Re: What�s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

2012-01-24 Thread Robert Holtzman 
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:15:33AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2012, lee wrote:
> > Jon Dowland  writes:
> > 
> > > I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
> > > or mpop are options.
> > 
> > What´s wrong with fetchmail?
> > 
> > 
> 
> It's fine if it works for you, but some years ago I had problems
> authenticting myself to a mail server with fetchmail. I switched to
> getmail4 and it worked instantly. I can't remember the details now but
> I've always used getmail4 since them.

I'm not sure something that happened to you years ago would justify a
recomendation not to use it.

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Re: What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

2012-01-24 Thread Anthony Campbell 
On 24 Jan 2012, Johann Spies wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:15:33PM +0200, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> 
> 
> > It's fine if it works for you, but some years ago I had problems
> > authenticting myself to a mail server with fetchmail. I switched to
> > getmail4 and it worked instantly. I can't remember the details now but
> > I've always used getmail4 since them.
> 
> I have used fetchmail for many years (might be about 15 now).  At more
> than one stage I experimented with getmail which also worked but I
> always came back to fetchmail.  I found getmail a bit more complicated
> (or maybe it was just 'strange' for me) to configure properly.
> 
> Regards
> Johann
> 

Interesting. I found getmail easy to configure, using the examples in
the docs as a template. Anyway, this just illustrates one of the nice
things about Linux - lots of different ways to get the result you want.


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Re: What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

2012-01-24 Thread Johann Spies 
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:15:33PM +0200, Anthony Campbell wrote:


> It's fine if it works for you, but some years ago I had problems
> authenticting myself to a mail server with fetchmail. I switched to
> getmail4 and it worked instantly. I can't remember the details now but
> I've always used getmail4 since them.

I have used fetchmail for many years (might be about 15 now).  At more
than one stage I experimented with getmail which also worked but I
always came back to fetchmail.  I found getmail a bit more complicated
(or maybe it was just 'strange' for me) to configure properly.

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Re: What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

2012-01-24 Thread Tom H 
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:47 AM, lee  wrote:
> Jon Dowland  writes:
>
>> I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
>> or mpop are options.
>
> What´s wrong with fetchmail?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/01/msg01476.html


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Re: What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

2012-01-24 Thread Anthony Campbell 
On 24 Jan 2012, lee wrote:
> Jon Dowland  writes:
> 
> > I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
> > or mpop are options.
> 
> What´s wrong with fetchmail?
> 
> 

It's fine if it works for you, but some years ago I had problems
authenticting myself to a mail server with fetchmail. I switched to
getmail4 and it worked instantly. I can't remember the details now but
I've always used getmail4 since them.

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What´s wrong with fetchmail? (Re: POP3 in Debian)

2012-01-24 Thread lee 
Jon Dowland  writes:

> I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
> or mpop are options.

What´s wrong with fetchmail?


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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-20 Thread Walter Hurry 
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:38:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:

> I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
> or mpop are options.

What's wrong with Fetchmail? Works flawlessly for me.



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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-20 Thread Camaleón 
On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:49:22 -0800, peasthope wrote:

> Since the weekend my MUA POP3 connection has failed to receive messages
> with this appearing in the log. 

Which MUA?

> --- POP
> RCV: +OK pop.shaw.ca
> SND: USER peasthope
> RCV: +OK password required for user peasth...@shaw.ca 
> SND: PASS 
> RCV: +OK server ready
> SND: UIDL
> RCV: +OK 35 messages
> SND: LIST  1
> RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
> SND: RETR  1
> RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
> SND: QUIT
> 
> Failure in parsing "LIST 1" baffles.  How big a problem can parsing of 6
> characters be?  

I have encountered weird problems with a combination of qmail (server) 
and some bad formatted e-mail messages (most of them spam) when retrieved 
from my client. Using another MUA can help in some cases.

> To understand further, I want a Debian system to automatically retrieve
> messages from the POP3 server and put them in /home/peter/mbox. Then
> qpopper can let the preferred MUA pop them from the mbox.  Which
> software should be configured to retrieve from the ISP POP3 server and
> store in mbox?  Exim, getmail or another?

