Re: Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 2:11 AM Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > Again ignoring your more non-constructive complaints… > > TL;DR: Try USB networking like by plugging in your phone or a USB > ethernet/wifi dongle. > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 07:39:20PM +, Richard Smith wrote: > > The only place I found that had the driver required me to install > > more content from online (which I can't access, due to the laptop > > not having an Ethernet port, as well as no wireless). > > It is not unusual for computers (especially laptops) with newer > hardware to not have needed drivers contained in the distro kernel. > It's worth thinking about how you will handle that before you buy > it. > > One valid strategy for handling that is, "I will consider just using > Ubuntu, or Fedora, or whatever, and only buy hardware that works in > those distributions." > > Assuming you want to continue with a distribution that doesn't > ship a kernel that supports your wifi, and you need to get files > onto the computer, you will have to get a bit more creative. > > As mentioned in the other thread, I have a laptop that has such a > wifi card. I solved the problem of no initial networking by plugging > a USB cable from my phone to the laptop. NetworkManager then offered > to use it as a USB network connection without me having to configure > anything at all. It was a one click temporary solution to getting > the wifi driver DKMS and everything needed to compile it. > > Other possibilities off the top of my head: > > - USB ethernet dongle > > - USB wifi dongle with a supported chipset > I got burned on my last Laptop Upgrade. No WiFi, basic GPU etc. I upgraded to Debian testing to get the latest drivers and all was good. I upgraded straight through testing to Bookworm stable-new. It sounds like you may want to do the same thing with Trixie. I bought one of these, a little pricey but having it on hand to get my system up and running was worth every penny. It is not the latest and greatest but it runs on all free firmware! https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb > - File transfer by USB > > I'm sure you and others can think of more. > > > I am spending WAY too much time installing this - with very little > > to show for it! > > Don't use it then. Non-actionable complaints are difficult to > address in a volunteer project and it's totally fine for you to use > something else. There are certainly things I do not use Debian (or > Linux in general) for that while they would be technically possible, > are just "way too much time" for me to consider worth it. The answer > isn't for me to drop my complaints at Linux's door. > > Thanks, > Andy > > -- > https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
Hi, Again ignoring your more non-constructive complaints… TL;DR: Try USB networking like by plugging in your phone or a USB ethernet/wifi dongle. On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 07:39:20PM +, Richard Smith wrote: > The only place I found that had the driver required me to install > more content from online (which I can't access, due to the laptop > not having an Ethernet port, as well as no wireless). It is not unusual for computers (especially laptops) with newer hardware to not have needed drivers contained in the distro kernel. It's worth thinking about how you will handle that before you buy it. One valid strategy for handling that is, "I will consider just using Ubuntu, or Fedora, or whatever, and only buy hardware that works in those distributions." Assuming you want to continue with a distribution that doesn't ship a kernel that supports your wifi, and you need to get files onto the computer, you will have to get a bit more creative. As mentioned in the other thread, I have a laptop that has such a wifi card. I solved the problem of no initial networking by plugging a USB cable from my phone to the laptop. NetworkManager then offered to use it as a USB network connection without me having to configure anything at all. It was a one click temporary solution to getting the wifi driver DKMS and everything needed to compile it. Other possibilities off the top of my head: - USB ethernet dongle - USB wifi dongle with a supported chipset - File transfer by USB I'm sure you and others can think of more. > I am spending WAY too much time installing this - with very little > to show for it! Don't use it then. Non-actionable complaints are difficult to address in a volunteer project and it's totally fine for you to use something else. There are certainly things I do not use Debian (or Linux in general) for that while they would be technically possible, are just "way too much time" for me to consider worth it. The answer isn't for me to drop my complaints at Linux's door. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
Hi, On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 12:21:28PM +, Richard Smith wrote: > I find the issue with Debian weird, as I was able to use this same computer > (Lenovo IdeaPad I7, with a Realtek b52 controller) with Ubuntu, Kali, and > Tails, without an issue! > > I hear that Debian is awesome when it comes to stability - but after spending > over 8 hours trying to install it to my laptop, I'm beginning to question > what constitutes as "awesome" in some people's eyes... Your opinion piece is best posted to your blog as it won't help you get assistance in a Debian support venue. > I'm trying to learn about how to compile a driver (if I can find > one for Debian 12) - if anyone can assist, that would be great! I have a laptop with an RTL8852be which runs Debian 12. I had to install a DKMS module to get support for it. I reported this to debian-kernel here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2023/03/msg00275.html that link also contains a link to the github repository for the DKMS that I successfully use. If that driver is for your hardware, I suggest you try that and report back any issues. It works fine for me and my only complaint is that it is a DKMS. Or continue using a distro kernel that has the driver built in. As the thread linked above covers, given that upstream kernel does have the rtw89_8852be driver in it, it will eventually come to Debian, though possibly in a bookworm-backports kernel untilDebian 13 (trixie) is released. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
Re: Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
I'm currently wrestling with Debian 12 for my Lenovo IdeaPad 7 laptop - after having the NIC function swimmingly with Ubuntu, Kali, LMDE, and Tails. Not only is wireless not seen - but it seems that the functionality of the DVD version leaves a LOT to be desired. The only place I found that had the driver required me to install more content from online (which I can't access, due to the laptop not having an Ethernet port, as well as no wireless). When one couples the above with the Debian site being horrible organized (seriously: it gives me the impression that people don't want you to use Debian), I cant help but think: for all of this talk about Debian being awesome, I am spending WAY too much time installing this - with very little to show for it! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
On Sat 25 Nov 2023 at 12:21:28 (+), Richard Smith wrote: > Testing access to the message. > > I find the issue with Debian weird, as I was able to use this same computer > (Lenovo IdeaPad I7, with a Realtek b52 controller) with Ubuntu, Kali, and > Tails, without an issue! In ubuntu, cat /proc/modules would tell you the modules loaded, and dmesg | grep firmware would tell you the firmware required. > I hear that Debian is awesome when it comes to stability - but after spending > over 8 hours trying to install it to my laptop, I'm beginning to question > what constitutes as "awesome" in some people's eyes... > > I'm trying to learn about how to compile a driver (if I can find one for > Debian 12) - if anyone can assist, that would be great! Is this an X-Y problem, and you don't really want to compile one, but just find it. Cheers, David.
Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 12:21:28 + Richard Smith wrote: > I find the issue with Debian weird, as I was able to use this same > computer (Lenovo IdeaPad I7, with a Realtek b52 controller) with > Ubuntu, Kali, and Tails, without an issue! What exactly is your problem? Please show error messages, and also run lspci or lsusb as appropriate and show us the result. I searched thinkwiki (https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki) for "IdeaPad I7" and got nothing. "RTL8852" is not sufficient to identify which firmware package you need. root@tsalmoth:~# apt show firmware-realtek | grep -i RTL8852 WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts. * Realtek RTL8852AU Bluetooth config (rtl_bt/rtl8852au_config.bin) * Realtek RTL8852AU Bluetooth firmware (rtl_bt/rtl8852au_fw.bin) * Realtek RTL8852BU Bluetooth config (rtl_bt/rtl8852bu_config.bin) * Realtek RTL8852BU Bluetooth firmware (rtl_bt/rtl8852bu_fw.bin) * Realtek RTL8852CU Bluetooth config (rtl_bt/rtl8852cu_config.bin) * Realtek RTL8852CU Bluetooth firmware (rtl_bt/rtl8852cu_fw.bin) * Realtek RTL8852A firmware, version v0.9.12.2 (rtw89/rtw8852a_fw.bin) * Realtek RTL8852B firmware, version v0.27.32.1 * Realtek RTL8852C firmware, version v0.27.56.10 root@tsalmoth:~# Running lspci should give you the exact designation of the device you have, possibly something similar to this: root@hawk:~# lspci | grep -i realtek 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 11) root@hawk:~# Please run an appropriate command, then copy and paste into your reply email, including leading and trailing shell prompts. You might run the same command(s) under one of the Linux distributions that does work, and show us those results as well. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
Testing access to the message. I find the issue with Debian weird, as I was able to use this same computer (Lenovo IdeaPad I7, with a Realtek b52 controller) with Ubuntu, Kali, and Tails, without an issue! I hear that Debian is awesome when it comes to stability - but after spending over 8 hours trying to install it to my laptop, I'm beginning to question what constitutes as "awesome" in some people's eyes... I'm trying to learn about how to compile a driver (if I can find one for Debian 12) - if anyone can assist, that would be great! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 18:27:42 -0400 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > I haven't found rtl8852 in the mainstream kernel. > But I've found it on github > https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 > And it seems to have a debian package build file. > So possibly someone already packaged it for Debian. I have not checked for the kernel. I believe the realtek firmware package supports it on Debian 11 (Bullseye), not on 10 (Buster). root@grissom:~# apt-cache show firmware-realtek | grep 8852 * Realtek RTL8852AU Bluetooth config (rtl_bt/rtl8852au_config.bin) * Realtek RTL8852AU Bluetooth firmware (rtl_bt/rtl8852au_fw.bin) * Realtek RTL8852A firmware, version v0.9.12.2 (rtw89/rtw8852a_fw.bin) root@grissom:~# -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/ pgpBfZe1aZQK1.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
Hi, On 2021-08-19 3:26 p.m., Intense Red wrote: >This is for a new consumer-grade HP laptop which seems to be (according to > Windows) running a Realtek 8852 wireless connection (no standard Ethernet jack > on this laptop). > >Debian 11 doesn't seem to detect the wireless NIC. > >Does anyone know what driver is used for this? > I haven't found rtl8852 in the mainstream kernel. But I've found it on github https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 And it seems to have a debian package build file. So possibly someone already packaged it for Debian. -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11
Hi, On 2021-08-19 3:26 p.m., Intense Red wrote: >This is for a new consumer-grade HP laptop which seems to be (according to > Windows) running a Realtek 8852 wireless connection (no standard Ethernet > jack > on this laptop). > >Debian 11 doesn't seem to detect the wireless NIC. > Have you tried using the install CD with the firmware ? Or simply installing *firmware-realtek* in the non-free repository ? https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware If your wifi card is supported ? https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers >Does anyone know what driver is used for this? > Driver is rtl8852 and you need *firmware-realtek* -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature
