Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 16:12 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > My apologies for screwing up the quote. Never mind! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1354081653.2528.43.camel@q
Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > It would be nice to correct the quotation. I didn't wrote this. I didn't > reply to this thread any more and somebody else did wrote those words, > but it's quoted in a way, that people might think I've written this. > > Wrong quotation can happen, but it should be corrected. Those words > might be true or not, but at least I like not to be killed by the > Mossad, for something I haven't written. My apologies for screwing up the quote. The attributions in the post I replied to were confusing. If I'm right (and I guarantee nothing) the correct attribution should be: "On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:33:06PM -0800, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote:" If I'm still wrong please correct me. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 14:44 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Your intent is seen by those who can read. That is all that matters. I don't worry that e.g. the Mossard will google and then kill me ;) or the German prosecution and then they will sue me ;). But an employer might google and then read "Ralf Mardorf wrote:" Followed by words I didn't wrote. Statehood of Israel is untouchable in Germany. I fight for human rights and it doesn't matter if something is true or untrue you write about Israel. If you want to change the situation for human rights in Palestine, you can't write what the other one has written and I don't like that the bad quotation create the impression, that I've written those words. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1354013609.2508.804.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Take a look what mails are from me and what mails are from others and > take care about the fact that I was silent, I only replied when it > became to insane. > > Discredit, defamation, lies! > > In the archive it's easy to see what mails, what words are from me and > what are the mails from other people. You can't see the mails of cowards > who wrote off-list. Don't worry Ralf, it is ok; as I see it, those who cannot come to sanity, in face of apology, in face of clarification, or who cannot understand how many ">" are in email, then you do not need to worry about them. Let them live in their confusion or whatever you want to call it that they be. It is ok for you to be defensive. But it is perhaps not optimal for you to be defensive. Especially when you make mistake of interpretation or assumption, eg that Nazi joke is somehow direct comparison to you/ your joke/ whatever. The things that matter, matter to those who matter. The rest live in confusion or misunderstanding; let them be there, is least effort; may be a bit of gentle clarification or simple apology, but why spend more? Your intent is seen by those who can read. That is all that matters. Peace Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSRKT_QiNYi87+mYPrm1GFdNePfz6UX4vSKcUC+CVb=u...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 15:07 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:00:05PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > > > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > > > to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. > > > > I made a joke with the contend > > > > "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women" > > JFTR, that is the first time I've seen that meaning. Therefore, I assume > that I am not the only one. > > But for future reference: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI3MwwWYC3Q Unfortunately, this SME-music-content is not available in Germany because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights. JFTR people messed up things. Read all mails again and be aware that I'm not a native speaker. And don't take care about quotations. The latest highlight is that I should have written something about Israel, but I didn't wrote it. Perhaps a joke. The only reason for me to reply again to this thread. Most of all that noise isn't from me! What next? Take a look what mails are from me and what mails are from others and take care about the fact that I was silent, I only replied when it became to insane. Discredit, defamation, lies! In the archive it's easy to see what mails, what words are from me and what are the mails from other people. You can't see the mails of cowards who wrote off-list. Listen to this one http://www.google.de/#hl=de&tbo=d&biw=1152&bih=693&sclient=psy-ab&q=truth+is+out+of+style&oq=truth+is+out+of+style&gs_l=hp.3..0i19l2j0i30i19l2.1634.5909.0.6178.21.11.0.9.9.0.386.1614.0j10j0j1.11.0...0.0...1c.1.RiNMcK9JSk4&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=fcf59fe2d0bc3145&bpcl=38897761 Ma'as-salama, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353984202.2508.737.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:58:08PM +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote: > > This is, after all, a specialised list, not a comedy central. You are joking, aren't you? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127022456.GM5407@tal
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:00:05PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > > to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. > > I made a joke with the contend > > "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women" JFTR, that is the first time I've seen that meaning. Therefore, I assume that I am not the only one. But for future reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI3MwwWYC3Q -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127020742.GA5407@tal
Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 18:02 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > > > > > On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > > >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > > >>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was > > >>> misunderstood. > > > > > Arrogant Bastard! > > > > > > -- > > > Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org > > > Buckinghamshire, England | > > > > Tony > > You might reconsider your opinion, because of the facts that Jews(Israel) > > are doing the same thing with Palestinians and around the World. > > Not a good plan to get off on that track, pal! It would be nice to correct the quotation. I didn't wrote this. I didn't reply to this thread any more and somebody else did wrote those words, but it's quoted in a way, that people might think I've written this. Wrong quotation can happen, but it should be corrected. Those words might be true or not, but at least I like not to be killed by the Mossad, for something I haven't written. Ma'as-salama, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353981247.2508.724.camel@q
Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
> > > > On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > >>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was > >>> misunderstood. > > > Arrogant Bastard! > > > > -- > > Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org > > Buckinghamshire, England | > > Tony > You might reconsider your opinion, because of the facts that Jews(Israel) > are doing the same thing with Palestinians and around the World. Not a good plan to get off on that track, pal! -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
Can we move this type of conversation somewhere else? And can we concentrate on answering Debian questions instead of list etiquette (e.g. No HTML!, No top posting!, No jokes!)? On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:33 PM, wrote: >> Forwarded Message >> From: Tony van der Hoff >> To: Ralf Mardorf >> Subject: Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: >> Mail client, threads, etc... >> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:24:41 + >> >> On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff >>>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order >>>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was >>>> misunderstood. > >> Arrogant Bastard! >> >> -- >> Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org >> Buckinghamshire, England | > > Tony > You might reconsider your opinion, because of the facts that Jews(Israel) > are doing the same thing with Palestinians and around the World. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/81ba5c023f9640032cbb5b92584a4f06.squir...@mail.vcn.bc.ca > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKmZw+bPXN5Bb10334PoXgsn+=ipz05qhbzvxeindjdujk5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I anyway received mail from the admin. Is it possible that we read it? It could be convenient to know what is happening with Debian's view point. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a3078e4f1f0c1ec40cb4e403a60c7349.squir...@mail.vcn.bc.ca
Re: What is this list for? was - Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
> Forwarded Message > From: Tony van der Hoff > To: Ralf Mardorf > Subject: Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: > Mail client, threads, etc... > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:24:41 + > > On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order >>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was >>> misunderstood. > Arrogant Bastard! > > -- > Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org > Buckinghamshire, England | Tony You might reconsider your opinion, because of the facts that Jews(Israel) are doing the same thing with Palestinians and around the World. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/81ba5c023f9640032cbb5b92584a4f06.squir...@mail.vcn.bc.ca
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Veljko wrote: > [cut] And people should forgive > each other, especially when they apologize. So shall we forgive each > others and just move on? For crying out loud... Just drop it... > > > Veljko Seconded! There is no such thing as universal joke. We always will like ones and dislike others. The problem arises when we want to measure others tastes with our perception and point-of-view. Sentences like: "this is not funny", or "this is funny" is useless. And lets not ban jokes, they are an intriguing part of human social interaction and they teach a lot to us all, specially regarding tolerance. Regards, Beco -- Dr Beco A.I. researcher --> . <-- "Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know..." (Carl Sagan, 1934-1996) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALuYw2wJtatPf9xoZiQmxZ4P3a3qb6eKSXWzYM3=5UsEFc=f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
My point is clear now, I think jokes here is a bad idea because of the problems they can give, but I understand if others disagrees. One can always use a good laugh, and I am always searching for new jokes :-) (I just think they will give more grief than laughs here) - Titanus Even jokes on windows, apples and penguins ? ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b52ba4bfa97810e1505b79b90ccf4...@neutralite.org
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:45:52 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has
> > > got a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the
> > > difference of the order to kill people and what happened on this
> > > list.
> >
> > But Tonys joke is funny, and I don't really like being called sick
> > because I like it. How can one say others don't have humor, and then
> > react like this on a joke?
> >
> > Not that I need to explain [a little of] my humor in this regard
> > ("black humor" as we call it in Denmark), but it's funny because of
> > how sick it is, and it serves to remind us all about what to avoid.
> > If we would stop to talk about it, joke about it and what not, then
> > history is a little bit closer to repeat itself.
