'ai pas accès à la moindre machine sous linux :-() J'ai essayé en lui disant que le contrôleur PCMCIA était un yenta, et ça marche ... J'ai juste eu à donner le nom du module dans un fichier de /etc/pcmcia pour que ça passe. Désolé de ne pas pouvoir être plus précis, mais comme je n'ai fait la manipulation qu'une seule fois, je ne me rappelle plus très bien. François. = Francois BOTTIN -- How kind, the PFY sighs. But where will I go? Somewhere where they know nothing about computing... where they wouldn't know a RAM chip from a potato chip! But I don't want to visit Microsoft! he whines. The BOFH 1998 - Simon Travaglia (bofh.ntk.net) Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! The competition ends 16 th of December 2001.
Re: Newbie questions diverses car problème
Le modprobe 3c589_cs me dit (dans le desordre car je ne suis pas sous ma slack en ce moment): Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.4.14-686-smp/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module: Operation not permitted /lib/modules/2.4.14-686-smp/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.14-686-smp/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.14-686-smp/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/ds.o: insmod 3c589_cs failed François On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:25:14 +0100 Olivier Garet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quels sont les messages de démarrage ? Olivier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] BULL-CITBtel:(+33) 556 437 848 Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 207, cours du Médoc fax:(+33) 556 437 978 http://www.citb.bull.net 33000 Bordeaux BullCom: 227 7848 ICQ :3886291 -- Linux - dmesg.txt Description: Binary data
Re: Newbie questions diverses car problme
Le Mercredi 5 Décembre 2001 18:10, François Chenais a écrit : 3) apt-get install kernel-(binary?)-2.4.14-686-smp apt-get install kernel-modules-2.4.14-686-smp reboot et :-|, ma carte réseau pcmcia 3c589 n'est plus reconnue !:-| C'est sans doute que la config du noyau de Debian n'est pas adaptée à ta configuration matérielle. La solution, c'est de recompiler le noyau avec la bonne option concernant ta carte réseau. Je ne peux pas t'aider plus que ça, car je n'ai pas de carte réseau :-( Bon courage ! -- Michel Grentzinger
Re: newbie questions
--- James A. Hilsenteger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made the plunge and completely turned my Dell Inspiron 3000 into a Debian box. Welcome aboard, remember Google is your freind and this site is great for harvesting answers from. After a few false starts I have a working Debian computer using the Enlightened desktop. Under the main desktop menu, I cannot get some of the programs to respond. I've looked recently at the Enlightened desktop and have found that the menu list is not as complete as the GNOME menu bar (I'm assuming that's what you mean) Go to your home directory, you should see an .enlightenment subdirectory. You'll see .menu files under there. It appears that the floating menus are mantained as updateable text files. How to update them aside from manual intervention, I don't know. I was able to have my gnome task bar overlaid on my enlightened desktop. This could be a way around your problem (if I got it right). Also I need some suggestions on a word processor and user-friendly database program. Someone mentioned StarOffice, I think that's a good one to go with. I don't have it on my Debian system yet. If I were to need a word processor, I'd go that route. Hope this helps. Scott Hamma __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: newbie questions
The best thing you for you to do it to go to http://www.linux-laptop.net and look for your computer model. It should give you a lot of help G On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, James A. Hilsenteger wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:30:32 -0700 From: James A. Hilsenteger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: James A. Hilsenteger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: newbie questions Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org I made the plunge and completely turned my Dell Inspiron 3000 into a Debian box. I installed using the CD's (that is installed multiple times). After a few false starts I have a working Debian computer using the Enlightened desktop. I'm unfortunately less than complete in my installation. Under the main desktop menu, I cannot get some of the programs to respond. Specifically I cannot get Netscape to run as well as I cannot get any games to show up. Also I need some suggestions on a word processor and user-friendly database program. I have one week before I start classes and I'd really prefer to get this box running under Debian. I'm going into the belly of the beast called Law School in the hopes of pursuing my idealistic interests in intellectual property. I'm mostly technically savvy,but not completely (read: I'm a mechanical engineering by schooling and previous job). Thanks ahead of time for any help. James A. Hilsenteger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie questions
Hi James. I can answer some of your questions...
It sounds like Netscape isn't installed yet. To find out, get to a
command line by starting up an Eterm (or something similar, like xterm
or rxvt - these can probably be found in the menus when you click on
the desktop.) Type 'netscape' enter in the window; if you get a
message like netscape: command not found, then you need to install
the communicator package. Do this by typing the command 'apt-get
install communicator' as the root user. If you're not sure how to do
this, ask for more detail. If you get some other error message, post
it here.
For games, each game has their own package. 'apt-get install
gnome-games' will install a few simple games (including a tetris
clone). You can browse available game (and other) packages using the
deity program ('apt-get install deity').
Incidentally, I'm telling you how to install packages (software) with a
command line. If you want a graphical program, try gnome-apt ('apt-get
install gnome-apt' if it isn't on your system yet :) All package
installation must be done as the root user, btw.
