Re: Python chess
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: but it could be grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards, and similar things. Then I fail to see the problem unless he is unaware that Python can call a C compiled lib and for computationally intensive tasks the author is encouraged to do just that. I fail to see when that is taken into account that Python is unsuited to the task. Written in C and called by Python is not the same as Written in Python - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7pzFS9HxQb37XmcRArLyAKC2hlrv74IjHs7GdXE5wBp/tpa7lACg0Jtv AgEFwCLqLLqR7xnPNjiivio= =hze4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python chess
2006/8/25, Katipo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paolo Pantaleo wrote: Well Python is not a good language for writing a chess engine (even if a chess engine exists: http://www.kolumbus.fi/jyrki.alakuijala/pychess.html), but it could be grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards, and similar things. I foudn out a library for these things (http://www.alcyone.com/software/chess/). Does anyone konw about more chess related modules? What are you trying to do, exactly? Your last post seemed to be an enquiry toward the manufacture of chess boards. Now you are talking about engines and the generalised subject of 'chess-related modules'. If you are not interested in the conversation you must not read it. Since Tobiah asked why Python is not good for writing a chess engine I aswered him. If you don't know what you are specifically looking for, nobody here can help you to find it, and you would be far better off going to the debian onsite package search, and type in 'chess'. I am looking for Python modules that can draw boards and handle the data to represent a board and a game. I don't think this is so vague. Maybe this is not the right list for asking a so Python specific subjext and I am sorry for that PAolo Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- if you have a minute to spend please visit my photogrphy site: http://mypic.co.nr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python chess
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paolo Pantaleo wrote: Well Python is not a good language for writing a chess engine (even if a chess engine exists: http://www.kolumbus.fi/jyrki.alakuijala/pychess.html), but it could be Maybe NumPy would speed things up? grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards, and similar things. I foudn out a library for these things (http://www.alcyone.com/software/chess/). Does anyone konw about more chess related modules? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7YuHS9HxQb37XmcRAu01AKCbfE7EcbdRIdYt1bVIivOBwVTaeACg2xKR mMnFTkeWYGPBT7cPVrqBraY= =g05y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python chess
Paolo Pantaleo wrote: Well Python is not a good language for writing a chess engine (even if a chess engine exists: Uh... why? I mean that's a pretty definite statement to throw out without an explanation. For those who are fond of the language, such as myself, we're left with extreme curiosity as to why you feel that way. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Python chess
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: Paolo Pantaleo wrote: Well Python is not a good language for writing a chess engine (even if a chess engine exists: Uh... why? I mean that's a pretty definite statement to throw out without an explanation. For those who are fond of the language, such as myself, we're left with extreme curiosity as to why you feel that way. The 1st link in his email describes how when a python chess player was (mechanically) converted to C++, the resulting app ran 10x faster. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7bS8S9HxQb37XmcRAhWxAKDOgzJg4bWhn8W66F5G6gDcnRh3agCghMv+ xMs5/+ckCIHgCPNmjZGBFxE= =N5K6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python chess
2006/8/24, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: Paolo Pantaleo wrote: Well Python is not a good language for writing a chess engine (even if a chess engine exists: Uh... why? I mean that's a pretty definite statement to throw out without an explanation. For those who are fond of the language, such as myself, we're left with extreme curiosity as to why you feel that way. The 1st link in his email describes how when a python chess player was (mechanically) converted to C++, the resulting app ran 10x faster. That's it, compiled languages are fastar than interperted ones. (providing they are both well written...). The only thing that a chess engine must do is to spend his time computing (with the better algorithm possible). You can do much more computation in the same time with C. Usually chess engines are written with recursive functions (even if any recursive code ca be translated in a itaritive implementation) that are called hundred of thousands of times (in a second), and I read that Python is relativley slow in function calling. PAolo - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7bS8S9HxQb37XmcRAhWxAKDOgzJg4bWhn8W66F5G6gDcnRh3agCghMv+ xMs5/+ckCIHgCPNmjZGBFxE= =N5K6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- if you have a minute to spend please visit my photogrphy site: http://mypic.co.nr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python chess
Paolo Pantaleo wrote: Well Python is not a good language for writing a chess engine (even if a chess engine exists: http://www.kolumbus.fi/jyrki.alakuijala/pychess.html), but it could be grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards, and similar things. I foudn out a library for these things (http://www.alcyone.com/software/chess/). Does anyone konw about more chess related modules? What are you trying to do, exactly? Your last post seemed to be an enquiry toward the manufacture of chess boards. Now you are talking about engines and the generalised subject of 'chess-related modules'. If you don't know what you are specifically looking for, nobody here can help you to find it, and you would be far better off going to the debian onsite package search, and type in 'chess'. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python chess
Paolo Pantaleo wrote: 2006/8/24, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The 1st link in his email describes how when a python chess player was (mechanically) converted to C++, the resulting app ran 10x faster. That's it, compiled languages are fastar than interperted ones. This is true. However in modern computing most programs are sitting idle so scripted languages are not as ill-suited as they once were. Furthermore, in the case of Python, they readily admit that there are some things that a scripting language is poor for and, when those things are identified, it is encouraged to the author to port the slow code to a far faster compiled version which is called from within Python. In doing this one retains the speed of development that Python offers as well as the speed of execution that a compiled language offers. IE, code the 90-95% of the idle intensive stuff in Python, optimize the 5% intensive in C/C++. So, strictly speaking, Python is not ill-suited if one follows the advice of Python's own advocates. :) Write the interface in Python and have it call the engine written in C. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Python chess
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: Paolo Pantaleo wrote: 2006/8/24, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The 1st link in his email describes how when a python chess player was (mechanically) converted to C++, the resulting app ran 10x faster. That's it, compiled languages are fastar than interperted ones. This is true. However in modern computing most programs are sitting idle so scripted languages are not as ill-suited as they once were. Furthermore, [snip] a compiled language offers. IE, code the 90-95% of the idle intensive stuff in Python, optimize the 5% intensive in C/C++. So, strictly speaking, Python is not ill-suited if one follows the advice of Python's own advocates. :) Write the interface in Python and have it call the engine written in C. You need to re-read the OP: but it could be grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards, and similar things. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is common sense really valid? For example, it is common sense to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that common sense is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE7lrdS9HxQb37XmcRAlXPAJ9ft9XBm3TaC/rNz8BhUZQZJqLLbwCfYeE3 pUGiPpuNA1IRK3ks3bPaAPM= =A7+y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python chess
Ron Johnson wrote: but it could be grat for chess interfaces, for drawing boards, and similar things. Then I fail to see the problem unless he is unaware that Python can call a C compiled lib and for computationally intensive tasks the author is encouraged to do just that. I fail to see when that is taken into account that Python is unsuited to the task. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
