Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Mi, 08 iun 11, 10:06:36, Lisi wrote: I did say YMMV As I say, I personally find the traction inadequate with optical mice. I can easily deduce that most people like them! Maybe it's just because of more dust here, but I have to clean the sliders all the time on my mice. OTOH I don't like it if they don't slide easily, but I don't use pads anywhere, just the desktop surface. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:05:30 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new? I use a PS/2 mouse with Debian, but it does not have a wheel; so I can't address your specific situation. But as to your more general question about hardware support, I doubt that Debian in particular or Linux in general intentionally dropped support for PS/2 mice with wheels. It's more likely a bug. The problem is usually that the people who write or maintain the code don't have the necessary hardware to test it themselves. Pity! Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307612656.3190.54.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 09/06/11 19:44, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:05:30 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new? I use a PS/2 mouse with Debian, but it does not have a wheel; so I can't address your specific situation. But as to your more general question about hardware support, I doubt that Debian in particular or Linux in general intentionally dropped support for PS/2 mice with wheels. It's more likely a bug. The problem is usually that the people who write or maintain the code don't have the necessary hardware to test it themselves. Would that be HAL, Xorg, or ? developers? 'cause if it's lack of appropriate hardware that's causing the problem - PS/2 mice is just the kind of hardware I'd be happy to donate! :-) snipped PS/2 wheel mice are the only mice I use and all currently releases of Debian for the i386 support them by default. With amd64 I have tried with Squeeze. The only laptops I've installed to are running Squeeze. That's as a three-button mouse with a scrolling wheel. The only problems I've seen with PS/2 mice and Linux in recent years have come from:- ;using mice that require drivers in Windoof (for basic functionality) - there's a Korean or Chinese mouse I've come across a couple of times (CMPsomething?) - throw in bin to fix ;(most common lately, espec. Dell) laptops with touchpads - disable touchpad ;laptops with a mouse hanging off a Y connector - don't use Y connector ;devices with touch screens - I have no idea how to fix ;BIOS has PlugNPray turned off or problematic IRQ settings - turn on PNP I've put the appropriate xorg.conf section in another post - it might be worth a try, though I'd be more interested in seeing the halinfo and dmesg first... eg:- dmesg | grep -i ps/2 [0.679471] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f03:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 [0.682717] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [4.381405] input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input4 lshal | grep -i ps/2 info.product = 'Microsoft PS/2-style Mouse' (string) pnp.description = 'Microsoft PS/2-style Mouse' (string) info.product = 'IBM Enhanced (101/102-key, PS/2 mouse support)' (string) pnp.description = 'IBM Enhanced (101/102-key, PS/2 mouse support)' (string) info.product = 'ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse' (string) input.product = 'ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse' (string) Cheers -- Tuttle? His name's Buttle. There must be some mistake. Mistake? [Chuckles] We don't make mistakes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4df0a659.3080...@gmail.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 20:54 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 09/06/11 19:44, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:45 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:05:30 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new? I use a PS/2 mouse with Debian, but it does not have a wheel; so I can't address your specific situation. But as to your more general question about hardware support, I doubt that Debian in particular or Linux in general intentionally dropped support for PS/2 mice with wheels. It's more likely a bug. The problem is usually that the people who write or maintain the code don't have the necessary hardware to test it themselves. Would that be HAL, Xorg, or ? developers? 'cause if it's lack of appropriate hardware that's causing the problem - PS/2 mice is just the kind of hardware I'd be happy to donate! :-) Most people seems to have no issues with PS/2 mice, just my Trekker seems to have an issue. snipped PS/2 wheel mice are the only mice I use and all currently releases of Debian for the i386 support them by default. With amd64 I have tried with Squeeze. The only laptops I've installed to are running Squeeze. That's as a three-button mouse with a scrolling wheel. The only problems I've seen with PS/2 mice and Linux in recent years have come from:- ;using mice that require drivers in Windoof (for basic functionality) - there's a Korean or Chinese mouse I've come across a couple of times (CMPsomething?) - throw in bin to fix ;(most common lately, espec. Dell) laptops with touchpads - disable touchpad ;laptops with a mouse hanging off a Y connector - don't use Y connector ;devices with touch screens - I have no idea how to fix ;BIOS has PlugNPray turned off or problematic IRQ settings - turn on PNP I've put the appropriate xorg.conf section in another post - it might be worth a try, though I'd be more interested in seeing the halinfo and dmesg first... eg:- dmesg | grep -i ps/2 [0.679471] PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f03:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 [0.682717] mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [4.381405] input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input4 lshal | grep -i ps/2 info.product = 'Microsoft PS/2-style Mouse' (string) pnp.description = 'Microsoft PS/2-style Mouse' (string) info.product = 'IBM Enhanced (101/102-key, PS/2 mouse support)' (string) pnp.description = 'IBM Enhanced (101/102-key, PS/2 mouse support)' (string) info.product = 'ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse' (string) input.product = 'ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse' (string) Cheers -- Tuttle? His name's Buttle. There must be some mistake. Mistake? [Chuckles] We don't make mistakes. At the moment I need to test my new RME audio card, hence solving the mouse issue is delayed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307618984.3190.97.