Two good word processors are kword and abiword. ('apt-get install
kword' or 'apt-get install abiword'). They are fairly equivalent to
each other, and both very good, with much of the functionality of MS
Word.
I don't know enough about database apps to comment, except that there
may not be an Access clone available. (There are several good database
systems for developers, but that's not what you need I think.) For
data needs that could be managed by Excel, you can try gnumeric or
kspread ('apt-get install gnumeric' or 'apt-get install kspread').
Let us know how this goes, or ask if anything's unclear. And welcome
to Debian.
Aaron
On Sunday 19 August 2001 21:30, James A. Hilsenteger wrote:
I made the plunge and completely turned my Dell Inspiron 3000 into a
Debian box. I installed using the CD's (that is installed multiple
times).
After a few false starts I have a working Debian computer using the
Enlightened desktop. I'm unfortunately less than complete in my
installation. Under the main desktop menu, I cannot get some of the
programs to respond. Specifically I cannot get Netscape to run as
well as I cannot get any games to show up.
Also I need some suggestions on a word processor and user-friendly
database program. I have one week before I start classes and I'd
really prefer to get this box running under Debian. I'm going into
the belly of the beast called Law School in the hopes of pursuing my
idealistic interests in intellectual property. I'm mostly
technically savvy,but not completely (read: I'm a mechanical
engineering by schooling and previous job).
Thanks ahead of time for any help.
James A. Hilsenteger
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Re: newbie questions
In linux.debian.user, you wrote: I made the plunge and completely turned my Dell Inspiron 3000 into a Debian box. I installed using the CD's (that is installed multiple times). After a few false starts I have a working Debian computer using the Enlightened desktop. I'm unfortunately less than complete in my installation. Under the main desktop menu, I cannot get some of the programs to respond. Specifically I cannot get Netscape to run as well as I cannot get any games to show up. Also I need some suggestions on a word processor and user-friendly database program. I have one week before I start classes and I'd really prefer to get this box running under Debian. I'm going into the belly of the beast called Law School in the hopes of pursuing my idealistic interests in intellectual property. I'm mostly technically savvy,but not completely (read: I'm a mechanical engineering by schooling and previous job). Thanks ahead of time for any help. James A. Hilsenteger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netscape has to be installed off the internet. It is not on the cd's. I had cd's that didn't install properly on my system. I tried it more than once too. I found out that not everything had got installed when I installed a small program (joe) that I like for an editor. Then all sorts of stuff started installing. These were packages I needed, but that had just not finished installing. I think there was a glitch on the cd somewhere. You might want to install Star Office. It has access compatible db, spreadsheet and word processor compatible with Word. It takes lots of memory to run and is pretty slow to load since it is big. I'm still using 5.1 since I couldn't get 5.2 to install for some reason. I think I had not got a good download on it. They are big files to download. Anita
Re: newbie questions
On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, James A. Hilsenteger wrote: I made the plunge and completely turned my Dell Inspiron 3000 into a Debian box. Good idea. I presume you are running Debian 2.2 After a few false starts I have a working Debian computer using the Enlightened desktop. I'm unfortunately less than complete in my installation. Under the main desktop menu, I cannot get some of the programs to respond. Specifically I cannot get Netscape to run as well as I cannot get any games to show up. What happens whn you type netscape or the name of the game(s) in a terminal? You should get some error messages that'll help us. Also I need some suggestions on a word processor and user-friendly database program. Well thats a more difficult and controversial question. StarOffice is quite good. If you are looking for a WYSIWYG word processor this is your choice I guess. But it's big (it's an all in one OfficeSuite). It's free and especially StarWriter is very compatible with MSWord. You'll get a restricted ADABAS for SO as an extra download from the SUN site. Thanks ahead of time for any help. James A. Hilsenteger Frank
Re: newbie questions
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 09:30:32PM -0700, James A. Hilsenteger wrote: | I made the plunge and completely turned my Dell Inspiron 3000 into a Debian | box. I installed using the CD's (that is installed multiple times). Welcome to a software world of stability, configurability, and operability :-). | After a few false starts I have a working Debian computer using the | Enlightened desktop. I'm unfortunately less than complete in my | installation. Under the main desktop menu, I cannot get some of the | programs to respond. Specifically I cannot get Netscape to run as well as I | cannot get any games to show up. You probably don't have netscape or the games installed. They shouldn't show up in the menu then (I assume you're using the GNOME foot menu), but sometimes they do. I recommend galeon as a better web browser than netscape. It too uses mozilla as the rendering engine. Simply 'apt-get install galeon' from the command line (click the monitor-like icon on the panel that says Terminal emulation program). The 'gnome-games' package depends on all the various game packages for gnome so you should install that too. I just checked on galeon and it is only available in sid right now (aka unstable -- it won't be on your cds). If you want to try it, you have a few choices : a) download it and any dependencies and install them manually using dpkg b) adjust apt's configuration so it can download and install it (and dependencies) for you, then switch apt back to stable. To do (b), edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put the following lines at the top : deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sid/non-US main contrib non-free Then run 'apt-get update' followed by 'apt-get install