Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-13 Thread John W Foster
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 18:00 -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> On 08/10/2010 10:48 AM, John W Foster wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 15:49 -0500, Arthur Machlas wrote:
> >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrei Popescu  
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote:
>  Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
>  with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
>  testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
>  system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
>  appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root?
> >>>
> >>
> >> /etc/inittab looks good, what about the contents of 
> >> /etc/default/console-setup?
> > ---
> > There is no file by that name.
> 
> Do
> dpkg -l console-setup
> if you don't have it installed, install it.
> 
> HTH
> Wayne
-
Hi Wayne! Long time... As usual your advice was spot on. Aparantly in
the AMD64 distro the Debian installer does not set up the consoles as a
"requirement" I will try this solution on Ubuntu also. Again Thanks.
John Foster


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-11 Thread Wayne Topa

On 08/10/2010 10:48 AM, John W Foster wrote:

On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 15:49 -0500, Arthur Machlas wrote:

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrei Popescu  wrote:

On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote:

Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
appreciated.


What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root?



/etc/inittab looks good, what about the contents of /etc/default/console-setup?

---
There is no file by that name.


Do
dpkg -l console-setup
if you don't have it installed, install it.

HTH
Wayne


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-10 Thread John W Foster
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 14:14 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:48 AM, John W Foster  
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 15:49 -0500, Arthur Machlas wrote:
> >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrei Popescu  
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote:
> >> >> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> >> >> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc.
> >> >
> >> > What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root?
> >>
> >> /etc/inittab looks good, what about the contents of 
> >> /etc/default/console-setup?
> >
> > There is no file by that name.
> 
> Then check
> /etc/console-tools/config
> or
> /etc/kbd/config
> although I thought that Squeeze defaulted to console-setup.
> 
> IIRC, you had posted earlier that Ubuntu 9.10 on the same box didn't
> have any consoles either and my only puzzling/disturbing thought is
> that udev isn't creating tty's for either Debian or Ubuntu
> 
> 
-
FYI: There is a directory eyc/console  however it is empty. I'm
wondering if there is supposed to be something there?

Contents of etc/kbd/config posted below.

#
# This files tells the 'kbd' package:
#
# - whether to load a specific font and boot (and maybe a screen-font
map,
#   but you should avoid that if possible).
# - whether to setup an Application-Charset Map other than the default
CP437.
# - whether to do screen saver/DPMS settings
# - whether to change the keyboard rate/delay or the state of the
#   keyboard indicators 
# - whether to show a clock
#
# You can also specify per-VC settings by suffixing variable names as in
# the examples below. This only works on framebuffer devices.
#
# For consistency with the configuration file of console-tools the
# following variables and their _vcN versions are also supported:
# SCREEN_FONT, SCREEN_FONT_MAP and APP_CHARSET_MAP.
#
#
# Example:
#
#CONSOLE_FONT=iso01.f16
#CONSOLE_FONT_vc2=LatArCyrHeb-16
#
#CONSOLE_MAP=iso05
#CONSOLE_MAP_vc2=user
#
# Set the following - more euro-friendly default than kernel font.
#CONSOLE_FONT=latarcyrheb-sun16.psf

# Forget this one unless you _know_ it is necessary for your font:
#FONT_MAP=iso01

#   screen saver/DPMS settings: all VCs 
# These settings are commented by default to avoid the chance of damage
to
# very old monitors that don't support DPMS signalling.

# screen blanking timeout.  monitor remains on, but the screen is
cleared to
# range: 0-60 min (0==never)  kernels I've looked at default to 10
minutes.
# (see linux/drivers/char/console.c)
BLANK_TIME=30

# blanking method (VESA DPMS mode to use after BLANK_TIME, before
powerdown):
# on: the default, no DPMS signalling. near instant powerup, no power
saving
# vsync: DPMS Standby mode. nearly instant recovery, uses 110/120W (17"
screen)
# hsync: DPMS Suspend mode. typically 3s recovery, uses 15/120W (17"
screen)
# powerdown,off: DPMS Off mode, typ. 10s recovery, uses  5/120W (17"
screen)