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net writes: Hi :) when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's the same. It might help to specify which protocol the mouse uses in your xorg.conf. IIRC, there´s some program to check out your mouse; unfortunately, I forgot how it´s called. Perhaps you can find out what protocol is used by looking at the X11 logfile. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcwe99fp@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Wednesday 08 June 2011 00:37:05 Ron Johnson wrote: You *like* ball mice? Yes - I find the extra traction far better. I have difficulty controlling a laser mouse because there is virtually no traction. I am slightly handicapped, so YMMV. Four little rubber feet on the bottom of the mouse give adequate friction against the mouse pad. IMO, of course. I did say YMMV As I say, I personally find the traction inadequate with optical mice. I can easily deduce that most people like them! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106081006.36664.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:05:30 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: ... Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new? I use a PS/2 mouse with Debian, but it does not have a wheel; so I can't address your specific situation. But as to your more general question about hardware support, I doubt that Debian in particular or Linux in general intentionally dropped support for PS/2 mice with wheels. It's more likely a bug. The problem is usually that the people who write or maintain the code don't have the necessary hardware to test it themselves. As an example, the fairly recent (relative to how long we've had an X server) switch to Kernel Mode Setting seems to have broken support for interlaced video modes. It couldn't possibly have been tested. But testing an interlaced video mode requires a video card / monitor combination that supports it. Most flat-screen monitors don't support interlaced video modes. You just about have to have a CRT monitor to use interlaced video modes. Apparently the developers don't have one. Code to support interlaced video modes is there. But it doesn't work. Anyone who even attempted to test it would have found that out. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/552547774.68755.1307583947919.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi :) when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's the same. Did you choose 3-button emulation? -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dee25e5.3090...@cox.net
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 06/06/2011 09:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [snip] How should I break mouse wheel support, when I break ALSA? I try to get Not at the same time, but with *different* fiddling. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dee2620.9090...@cox.net
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:05:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: (...) I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice. I can't speak for Ubuntu, but I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. I wonder what can cause a simple PS/2 mouse to malfunction. Anything at Xorg's log? Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really could replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to get typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible and use my old PS/2 mouth again. Buy a PS/2 to USB adapter? :-) There are some dual-port models to connect your PS/2 mouse and keyboard by using just one USB port. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.07.13.23...@gmail.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 13:23 +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:05:30 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: (...) I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice. I can't speak for Ubuntu, but I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. I wonder what can cause a simple PS/2 mouse to malfunction. Anything at Xorg's log? Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really could replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to get typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible and use my old PS/2 mouth again. Buy a PS/2 to USB adapter? :-) There are some dual-port models to connect your PS/2 mouse and keyboard by using just one USB port. Seems to be the most comfortable solution, fortunately no USB is sharing IRQ with my pro audio sound devices ;). So for me it could be an advantage, by getting rid of a PS/2 IRQ, it's said, that it should be possible by the BIOS. The IRQ doesn't cause issues, but anyway, the less, the better. Some people's professional audio devices share IRQs with USB and AFAIK that's the more worse, the more USB is used. Cheers! Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307456074.2408.63.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201106071837.59642.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! You *like* ball mice? -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dee62bf.7070...@cox.net