galeon'. Once galeon (and dependencies) have downloaded and installed you should remove those lines from the sources.list file. The risk with doing this is some of the packages in 'sid' may be broken and could mess up your system. That is the tradeoff for getting the latest-and-greatest stuff. If this is a bit overwhelming, don't worry about it too much right now. If you really want to try galeon, email me off list and I'll work through the dependencies and send you the packages you need. FYI there is also real-time help via IRC on irc.debian.org (the channel is #debian). apt-get install xchat-gnome for a fairly easy to use IRC client. | Also I need some suggestions on a word processor and user-friendly database I think LaTeX works out as the best word processor tool. (It is really a typesetting system, but it makes really nice looking documents). There is a GUI frontend called LyX, but you still need to understand the LaTeX philosphy of formatting to get the results you want (you just don't need to know how to write the LaTeX yourself). Abiword, KWord, and StarOffice are some of the GUI WYSIWYG tools that behave similar to MS Word. For databases there are PostgreSQL and MySQL, but I don't know if that is what you are looking for. | program. I have one week before I start classes and I'd really prefer to | get this box running under Debian. I'm going into the belly of the beast | called Law School in the hopes of pursuing my idealistic interests in | intellectual property. I'm mostly technically savvy,but not completely | (read: I'm a mechanical engineering by schooling and previous job). Does this mean you'll give us advice regarding licensing issues wink? -D
Re: newbie questions re: memory usage, leaks and troubleshooting
On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 08:53:32PM -0700, Kurt Lieber wrote: I'm running potato with Apache and MySQL and have noticed some memory problems that I'm not sure how to troubleshoot. Basically, available memory keeps getting used up and not reclaimed. Swap space doesn't seem to get used much, if at all. Currently, free says: total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 257952 103052 154900 32696 58040 25440 -/+ buffers/cache: 19572238380 Swap: 658624 0 658624 You have lots of free memory. It isn't even used for caching yet. PS: next time, format these tables a bit nicer when you post them, or use a mail client that displays non-proportional fonts. It is a sort of standard on internet mailing lists and newsgroups to assume fixed fonts. But if I use top and manually add up all the values of the RSS field, I get something around 50MB. (BTW, does anyone know a better way to do this?) In fact, the values of the RSS field don't seem to match with top's summary information at the top. There's no single process that seems to be using a large amount of memory, either. ps -A v shows no single process eating over 1% of memory. If I leave the box running for a couple days, memory usage keeps increasing until it gets near the ceiling of total RAM. things like Samba and apache start to get sluggish and I end up rebooting. Are you sure it isn't being used as buffer or cache? The kernel will shrink buffers and cache automatically when it needs the memory for processes. You can use vmstat to see more closely what is going on when the system feel sluggish. I'm not sure how to start troubleshooting this, so I'm looking for some recommendations. I'm running a vanilla version of Potato with the only non-stable or non-debian packages being mod_mp3 for Apache and ssh2 from testing. This is not a heavily-used box by any means -- it's on my home LAN. You are not making very clear where there is a problem in the first place. Cheers, Joost
Re: newbie questions re: memory usage, leaks and troubleshooting
On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 08:53:32PM -0700, Kurt Lieber wrote: I'm running potato with Apache and MySQL and have noticed some memory problems that I'm not sure how to troubleshoot. Basically, available memory keeps getting used up and not reclaimed. Swap space doesn't seem to get used much, if at all. Currently, free says: total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 257952 103052 154900 32696 58040 25440 -/+ buffers/cache: 19572238380 Swap: 658624 0 658624 But if I use top and manually add up all the values of the RSS field, I get something around 50MB. What you're seeing is normal behaviour. Run free again (I would say to just look at the output above, but it's not very comprehensible with the columns out of whack like that...) and pay attention to _all_ the column headings. Let's see if I can reconstruct your posted memory stats: totalused freeshared buffers cached Mem: 257952 103052 154900 32696 58040 25440 -/+ buffers/cache: 19572 238380 Swap: 658624 0 658624 There! See the buffers, and cached columns? Ignore them for now. If you're looking for real memory usage, the last two lines are what matters. You've only got 19572k + 32696k (which is roughly 50M - sound familiar?) of _real_ memory usage. The reaon you have 103052k total memory usage is because your kernel sees all that extra RAM just sitting there unused and starts using it for additional data buffers (58040k) and for caching files (25440k) in order to improve performance. Keeping this in memory doesn't hurt anything, since the memory used for extra buffers and cache can just be declared to be available if a better use for the RAM comes along. The reason your memory usage stops at the limit of physical RAM and never goes into swap is that swapping out cached disk files would lose the benefit of caching it in the first place, so those pages are just freed instead.
Re: Newbie questions !
On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 04:10:57PM +1000, Steve Kieu wrote: If I dont want to run for example crond at boot time how can I disable it? it is not the way to delete the symlink in /etc/rc.2/ or chmod -x /etc/init.d/crond I think. update-rc.d crond remove or to have it enabled only in runlevel 4, update-rc.d crond start 50 4 . stop 50 2 3 5 . (presuming a priority/sequence of 50 is kopacetic with you.) man update-rc.d for more info. -- DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #2 from Will Trillich [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Confused about using apt-get to keep your Debian UP-TO-DATE? See http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
Re: Newbie questions !