I'm using fetchmail to do that. My schema is as follows:

POP3 server (remote site / isp server) → fetchmail → spamassassin → postfix → 
cyrus (my local pop3 e-mail server) → MUA (clients)

I use this setup because I have to distribute e-mails to my network users 
and so I prefer having a complete pop3/imap server running locally. In your 
case, you can just reduce the full chain to:

POP3 server (remote site / isp server) → fetchmail → your $HOME mailbox → MUA 
(clients)

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-20 Thread Camaleón 
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:38:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:

(...)

> I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
> or mpop are options.

Long-time fetchmail user -and lover- here! (me, I mean...) :-)

Can you please explain what motivates your above advice?

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald 
Am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2012 schrieb Jon Dowland:
> On 19/01/12 12:50, Mathias Bauer wrote:
> > Is this a general advice?  If so, then why?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>  covers many
> reasons.

Holy smoke!

Well that are enough reasons for me. OTOH it would be interesting to know 
the other side of the story.

Thanks for the hint, I will consider it, should I need to configure some 
mail fetching somewhere again.

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Jon Dowland 

On 19/01/12 12:50, Mathias Bauer wrote:

Is this a general advice?  If so, then why?


Yes.

 covers many
reasons.


Or is it your advice for the OP's aim to directly deliver messages to
a mbox or maildir without exim and without running an MDA.


I didn't read the OP's message as indicating that one piece of software
needed to deliver to that place without invoking another. Indeed, "I 
want a Debian system" would seem to support using multiple bits (such as

getmail + a MDA such as Exim)

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Mathias Bauer 
* Jon Dowland wrote on 2012-01-19 at 11:38 (+):

> On 19/01/12 09:32, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> >You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure
> >whether it can store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it
> >only supports maildir.
>
> Fairly sure fetchmail (et al) can inject mail to the local MDA,
> so where it ends up afterwards depends on how you've set up
> exim or an alternative.
>
> I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail:
> getmail or mpop are options.

Is this a general advice?  If so, then why?  Or is it your advice
for the OP's aim to directly deliver messages to a mbox or
maildir without exim and without running an MDA.

Yes, I checked the short package descriptions of getmail and
mpop.  And I'm using fetchmail for myself (but no POP3s) without
any problems.

Regards,
Mathias


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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Osamu Aoki 
Hi,

Both getmail4 and fetchmail can handle this task well (Though I like
the getmail4 package as being its maintainer.)

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 01:49:22PM -0800, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Since the weekend my MUA POP3 connection has failed to receive 
> messages with this appearing in the log.
> --- POP
> RCV: +OK pop.shaw.ca
> SND: USER peasthope
> RCV: +OK password required for user peasth...@shaw.ca
> SND: PASS 
> RCV: +OK server ready
> SND: UIDL
> RCV: +OK 35 messages
> SND: LIST  1
> RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
> SND: RETR  1
> RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
> SND: QUIT
> 
> Failure in parsing "LIST 1" baffles.  How big a problem can parsing of 6 
> characters be?  To understand further, I want a Debian system to 
> automatically 
> retrieve messages from the POP3 server and put them in /home/peter/mbox.  
> Then qpopper can let the preferred MUA pop them from the mbox.  Which 

Qpopper
The most widely-used POP3 server for UNIX, Linux, etc.
http://www.eudora.com/products/unsupported/qpopper/index.html

Are you running that qpopper yourself?

> software should be configured to retrieve from the ISP POP3 server and 
> store in mbox?  Exim, getmail or another?

I think your message is quite confuting.

Anyway, run your MUA with more verbosity.  mutt have -d option.

Or connect to remote POP3 site with telnet.  

 
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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald 
Am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2012 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2012 schrieb Jon Dowland:
> > On 19/01/12 09:32, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure whether
> > > it can store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it only
> > > supports maildir.
> > 
> > Fairly sure fetchmail (et al) can inject mail to the local MDA, so
> > where it ends up afterwards depends on how you've set up exim or an
> > alternative.
[…]
> And yes fetchmail has such an option.

Well at least I read:

- It's now easy to deliver mail to a local LMTP socket.
http://www.fetchmail.info/fetchmail-features.html

- Delivery via SMTP to the client machine's port 25. This means the 
retrieved mail automatically goes to the system default MDA as if it were 
normal sender-initiated SMTP mail.

on

http://www.fetchmail.info/fetchmail-features.html

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald 
Am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2012 schrieb Jon Dowland:
> On 19/01/12 09:32, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure whether it
> > can store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it only supports
> > maildir.
> 
> Fairly sure fetchmail (et al) can inject mail to the local MDA, so
> where it ends up afterwards depends on how you've set up exim or an
> alternative.
> 
> I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail
> or mpop are options.

