OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 07:19:17PM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2015, Curt wrote:
> 
> >My cat died and I don't want another because of the heartbreak I
> >went through.
> 
> I am so sorry for your loss, which very clearly was a *major* one.
> Try to give yourself enough time to grieve; there's no telling how
> long that will take. There's no FAQ for grief, and loss of a pet for
> many people is a more severe blow than the demise of some of the
> people in their life. We give our animals unconditional love and
> they return it, with interest on account.

When I had to put down my old guy and best friend "Num Nutz" I cried more 
than I did at my mother's funeralso I know the feeling.

> 
> >So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that
> >distinguishes us.
> 
> In many ways we are not a very admirable species. I don't really
> like people, as a group. Some of them, taken individually are just
> dandy. but as a group -- feh. Which makes it all the more difficult
> to do justice to them, which they need, and which we need to
> attempt.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- 
> Bob Bernstein

-- 

Bob Holtzman
A fair fight is the result of poor planning.

Re: OT Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Bernstein]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015, Bob Holtzman wrote:

When I had to put down my old guy and best friend "Num Nutz" I 
cried more than I did at my mother's funeralso I know the 
feeling.


Yes. Some may want to complain that this exchange is OT, but I 
submit that this Christmas week, with the world seemingly more 
ready to fly apart at the seams than it is has within my memory, 
and I turned seventy one last month, is exactly the time for at 
least a passing nod to our shared concerns of humanity and 
death.


Come the New Year (God Willing and the creek don't rise) 
there'll be plenty of time to get back to our old cranky 
individualistic ways. Right now 'tho there is a strong feeling 
abroad in the land, as they used to say, that either we stick 
together, or hang separately...


--
Bob Bernstein

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Curt]

On 2015-12-18, Ric Moore  wrote:

 I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> I use POP. Nuff said. :) Ric

And I don't give a shit what you use. I don't have a car and bought my
first cell phone six months ago.  My cat died and I don't want another
because of the heartbreak I went through.

> p/s I knew I liked you for some reason, Lisi!
>

So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that
distinguishes us.

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Bernstein]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015, Curt wrote:

My cat died and I don't want another because of the heartbreak 
I went through.


I am so sorry for your loss, which very clearly was a *major* 
one. Try to give yourself enough time to grieve; there's no 
telling how long that will take. There's no FAQ for grief, and 
loss of a pet for many people is a more severe blow than the 
demise of some of the people in their life. We give our animals 
unconditional love and they return it, with interest on account.


So you like people who are like you.  Yet another thing that 
distinguishes us.


In many ways we are not a very admirable species. I don't really 
like people, as a group. Some of them, taken individually are 
just dandy. but as a group -- feh. Which makes it all the more 
difficult to do justice to them, which they need, and which we 
need to attempt.


Best regards,

--
Bob Bernstein

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Ron]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles, lusers 
> and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to it?  (For the 
> avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)

I am also one of the unenlightened users, making grunting noises in the 
backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...)
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
 Climate is an ill-tempered beast, and we are poking it with sticks.
  -- Mark Maslin 

   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Joe]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.  
> >
> > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> >
> >   poll 
> >   protopop3
> >   user 
> >   password 
> >   ssl  
> >
> > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.  
> 
> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to
> it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> 
> I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I
> actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I
> am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> 
> I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> 

POP3 is exactly right to use email on one intermittently-powered
workstation. It can be pushed beyond that, but only by the user
manually duplicating what an IMAP system does by itself. Your choice,
of course.

I use POP3 (over ssl) to download official mail from my designated
contact address at my ISP, for which purpose it is entirely adequate. I
use various clients on various computers to access mail for my own
domains, stored on my own server, for which POP3 is not at all suitable.