You could delete the symlink... or better yet...rename it . ex.../etc/rc2.d/S89cron rename to /etc/rc2.d/goofy.S89cron just in case you ever want it back Mike - Original Message - From: Steve Kieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: Newbie questions ! Hi, If I dont want to run for example crond at boot time how can I disable it? it is not the way to delete the symlink in /etc/rc.2/ or chmod -x /etc/init.d/crond I think. Thanks... = S.KIEU _ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie questions
Mark == Mark L Kahnt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Yeah, but I don't want an ftp user possibly finding a Mark security hole and playing around with my mouse. Don't run 'wu-ftpd'. :-) Seriously, if there is a security hole in your FTP server, chances are that they allow remote root access. As has the case been with wu-ftpd on numerous occasions. No chmod will protect you from that. Your mouse being moved will then be the least of your worries - though you may never know that your system has been cracked. (RedHat 6.1 and 6.2 users, for instance, are prime targets due to the horribly insecure system they are running, in conjunction with the average IQ of said users). -tor
Re: Newbie questions, Partisioning
Quoting Lowell Voelker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I was just given a new PC with 40GB hard drive and Win98 preloaded Fat32 from what fdisk is telling me. Will it be posible to leave the first 20-30GB as Fat32 and from 30-40Gb for Debian? Yes, just so long as you can boot the kernel from somewhere. If the BIOS can't read it from a partition with such a high cylinder position, then there are other tricks like loadlin, or having a copy of the kernel early enough in your FAT32 partition. BTW remember to consider a swap partition. I have no way of knowing if the rescue dice will reload Win98 if I start over and set up Fat16 for the first 2GB? There is a rumor around that any Primary Partision after a Fat32 can not be Fat16. Is this true? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but taken together, are you suggesting in order: W98/FAT32 20GB+ - FAT16 2GB - linux/ext2 rest with FAT16 shared? (I can't quite see the point. Linux can mount W98.) I've not heard of such a rumoured restriction. What's it meant to affect? Or are you going to move W98 thusly: FAT16 2GB - W98/FAT32 20GB+ - linux/ext2 rest which may suffer from W98 suddenly moving to D: because the first partition is now C:. Could you be more specific and precise about what you want to do. Cheers, -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 Snail: David Wright, Earth Science Dept., Milton Keynes, England, MK7 6AA Disclaimer: These addresses are only for reaching me, and do not signify official stationery. Views expressed here are either my own or plagiarised.
Re: Newbie questions, Partisioning
On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 04:21:05AM +0100, Lowell Voelker wrote: There is a rumor around that any Primary Partision after a Fat32 can not be Fat16. Is this true? Not sure about that, but i've seen WinDOS 98 have troubles with two FAT32 primary partitions -- it read C: (hdb1) ok, but D: was a 0 byte drive and E: was hdb2. Changing that second primary to a logical partition (hdb5) gave C:=hdb1 and D:=hdb5 as expected. -- finger for GPG public key. pgp7ILLRD8mVD.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Newbie questions, Partisioning
There is no prob with having fat16 after fat32 partitions but using fdisk (windows-dos version) you can only have 2 partitions - logical drives aren't included - i.e. 2 primary or 1 primary and one extended, Linux fdisk I think can have up to 4 primary partitions, you prob could be related to the bios. one thing I have noticed is Linux has problems with partitions after a certain block, not sure which, perhaps someone could enlighten us? also had a diff prob of disk druid - red hat - completely deleting the extended partition upon reboot, including partition I had just installed Linux on, screamed a bit when i realised that!!! -Original Message- From: Brad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 April 2000 19:46 To: Lowell Voelker Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Newbie questions, Partisioning On Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 04:21:05AM +0100, Lowell Voelker wrote: There is a rumor around that any Primary Partision after a Fat32 can not be Fat16. Is this true? Not sure about that, but i've seen WinDOS 98 have troubles with two FAT32 primary partitions -- it read C: (hdb1) ok, but D: was a 0 byte drive and E: was hdb2. Changing that second primary to a logical partition (hdb5) gave C:=hdb1 and D:=hdb5 as expected. -- finger for GPG public key.