Well I am not using either, I was just suggesting, that if one tool does 
not work, the other might. But then when the one tool worked before, it is 
probably something else.

And yes fetchmail has such an option.

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Jon Dowland 

On 19/01/12 09:32, Martin Steigerwald wrote:

You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure whether it can
store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it only supports maildir.


Fairly sure fetchmail (et al) can inject mail to the local MDA, so where 
it ends up afterwards depends on how you've set up exim or an alternative.


I'd strongly recommend using something *other* than fetchmail: getmail 
or mpop are options.



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Re: Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Andrei Popescu 
On Mi, 18 ian 12, 19:16:03, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> * From: Andrei Popescu 
> * Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:06:16 +0200
> > Try having a look at your mail via some other 
> > means (webmail or so) to see if there is something that might create 
> > problems.
> 
> Web access shows nothing unusual.  Messages have come 
> to the I.S.P. mailbox since the problem with POP appeared 
> and I've deleted messages, including the oldest, via the Web.
> So newest and oldest messages have changed.  Assuming 
> message 1 is the newest or oldest, POP can't be stumbling 
> on one specific message.  I can empty the mailbox with the 
> Web interface and see the result.
 
Sorry, no other ideas.

> > For automatic retrieval I have been using getmail for a long time.
> 
> Do you have Exim still?

I do have postfix, but only for sending mails. The recommended getmail 
setup does not involve any sendmail clone (unlike fetchmail)[1]. You may 
want to use an MDA (mail delivery agent), since getmail's built-in 
sorting is limited. The author believes in The Unix Way (tm) - do one 
thing and do it well ;)

[1] re-injecting received mails in a SMTP daemon can lead to strange 
results if you are not careful.

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald 
Am Mittwoch, 18. Januar 2012 schrieb peasth...@shaw.ca:
> Failure in parsing "LIST 1" baffles.  How big a problem can parsing of
> 6  characters be?  To understand further, I want a Debian system to
> automatically retrieve messages from the POP3 server and put them in
> /home/peter/mbox. Then qpopper can let the preferred MUA pop them from
> the mbox.  Which software should be configured to retrieve from the
> ISP POP3 server and store in mbox?  Exim, getmail or another?

You could try with fetchmail, but I am not completely sure whether it can 
store what it retrieves in a mbox or whether it only supports maildir.

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-19 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz 
If it has worked before, it could as well be a temporarily problem of your 
provider.
By the way, here we're using pop3 encrypted via ssl (which nowadays every
provider should have available) in order to protect the password from 
eavesdropping.
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Re: Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-18 Thread peasthope 
*   From: Andrei Popescu 
*   Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:06:16 +0200
> Try having a look at your mail via some other 
> means (webmail or so) to see if there is something that might create 
> problems.

Web access shows nothing unusual.  Messages have come 
to the I.S.P. mailbox since the problem with POP appeared 
and I've deleted messages, including the oldest, via the Web.
So newest and oldest messages have changed.  Assuming 
message 1 is the newest or oldest, POP can't be stumbling 
on one specific message.  I can empty the mailbox with the 
Web interface and see the result.

> For automatic retrieval I have been using getmail for a long time.

Do you have Exim still?

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Re: POP3 in Debian

2012-01-18 Thread Andrei Popescu 
On Mi, 18 ian 12, 13:49:22, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Since the weekend my MUA POP3 connection has failed to receive 
> messages with this appearing in the log.
> --- POP
> RCV: +OK pop.shaw.ca
> SND: USER peasthope
> RCV: +OK password required for user peasth...@shaw.ca
> SND: PASS 
> RCV: +OK server ready
> SND: UIDL
> RCV: +OK 35 messages
> SND: LIST  1
> RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
> SND: RETR  1
> RCV: -ERR unable to parse msg
> SND: QUIT
> 
> Failure in parsing "LIST 1" baffles.  How big a problem can parsing of 
> 6 characters be?

The problem might come from one specific message in your Inbox 
(malformed or whatever). Try having a look at your mail via some other 
means (webmail or so) to see if there is something that might create 
problems.

For automatic retrieval I have been using getmail for a long time.

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