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! You *like* ball mice? Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll say more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.07.17.52...@gmail.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 07/06/11 01:52 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! You *like* ball mice? Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll say more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-) Greetings, Off topic but I picked up a Logitech M515 last weekend to give it a whirl. USB wireless* mouse with sealed bottom and moves cursor if you hold it properly. I do have a roller ball Logitech mouse on another machine. It wouldn't take a second if had to change it with an optical or more recently a laser mouse. KS. * no serious sluggishness due to wireless -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dee6b01.5040...@fastmail.fm
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 17:52 +, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! You *like* ball mice? Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll say more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-) My PS/2 mouse has a ball too :) and I'm a dino myself. The ball is the only thing I'm not missing for the new USB mouse, anything else is bad for this elCheapo USB mouse, but at least at the supermarket the cheapest mouse, was the most ergonomically. I did open each packaging, excepted of blisters, to test the mice, regarding to ergonomic. Unfortunately without information about DPI and special effects. It's still not really ergonomically and I don't wish to have a 'pocket lamp mouse wheel' or loud button-click-noise. OTOH, the new mouse's buttons have a better debouncing. OT: I'm happy that still simple passive video cards are available. I guess the major issue with computers is, that most people don't use the computer as a tool, but as a toy. The more folderol a toy has, the better, but for a tool folderol IMO is annoying. -- Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307471581.2177.100.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 14:16 -0400, KS wrote: On 07/06/11 01:52 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:41:19 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! You *like* ball mice? Mine also have such dinosaurian piece of hardware ball... and I'll say more, it's manufactured from Microsoft (IntelliMouse 1.3A) O:-) Greetings, Off topic but I picked up a Logitech M515 last weekend to give it a whirl. USB wireless* mouse with sealed bottom and moves cursor if you hold it properly. I do have a roller ball Logitech mouse on another machine. It wouldn't take a second if had to change it with an optical or more recently a laser mouse. KS. * no serious sluggishness due to wireless I guess wireless won't cause troubles for AF signals, but anyway I will avoid wireless, because I won't do bodybuilding and I won't a battery dieing, while I'm doing an audio production. Cable usually never gets broken here. I only had to solder mouse-cables, when I got old, secondhand mice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307472250.2177.106.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 18:41:19 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! You *like* ball mice? Yes - I find the extra traction far better. I have difficulty controlling a laser mouse because there is virtually no traction. I am slightly handicapped, so YMMV. And I have never actually *needed* to clean it, I just do it, rarely, to show willing. I clean the top of the mouse more often, as soon as it gets in any way marked or dirty - and that too is still pretty rarely. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110608.22423.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 06/07/2011 06:00 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 18:41:19 Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! You *like* ball mice? Yes - I find the extra traction far better. I have difficulty controlling a laser mouse because there is virtually no traction. I am slightly handicapped, so YMMV. Four little rubber feet on the bottom of the mouse give adequate friction against the mouse pad. IMO, of course. And I have never actually *needed* to clean it, I just do it, rarely, to show willing. Ah. I had to clean mine quite often. I clean the top of the mouse more often, as soon as it gets in any way marked or dirty - and that too is still pretty rarely. Black is a very useful color... -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4deeb621.6020...@cox.net
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
YES! I keep a supply of recycled PS2 mice on hand. I make my mouse ergonomic with strategically placed adhesive-backed, dense caulk strips. Those fancy ergonomic monstrosities drive me nuts! Ditto laser mice. --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: From: Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net Subject: Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 12:41 PM On 06/07/2011 12:37 PM, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! You *like* ball mice? -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4dee62bf.7070...@cox.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/547165.96454...@web59509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 08/06/11 03:37, Lisi wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 14:23:19 Camaleón wrote: I'm using a PS/2 mouse with Debian and works very well. +1 Moreover, it has a ball not a light. I dread the day it dies!! Lisi +1 Ball mice never die! (they just lose their balls, seriously) Cottonwool bud and a screwdriver is all you need ;-p I only use PS/2 mice (preferably Optical) *and* keyboards with Debian. Saves power for the USB devices, makes use of the existing PS/2 ports, co-operates with BIOS, PXE boot, and KVMs. It's often difficult to purchase PS/2 input devices as they retail for the same price as the USB devices, but wholesale at more. I generally find retailers who stock PS/2 mice and keyboards also stock other quality components and have better prices too. Genius make a nice PS/2 Optical Wheel Mouse (XScroll), and Logitech make a nice PS/2 keyboard (K100). There are other models and brands - but those are cheap, reliable, and relatively easy to source. Cheers Tuttle? His name's Buttle. There must be some mistake. Mistake? [Chuckles] We don't make mistakes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4deece96.8010...@gmail.com