> >
> > And this is exactly why humor and jokes should and is off topic on a
> > international list like this. It's not funny for all.
> >
> > - Titanus
>
> It's not funny to receive tons of insults off-list.
I didn't do that.
> It's not funny, if a thread never ever will stop.
So I can't (or shouldn't) answer to a thread you wrote on earlier today?
> It at least could be moved to off topic list or at least not be
> continued by private mails to my accounts.
Why? All of this talk about jokes started here; it should end here and
not somewhere else where folk like me won't see it because we don't
follow other Debian lists.
> IIRC I apologized. IIRC I didn't wrote anything positive or negative
> to any of the last jokes. Did somebody call you sick? Did I call
> somebody sick who likes what ever kind of humour?
You wrote "I agree that sometimes comparing the Nazis with what happens
today is ok, Godwin's law is stupid, we need to to compare from time to
time, but in this case it's completely sick."
The point I was trying to make is that jokes rarely are universally
funny. You like jokes about men other people don't, and I like jokes
about Nazis you don't. That's fine by me and the reason I think jokes
don't belong in international gatherings like the present one.
This is, after all, a specialised list, not a comedy central.
> I just don't like never ending annoyances. But I understand what
> happens, the list gets half of the mails, I the other half of the
> mails and if I now write anything it does look like I'm an idiot.
>
> Fair play :(
I don't see the game in this (fair play here is something used in
sports only, I don't know if it's the same in English), I see a
discussion about how we all are to talk to each other on this list, and
since I often finds really good help here, I would like the list to go
on, and get even better.
I also don't see how any of this makes you look like an idiot. I've
read a part of the emails you sent to this list and generally found
them informative and good.
This is not a critique of you from me, merely some observations I think
we all should consider when trying to reach some sort of consensus on
the subject.
My point is clear now, I think jokes here is a bad idea because of the
problems they can give, but I understand if others disagrees. One can
always use a good laugh, and I am always searching for new jokes :-)
(I just think they will give more grief than laughs here)
- Titanus
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Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> > Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got
> > > a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the
> > > difference of the order to kill people and what happened on this list.
> >
> > But Tonys joke is funny, and I don't really like being called sick
> > because I like it. How can one say others don't have humor, and then
> > react like this on a joke?
> >
> > Not that I need to explain [a little of] my humor in this regard
> > ("black humor" as we call it in Denmark), but it's funny because of how
> > sick it is, and it serves to remind us all about what to avoid. If we
> > would stop to talk about it, joke about it and what not, then history is
> > a little bit closer to repeat itself.
> >
> > And this is exactly why humor and jokes should and is off topic on a
> > international list like this. It's not funny for all.
> >
> > - Titanus
>
> It's not funny to receive tons of insults off-list.
> It's not funny, if a thread never ever will stop.
> It at least could be moved to off topic list or at least not be
> continued by private mails to my accounts.
>
> IIRC I apologized. IIRC I didn't wrote anything positive or negative to
> any of the last jokes. Did somebody call you sick? Did I call somebody
> sick who likes what ever kind of humour?
>
> I just don't like never ending annoyances. But I understand what
> happens, the list gets half of the mails, I the other half of the mails
> and if I now write anything it does look like I'm an idiot.
>
> Fair play :(
>
It's the CONTEXT that makes his joke bad, since it wasn't meant as a
joke. You can write the same in another CONTEXT and it will be a joke
for some people.
When I noticed that I hurt somebody who misunderstand my joke I directly
uncalled tried to explain and apologized.
I anyway received mail from the admin.
What should I do with off-list mail in the future? Should I forward all
those "jokes" to the list? Admin?
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Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
>
> > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got
> > a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the
> > difference of the order to kill people and what happened on this list.
>
> But Tonys joke is funny, and I don't really like being called sick
> because I like it. How can one say others don't have humor, and then
> react like this on a joke?
>
> Not that I need to explain [a little of] my humor in this regard
> ("black humor" as we call it in Denmark), but it's funny because of how
> sick it is, and it serves to remind us all about what to avoid. If we
> would stop to talk about it, joke about it and what not, then history is
> a little bit closer to repeat itself.