# Those values are for my 17" Mag, but some monitors do suspend the same
as
# standby.  xset dpms force {off|standby|suspend|on} is useful for this,
if X
# supports DPMS on your video card.  Set X's DPMS screensaver with xset
dpms
# or use option power_saver in XF86Config
#
# DPMS set by default to on, because hsync can cause problems on certain
# hardware, such as Armada E500 laptops
BLANK_DPMS=off

# Powerdown time.  The console will go to DPMS Off mode POWERDOWN_TIME
# minutes _after_ blanking.  (POWERDOWN_TIME + BLANK_TIME after the last
input)
POWERDOWN_TIME=30

# rate and delay can get only specific values, consult kbdrate(1) for
help
#KEYBOARD_RATE="30"
#KEYBOARD_DELAY="250"

# Turn on numlock by default
#LEDS=+num

# Display a clock in the right upper corner of the console by running
vcstime
#DO_VCSTIME=yes


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:48 AM, John W Foster  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 15:49 -0500, Arthur Machlas wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrei Popescu  
>> wrote:
>> > On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote:
>> >> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
>> >> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc.
>> >
>> > What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root?
>>
>> /etc/inittab looks good, what about the contents of 
>> /etc/default/console-setup?
>
> There is no file by that name.

Then check
/etc/console-tools/config
or
/etc/kbd/config
although I thought that Squeeze defaulted to console-setup.

IIRC, you had posted earlier that Ubuntu 9.10 on the same box didn't
have any consoles either and my only puzzling/disturbing thought is
that udev isn't creating tty's for either Debian or Ubuntu


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-10 Thread John W Foster
On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 23:36 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote:
> > Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> > with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> > testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> > system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> > appreciated.
> 
> What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root?
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei

terminal screen in x says process running but there is no output. What
is this supposed to produce?



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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-10 Thread John W Foster
On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 15:49 -0500, Arthur Machlas wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrei Popescu  
> wrote:
> > On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote:
> >> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> >> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> >> testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> >> system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> >> appreciated.
> >
> > What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root?
> >
> 
> /etc/inittab looks good, what about the contents of 
> /etc/default/console-setup?
---
There is no file by that name.



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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-09 Thread Arthur Machlas
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrei Popescu  wrote:
> On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote:
>> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
>> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
>> testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
>> system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
>> appreciated.
>
> What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root?
>

/etc/inittab looks good, what about the contents of /etc/default/console-setup?


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-09 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote:
> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> appreciated.

What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root?

Regards,
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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-09 Thread John W Foster
Good catch!!

This is the entire file. I pulled it up & opened with gedit.

# /etc/inittab: init(8) configuration.
# $Id: inittab,v 1.91 2002/01/25 13:35:21 miquels Exp $

# The default runlevel.
id:2:initdefault:

# Boot-time system configuration/initialization script.
# This is run first except when booting in emergency (-b) mode.
si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS

# What to do in single-user mode.
~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin

# /etc/init.d executes the S and K scripts upon change
# of runlevel.
#
# Runlevel 0 is halt.
# Runlevel 1 is single-user.
# Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
# Runlevel 6 is reboot.

l0:0:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 0
l1:1:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 1
l2:2:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 2
l3:3:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 3
l4:4:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 4
l5:5:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 5
l6:6:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 6
# Normally not reached, but fallthrough in case of emergency.
z6:6:respawn:/sbin/sulogin

# What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now

# Action on special keypress (ALT-UpArrow).
#kb::kbrequest:/bin/echo "Keyboard Request--edit /etc/inittab to let
this work."

# What to do when the power fails/returns.
pf::powerwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail start
pn::powerfailnow:/etc/init.d/powerfail now
po::powerokwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail stop

# /sbin/getty invocations for the runlevels.
#
# The "id" field MUST be the same as the last
# characters of the device (after "tty").
#
# Format:
#  :::
#
# Note that on most Debian systems tty7 is used by the X Window System,
# so if you want to add more getty's go ahead but skip tty7 if you run
X.
#
1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6

# Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal)
#
#T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100
#T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100

# Example how to put a getty on a modem line.
#
#T3:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x0 -s 57600 ttyS3



Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-09 Thread George-Cristian Bîrzan
On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 10:44 -0500, John W Foster wrote:
> inittab[B---] 26 L:[  1+21  22/ 70] *(553 /2008b) 0010 0x00A
> # /etc/inittab: init(8) configuration.
> # $Id: inittab,v 1.91 2002/01/25 13:35:21 miquels Exp $
> 
> # The default runlevel.
> id:2:initdefault:
> 
> # Boot-time system configuration/initialization script.
> # This is run first except when booting in emergency (-b) mode.
> si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS
> 
> # What to do in single-user mode.
> ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin
> 
> # /etc/init.d executes the S and K scripts upon change
> # of runlevel.
> #
> # Runlevel 0 is halt.
> # Runlevel 1 is single-user.
> # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
> # Runlevel 6 is reboot.
> 
> l0:0:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 0


Are you sure that's the whole file?