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 07/06/11 02:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I guess wireless won't cause troubles for AF signals, but anyway I will avoid wireless, because I won't do bodybuilding and I won't a battery dieing, while I'm doing an audio production. Cable usually never gets broken here. I only had to solder mouse-cables, when I got old, secondhand mice. I wasn't a fan of wireless mice either since I picked up a M510 last year. I'm still using the original batteries that it came with for a little more than an year. I use it every day and have not bothered to use the On/Off switch at the bottom to increase the battery life. As far as radio interference is concerened: I have a 2.4 GHz telephone, 802.11g network(several because of neighbours), wireless Microsoft mouse (yes, it sucks!) and a huge digital TV antenna. None of them cause any noticeable interference. Their weight is one reason I like them as the modern wired USB laser mouse are quite flimsy (if you are going for the $20 ones and not for gaming mice). The M510 and M515 give a good feeling of being a mouse (as heavy as a 15yr old Microsoft mouse with three buttons). Don't bother about soldering, ask on the list and I'm sure you will get a bunch of offer to send you wired mice with dirty balls ;) Toodloo KS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4deee00d.7080...@fastmail.fm
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi :) when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's the same. [snip] Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are we supposed to help you? Cheesr! Bah!!! Ralf PS: While for Ubuntu Maverick the Internet is still very fast by my PPPoE connection, for Ubuntu Natty, Debian stable and testing it is in hardcore slow motion, sometimes I get timeouts. Older Ubuntu and Debian installs were ok for the Mouse and Internet. I only kept old Suse 11.2 and there still everything is ok (regarding to performance Suse always was less good than Debian, but now even Suse is better). Not to mention the issues with X and monitors. Does Debian drop valid hardware, that isn't brand new? Yes. Abso-fscking-lutely -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ded602a.4050...@cox.net
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are we supposed to help you? Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307406800.13794.2.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are we supposed to help you? Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A Is that a MS two-button mouse? -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ded7c5e.4050...@cox.net
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 06/06/2011 07:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi :) when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's the same. I replaced the mouse with an USB mouse and the mouse wheel seems to work all the time, tested with Debian testing only. I didn't reboot very often, just one or two times, but for the PS/2 mouse it never happened, that randomly the mouse wheel did work for two consecutive sessions. I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice. Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really could replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to get typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible and use my old PS/2 mouth again. Cheesr! Ralf There are a whole slew of ps2 to usb adapters on the internet. Be careful that the one you get is for a mouse, not a keyboard. And in my experience, not all combinations of mouse/adapter/computer work, but with some futzing (maybe also try different usb ports?) you may be in luck. ymmv! --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ded8000.6010...@optonline.net
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are we supposed to help you? Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A Is that a MS two-button mouse? The Wheel can be used as button too. Microsoft? I dunno, at least there's no Microsoft logo or name written on the mouse. Knowingly I never owned anything from Microsoft, but the mouse is second-hand, perhaps it's a Microsoft mouse. It worked for 64 Studio/Debian Etch and Lenny. It's not broken, it still works with an old Suse install. -- Ralf PS: Until now completely no issues for the USB mouse. FWIW the mouse wheel for the PS/2 mouse already was broken for the clean Debian stable install. It isn't related to self-build kernels etc.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307411579.2266.45.