-- 
Joe

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 18 December 2015 11:26:35 Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:32:01 +
>
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> > >
> > > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> > >
> > >   poll 
> > >   protopop3
> > >   user 
> > >   password 
> > >   ssl  
> > >
> > > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
> >
> > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to
> > it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> >
> > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> > prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I
> > actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I
> > am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
> >
> > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> POP3 is exactly right to use email on one intermittently-powered
> workstation. It can be pushed beyond that, but only by the user
> manually duplicating what an IMAP system does by itself. Your choice,
> of course.
>
> I use POP3 (over ssl) to download official mail from my designated
> contact address at my ISP, for which purpose it is entirely adequate. I
> use various clients on various computers to access mail for my own
> domains, stored on my own server, for which POP3 is not at all suitable.

I only own one screen on which I can see well enough to administer email - 
i.e. large enough.  So I administer my email at one location only.  That is 
one - but only one - of the reasons I choose POP3 for my personal use.

Lisi

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:57:37 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI  wrote:

Hello Renaud,

>backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...)

Using POP3 here, too.  I don't need access 24/7 worldwide to all my
emails.  And frankly, leaving (some of my personal) emails on a server I
have no control over is asking for trouble.

-- 
 Regards  _
 / )   "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
The stakes were high but the danger low
Charade - Skids


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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Bernstein]

Gene: I'm unfamiliar with the term "mailfile." Can you expand a 
tad on that? Q'est-ce que?


--
Bob Bernstein

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 18 December 2015 09:49:59 Brian wrote:
> > > > > > > Also, run 'fetchmail --version' for debugging info.
> >
> > The guts of my ~/.fetchmailrc are
> >
> >   poll 
> >   protopop3
> >   user 
> >   password 
> >   ssl  
> >
> > 'fetchmail -c -v' for testing.
>
> Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit to
> it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
>
> I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am often
> prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case I
> actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that I am
> deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as well.
>
> I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
>
> Lisi

You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit two servers 
with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the idea/premise of IMAP, 
but have been repeatedly told that setting up the server so I can do email from 
any of my 5 machines, using this one as the server and one of the clients, is 
impossible.  The all maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be 
converted back to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would 
exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13 years.

Having experienced first hand the speed of a mailfile based system, which I 
wrote a script to convert to maildir many years ago now, I would never consider 
going back, but it appears icedove is locked to something like a mailfile, 
which in my past experience is a broken concept, one wrong bit anyplace in an 
index file or in the mailfile and that whole "folder" was gone.  I lost over a 
decades worth of one folder while running on an amiga before I went linux on 
intel/amd hardware in early '98, and it was the mailing list for the TRS80 
Color Computer's. That machines aftermarket operating system, os9, is so much 
like unix that I still use it from time to time, but we've re-written it, 
fixing bugs & finding speed, so we call it Nitros9 now.

If icedove could handle maildir files thrown at it to build its database, AND 
used maildir files itself, then I could write a script that could to icedove, 
look like fetchmail/procmail delivering the mail, at 1 every 5 seconds or so, 
and let it run till whenever it was done.

During that time frame, change kmail to access via imap, so I can watch 
progress.  And after 15 minutes to prove its working, change procmail to 
deliver to icedove, or if not that, just let icedove file whats incoming, which 
would be the main reason for a pause in the script after each message has been 
moved into icedove's input queue. Less lock contention that way.

I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database to other 
machines, but have been told thats impossible. I might also point out that the 
docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for a user who has never dealt 
with it.  I'd still try it, if I could find a tutorial that started out with 
"install this list of stuff"  then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" 
so, giving an educational background reason for each.

I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my mind to even 
try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to be a helpful mailing 
list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.

Thanks for reading.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 09:54:54 Bob Bernstein wrote:

> Gene: I'm unfamiliar with the term "mailfile." Can you expand a
> tad on that? Q'est-ce que?

A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into one file, 
with a blank line or something as a separator, and an index file 
containing the starting offset and read status of each message in the 
main file to speed up the search for new mail.  The fly in that soup is 
of course that other message marks aren't preserved if the index file 
has to be completely rebuilt, a time consuming process when an 
individual folder or directory has 90,000+ emails in it.  Even maildirs 
can be slow to enter when there are 90,000+ files to search for the 3 
unread msaages newly arrived, on this system its about 9 seconds of 
watching the curser spin.  Mailfiles are even slower here.