Re: Newbie Questions
On Thu, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:20:31PM -0500, Irish, Jon D wrote: Paragraphs are good, Jon. I have never used any version of Unix in the past, let alone Linux. I have been playing with Slink on a PC at work, and I would now like to install it at home. Hooray! The problem is that my machine at work has a bootable ATAPI CD-ROM drive, so I could install right off of the CD. My machine at home has a LVD Ultra SCSI hard drive connected to an Initio SPEEDWAY U2W INI-A100U2W PCI-Ultra2 SCSI Bus Master Host Adapter, and my CD-ROM drive is a SONY DVD (5th generation) drive with an IDE interface. Are you sure your home box doesn't support a bootable CDROM? Have you checked the BIOS settings for boot order? I know I am going to have to load from floppies, but how do I do this. Also, the Initio site only has drivers listed for Red Hat, Caldera, BSD, and a category called patches clean up drivers. Will one of these drivers work with Debian? There is an excellent installation guide, including the floppy installation method, at the Debian website: http://www.debian.org/ : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install Lastly, I need a good book that goes into detail on how to do everything (ie installing a nic, a modem, compile Kernels, setup email, etc.) I had heard that there was going to be a Debian GNU/Linux for Dummies book published, but IDG claims they don't know anything about it. I would recommend instead O'Reilly's _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_, which you can preview (or read) online at http://www.ora.com/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/ My starter pack recommendation for Debian GNU/Linux is the above, plus _Linux in a Nutshell_ and _Running Linux_, all from O'Reilly. After that, pick up what you want according to your further interests -- programming, networking, other tools, etc. O'Reilly's books are almost always worth the dead tree karma. I can't say this for others. Sincerely, Jon D. Irish Jon D. Irish Technical Lead - Patriot Project Office -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http:/www.netcom.com/~kmself What part of Gestalt don't you understand? http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpLNZTwitR8f.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie questions - kill and lpd
Hi All. Two newbie questions. First - I've just had netscape crash and kill -9 pid failed to work. I got a netscape zombie according to top. Any suggestions about what to do now? This indicates, that the parent process of netscape is hanging or something. Don't care much about it: zombies take nearly no memory. Second - I get messages about lp1 being out of paper - I have no printer attached at the moment. I've killed the lpd daemon, and its stopped the messages, but what is the correct way to deal with this? Thanks in advance for help. remove the lpd symlinks in /etc/rc.d/.../ -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- Linux - the last service pack you'll ever need.
RE: Newbie Questions
First of all, upgrading from slink to potato is quite a lot of changes. The system is going to update about every package on your machine. I beleive E 16 requires a lot of things in potato, so no getting around upgrading. What error is apt giving you? For sound, I would check the How-tos or the archive. It can get involved... Bb -Original Message- From: Brian Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 7:16 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Newbie Questions Hi all, I am new to Debian and Linux in general. I managed to get an install working, then got X going. I am currently using the slink versions of gnome and enlightenment. Last night I got brave and figured out apt-get and ran out and downloaded the latest gnome. Question 1) The new gnome looks good but the help icon doesn't work. When I look at it's properties I see gnome-help-browser however this doesn't seem to be installed anywhere on my machine. Where do I get this? Question 2) I decided to try and apt-get the latest enlightenment. I added unstable to my sources.list file and did apt-get update apt-get install enlightenment It went out and downloaded a ton of stuff, some of it looks suspiciously unnecessary (like g++, gcc, gnat) as well as an enlightenment *.deb file. But several errors occurred during the install and it suggested I do a apt-get update to fix. This didn't seem to work either. Any tips for getting the latest enlightenment? Question 3) How do I get sound working? I found a generic Linux FAQ in /usr/doc that talked about recompiling the kernel. This sounds scary but I could try it. But first, is there a specific Debian method that I don't know about that I could try first? Thanks very much!!! Brian -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Newbie Questions
Chris Mayes wrote: [... other questions I have skipped ...] Oh, that reminds me: where do I set the default windowmanager? /etc/X11/window-managers The one at the top of the list is the default. Or edit your own .xinitrc and .xsession to change it for your self only. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.I Corinthians 10:13
Re: Newbie Questions
Or edit your own .xinitrc and .xsession to change it for your self only. Have you been able to work out the difference between .xinitrc and .xsession? From what I've been able to gather, .xinitrc is not used by Debian --- is this right? Cheers, Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: Newbie Questions
Mark Phillips wrote: Or edit your own .xinitrc and .xsession to change it for your self only. Have you been able to work out the difference between .xinitrc and .xsession? From what I've been able to gather, .xinitrc is not used by Debian --- is this right? Cheers, Mark. .xinitrc is used if you start X with 'startx' and .xession if you run xdm. frankie _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them! -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Confession is good for the soul only in the sense that a tweed coat is good for dandruff. --Peter de Vries http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk - Drum'n'Bass music, samples and links. ICQ://25576761begin:vcard n:;Frankie x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.skunkpussy.freeserve.co.uk adr:;;;Birmingham;;;UK version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Mr x-mozilla-cpt:;-8160 fn:Frankie end:vcard
Re: Newbie Questions
Or edit your own .xinitrc and .xsession to change it for your self only. Have you been able to work out the difference between .xinitrc and .xsession? From what I've been able to gather, .xinitrc is not used by Debian --- is this right? Cheers, Mark. .xinitrc is used if you start X with 'startx' and .xession if you run xdm. This can't be right, as I use startx and .xsession. Cheers, Mark. _/\___/~~\ /~~\_/~~\__/~~\__Mark_Phillips /~~\_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /~~\HE___/~~\__/~~\APTAIN_ /~~\__/~~\ __ They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them!