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 21:33 -0400, Doug wrote: On 06/06/2011 07:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi :) when using a PS/2 mouse with stable or testing the mouse wheel very seldom does work, usually it doesn't. For Ubuntu Maverick and Natty it's the same. I replaced the mouse with an USB mouse and the mouse wheel seems to work all the time, tested with Debian testing only. I didn't reboot very often, just one or two times, but for the PS/2 mouse it never happened, that randomly the mouse wheel did work for two consecutive sessions. I guess Debian and Ubuntu only have issues with PS/2 mice. Is there a way to fix this? I tried to get a USB mouse that really could replace my PS/2 mouse, but all modern mice seems to be made to get typist's cramps. So I'll get rid of my new USB mouse if possible and use my old PS/2 mouth again. Cheesr! Ralf There are a whole slew of ps2 to usb adapters on the internet. Be careful that the one you get is for a mouse, not a keyboard. And in my experience, not all combinations of mouse/adapter/computer work, but with some futzing (maybe also try different usb ports?) you may be in luck. ymmv! --doug That's a good idea, thank you. Anyway a pity that something that worked for years, now is dropped. -- Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307411857.2266.48.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On 06/06/2011 08:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are we supposed to help you? Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A Is that a MS two-button mouse? The Wheel can be used as button too. Microsoft? I dunno, at least there's no Microsoft logo or name written on the mouse. Knowingly I never owned anything from Microsoft, but the mouse is second-hand, perhaps it's a Microsoft mouse. Don't knock it. They make *great* optical mice. It worked for 64 Studio/Debian Etch and Lenny. It's not broken, it still works with an old Suse install. Does /dev/psaux exist? Do you boot into [xkg]dm or the console? Is gpm installed? -- Ralf PS: Until now completely no issues for the USB mouse. FWIW the mouse wheel for the PS/2 mouse already was broken for the clean Debian stable install. It isn't related to self-build kernels etc.. There are enough people still using PS/2 mice that the Debian-install people wouldn't take out the PS/2 driver. Since you eviscerated ALSA, I wouldn't be surprised if you screwed up something regarding the mouse, too. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ded8b9c.5020...@cox.net
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 21:23 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 08:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are we supposed to help you? Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A Is that a MS two-button mouse? The Wheel can be used as button too. Microsoft? I dunno, at least there's no Microsoft logo or name written on the mouse. Knowingly I never owned anything from Microsoft, but the mouse is second-hand, perhaps it's a Microsoft mouse. Don't knock it. They make *great* optical mice. It worked for 64 Studio/Debian Etch and Lenny. It's not broken, it still works with an old Suse install. Does /dev/psaux exist? Do you boot into [xkg]dm or the console? Is gpm installed? -- Ralf PS: Until now completely no issues for the USB mouse. FWIW the mouse wheel for the PS/2 mouse already was broken for the clean Debian stable install. It isn't related to self-build kernels etc.. There are enough people still using PS/2 mice that the Debian-install people wouldn't take out the PS/2 driver. Since you eviscerated ALSA, I wouldn't be surprised if you screwed up something regarding the mouse, too. I'll take a look at /dev/psaux etc. later. No, I didn't break my system. As mentioned before, for Debian stable, Debian testing, Ubuntu Maverick and Ubuntu Natty the mouse wheel doesn't work for the clean installs. How should I break mouse wheel support, when I break ALSA? I try to get rid of Debian's outdated version, because I need the current version. FWIW I'm making backups before I do such editing, anyway, even if I should have broken everything now, the mouse wheel never worked before. Thank you :) Ralf PS: I'll take a look at Microsoft mice too. But if possible I would prefer not to support Microsoft and Apple. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307414926.2266.87.camel@debian
Re: PS/2 mouse vs USB mouse
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 21:23 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 08:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 07:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 18:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/06/2011 06:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Since you didn't tell us what kind of PS/2 mouse, how in Eris' name are we supposed to help you? Trekker Wheel Mouse 2.0A Is that a MS two-button mouse? The Wheel can be used as button too. Microsoft? I dunno, at least there's no Microsoft logo or name written on the mouse. Knowingly I never owned anything from Microsoft, but the mouse is second-hand, perhaps it's a Microsoft mouse. Don't knock it. They make *great* optical mice. It worked for 64 Studio/Debian Etch and Lenny. It's not broken, it still works with an old Suse install. Does /dev/psaux exist? Do you boot into [xkg]dm or the console? Is gpm installed? Before I go to sleep. GDM I'm using a xorg.conf and tested it with and without mouse setings and the xorg-mouse'n'keyboard-packages installed, I also edited, i guess it was HAL?! ... I need to report later, I'm half asleep. root@debian:/home/spinymouse# ls /dev/p* /dev/parport0 /dev/port /dev/ppp /dev/psaux /dev/ptmx /dev/pts: 0 ptmx -- Ralf -- Ralf PS: Until now completely no issues for the USB mouse. FWIW the mouse wheel for the PS/2 mouse already was broken for the clean Debian stable install. It isn't related to self-build kernels etc.. There are enough people still using PS/2 mice that the Debian-install people wouldn't take out the PS/2 driver. Since you eviscerated ALSA, I wouldn't be surprised if you screwed up something regarding the mouse, too. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307415347.2266.91.camel@debian