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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-08 Thread John W Foster
On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 10:28 -0500, John W Foster wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:29 -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> > John W Foster wrote:
> > > Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> > > with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> > > testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> > > system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> > > appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > What is the contents of /etc/inittab?
> > 
> > Hugo
> > 
> > 
> Hi Hugo! that file or directory does not exist on this system.
correction I found it



inittab[B---] 26 L:[  1+21  22/ 70] *(553 /2008b) 0010 0x00A
# /etc/inittab: init(8) configuration.
# $Id: inittab,v 1.91 2002/01/25 13:35:21 miquels Exp $

# The default runlevel.
id:2:initdefault:

# Boot-time system configuration/initialization script.
# This is run first except when booting in emergency (-b) mode.
si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS

# What to do in single-user mode.
~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin

# /etc/init.d executes the S and K scripts upon change
# of runlevel.
#
# Runlevel 0 is halt.
# Runlevel 1 is single-user.
# Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
# Runlevel 6 is reboot.

l0:0:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 0
 1Help   2Save   3Mark   4Replac 5Copy   6Move   7Search 8Delete
9PullDn10Quit



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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-08 Thread John W Foster
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 17:22 -0700, Alan Ianson wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 00:18 +0200, mar...@martin52.demon.nl wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On my lenny (debian stable) I use F? to switch to a
> > full-screen console and I use F? to switch the desktops.
> > On my squeeze (debian testing) it works the same way.
> 
> I'm running sid ATM, and I do it the same way. This always worked as
> expected when I was using the nvidia driver with my nvidia card. Since
> my nvidia card died I can't switch to a console or my monitor goes off.
> Right now I'm using the onboard radeon x1200 series video output on this
> box with "ati" or "radeon" specified in a minimal xorg.conf.
> 
> I'll be back to nvidia ASAP, but I do hope this can be sorted before
> squeeze is released.
> 
> I get bad results with ubuntu as well with the ati output on this box
> whereas the nvidia card always worked well.
> 
> > These distro's run on the same AMD64 p.c., on different partitions.
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > Martin.
> > 
> > Alan Ianson schreef:
> > > On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:29 -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> > >> John W Foster wrote:
> > >>> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> > >>> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> > >>> testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> > >>> system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> > >>> appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> What is the contents of /etc/inittab?
> > > 
> > > In my case the consoles work as expected at boot up and I can use them,
> > > but after some period of time after I have been using the desktop when I
> > > press  F? my monitor goes off and when I switch back to the
> > > desktop it comes on again.
> > > 
> > > I'm using "ati" in my xorg.conf with the built in video output on this
> > > box. If I don't use "ati" in the driver section of my xorg.conf the
> > > monitor goes off at almost anytime, desktop or console. 
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I have exactly the same issues with Ubuntu running on this box. I have
Debian AMD64 from testing , Ubuntu AMD64 Koala, & Windows 7 pro all
running on separate 1 Tb disks on this system. Windows runs as expected
in fact better than I expected but I,m a long time Debian user & prefer
it to windows except for viewing video streams.
No consoles in Ubuntu either.