>
> And this is exactly why humor and jokes should and is off topic on a
> international list like this. It's not funny for all.
>
> - Titanus
PS: I received more positive replies off-list, than insults. However,
receiving insults should stop after a while. My apologize were not
accepted! Nobody ever did apologize to me!
Do you notice a difference? I don't write mails off-list. I apologize. I
stopped continuing this thread. But now it's enough!
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Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
>
> > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got
> > a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the
> > difference of the order to kill people and what happened on this list.
>
> But Tonys joke is funny, and I don't really like being called sick
> because I like it. How can one say others don't have humor, and then
> react like this on a joke?
>
> Not that I need to explain [a little of] my humor in this regard
> ("black humor" as we call it in Denmark), but it's funny because of how
> sick it is, and it serves to remind us all about what to avoid. If we
> would stop to talk about it, joke about it and what not, then history is
> a little bit closer to repeat itself.
>
> And this is exactly why humor and jokes should and is off topic on a
> international list like this. It's not funny for all.
>
> - Titanus
It's not funny to receive tons of insults off-list.
It's not funny, if a thread never ever will stop.
It at least could be moved to off topic list or at least not be
continued by private mails to my accounts.
IIRC I apologized. IIRC I didn't wrote anything positive or negative to
any of the last jokes. Did somebody call you sick? Did I call somebody
sick who likes what ever kind of humour?
I just don't like never ending annoyances. But I understand what
happens, the list gets half of the mails, I the other half of the mails
and if I now write anything it does look like I'm an idiot.
Fair play :(
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Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 03:28:04PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews etc., > it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. I just couldn't agree more. I refuse to accept that people on this list are malicious. People are helping other people, they spend their valuable time on it. So I don't think Ralf meant to insult anyone. I find his joke funny. And I think Tony's joke was funny too. And I'm from country that suffered because of bad painter. And people should forgive each other, especially when they apologize. So shall we forgive each others and just move on? For crying out loud... Just drop it... Veljko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121126160612.gc6...@angelina.example.org
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got
> a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the
> difference of the order to kill people and what happened on this list.
But Tonys joke is funny, and I don't really like being called sick
because I like it. How can one say others don't have humor, and then
react like this on a joke?
Not that I need to explain [a little of] my humor in this regard
("black humor" as we call it in Denmark), but it's funny because of how
sick it is, and it serves to remind us all about what to avoid. If we
would stop to talk about it, joke about it and what not, then history is
a little bit closer to repeat itself.
And this is exactly why humor and jokes should and is off topic on a
international list like this. It's not funny for all.
- Titanus
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Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hello Ralf, > > >This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really > >were killed by Nazis. > > And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people didn't > find your comment about women funny. As 1000 times explained, the joke was about men, not women. Anyway sexism and I apologized if it should have hurt anybody. > > You lose. Get over it. Move on. Than it would be nice, if I need not to receive additional insults off-list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353942141.2508.383.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:45 +, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hello Ralf, > > >This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really > >were killed by Nazis. > > And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people didn't > find your comment about women funny. > > You lose. Get over it. Move on. In this context I don't believe he made a joke, read his other mails. I apologized, he insults. I thought this thread already was closed, at least after the admin blamed me. I simply unsubscribe. This was a battle? I wasn't aware of this. And the winner is? I neither want to win nor to lose. I don't like the noise and that I get blamed for this noise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353941945.2508.380.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:44 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:31 +0100, darkestkhan wrote: Tony wrote, not darkestkhan (not my mistake, the DE and MUA are broken), pardon > > >> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the > > >> >> order > > >> >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was > > >> >> misunderstood. > > On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:36 +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Your joke was not harmless. Stop playing the injured party. > > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 13:24 +, Tony van der Hoff > Arrogant Bastard! > > > > darkestkhan wrote: > > I'm from Poland and I will tell you that we make this kind of jokes > > quite a lot so I didn't > > find it offensive at all (in fact I thought it was quite funny) - as > > bad as past events were > > it is just that - past - you can't ever forget it (or the same thing > > will happen again) but > > we can't brood over it. [we don't have any kind of taboo when it comes > > to jokes]. > > This OT already was moved to the OT list. > > Tony doesn't make jokes, his intention is to spoil peace. > > So what I wrote was bad and what Tony wrote is a joke? > > Grotesque! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353941345.2508.374.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 15:31 +0100, darkestkhan wrote: > >> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > >> >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was > >> >> misunderstood. On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:36 +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Your joke was not harmless. Stop playing the injured party. On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 13:24 +, Tony van der Hoff Arrogant Bastard! darkestkhan wrote: > I'm from Poland and I will tell you that we make this kind of jokes > quite a lot so I didn't > find it offensive at all (in fact I thought it was quite funny) - as > bad as past events were > it is just that - past - you can't ever forget it (or the same thing > will happen again) but > we can't brood over it. [we don't have any kind of taboo when it comes > to jokes]. This OT already was moved to the OT list. Tony doesn't make jokes, his intention is to spoil peace. So what I wrote was bad and what Tony wrote is a joke? Grotesque! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353941096.2508.373.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:53:18 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hello Ralf, >This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really >were killed by Nazis. And there we have it; You don't find this funny. Many people didn't find your comment about women funny. You lose. Get over it. Move on. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Bet you thought you had it all worked out Problem - Sex Pistols signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 14:44 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > Le 26.11.2012 14:34, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : > > On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > >>> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the > >>> order > >>> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was > >>> misunderstood. > >> > >> I made a joke with the contend > >> > >> "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women" > >> > >> this might or might not implement that women are the cause for big > >> mistakes or it simply does mean some man are stupid. > >> > >> This might be or might not be a good or bad joke. > >> > >> The serious order to kill humans for you is the same as my joke? > >> > >> You need serious help! > > I guess this is the time of > > > / __) () () () () () (__ \ > |_| |_| >_ __ __ > | |/ | _ __ ___ (_)_ __ | |_ | | > | || | | '_ \ / _ \| | '_ \| __|| | > |_|| | | |_) | (_) | | | | | |_ |_| >_ |_| | .__/ \___/|_|_| |_|\__| _ > | | |_| | | > | | | | > |_| _ _ |_| >_ / ___| ___ __| |_ _(_)_ __ _ > | | | | _ / _ \ / _` \ \ /\ / / | '_ \| | > | | | |_| | (_) | (_| |\ V V /| | | | | | | > |_|\|\___/ \__,_| \_/\_/ |_|_| |_| |_| >__ > | |__ __| | > \) () () () () () (/ > > I did not thought that it was possible to reach it starting with a > discussion on mail clients (and through a debate on jokes, debate which, > of course, contains some examples). > > > > > Perhaps the circumcentre of his world, is not coincident yours.. > > Hopefully. Godwin isn't the point. The cynical issue is, that it even wasn't a joke about women, but men, so I apologized + others and me explained the joke, but the insults won't stop. How should countries in the real world stop a war, if humans are unable to excuse a misunderstanding that didn't physically hurt anybody? And even if on a mailing list something really bad should happen. Isn't there a time when it should stop? Should this become a thread that will be continued in let's say thousand years ;). IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has got a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the difference of the order to kill people and what happened on this list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353940084.2508.367.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 00:34 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff >> >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order >> >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. >> > >> > I made a joke with the contend >> > >> > "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women" >> > >> > this might or might not implement that women are the cause for big >> > mistakes or it simply does mean some man are stupid. >> > >> > This might be or might not be a good or bad joke. >> > >> > The serious order to kill humans for you is the same as my joke? >> > >> > You need serious help! >> >> Perhaps the circumcentre of his world, is not coincident yours.. > > This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really > were killed by Nazis. Fortunately I was born in 1966 and only my parents > and grandparents and the parents of my grandparents lived at that time. > As for many German families there were victims of the Nazis and > followers in my family, so I know this history not only from books and > films, but from people who experienced this time. > > It's ok to make jokes about this time, but equate banality with serious > orders to kill people is dangerous. > I'm from Poland and I will tell you that we make this kind of jokes quite a lot so I didn't find it offensive at all (in fact I thought it was quite funny) - as bad as past events were it is just that - past - you can't ever forget it (or the same thing will happen again) but we can't brood over it. [we don't have any kind of taboo when it comes to jokes]. -- darkestkhan -- Feel free to CC me. jid: darkestk...