Re: Newbie Questions
On Sat, Apr 03, 1999 at 07:55:06PM +0930, Mark Phillips wrote: .xinitrc is used if you start X with 'startx' and .xession if you run xdm. This can't be right, as I use startx and .xsession. it is right if you're talking about X on other *NIX systems, but not with debian. debian (from slink onwards i think) has an alternative (more elegant IMO) arrangement. see Xsession(5). the short answer: .xsession is used by both startx and xdm in debian. correct me if i'm wrong, but that's what i understood from the manpage. -vinny -- Vincent Murphy | CompSci Undergrad, UCC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (086) 8397405 With a PC, I always felt limited by the software available. On Unix, I am limited only by my knowledge. --P J Schoenster
Re: Newbie Questions
--- Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- .xinitrc is used if you start X with 'startx' and .xession if you run xdm. This can't be right, as I use startx and .xsession. Right, I use startx and I don't even have an .xinitrc. I did do a custom .xsession though. Regards, G.S. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Newbie questions
More questions from the guy who thought he had everything figured out. 1. X will not boot. It almost does, but it just exits with the error mouse: fd: Invalid argument or something like that. Fine, I'll go and reconfigure. But how? How can I run the X configure program again? (You know, the one that tells you to select your video card etc.) Hi Adrian! try xbase-configure
Re: Newbie questions
On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Adrian Gudas wrote: More questions from the guy who thought he had everything figured out. 1. X will not boot. It almost does, but it just exits with the error mouse: fd: Invalid argument or something like that. Fine, I'll go and reconfigure. But how? How can I run the X configure program again? (You know, the one that tells you to select your video card etc.) Personally I use XF86Setup, run it as root. another option is xf86config. All these config things have to be done as root. 2. How can I configure LILO to give me the option to boot using my DOS partition (/dev/hda1)? It would be nice for it to give me a menu... To the best of my knowledge LILO does not do menus, if you put an entry like other=/dev/hda1 label=dos table=/dev/hda in /etc/lilo.conf then run lilo at the prompt it will allow you to boot dos from the LILO: prompt by typing dos (to get a list of options press the tab key). Nikolai
Re: Newbie questions
you can use xbase-configure, xf86config, or XF86Setup to reconfig your X. As far as lilo goes you need to add a lilo paragraph for your msdos partition...mine looks something like this. other = /dev/hda1 label = win98 table = /dev/hda then rerun lilo to install the new label. When this is done you can hold the shift key on boot to get lilo to stop and wait for you to do something then type in the label name of the ms-dos partition. Or you can hit tab or something to get a list. Hope this helps On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Adrian Gudas wrote: More questions from the guy who thought he had everything figured out. 1. X will not boot. It almost does, but it just exits with the error mouse: fd: Invalid argument or something like that. Fine, I'll go and reconfigure. But how? How can I run the X configure program again? (You know, the one that tells you to select your video card etc.) 2. How can I configure LILO to give me the option to boot using my DOS partition (/dev/hda1)? It would be nice for it to give me a menu... Thanks a lot! Adrian -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Newbie questions
At 01:01 AM 10/8/1998 +1000, Nikolai Andreyevich Luzan wrote: 2. How can I configure LILO to give me the option to boot using my DOS partition (/dev/hda1)? It would be nice for it to give me a menu... To the best of my knowledge LILO does not do menus, if you put an Yes, you can kludge together a menu. In the lilo.conf add a line like: message = /boot/message.menu Then edit the /boot/message.menu file to look something like: Please enter 1 or 2, then press ENTER. 1) Boot into DOS 2) Boot into Linux The label sections of each stanza in lilo.conf would then need to be changed to something like: other=/dev/hda1 label=1 table=/dev/hda instead of having label=dos. To force the menu to display without forcing the user to hold the shift key down during boot-up, there's a command to add to lilo.conf. I don't remember off the top of my head what it is, but it's something like wait or prompt. If you can't find the correct command, holler back and I'll do some research on it (I've got a book that tells me, but it's at home and I'm not). Kent Kent West, Technology Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abilene Christian Univ., Abilene, TX 915-674-2557 FAX: 915.674.6724 Amateur Radio: KC5ENO Debian Linux: Ride the wave with the penguins!
Re: Newbie questions
At 04:59 PM 10/7/1998 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: More questions from the guy who thought he had everything figured out. 1. X will not boot. It almost does, but it just exits with the error mouse: fd: Invalid argument or something like that. Fine, I'll go and reconfigure. But how? How can I run the X configure program again? (You know, the one that tells you to select your video card etc.) Instead of re-running xf86config or XF86Setup, you might just use an editor (vi, ae, emacs, etc) to look at the /etc/X11/XF86Config file in the Mouse section. You might immediately see what's causing the problem (trash on the line, a bad parameter, etc). If not, then you can rerun the setup. Kent Kent West, Technology Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abilene Christian Univ., Abilene, TX 915-674-2557 FAX: 915.674.6724 Amateur Radio: KC5ENO Debian Linux: Ride the wave with the penguins!
Re: Newbie Questions...