That strikes me as a fragile system, and has been adequately proved so at 
my location, so until I run out of entry's in the directory, I will 
stick with a file per message format.

YMMV, and I could be wrong. But that is AIUI.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
> > > to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > >
> > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
> > > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this
> > > case I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell
> > > me that I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in
> > > this as well.
> > >
> > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit
> > two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the
> > idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up
> > the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this
> > one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible.
>
> It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP
> server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull
> down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to
> Dovecot. Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which
> filters them into appropriate folders.
>
> This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so
> I can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree.
> If this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up.
>
> >  The all
> > maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back
> > to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would
> > exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13
> > years.
>
> I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the
> directory size thing.
>
> > I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database
> > to other machines, but have been told thats impossible.
>
> Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so
> it can't do that.
>
> > I might also
> > point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for
> > a user who has never dealt with it.  I'd still try it, if I could
> > find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff"
> > then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an
> > educational background reason for each.
> >
> > I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my
> > mind to even try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to
> > be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.
>
> If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good
> tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the
> pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki
> at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.
>
> NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well
> for you, but I'm very happy with it.
>
> Petter

Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so as to 
maintain the order and merge it into one printable file?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 07:13:42 Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:57:37 -0300
> Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI  wrote:
>
> Hello Renaud,
>
> >backwoods and using POP3 (and refusing systemd...)
>
> Using POP3 here, too.  I don't need access 24/7 worldwide to all my
> emails.  And frankly, leaving (some of my personal) emails on a server
> I have no control over is asking for trouble.

Thats one of the reasons fetchmail runs a 3 minute sleep cycle here.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Petter Adsen]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
> > to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> >
> > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
> > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case
> > I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that
> > I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as
> > well.
> >
> > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> >
> > Lisi  
> 
> You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit
> two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the
> idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up
> the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this
> one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible.

It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP
server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull
down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to Dovecot.
Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which filters them
into appropriate folders.

This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so I
can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree. If
this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up.

>  The all
> maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back to
> something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would exceed
> the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13 years.

I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the
directory size thing.

> I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database
> to other machines, but have been told thats impossible.

Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so
it can't do that.

> I might also
> point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for
> a user who has never dealt with it.  I'd still try it, if I could
> find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff"
> then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an
> educational background reason for each.
> 
> I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my
> mind to even try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to
> be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.

If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good
tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the
pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki at
http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.

NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well for
you, but I'm very happy with it.

Petter

-- 
"I'm ionized"
"Are you sure?"
"I'm positive."

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
> > > lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
> > > to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)
> > >
> > > I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
> > > often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this
> > > case I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell
> > > me that I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in
> > > this as well.
> > >
> > > I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > You have company Lisi, OTOH I am pretty (81 now) ancient, but I hit
> > two servers with fetchmail, using pop3 to fetch.  I in fact like the
> > idea/premise of IMAP, but have been repeatedly told that setting up
> > the server so I can do email from any of my 5 machines, using this
> > one as the server and one of the clients, is impossible.
>
> It isn't impossible, that's what I do here. I run a local Dovecot IMAP
> server, on the same machine I have cron jobs that run getmail to pull
> down mail from various accounts via POP3 and hand them over to
> Dovecot. Dovecot then passes them through the Sieve plugin, which
> filters them into appropriate folders.
>
> This mail is then accessed from any of my local machines via IMAP, so
> I can use any client on any host and see the exact same folder-tree.
> If this is what you want, then it's quite easy to set up.
>
> >  The all
> > maildir email corpus I have here apparently must be converted back
> > to something resembling a mailfile, and some directories would
> > exceed the reach of a 32 bit filesystem in size as they go back 13
> > years.
>
> I've got Dovecot set up to use Maildir, but I can't comment on the
> directory size thing.
>
> > I was hoping that I could setup icedove to serve the kmail database
> > to other machines, but have been told thats impossible.
>
> Icedove/Thunderbird is a mail client, not an IMAP or POP3 server, so
> it can't do that.
>
> > I might also
> > point out that the docs on icedove/imap are worefully inadequate for
> > a user who has never dealt with it.  I'd still try it, if I could
> > find a tutorial that started out with "install this list of stuff"
> > then configure this "stuff" so, and that "stuff" so, giving an
> > educational background reason for each.
> >
> > I've not found such a tome.  And folks seem to think I'm out of my
> > mind to even try.  That attitude on the part of what is supposed to
> > be a helpful mailing list, is discouraging, for obvious reasons.
>
> If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of good
> tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up links to the
> pages I used for setting up my system if you're interested. The wiki
> at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.

ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank 
beginner who has never used an imap client before.  But I'll look again. 
What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper printing it 
out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its done.

> NOTE: I'm not saying this is a setup that is guaranteed to work well
> for you, but I'm very happy with it.
>
> Petter

And I was confused, I meant dovecot, not icedove, and whose magic crystal 
ball issues these names anyway? :)  icedove is of course t-bird, without 
the branding.

Thanks Petter.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Some mill pix are at:
Genes Web page 

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Petter Adsen]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:07:57 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of
> > good tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up
> > links to the pages I used for setting up my system if you're
> > interested. The wiki at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.  
> 
> ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank 
> beginner who has never used an imap client before.  But I'll look
> again. What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper
> printing it out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its
> done.

That wiki might be better if you have specific questions rather than as
an introduction. This is what I can find right now in my bookmarks:

http://www.debian-administration.org/article/275/Setting_up_an_IMAP_server_with_dovecot
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-and-mysql-on-debian-6-squeeze/

If you want to use Sieve filters:

http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve
http://pigeonhole.dovecot.org/
https://secure.gold.ac.uk/sieve-new/howto.php

You might also want to look at the ManageSieve plugin for Dovecot if
you have a client that supports it. There is an addon for Thunderbird,
and Claws comes with a plugin. If you give this a go and run into
problems, just let me know and I'm happy to share my configuration
files. AFAICR I found all that I needed to know for the basic setup in
the two or three first links.

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:13:58 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so as
> to maintain the order and merge it into one printable file?

You might want to take a look at the wget man page, under the
"Recursive Retrieval Options" heading.

Petter

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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 12:23:25 Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:07:57 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 18 December 2015 10:19:46 Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > If you want to try setting up a Dovecot server, there are lots of
> > > good tutorials and other docs out there. I can probably dig up
> > > links to the pages I used for setting up my system if you're
> > > interested. The wiki at http://wiki.dovecot.org is very helpful.
> >
> > ISTR I looked there, but it didn't come across as being for a rank
> > beginner who has never used an imap client before.  But I'll look
> > again. What I would like to see is something I can waste some paper
> > printing it out, so I can put highliter pen checkmarks on it as its
> > done.
>
> That wiki might be better if you have specific questions rather than
> as an introduction. This is what I can find right now in my bookmarks:
>
> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/275/Setting_up_an_IMAP_se
>rver_with_dovecot https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
> https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-a
>nd-mysql-on-debian-6-squeeze/
>
> If you want to use Sieve filters:
>
> http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve
> http://pigeonhole.dovecot.org/
> https://secure.gold.ac.uk/sieve-new/howto.php
>
> You might also want to look at the ManageSieve plugin for Dovecot if
> you have a client that supports it. There is an addon for Thunderbird,
> and Claws comes with a plugin. If you give this a go and run into
> problems, just let me know and I'm happy to share my configuration
> files. AFAICR I found all that I needed to know for the basic setup in
> the two or three first links.
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:13:58 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Do we have a utility that can pull that, including all sublinks so
> > as to maintain the order and merge it into one printable file?
>
> You might want to take a look at the wget man page, under the
> "Recursive Retrieval Options" heading.
>
> Petter

Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are 
syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
-np
--follow-ftp
-r
-l 20
-k

Then, invoking wget:

$> wget http://wiki.dovecot.org/FrontPage
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 1.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 2.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 3.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 4.
wget: Syntax error in /home/gene/.wgetrc at line 5.

Obviously something is all aglay.

