Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[David Baron]

>>> On (28/06/06 21:48), David Baron wrote:
>> > Then installed the nvidia-glx.
>> >
>> > Did not work. The libglx.so, etc were not installed anywhere I (or the
>> > xorg.conf) could find them. I will check again when the locate db is
>> > updated. Reinstalled the nvidia run meanwhile.
>>
>> dpkg -L nvidia-glx
>>
>> should help.
>>
>> You need matching versions of nvidia-glx and kernel modules for X to
>> run. That's the 8192 or whatever.

>Found them. There is whole bunch of stuff in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ which I 
>guess was not really being accessed. Put it in the extensions subdirectory.

>I guess I will need to add /usr/lib/xorg/modules to xorg.conf MODULEPATHs. 
And 
>just think, xorg upgrades want to get rid of all MODULEPATHs

Got it to start up. Any attemp to do DRI crashed X so ...
I installed Nvidia's driver of the same version number of the package on Sid.
Works just fine.

Maybe I'll leave the packages around, however to
1. Prevent overwrite of the nvidia X modules (probably not a problem the way 
the various ModulePaths are now).
2. Alert me when a new version is around. Then I go to Nvidia to get it. :-)


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[David Baron]

On Wednesday 28 June 2006 22:34, James Westby wrote:
> On (28/06/06 21:48), David Baron wrote:
> > Then installed the nvidia-glx.
> >
> > Did not work. The libglx.so, etc were not installed anywhere I (or the
> > xorg.conf) could find them. I will check again when the locate db is
> > updated. Reinstalled the nvidia run meanwhile.
>
> dpkg -L nvidia-glx
>
> should help.
>
> You need matching versions of nvidia-glx and kernel modules for X to
> run. That's the 8192 or whatever.

Found them. There is whole bunch of stuff in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ which I 
guess was not really being accessed. Put it in the extensions subdirectory.

I guess I will need to add /usr/lib/xorg/modules to xorg.conf MODULEPATHs. And 
just think, xorg upgrades want to get rid of all MODULEPATHs


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[Katipo]

Linas Žvirblis wrote:


Wulfy wrote:

 

Are there debs for the *legacy* driver? 
   



Only for 7174.

 


I need the 7167 driver for my TNT2 card.  I've been using the
.run file from nVidia and am having problems with the latest updated
2.6.8(-3-686) (sarge) kernel.  It won't seem to compile for it and wants
to remove the driver so from the 2.6.8-2-686 modules.
   



Two days ago NVIDIA released an updated 7182 legacy driver, but it is
not in Debian yet.


 


That's the one for all the TNT2 cards, Riva or other derivatives.
Revised, with substantial improvements.
Regards,


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[Linas Žvirblis]

Wulfy wrote:

> Are there debs for the *legacy* driver? 

Only for 7174.

> I need the 7167 driver for my TNT2 card.  I've been using the
> .run file from nVidia and am having problems with the latest updated
> 2.6.8(-3-686) (sarge) kernel.  It won't seem to compile for it and wants
> to remove the driver so from the 2.6.8-2-686 modules.

Two days ago NVIDIA released an updated 7182 legacy driver, but it is
not in Debian yet.


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[Linas Žvirblis]

James Westby wrote:

>> Then installed the nvidia-glx.

Did the package install cleanly or were there any errors?

>> Did not work. The libglx.so, etc were not installed anywhere I (or the 
>> xorg.conf) could find them. I will check again when the locate db is 
>> updated. 
>> Reinstalled the nvidia run meanwhile.

[...]

> Yes, but I guess they are there somewhere, it would be rare for a
> package to be uploaded containing no files.

It is possible that on uninstall NVIDIA installer removed something it
should not. Try reinstalling "xserver-xorg-core" and maybe GL (mesa) and
GLUT libs after removing the driver.


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[James Westby]

On (28/06/06 21:48), David Baron wrote:
> Then installed the nvidia-glx.
> 
> Did not work. The libglx.so, etc were not installed anywhere I (or the 
> xorg.conf) could find them. I will check again when the locate db is updated. 
> Reinstalled the nvidia run meanwhile.

dpkg -L nvidia-glx

should help.

You need matching versions of nvidia-glx and kernel modules for X to
run. That's the 8192 or whatever.

James

> 
> (If I really cannot find them, I guess I file a bug.) 
> 

Yes, but I guess they are there somewhere, it would be rare for a
package to be uploaded containing no files.

James

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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[David Baron]

> David Baron wrote:
> > OK. Now the question. Which packages are needed for a GEforce 440 card?
>
> Probably the normal (the non-legacy) driver packages.
>
> > ( compile my own kernels so the 2.6 kernel meta-stuff is probably not
> > appropriate since I always have full source. Still leaves a lot of
> > different packages.)
>
> Please read . Especially
> the "Build manually, with a custom kernel" section

A very informative article. So I tried it.

Step one worked just fine with the m-a.

Then installed the nvidia-glx.

Did not work. The libglx.so, etc were not installed anywhere I (or the 
xorg.conf) could find them. I will check again when the locate db is updated. 
Reinstalled the nvidia run meanwhile.

(If I really cannot find them, I guess I file a bug.) 


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[Wulfy]

Linas Žvirblis wrote:

David Baron wrote:

  

OK. Now the question. Which packages are needed for a GEforce 440 card?