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-08 Thread John W Foster
On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 00:18 +0200, mar...@martin52.demon.nl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On my lenny (debian stable) I use F? to switch to a
> full-screen console and I use F? to switch the desktops.
> On my squeeze (debian testing) it works the same way.
> These distro's run on the same AMD64 p.c., on different partitions.
> 
> Greetings,
> Martin.
> 
> Alan Ianson schreef:
> > On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:29 -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> >> John W Foster wrote:
> >>> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> >>> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> >>> testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> >>> system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> >>> appreciated.
> >>
> >> What is the contents of /etc/inittab?
> > 
> > In my case the consoles work as expected at boot up and I can use them,
> > but after some period of time after I have been using the desktop when I
> > press  F? my monitor goes off and when I switch back to the
> > desktop it comes on again.
> > 
> > I'm using "ati" in my xorg.conf with the built in video output on this
> > box. If I don't use "ati" in the driver section of my xorg.conf the
> > monitor goes off at almost anytime, desktop or console. 
> > 
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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-08 Thread John W Foster
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 03:44 +, T o n g wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:07:43 -0500, John W Foster wrote:
> 
> > Still have an issue
> > with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc.
> 
> How did you access consoles? F1 F2 directly?
> 
> 
> -- 
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>   http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/
>   http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/
> 
> 
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CTRL, ALT, F1 etc. same since the beginning of Linux as far as I know.


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-08 Thread John W Foster
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:29 -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> John W Foster wrote:
> > Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> > with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> > testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> > system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> > appreciated.
> 
> 
> What is the contents of /etc/inittab?
> 
> Hugo
> 
> 
Hi Hugo! that file or directory does not exist on this system.


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-07 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 00:18 +0200, mar...@martin52.demon.nl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On my lenny (debian stable) I use F? to switch to a
> full-screen console and I use F? to switch the desktops.
> On my squeeze (debian testing) it works the same way.

I'm running sid ATM, and I do it the same way. This always worked as
expected when I was using the nvidia driver with my nvidia card. Since
my nvidia card died I can't switch to a console or my monitor goes off.
Right now I'm using the onboard radeon x1200 series video output on this
box with "ati" or "radeon" specified in a minimal xorg.conf.

I'll be back to nvidia ASAP, but I do hope this can be sorted before
squeeze is released.

I get bad results with ubuntu as well with the ati output on this box
whereas the nvidia card always worked well.

> These distro's run on the same AMD64 p.c., on different partitions.
> 
> Greetings,
> Martin.
> 
> Alan Ianson schreef:
> > On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:29 -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> >> John W Foster wrote:
> >>> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> >>> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> >>> testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> >>> system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> >>> appreciated.
> >>
> >> What is the contents of /etc/inittab?
> > 
> > In my case the consoles work as expected at boot up and I can use them,
> > but after some period of time after I have been using the desktop when I
> > press  F? my monitor goes off and when I switch back to the
> > desktop it comes on again.
> > 
> > I'm using "ati" in my xorg.conf with the built in video output on this
> > box. If I don't use "ati" in the driver section of my xorg.conf the
> > monitor goes off at almost anytime, desktop or console. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 



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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-07 Thread mar...@martin52.demon.nl

Hi,

On my lenny (debian stable) I use F? to switch to a
full-screen console and I use F? to switch the desktops.
On my squeeze (debian testing) it works the same way.
These distro's run on the same AMD64 p.c., on different partitions.

Greetings,
Martin.

Alan Ianson schreef:

On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:29 -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:

John W Foster wrote:

Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
appreciated.


What is the contents of /etc/inittab?


In my case the consoles work as expected at boot up and I can use them,
but after some period of time after I have been using the desktop when I
press  F? my monitor goes off and when I switch back to the
desktop it comes on again.

I'm using "ati" in my xorg.conf with the built in video output on this
box. If I don't use "ati" in the driver section of my xorg.conf the
monitor goes off at almost anytime, desktop or console. 







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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-07 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:29 -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> John W Foster wrote:
> > Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
> > with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
> > testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
> > system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
> > appreciated.
> 
> 
> What is the contents of /etc/inittab?

In my case the consoles work as expected at boot up and I can use them,
but after some period of time after I have been using the desktop when I
press  F? my monitor goes off and when I switch back to the
desktop it comes on again.

I'm using "ati" in my xorg.conf with the built in video output on this
box. If I don't use "ati" in the driver section of my xorg.conf the
monitor goes off at almost anytime, desktop or console. 



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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-07 Thread hugo vanwoerkom

John W Foster wrote:

Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue
with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using
testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my
system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are
appreciated.



What is the contents of /etc/inittab?

Hugo


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Re: No Consoles???

2010-08-06 Thread T o n g
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:07:43 -0500, John W Foster wrote:

> Still have an issue
> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc.

How did you access consoles? F1 F2 directly?


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