Thanks for any insight.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 18 December 2015 16:07:57 Gene Heskett wrote:
> And I was confused, I meant dovecot, not icedove, and whose magic crystal
> ball issues these names anyway? :)  icedove is of course t-bird, without
> the branding.

Phew.  Glad it wasn't me.  I couldn't make sense of "Icedove", but there is so 
much that I don't know .

Lisi

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Ric Moore]

On 12/18/2015 10:19 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:31:45 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

On Friday 18 December 2015 05:32:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:

Having just by implication been told by someone that only muggles,
lusers and/or dinosaurs use POP3, how many others of us will admit
to it?  (For the avoidance of doubt, I use POP3.)

I won't admit to being a muggle or a luser (who, me?), but I am
often prepared to admit to being a dinosaur.  However, in this case
I actually don't agree with the premise.  Feel free to tell me that
I am deluding myself and that I am indeed a dinosaur in this as
well.

I just don't, for my use, like a lot of what IMAP does.


I use POP. Nuff said. :) Ric

p/s I knew I liked you for some reason, Lisi!

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Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Martin Read]

On 18/12/15 18:14, Gene Heskett wrote:

Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are
syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
-np
--follow-ftp
-r
-l 20
-k


Using "info wget" to read the wget user manual, I see that your wgetrc 
is indeed syntactically invalid. To do what yours appears to be intended 
to do, you would need something like:


no_parent = on
follow_ftp = on
recursive = on
reclevel = 20
convert_links = on

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Bob Bernstein]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:

A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into 
one file, with a blank line or something as a separator, and 
an index file containing the starting offset and read status 
of each message in the main file to speed up the search for 
new mail.


Is that structure/function of the mailfile found only in 
connection with certain specific MUA's, those which, for 
example, might implement or somehow make use of it?


I know about maildir, mbox and mh, but not mailfile. But don't 
sweat this Gene; if I was really curious I'd google the goshdarn 
thing!



--
Bob Bernstein

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Joe]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 16:33:14 -0500 (EST)
Bob Bernstein  wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> > A mailfile, as I understand it, is the whole thing merged into 
> > one file, with a blank line or something as a separator, and 
> > an index file containing the starting offset and read status 
> > of each message in the main file to speed up the search for 
> > new mail.  
> 
> Is that structure/function of the mailfile found only in 
> connection with certain specific MUA's, those which, for 
> example, might implement or somehow make use of it?
> 
> I know about maildir, mbox and mh, but not mailfile. But don't 
> sweat this Gene; if I was really curious I'd google the goshdarn 
> thing!
> 
> 

I was assuming that he meant the mbox format, which is/was pretty much
universal before the widespread use of IMAP. Debian's default MTA exim4
uses mbox by default but is easy to switch to maildir. As I recall, and
it's a few years ago now, that was the only reconfiguration needed on my
server when I installed Courier IMAP. Otherwise, it all Just Worked,
and has done so ever since.

I don't believe dovecot was around then, it was a choice between
Courier, Cyrus and UW, and I have no recollection at all of the
reason for my choice.

-- 
Joe

Re: POP3 was: Re: command not found [SOLVED]

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 18 December 2015 14:02:52 Martin Read wrote:

> On 18/12/15 18:14, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Ok, I have constructed a recursive pull ~/.wgetrc, but all I get are
> > syntax errors.  The file: (which kmail cannit insert, so copy-paste)
> > gene@coyote:~/Documents/dovecot-wiki$ cat ~/.wgetrc
> > -np
> > --follow-ftp
> > -r
> > -l 20
> > -k
>
> Using "info wget" to read the wget user manual, I see that your wgetrc
> is indeed syntactically invalid. To do what yours appears to be
> intended to do, you would need something like:
>
> no_parent = on
> follow_ftp = on
> recursive = on
> reclevel = 20
> convert_links = on

I changed it, and while it is attempting to do something, the errors are 
abundant, like no permission, 403 FORBIDEN, and 503 SERVICE NOT 
AVAILABLE  Total files retrieved and converted are only about 30.

Many of the filenames were long strings of high bit set hex numbers. None 
of which existed. So obviously I need to set a few more options.  But 
what?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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