Probably the normal (the non-legacy) driver packages.
Are there debs for the *legacy* driver?  I couldn't find one when I was 
looking.  I need the 7167 driver for my TNT2 card.  I've been using the 
.run file from nVidia and am having problems with the latest updated 
2.6.8(-3-686) (sarge) kernel.  It won't seem to compile for it and wants 
to remove the driver so from the 2.6.8-2-686 modules.


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[Linas Žvirblis]

David Baron wrote:

> OK. Now the question. Which packages are needed for a GEforce 440 card?

Probably the normal (the non-legacy) driver packages.

> ( compile my own kernels so the 2.6 kernel meta-stuff is probably not 
> appropriate since I always have full source. Still leaves a lot of different 
> packages.)

Please read . Especially
the "Build manually, with a custom kernel" section.


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Re: Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[David Baron]

>> Are they "better" or equivalent?  Probably updated with Xorg changes, etc. 
>> which is better. However, the manufacturer must also know what they are 
>> doing?

>Files inside are exactly the same, except maybe cases where certain
>modifications are needed to make them work in Debian.

OK. Folks were complaining about these with googeearth not working. Works fine 
for me so I thought they were different.

>The driver needs to overwrite a couple of files that belong to xorg, so
>if you use the installer, the files will be overwritten without Debian
>package management system knowing that. This will lead to them being
>overwritten again by xorg on next upgrade, and you will have to
>reinstall NVIDIA drivers.

This explains the bug I filed about freeglut producing an error after recent 
Xorg upgrades. Reinstalling that driver fixed it.

>The packages make the package management system remember they were
>overwritten and preserves them on upgrades. They will also be updated
>once NVIDIA releases a patch, which you would have to apply manually
>otherwise.

>You will get the same either way. Proprietary drivers are still
>proprietary drivers no matter how you install them.

OK. Now the question. Which packages are needed for a GEforce 440 card? 
( compile my own kernels so the 2.6 kernel meta-stuff is probably not 
appropriate since I always have full source. Still leaves a lot of different 
packages.)


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[Linas Žvirblis]

David Baron wrote:

> Are they "better" or equivalent?  Probably updated with Xorg changes, etc. 
> which is better. However, the manufacturer must also know what they are 
> doing?

Files inside are exactly the same, except maybe cases where certain
modifications are needed to make them work in Debian.

The driver needs to overwrite a couple of files that belong to xorg, so
if you use the installer, the files will be overwritten without Debian
package management system knowing that. This will lead to them being
overwritten again by xorg on next upgrade, and you will have to
reinstall NVIDIA drivers.

The packages make the package management system remember they were
overwritten and preserves them on upgrades. They will also be updated
once NVIDIA releases a patch, which you would have to apply manually
otherwise.

You will get the same either way. Proprietary drivers are still
proprietary drivers no matter how you install them.

> Didn't know there were any options. Next new kernel, I'll try it (if I do not 
> go over to the Debian driver).

If you decide to go with debs, do not forget to uninstall the driver
before installing packages.

One thing to consider is that if you do not run Debian Unstable, you
will not get the latest drivers. On the other hand, all NVIDIA drivers
are buggy in one way or another, so a new driver is not necessarily better.

> I would assume that the default behavior would be to leave the pre-existing 
> kernel's module in place. This is what most folks trying a newer kernel would 
> want.

You are free to bug NVIDIA as much as you want, but do not expect things
to change anytime soon. As long as the driver is proprietary, there is
nothing we can do to make things work the way they should.


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[David Baron]

> > First, it now incorrectly removes the driver from the 2.6.16 modules and
> > then nicely installs the driver onto the 2.6.17 modules. If I want to
> > keep more than one kernel around, the installer.run does not cooperate
> > :-)
>
> First of all, I highly recommend using the Debian packages and not the
> installer you got from NVIDIA. It can be confusing at first (a couple of
> methods available depending on how you deal with kernels), but it will
> save a lot of trouble during upgrades, and is multiple kernel friendly.

Are they "better" or equivalent?  Probably updated with Xorg changes, etc. 
which is better. However, the manufacturer must also know what they are 
doing?
>
> If you really want to use the installer, there is a way to use multiple
> kernels. If I remember correctly, it has an option for that in advanced
> options (--advanced-options).

Didn't know there were any options. Next new kernel, I'll try it (if I do not 
go over to the Debian driver).

> > They surely would want to change this! No way to contact them?

I would assume that the default behavior would be to leave the pre-existing 
kernel's module in place. This is what most folks trying a newer kernel would 
want.


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Re: Nvidia (their's) driver on multiple kernels.

[Linas Žvirblis]

David Baron wrote:

> First, it now incorrectly removes the driver from the 2.6.16 modules and then 
> nicely installs the driver onto the 2.6.17 modules. If I want to keep more 
> than one kernel around, the installer.run does not cooperate :-)

First of all, I highly recommend using the Debian packages and not the
installer you got from NVIDIA. It can be confusing at first (a couple of
methods available depending on how you deal with kernels), but it will
save a lot of trouble during upgrades, and is multiple kernel friendly.

If you really want to use the installer, there is a way to use multiple
kernels. If I remember correctly, it has an option for that in advanced
options (--advanced-options).

> They surely would want to change this! No way to contact them?

There is also a forum [1] where you can contact NVIDIA developers, but,
as I said, it is already possible.

[1] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?forumid=14


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