On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 01:35:15PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. What do I need to do POP messages off the ISP mail server? I use Mutt to read from both my local mail spool file and to get non-local mail from my ISP using POP. Alternatively, you can set up Fetchmail to move mail from your ISP to your local mail spool. 2. Once I start X, and switch to another console using ctrl + alt +.., how do I get back the X windows. Switching back doesn't work.. I usually start X as root or as Xdm. However, if I want to run say netscape in another virtual terminal, I get the message 'Cannot open display' Try using Ctrl-Alt-F7. Mike -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Newbie Questions... One more
On Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 01:39:58PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one more question. If I reply to the mail from my system, the mail get returned. I know this is what they discussed in the thread..but what is MUA ,how to set it... How do I set Reply-TO filed and where... Well, unless I'm totally confused also, MUA is Mail User Agent (refers to the mail reader: Mutt, Pine, MH??) while MTA is Mail Transport Agent (which is smail, sendmail, exim, etc). The headers can be set up or modified from either the MUA or the MTA, but the how-to depends on the actual programs you use. Mike -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Newbie Questions...
One warning, Running Linux is a *little* RedHat-centric. Shouldn't cause too much trouble tho... There is a new version in the LDP, about 2 months old. It attempts to cover all the popular Linux distributions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions...
G'day Rick, If you could choose one book to help you learn Linux, what would it be? I'm looking for something that covers installation, use, and administration. Oh yeah, and also how to format a floppy disk : ) I haven't read a lot of Linux books, but I found Running Linux (2nd ed.) by Welsh Kaufman (Published by O'riely) to be a really good introduction. I knew nothing before I picked up the book, and although I'm far from a Guru now, i am surviving quite nicely :) It's highly recomended, but nothing substitutes for reading lots of HOWTOs and FAQs, and of course, this list grin One warning, Running Linux is a *little* RedHat-centric. Shouldn't cause too much trouble tho... damon Damon Muller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Web Page: www.sub.net.au/~tr It's not a sense of humor. It's ICQ UIN:2920281 a sense of irony disguised as one. PGP Key ID: 0x232C09E1 - Bruce Sterling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions...
If you could choose one book to help you learn Linux, what would it be? I'm looking for something that covers installation, use, and administration. Oh yeah, and also how to format a floppy disk : ) The LDP (Linux Documantation Project) is a very good source. It has a link from Debian home page (although I think that accessing it from sunsite might be a better idea). The books there (Linux instalation and getting statrted, user-beta, sag) can help a lot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Questions...
On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 01:46:07PM +0100, Rick McKenzie wrote: If you could choose one book to help you learn Linux, what would it be? I'm looking for something that covers installation, use, and administration. Oh yeah, and also how to format a floppy disk : ) I used and can reccommend Running Linux 2nd Edition. If helped to read afterward the kernel-HOWTO and learn how to repackage a .deb file with dpkg-buildpackage. I also learned by example what files go IN a Debian package tree, mostlin the debian directory, etc. This made me able to make a debian package, albeit slowly. I imagine there are faster ways but I don't yet know them = You may never need this step, but I have discovered that anything not packaged you wish to install should be packaged locally to save headaches and make deinstallation easier. pgp1ZFZ4ITB65.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie Questions
Trivial questions at this early stage, but I'd greatly appreciate any help. I should also say that this is probably the most helpful mailing list I've ever read (which could be down to Debian's reluctance to provide 'absolute beginner' help). Dont i know it!, some hopless newbie tutorials would be really usefull, instead on having to go and buy a book, which in the end my be no help at all. Rick Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] homepage - http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/kitty5/ (Raytracing, 3D Animation and Emulation) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Newbie Questions
Hi, Harry Palmer wrote: I'm new to Linux/Unix - still trying to decide which distribution to go for in fact. I've downloaded and installed the Debian base system (boot, drivers and five base disks) to a laptop with no problems. I'd think that installing the MAN pages would be a logical next step in my learning curve, but how? Do they need to be installed as a package? Correct me if I'm wrong but they _seem_ to be already there as part of the base system, gzipped in /usr/man/man1 thru /usr/man/man8. If this is so, how do I use them? I could easily gunzip the files in these directories, but I can't find an actual 'man' executable file. Man pages directly associated with a program are distributed with the program. So you have the man pages for the programs in the base system. What you do not have yet are the other man pages and the man programs. You need to install the manpages package. This should result (if you use dselect) in finding the other packages needed via the package dependencies. You should also get either the info package or emacs. GNU, the source of much of the linux software, prefers their info format to the man page format. I'd also appreciate a brief explanation of the Debian releases. The ftp site I used, sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk, has directories 'stable', '1.3.1', '1.3.1.r6', and 'bo', which with my scant understanding of Unix all appear to be pointing to the same place. Furthermore the 'disks-i386' directory contains both 'current' and '1997-10-13'. What's this mess all about, and what does 'bo' mean anyway? A brief explanatory readme in these directories would be reasonable wouldn't it, given that ftp is often ones first encounter with a Linux release? Once upon a time a CD vendor sold the highest version number of debian before it was ready for use. Since then code names have been used for the version in progress and a version number (via the link you saw) only assigned after release for general use. Trivial questions at this early stage, but I'd greatly appreciate any help. I should also say that this is probably the most helpful mailing list I've ever read (which could be down to Debian's reluctance to provide 'absolute beginner' help). Many thanks in advance, Harry Hope this helps -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: newbie questions...Help!