@gmail.com May The Source be with You. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CACRpbMhL64VMAjg6+NKwWbLz=ulhsvkgkqy23bqrg7dvwyj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 00:34 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. > > > > I made a joke with the contend > > > > "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women" > > > > this might or might not implement that women are the cause for big > > mistakes or it simply does mean some man are stupid. > > > > This might be or might not be a good or bad joke. > > > > The serious order to kill humans for you is the same as my joke? > > > > You need serious help! > > Perhaps the circumcentre of his world, is not coincident yours.. This isn't a joke, since I'm from Germany and a lot of people really were killed by Nazis. Fortunately I was born in 1966 and only my parents and grandparents and the parents of my grandparents lived at that time. As for many German families there were victims of the Nazis and followers in my family, so I know this history not only from books and films, but from people who experienced this time. It's ok to make jokes about this time, but equate banality with serious orders to kill people is dangerous. I agree that sometimes comparing the Nazis with what happens today is ok, Godwin's law is stupid, we need to to compare from time to time, but in this case it's completely sick. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353937998.2508.356.camel@q
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It's not marked as [off-list], but by accident send off-list. I've got enough from this list. Forwarded Message From: Tony van der Hoff To: Ralf Mardorf Subject: Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc... Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:24:41 + On 26/11/12 13:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. > > I made a joke with the contend > > "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women" > > this might or might not implement that women are the cause for big > mistakes or it simply does mean some man are stupid. > > This might be or might not be a good or bad joke. > > The serious order to kill humans for you is the same as my joke? > > You need serious help! > > Arrogant Bastard! -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353936834.2508.346.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
Le 26.11.2012 14:34, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff
It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the
order
to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was
misunderstood.
I made a joke with the contend
"Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women"
this might or might not implement that women are the cause for big
mistakes or it simply does mean some man are stupid.
This might be or might not be a good or bad joke.
The serious order to kill humans for you is the same as my joke?
You need serious help!
I guess this is the time of
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I did not thought that it was possible to reach it starting with a
discussion on mail clients (and through a debate on jokes, debate which,
of course, contains some examples).
Perhaps the circumcentre of his world, is not coincident yours..
Hopefully.
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Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff >> It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order >> to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. > > I made a joke with the contend > > "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women" > > this might or might not implement that women are the cause for big > mistakes or it simply does mean some man are stupid. > > This might be or might not be a good or bad joke. > > The serious order to kill humans for you is the same as my joke? > > You need serious help! Perhaps the circumcentre of his world, is not coincident yours.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnss10nsivctz+fmv8tznsqwpjnemiro44binbldzk0z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:27 +, Tony van der Hoff > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order > to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. I made a joke with the contend "Men tend to make mistakes, when they are in love with a women" this might or might not implement that women are the cause for big mistakes or it simply does mean some man are stupid. This might be or might not be a good or bad joke. The serious order to kill humans for you is the same as my joke? You need serious help! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1353934805.2508.340.camel@q
Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...
On 26/11/12 11:45, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 26.11.2012 01:56, Zenaan Harkness a écrit : >> On 11/26/12, Neal Murphy wrote: >>> On Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:54:33 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... My humour is less good than Chaplin's ... >>> >>> OK. Pointed, direct humor back at you. What was the shortest book ever >>> published? "One Thousand Years of German Humor", which consisted of the >>> frontispiece, the preface, and the introduction. :) :) >> >> Outrageous! Simply outrageous! >> >> Would a smiley just about now be politically correct, or incorrect? > > Good question, because showing what sounds obvious for someone can make > him feeling outraged! > > PS: "One Thousand Years of German Humor" => nice joke > > It is alleged, that a certain German Fuerer added a smiley to the order to exterminate the Jews, to indicate it was a joke. It was misunderstood. -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50b3601e.2070...@vanderhoff.org