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Rick wrote: Hi, I have just installed Debian on a partition of my HD (and a swap partition) everything seems to be going well, i log on and get a $, what next? I have a Mistsumi CD rom drive, but cannot get the drivers select page to recognise it, how do i find the interupts, irq thingys out? what packages should i get to start me off, how (after downloading them with win95) do i get the files on a debian readable floppy, and after that how do i install, use them? how can i look at the contents of my hd? something like dir in dos would be nice? whats this x windows thing, and how do i get, install, use it? how do i change my username and password? how do i log on as super-user? and more and more and more sorry about the newbie'ness of these questions but i have no idea what i am doing... Thanks Rick Most of your questions are not Debian specific (straight *nix stuff). I recommend that you get a book on general Unix systems (something like Unix for Dummies, which is actually well written dispite the derogatory title). You would also benefit from reading Matt Welsh's book Running Linux. For the Debian installation questions I can recommend my own book The Debian User's Guide which is available in html from http://www.linuxpress.com For instance, getting your CD-ROM mounted will depend more on the controler than the drive. (although the Mitsumi drive typically uses a proprietary controler, I believe that the drivers disk includes it) Hope this helps. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian User's Guide_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: newbie questions...Help!
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Rick wrote: I have a Mistsumi CD rom drive, but cannot get the drivers select page to recognise it, how do i find the interupts, irq thingys out? Take a look at the settings for the drive under Win95. what packages should i get to start me off, how (after downloading them with win95) do i get the files on a debian readable floppy, and after that how do i install, use them? how can i look at the contents of my hd? something like dir in dos would be nice? try ls -- roughly the equivalent of dir in dos. whats this x windows thing, and how do i get, install, use it? Nifty stuff. You get it from wherever you get debian -- it comes prepackaged. Just select the right package based on your video card. how do i change my username and password? adduser and passwd how do i log on as super-user? su I'd recommend you hit http://www.linux.org and take a look at the howto's and beginner's guides there. Specifically check out http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/DOS-to-Linux-HOWTO.html for information on making the migration from dos to linux. Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | -- |The problem with computers: | || | rivendell[501] [~] love me | | bash: love: command not found | | rivendell[502] [~] hug me| | bash: hug: command not found | -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: newbie questions...Help!
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Rick wrote: Hi, I have just installed Debian on a partition of my HD (and a swap partition) everything seems to be going well, i log on and get a $, what next? I have a Mistsumi CD rom drive, but cannot get the drivers select page to recognise it, how do i find the interupts, irq thingys out? what packages should i get to start me off, how (after downloading them with win95) do i get the files on a debian readable floppy, and after that how do i install, use them? I don't understand, if you installed already , didn't you select a bunch of packges ? whats this x windows thing, and how do i get, install, use it? Via dselect. It can sometimes be problematic , sometimes smooth. see many docs at www.debian.org . Be patient looking. Also do cd /usr/doc Then pick a directory (HOWTO is a good one) cd to it and use less filename to read a file. See the linux documentation project on the debian web page. I think the users guide starts with 'ls' , etc. G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: newbie questions
On Sat, 11 Jan 1997 09:39:03 PST Gary Gifford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Also, following Zenon Fortuna's detailed posting regarding the Info Magic LDR (thank you Zenon!!) I can get to the point of trying to create a new kernel but the make config says command not found. I suspect this has to do with run levels or permisions but I am quite lost. Install the make package :-) And finally, every once in a while I hit an attempted command experimentally and the root prompt changes from # to and I can't use any commands. When I try to go back to the rot directory I get a not connected message. My only way out has been to shutdown. Any suggestions. Your command in unterminated (missing ' or `). Do CTRL-C to get a fresh prompt. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie questions
I am sure this is dead simple and explained in several places but I'm getting nowhere fast. I am using a Micron pentium 100 and have Win95 operating on a partitioned 2 gig HD. I choose win95 or debian through OS2 boot manager and debian boots from its partition with LILO. I also have a debian swap file partition. I have downloaded and (apparently) successfully installed 1.2.1(actually 1.2 first and then 1.2.1) and thrashed around in the Infomagic December cd-rom set with dselect. I understand the commands OK but the sheer volume of packages is overwhelming. Anyhow, I can't get the directory to display at the / level other than 3 bash files (or subdirectories). I have logged in as root and su. I can cd to subdirectories and ls -a or ls -f and see the trees from there but not at root. Also, following Zenon Fortuna's detailed posting regarding the Info Magic LDR (thank you Zenon!!) I can get to the point of trying to create a new kernel but the make config says command not found. I suspect this has to do with run levels or permisions but I am quite lost. And finally, every once in a while I hit an attempted command experimentally and the root prompt changes from # to and I can't use any commands. When I try to go back to the rot directory I get a not connected message. My only way out has been to shutdown. Any suggestions. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
